Patiently waiting for Truth

17 hours ago, NoisySrecko said:

Can you clarify what you mean by "one judgment" since Christ gave his life for all of us due to the original sin? 

Those of the Anointed are judged by their faith and works whilst they are alive here on this Earth. If they are found 'worthy' of life then they will gain a spirit life in Heaven. Once in Heaven they will be counted as perfect by God and Chrsit. They will not get another testing or judgement. 

At Armageddon those not of the Heavenly calling will be judged as being 'worthy' or 'unworthy' of keeping alive into the 'New World' here on Earth.  Those kept alive through Armageddon will be of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Only the wicked will be condemned to death. Also those raised from the dead will be both of the righteous and the unrighteous. Only the wicked will not get a resurrection. So ALL people, those that never died and those that were raised up, will be judged at the end of the one thousand years of Christ's reign. I presume they will be 'perfect' at the end of that time. They will also have true wisdom, knowledge and understanding, which we do not have now. The testing / judgement of all those on Earth will be worked through Satan's temptations. 

17 hours ago, NoisySrecko said:

since Christ gave his life for all of us due to the original sin? 

Christ gave His life to open the door of opportunity, firstly for the Anointed as Revelation 5 : 9&10 tell us.  Then for those who could live on Earth.  Christ did not die for the wicked, He died for the righteous and the unrighteous. However it is Christ that judges all because HE has all authority since 33 C.E.  

On 10/23/2021 at 11:34 AM, Isabella said:

Dear @The Librarian

I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him. Isn't this animal cruelty? How this JW can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is not taking care of his domestic animal? Prov. 12:10.

(Is this really Isabella, or has she been hacked?) 

Isn't it illegal Stateside to let your dog lose in the streets ?  Could cause a traffic accident. 

It would be a Christian attitude for you to go talk to him about it. @xero  has already made this point with a scripture. 

But from my viewpoint animal cruelty is the least of things to worry about with JW MinS & Elders. 

How can you be concerned about a dog, but not concerned about Child Sexual Abuse in the JW Org ? 

13 hours ago, NoisySrecko said:

Thank you friend for making such an important clarification, since only the ones deemed righteous will have the honor to serve in heaven. This would mean the 144,000 saints would be received as "perfect beings" in heaven as a reward for their faithful serve and loyalty.

That's because Christ died for those of His Bride. Hence they only have one judgement and that is whilst they are living as humans. 

Revelation 5 : 9 & 10 

And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, ¹⁰  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

Christ's blood does not yet mean everlasting life for those of the Earthly hope. 

On 10/22/2021 at 9:18 AM, BroRando said:

“Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.”

I can only see ONE NAIL and it is through the WRISTS. 

I'm not talking about Strongs. I'm saying that the picture is in oppositon to the written words. 

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

The fact that they are capable organizers for construction projects and the purchase / sale of real estate is not enough.

But it proves where their hearts and minds are. 

14 hours ago, Pudgy said:

There is a huge Jewish population in the Ramapo, Warwick NY area, and the new WTB&TS headquarters is also on an area peppered with old gold and silver mines, so it occurred to me that the secret agenda might be Golem Harvesting, left over from 1863 by the immigrants from what is now Prague, the Czech Republic.

 

So that's it.  Bunkers under Warwick and under Ramapo, all linked together by underground tunnels. 

When the big trouble starts the GB and their Lawyers & helpers et al, will all go underground.

All paid for by donations and built by slaves of the Org.  

It doesn't show the underground bunkers though  

https://nypost.com/2021/10/15/michigan-schools-cancel-halloween-and-valentines-day-to-be-inclusive/

This has to be good  

Halloween and Valentine’s Day have been canceled for elementary-school students in a Michigan district over concerns about being “inclusive” and “equitable.”

East Lansing Public Schools informed parents of the decision to cancel the two holidays this week, the Lansing State Journal reports.

The celebrations were dropped because of concerns over hurt feelings by kids in families who don’t want them to participate, the district’s elementary-school principals said in a joint letter to parents.

“Each year, along with the fun of Halloween parties and parades, we also have students whose families do not celebrate or feel comfortable with their children participating in Halloween festivities,” the principals wrote.

“We have young children who become overwhelmed and sometimes frightened of the costumes and others who come to school with no costume at all.”

Officials also added that it was difficult for students to remain concentrated on classwork amid Halloween celebrations.

As for Valentine’s Day, the principals said some families and students “do not feel comfortable with the idea of boys and girls exchanging valentines or participating in a celebration that focuses on ‘love.’

“While some students bring valentines to exchange, others do not,” the principals wrote.

“In our upper elementary classrooms, the exchange of valentines sometimes leads to classroom drama and teasing.”

Assistant Superintendent Glenn Mitcham said Halloween and Valentine’s Day could still be incorporated into the curriculum – they just won’t be celebrated going forward.

As an example, he said classes could measure a pumpkin to learn about its circumference.

“We’re striving hard at East Lansing Public Schools to be a district that is equitable and inclusive for all families,” the principals wrote.

The news comes just days after a Seattle elementary school announced it had canceled its annual Halloween parade this year – because it “marginalizes students of color who do not celebrate the holiday.”

Some Jehovah’s Witnesses, evangelical Christians and Muslims are among those who do not celebrate Halloween.

The decision to cancel the Pumpkin Parade at Benjamin Franklin Day Elementary School was made by the Racial Equity Team.

Well I think that is one piece of good news. 

21 hours ago, The Librarian said:

Historically the Society has been at the forefront of technological change. It would not surprise me if they have cold storage wallets duplicated around the globe already that they just don't speak about publicly. 

Um, relying on material possesions instead of relying on Almighty God through Jesus Christ. 

And Jesus said, recorded at  Matthew 19:21 Berean Study Bible
Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”

The complete opposite to having hidden material wealth. Oh, where is the faith of this wicked generation ?

18 hours ago, BroRando said:

The Judgement of the living is pre-millienial during Christ's Presence of the Last Days

This is not Watchtower teaching as we've already mentioned. 

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/

God’s appointed Judge is Christ Jesus. The Bible says that Jesus will “judge the living and the dead.” (2 Timothy 4:1) Who are “the living” that will be judged? How will the dead come to life again on “the inhabited earth”?

Jesus Judges “the Living”

23 hours ago, BroRando said:

12  “During that time Miʹcha·el*a will stand up,* the great princeb who is standing in behalf of your people.* And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape,c everyone who is found written down in the book.d ²  And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt.

 

⁴  “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end.e Many will rove about,* and the true knowledge will become abundant.”

 

Berean Study Bible
“At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

I repeat FUNNY HOW YOU NOW CALL THEM BIRTH PANGS 

15 hours ago, BroRando said:

Distress Pangs began in 1914 but know those pangs can be now be considered Birth Pangs as the New World is being 'brought forth' and begotten into a New Creation.

They never were 'distress pangs'. that was just a false teaching of the Watchtower. 

Funny how now You call it Birth Pangs, the scripture has always called it that. 

Matthew 24:8 

New International Version
All these are the beginning of birth pains.

New Living Translation
But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come.

English Standard Version
All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

Berean Study Bible
All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Berean Literal Bible
And all these are the beginning of birth pains.

New American Standard Bible
But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains.

NASB 1995
“But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

NASB 1977
“But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

Christian Standard Bible
All these events are the beginning of labor pains.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All these events are the beginning of birth pains.

15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, no one here, even for centuries after the apostles, are inspired prophets, however, they can be used by God via the spirit.

  Zechariah 8: 22 & 23

And many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek Jehovah of armies in Jerusalem and to beg for the favor of Jehovah.’²³  “This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” " 

Was this a one time happening, or is it prophecy ?  If it is prophecy then the JEW must be Spiritual and not just one person. And if God is with the JEW = Spiritual Jews = Anointed, then are those Anointed inspired or just guided by God ?

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Acts 2 : 17 & 18

¹⁷  ‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I will pour out some of my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy and your young men will see visions and your old men will dream dreams, ¹⁸  and even on my male slaves and on my female slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

We know this was fulfilled at that time as mentioned in Acts, but is it still a prophecy for our time ? 

It says 'in the Last Days', and we are lving in the Last Days.  

It says God will 'pour out some of His spirit'. Is that to inspire or to guide those mentioned ? 

Surely they would need to be inspired to be able to prophesy ?  The scripture must mean TRUE prophecy so it would need TRUE inspiration. But when ? 

14 hours ago, Witness said:

We have the accounts of faithful ones who lived their lives totally devoted to God and His word.  To think that they must enter into another judgment period after they are resurrected, is a lie.

John 5 : 28 & 29 

28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29and come out— those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.  

So the faithful ones will get a resurrection to LIFE, not judgement. 

15 hours ago, Witness said:

“Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life."  John 5:24

Jesus was sent to the lost House of Israel. Those that believed Jesus were to be of Spiritual Israel. Those of Spiritual Israel do not get a second judgement. It was Spiritual Israel / Christ's bride that Jesus died for. Christ's death does not cover the Earthly Class as yet. 

Revelation 5 : 9&10 

And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, ¹⁰  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kingsr over the earth.”

The Chosen ones. The ones Christ died for.

15 hours ago, Witness said:

The symbolic "thousand years" is finished.  It was a time period where the anointed who lived as humans must prove their faithfulness, loyalty to truth, and their love for God, Jesus, and the assignment that was given to them. 

Some of those Anointed are still living and will not have 'proven' themselves until their death or until they are taken up from this Earth. So then how has that 'thousand years' finished ?  Unless you are saying all the Anointed HAVE NOW proved themselves. 

I disagree with you entirely on all this.... 

13 hours ago, NoisySrecko said:

It could also expand to 120 if you look at Noah. 

But what was the life expectancy of Jews when Jesus was on earth ?  Not 120 years I think. 

https://knox.villagesoup.com/2021/10/09/lawsuit-alleges-church-elder-sexually-abused-youth/

Allegations also say other elders threatened to sue family of victim if they referred abuse complaint to law enforcement.

A lawsuit has been filed on behalf of a local woman who said she was repeatedly sexually assaulted as a child by an elder at the Rockland Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Rockport.  The lawsuit was filed Sept. 30 in the Knox County court against the Rockport congregation and Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.  The woman said she was molested multiple occasions between 1993 and 1996 when she was 11 to 13 years old. The victim disclosed to her mother about the abuse in 1996 and the mother immediately informed the other elders of the congregation, the lawsuit stated. Instead of investigating the allegations or removing the elder from his position, the elders threatened a lawsuit against the victim’s family if they went public. That pressure led the family not to report the abuse to law enforcement, according to the lawsuit.  Shortly after the woman reported the abuse, the congregation disfellowshipped her, with the elder who said she abused her being on the judicial committee that took the action.  Bigos said the Washington man who molested the young woman remains an elder and is the registered agent for the congregation.  According to the lawsuit, at age 17 the victim wanted to rejoin the Jehovah’s Witnesses along her with then-boyfriend but she was told she would need to recant her abuse allegation.  The lawsuit also alleges that Watchtower would issue policies to elders and among these recommendations were to report allegations of child molestation to Watchtower rather than law enforcement. The elders should also not warn the congregation of threats posed by an accused child abuser, and the elders should not cooperate when confronted with a search warrant but instead contact Watchtower.

Now whether this is hyped up, or if it's just advertising for the Laywers, or even if it's false news.

The point is that this CSA reporting against the JW Org is not going away. 

Will members of the public be 'turned off' from communicating with JWs because of this ? Especially as this Elder still holds his position in the congregation. Yes CSA IS everywhere, but that does not help the org. 

13 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

however, as long as the people are together, they make up the Church of the Christ.

Are you suggesting that the whole congregation are the 'Church' ?

I would have thought the 'Temple' is the Anointed, and therefore I would think the 'Church' is the  Anointed also. Am I wrong ? 

1 Corinthians 3:16

Berean Study Bible
Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

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I think you remarked that I use the BSB and you seemed to dislike this ? 

I do compare it with the NWT but if none are inspired then does it matter that I find the BSB easier to read ? 

Do you have a suggestion as to a better translation ? 

I was wondering, If a person that had been disfellowshipped or left the JW Org and now wanted to return. 

How would a person make it known that they wanted to return ?  What would be the proceedure since Kingdom Halls are closed ? 

How would a person prove that they really wanted to return ? 

I've always thought it very sad that when an ex-JW entered a KH, that no one would talk to them. 

I would have thought that it would show love to welcome that person into the meeting. However there are no KH meetings right now.  So what would an ex-JW do ? 

(I'll await all the hate comments from certain people  ) 

This topic is not a 'confession' that I want to return. 

16 hours ago, Arauna said:

So you judge JWs when we say that few will be saved through Armageddon..... but the bible itself says this! 

Rutherford said "MILLIONS now living will never die", and at that time there were not even one million of 'them'.  But then he 'invented' the Jehovah's Witnesses, and then something happened where the teaching became 'Only JW's will survive because the Org is the 'New Ark'.  @JW Insider has written that the 'feeling in the Org' is not to guess how many wil be saved. 

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This is from the Watchtower as I've shown before. 

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/

Jesus Judges “the Living”

14 hours ago, BroRando said:

Pointing out the Hyprocisy.  When was the last time a journalist reported an Atheist or a Believer in the Big Bang was invloved in Child Sexual Abuse?  Yet, out of the Billions of Atheists, not a single report?

 

In the countries where CSA is reported it is mainly because government deparments have investigated ALL religions and clubs etc that involve children being close to adults.  Even charities are investigated for CSA.  

It's very strange that the USA doesn't seem to be investigating on a large scale.  Here in UK the Charity Commision and the IICSA have both been involved in deep investigations of CSA in religions. 

I believe that the Australian Royal Commision started with the investigation of the Catholic church. 

On 10/10/2021 at 2:46 PM, Pudgy said:

PwfT, you keep saying that you know who the "real" F&DS and anointed are, but in all your postings you have never specifically identified he/them/it.

I challenge you to find even one post where i have said I know who 'the real F&DS and Anointed' are >>>>>>>>>>>

I use the words True Anointed because the GB / Watchtower have written that 'many of the ones taking the Emblems are mentally ill and not actually Anointed ones.  I've also said that in my opinion God through Christ will bring forward the True Anointed remnant and establish them in their rightful place. 

But I've never said and never written that I know who they are.  In fact I don't think there is a F&DS right now. 

Hence I am Patiently waiting for Truth, and waiting for those True Anointed ones that will guide us to truth. 

On 10/10/2021 at 2:46 PM, Pudgy said:

and I would rather have creepy, arrogant, obnoxious, marginally competent big ugly bags of mostly water humans wear that mantle

That's a bit like saying, you would rather jump on a train going in the wrong direction, rather than waiting for the right train. 

On 10/10/2021 at 3:31 PM, Anna said:

Judgement day (the 1000 years) is for those who have died before Armageddon and are resurrected. They will be judged either worthy or not worty of everlasting life at the end of the 1000 years.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/

Jesus Judges “the Living”

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20150501/what-does-the-end-mean/

@JW Insider   Images like this do not seem to make much sense to me. 

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/

Quote : 

Judgment Day will be a period of a thousand years during which humans will have the opportunity to regain what Adam and Eve lost. 

If JUDGEMENT DAY is 1,000 years long, and the judge is Jesus Christ, then what exactly is happening here ?

This image happening would have to mean that ALL those people have ALREADY BEEN JUDGED. 

I'm getting the feeling that Armageddon and Judgement Day are two seperate things. 

This picture looks like Armageddon. But I would have thought that Armageddon was only the destruction of the 'wicked' people. Hence the 'wicked' would already have been judged prior to the Judgement Day. 

This image looks to be killing indiscriminatly. So when would this take place ?  Would this be at the end of the 1,000 years, the destruction of all those that would not serve God through Christ ? 

It seriously does not make sense to me. 

This comment is totally off topic but it sort of made me laugh when I read it. It does not stumble me in any way because I know the dead do not have a 'soul' that floats off anywhere, but :-

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/

This is not referring to disembodied souls of those who have died. The dead are totally unconscious and do not have a soul that survives death.

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Sure. The official standpoint is found on jw.org under these headings

Thank you.