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    The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...

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    Mr Rando, you seem to take great pleasure in the wet dream of your own, that you will see people suffer as they die.

    There is no mention above of the destruction of Babylon the Great, the removal of wicked governments or other in 'power' and no mention of the removal of the devil and his demons. 

    You just seem to thrive on the idea of NON JWs suffering and dying. 

    That idea is so very old school JW / Watchtower. It comes back to that old idea that only baptised JWs will be 'saved'. 

    I really don't see anyone beating themselves with grief just because JWs have been conned into believing that old 1914 propaganda. 

    After all any one with common Bible knowledge KNOWS that Yeshua had ALL AUTHORITY in Heaven and on Earth from 33 C. E. ... Unless you intend to call Yeshua a liar Mr Rando. 

    But do you really think that Yeshua / Jesus wants to watch all the wicked die, OR, is it just YOU that wants to watch people die ?  

    I would have thought that Yeshua would just simply remove all the wicked ones, or at least kill them all at one time. 

    I suppose in your wet dream that you have, you can see angels protecting the JWs whilst the wicked are still here on Earth. After all if JWs are going to be getting younger and watching the NON JWs die, what stops the NON JWs attacking the JWs ? 

    But I'm sure you have it all worked out in your dreams Rambo.

    And @Thinking upvotes that wonderful idea of yours about watching people suffer and die. 

    There is more wicked thinking inside the JW Org than by Ex JWs it seems. 

     

    Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

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    2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    But it that case you ought be smart enough not to comment at all, since whatever you have you think leads to death.

    My sins are many and i see no reason why Yeshua should chose to give me life. However that does not stop me from wanting to warn others about the Watchtower and JW Org. I have a love for people that I feel deserve love.  I do not feel that JWs deserve love. However i do know that I should freely forgive anyone that 'sins' against me. It's all about balance and about not being puffed up with self pride. (Which is the oppposite of what you said about me) 

    Whereas your GB, whom call themselves the F&DS, presume they already have a place set up in heaven for themselves.  Wow, such boastfulness comes before a fall. 

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    3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    As much as I think PSomH is a dodo, I will acknowledge that he retains a respect for God. Indeed, the problem is that he has become so ‘holy’ that he thinks nobody else does.

    This totally contradicts my posts where I have stated that in my own opinion I WILL NOT be in that New world. 

    4 hours ago, Arauna said:

    They went through the tests after 1914 to 1919 in fulfillment of bible prophecy - also in 2nd world war - and they have done the work Jehovah gave them - they themselves, as well as WE know they are the slave. 

    Many Anointed ones went through all that but only to be told that that are no longer considered to be of the F&DS. 

    The truth is that the GB tell you they are the F&DS and you believe them, although there is NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER, but because you worship them and not YHWH, you will believe those 8 men. Even though they twisted scripture such as the Romans 'superior authority', scripture, but you still serve them. 

    4 hours ago, Arauna said:

    They are NOT preaching any misleading political message. 

    They were preaching that only JWs would be saved and that a person HAD TO BE A BAPTISED JW TO GET SAVED. 

    Now that may not be political but it has NO true foundation and it was only used to frighten people into the Org.

    Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

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    4 hours ago, Arauna said:

    It is a question directed at me and you. I recognize them to give me food at the proper time and I am happy in doing so! . 

    But it wasn't you or me that made them the F&DS, it was them, THEMSELVES that decided they were. They exalted themselves above all the other Anointed ones. They called them selves the F&DS. 

    4 hours ago, Arauna said:

    You have not said what is the lie..

    The lies are many. They say they are the F&DS. That is a lie.  They say that other Anointed are NOT of the F&DS. Now you tell me what gives your GB the right to make that statement ? That proves they have exalted themselves above all other people on this Earth. 

    4 hours ago, Arauna said:

    So once again please identify the "slave" that is doing all these tasks on a world-wide basis. 

    I do not believe there is a F&DS at this time.  I do not believe there is one 'organisation' or 'religion' that is serving YHWH properly through Yeshua at this time. I think there are people as individuals that are doing their best to serve YHWH to the best of their ability right now though, but not as an organisation or structured religion. 

    4 hours ago, Arauna said:

    then please also provide information which "slave is providing food world-wide to keep all Jehovahs people abreast with information on how to preach and teach (our main commission" ) and arrange meetings to build us up.  

    The Governing Body of the JW Org dictates how JWs do the work of the GB. That GB not only dictates how to 'preach' but WHAT EXACTLY to 'preach'. In other words JWs are just slaves of the GB. JWs are told to hand out propaganda written by the GB or authorised by the GB. Now if you stand at a cart just to give out the written words of the GB that makes you a servant of the GB not a servant of YHWH. But of course you do not want to understand that.....

    If the GB wanted YHWH's word distributed they would have JWs handing out Bibles freely, not Watchtowers or Awake mags or tracts which are not from YHWH. 

    VISITING OLD OR SICK ONES THAT YOU KNOW, IN THE CONGREGATION OR NOT.

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    Some news has just come to me about a JW man (whom I would have once called a brother) that I spent a lot of time with, until he was told not to spend time with me. He was in his mid 80's and on lots of meds' for heart problems etc. He has died in hospital. But if the information is correct, he fell down at his home, was unable to get up, and was not discovered for some time. He was 'old', he was ill, and death happens. But if he had still been in contact with me I may have found him much sooner and he may have lived longer. 

    I'm not angry, I'm not sad, even with all his health problems, he had a good long life and kept himself happy even after his wife had died a few years before..

    What this topic is for is to ask ALL of you. If you know of someone that may be 'fragile' in any way, or may just need comfort, Please visit them. Please help them to feel safe and wanted.

     

    Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

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    8 hours ago, Pudgy said:

    In order to be a liar, you have to know that what you are telling is not true.

    Um, BUT the GB say that YHWH and Yeshua trust the GB. 

    The GB state that they ARE the Faithful and Discreet Slave distributing properfood at the right time. EVEN THOUGH THE ONE SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY USED, IS A QUESTION, NOT A DIRECT STATEMENT OF WHOM.

    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/

    9 Do all anointed ones on earth make up the faithful slave? No. The reality is  that not all anointed ones have a role in dispensing spiritual food to fellow believers worldwide. Among the wheat are anointed brothers who may serve as ministerial servants or elders in their local congregation. They teach from house to house and in their congregation, and they loyally support the direction from headquarters. But they do not have a part in dispensing spiritual food to the worldwide brotherhood. Also among the anointed are humble sisters, who would never try to assume the role of teachers in the congregation.—1 Cor. 11:3; 14:34.

    10 Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. Throughout the last days, the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave have served together at headquarters. In recent decades, that slave has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Note, however, that the word “slave” in Jesus’ illustration is singular, indicating that this is a composite slave. The decisions of the Governing Body are thus made collectively.

    ALL OF THAT WATCHTOWER ARTICLE IS PURE LIES. WHY ? BECAUSE IT HAS NO TURE FOUNDATION. 

    You cannot say that you will only speak truth from YHWH, and then speak deception.

    KINGDOM HALLS REOPEN IN UK

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    17 hours ago, Pudgy said:

    I think everyone was just stunned at the $671 cost, I know I was. Perhaps everyone else was just doing the math in their head and forgot to raise their hands either time.

    I think you've said it yourself. It's all about the money money money !!!! 

    So I presume you don't have a proper Kingdom Hall then ?  Did they sell it to get themselves more money ?  :) 

    511 GBP.  x 3 = 1533 GBP.   For just one occasion. Oh dear more donations congregants :( 

    17 hours ago, Pudgy said:

    There are officially 109 people in our congregation but I have noticed on Zoom that there is only about 35 to 45 people and it’s consistent weekend after weekend after weekend so I do the math and I thought ….. wow !

    Um, that is a lot of inactive publishers then :)..........  BUT the Org says that meeting attendance has gone up since zoom. 

    They pretend there are MORE JWs now than before 2020.  

    This is all so funny. 

    Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

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    5 hours ago, Arauna said:

    All sin = sin.  Lying is the same as reviling and adultery the same as child abuse.....  To Jehovah they are all worthy of death.  In this sense yes, all sin is the same.

    I do not believe that YHWH or Yeshua sees them as all being the same. 

    Matthew 18 : 5, 6, 7 

    And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world for the causes of sin. These stumbling blocks must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

    Now just think of how many children, earthwide, have been stumbled in the JW Org by sexual abuse of themselves or of close friends or relatives. 

    Whole families have been stumbled, or REMOVED from the Org by Elders, because of CSA.  Unless of course you believe that EVERY complaint and EVERY court case is a lie. That is what your GB would have you believe. And, that is why your GB's Lawyers settle out of court but put 'gagging oders' on people. 

    That 25 year JW Pedophile Database in the USA seems never to see the light of day.  Very strange that other 'civilised' countries have released their data info'. 

    IT IS REALLY SAD THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING THAT CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN THEIR ORGANISATION DOES NOT MATTER. 

     

    KINGDOM HALLS REOPEN IN UK

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    3 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    No, they are opening to read your announcement of why you left, after which they will close again.

    Very funny Tom. But seriously we have heard from two sources, one being an invitation to my wife.

    I might even pop in just to upset people. :) 

    Putting on the New Self

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    6 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Self-discipline helps us learn “to reject ungodliness and worldly desires and to live with soundness of mind and righteousness and godly devotion amid this present system of things.”—Titus 2:12.

    BUT it hasn't worked in the JW org. 

    6 hours ago, Dmitar said:

     Whatever it is that you do in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him.

    Teach this to your Leaders and your elders.

    6 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

    BUT the JW Org does NOT do this.  

    6 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    WHY ARE WE WISE IF WE DISCIPLINE OURSELVES?

    Yes indeed we are wise if we DISCIPLINE OURSELVES, and not let the GB or the Elders do it for us. 

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    8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    I should not have said harshest, for you are one among many. “Shrillist” is the word I was looking for, the one most given to hysteria, overstatement, and over-generalization. I wonder what you would have said about Paul, who told the Corinthians to “forgive” that fellow who had been sleeping with his father’s wife. (2 Corinthians 2:7-9)

    Are you then suggesting that Child Sexual Abuse is on the same level as adultery ? 

    Are you suggesting a Pedophile should be treated the same as an adulterer ? 

    If so then you are 'sick', and I am more than concerned for you. 

    Two consenting adults having immoral sex is of course sin, but it is not hurting children. It is also not illegal.

    Child Sexual Abuse is far worse, but it seems that you do not think so, neither does your GB or Elders or others in the JW Org.  The GB are only concerned when the 'outside of the dish looks as dirty as the inside of the dish'.  It's all about the false impression, and it seems you agree with them. . 

    8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    you would have cried on and on about how the real reasons for your departure were not publicized to your former spiritual family. Instead, they just accepted your resignation and moved on.

    They were too frightened to tell the truth about my 'departure'. To the point that one Elder told my wife on the phone, that I had been disfellowshipped. Now if he told my wife that, knowing that my wife knew all the facts, then what is that Elder telling everyone else. More lies from a wicked org.

    One point here though. The GB are obviously frightened to admit that people DO leave the org of their own choice.  After all it would not be tooooooo hard for them to say that 'John Butler has left the organisation'. 

    9 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    It also doesn’t help that you condemn the Christian organization for any expectation that did not come on time, yet put complete trust in something not even hinted at in scripture—that a True Anointed will come along at the 11th hour to save the day.

    Lets think about this for a moment. The GB and previous Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org pretend that they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave, supplying true spiritual food at the PROPER TIME. But you criticise me for pointig out the FACTS that those Leaders have told many lies and given false predictions. 

    Here is a little of my basis for The True Anointed. 

    Zechariah 8:23 

    Berean Study Bible

    This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”

     Acts 2:17 & 18 

    Berean Study Bible
    ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.Even on My menservants and maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

    Now I find that to be quite a good 'hint' from scripture. I'm sorry if you do not have such faith. 

     

    Biblical King-of-the-North (KON) and King-of-the-South (KOS), and GOG and MAGOG, too!

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    20 hours ago, Pudgy said:

    I hope it is NOT RUBBISH

    James, it IS rubbish. 

     

    On 3/17/2022 at 5:23 AM, Pudgy said:

    I see the Dmitar has engaged in another mindless spasm of down voting.

    And I thought that you might have learnt a lesson about 'fighting' with Dimmy.  You caused us all problems.

    I for one would love to have all those cartoons and other pictures bannned from this forum. 

    Biblical King-of-the-North (KON) and King-of-the-South (KOS), and GOG and MAGOG, too!

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    On 3/18/2022 at 2:09 PM, Pudgy said:

    So ….. under those silk robes with the dragons on the back and sleeves they really ARE held up by compressed helium?

    and …. and …. Inside those huge droopy sleeves they keep hamsters?

    DOG, Why do you need to add rubish to a serious topic ? Is it because you feel out of your depth ?  Are you insecure ? 

    And then SM chirps in with politics. Oh dear @JW Insider I was beginning to enjoy reading your thoughts here, not that I fully understand it all.  I have no thought of my own on these things, i admit to it all being beyond me. 

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    2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    “So you’re the one who did this!” he accuses me—after Pudgy just said it was him.

    Um, maybe you should know that there was a blip in the timing of comments being displayed, hence what i wrote was written before Pudgy's comment appeared. 

    2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    And he thanks me for the admission!

    This is probably British humour that you Yanks do not understand. If someone does something or says something negative to a British person, we tend to say 'yeh thanks'. 

     

    3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    I mean, I guess I should be happy that the harshest of JW critics reveals himself to be really really dumb, but even so….

     

    Harshest ????????? That is so funny.  I think it's just that I'm the one you dislike most ............... because I'm truthful. 

    As for being dumb. Remember though Columbo always pretended to be dumb :) ........

    "THE TRUTH DIVIDES"

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    3 hours ago, Witness said:

    Contrary to physical understanding, this “division”, this testimony of truth, this is Armageddon.

    So what is the cleansig of this earth called ?  What is the "bring to ruin those ruining the earth" ? 

    What is the destruction of all false religions ? 

    It seem that you are sayig that it's all spirual, Non physical............ but there has to be physical removal of the devil, demons, wicked people, polution, and much more ......................

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    20 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    You left the institution because of, false pretenses

    I left because of knowledge I'd gained through my own research. 

    20 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Did your congregation disfellowship you in absentia? Most likely. Do you care, no! Does it matter if you care, no!

    This is a typical JW comment. Why ? Because JWs do not like it when a person choses to leave the JW Org for a very valid reason.  You know why i left. It was because of all the CSA in the JW org. 

     

    AND WHY DO I NEED APPROVAL OF A MODERATOR TO MAKE COMMENTS NOW  ????????????????

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