Patiently waiting for Truth

Congratulations. Have a great day and many more. You are still young and hopefully have many years left to live. Rambo's problem is 1. he wants attention and 2. he loves to guess at dates. I would suggest both are anti-Christian. Reminds me of the GB.

Possibly Main Stream Christianity = Catholic / Protestant.

Please note the question mark at the end of the sentence. Do you know what it means ? It means that the sentence was a QUESTION. It was not a statement. It was not a teaching. Not a doctrine. Imagining that. BUT Not teaching it as fact. The Watchtower / GB teach things as facts by pretending that they are the F&DS. You deliberately want to hide yourself from the difference. So you basically misuse scripture which in turn loses you credibility. You need to think on this. The 'missteps' (lies) of your GB / Watchtower / Org, are condemning people to death. Luke 17 : 1 & 2 Berean Study BibleJesus said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him to have a millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.

Doom and gloom once again, Billy the Kid. I would think the only ones that could grieve the Holy Spirit are those that have received the Holy Spirit. That is the Anointed ones. Unless of course you have been sent to judge us Rambo.

And to think that the Watchtower / GB / JW Org, continue all this right up to this very day ! I don't pretend to understand any of it, but as an 'outsider' it looks to be part of Babylon and part of 'the world'. But then maybe the JW Org IS part of both. I love this. Reminds me of Rando

And xero in his new topic said this ...we implicitly act as if this isn't true, boldly concluding things Jehovah's going to do or not do and even the manner of his doing or not doing. We can't let it go. Um, two minds with a single thought, or, an AKA ?

Can someone explain to me, to whom would it have been advantageous to insert that piece of writing ? 'Religions' have always been about control. That piece of writing was concerning forgiveness. Therefore whoever wanted that piece of writing included, wanted forgiveness of sins, as opposed to punishment (by death). Matthew 9 : 13 The words of Jesus Berean Study BibleBut go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” I am not fighting this battle as to whether it should or should not be included. I am just giving proof that from the time of Jesus Christ living here on this Earth, things changed drastically. They changed from punishment of death, to, mercy and forgiveness shown by God through Jesus Christ. I do agree with Tom, that forgiveness is only possible if the person is repentant.

A couple of points here. firstly I've have said this many times before on this forum. With God all things are possible. secondly. Hence my name I use now on this forum. Patiently waiting for truth. And I get mocked for it. But when you say WE, would you be kind enough to say exactly who the 'we' are ? Are you referring to individuals or the Watchtower Soc' / JW Org / GB ?

Simply because the topic was not mainly about Revelation. The topic was about the Watchtower admitting that they got interpretation wrong, therefore they admitted misusing scripture. In the Watchtower quote that I used about the locusts I cannot see any mention of the Angel of the Abyss. Um, maybe you should be a Watchtower writer, you see to know more than they do. SM, you have great knowledge of scripture and other things. This is your topic here, enjoy it.

You were totally off topic, because the TOPIC was about the misuse of scriptures by the Watchtower... And the GB / Watchtower admitted they were wrong. Truther ? You can't even tell the truth here. I would think you are a laughing stock amongst real Truthers.

The other thread was locked because you were off topic and just trying to get attention for yourself

I stand corrected on the Matthew scripture, which should be Matthew 27 : 40 And yet you have quoted yourself as comparing the KJV with the NWT If you stick to Bible Scripture Only, surely you have to use a Bible. If it's a BIBLE based activity, then I've quoted scriptures from the bible. And i asked questions about words added. What I didn't do however was to be tricked into using the scriptures sited.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/kingdom-interlinear-greek-translation/books/ https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/ I am using the 1985 version of this Interlinear Greek translation by Watchtower, and I'm wondering if there is an updated version or a better version I could be using. I have hard copy of this, but also I found one on the JW Org website but it didn't have a date of publication, so i don't know if it's a newer one. Also is there a Watchtower approved translation of the Hebrew scriptures ? A couple of points though. As you will know I believe the scriptures are for the 'true' Anointed and that when Jesus is ready (Jesus has all authority) He will provide Holy Spirit to those of the remnant to guide God's people to truth. Secondly, the words of Jesus recorded Matthew 11 : 25 Berean Study BibleAt that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. My thinking runs in line with this scripture above. That God reveals the meaning of scripture to whom HE chooses, and that Jesus now does the same. Hence with all the deep discussion on this forum and those on here that consider themselves wise and learned, I tend to think that no matter how much research one does, and how much one studies languages ect, only God through Christ will give true knowledge. However that does not mean i should be lazy or not study God's word. What it means to me is that I should not expect to understand too much or too deeply. Hence, back to the point, Interlinear Translations that can be trusted ????? And the most up to date ? All information welcome, thank you. Oh and to confess, I still haven't learnt to use Strong's properly yet, but I keep trying.

@Jack Ryan I'm sorry we've all stolen your topic and drastically changed it's direction. I get disappointed when it happens to my topics. There are no JWs or 'carts' around my area of England, and I haven't had a letter through my door. None of my local neighbours have mentioned letters either, but some nearby towns are complaining about them.

You are definitely following in the Storm Trooper's footsteps. Please do not get like SM, just giving orders to people. It's not about WW3, it's about people being allowed to have their own opinion. NWT. Matthew 27 : 4 and saying: “You who would throw down the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! If you are a son of God, come down off the torture stake!” The word TORTURE, is it an addition to this scripture ? NWT John 1 : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. The word a, is it an addition to this scripture ? I'm not disputing the meaning behind the additions. I'm asking from the BIBLE SCRIPTURE ONLY viewpoint. In the JW, Kingdom Interlinear Translations, it shows them to be additions.

@Srecko Sostar That is a really great explanation and yes, it proves the dangers of that type of 'teaching'. We know that people like to have their ears 'tickled', and it seems the GB have found a way of tickling people's ears. In fact it seems a very dangerous way forward. The idea of moving away from God's written word. Replacing God's word with play acting. We know that the GB speak falsely when they give talks. How much more will these plays be false.

Concerning both the Locusts and the Superior Authorities, the Watchtower Leaders confessed that they HAD BEEN WRONG. Therefore they proved they had misused scripture. Everything mentioned in my original post at top of page, has a link or information for reference. Anything else mentioned on this topic is just trolling. What is trolling in social media? Trolls are people who leave intentionally provocative or offensive messages on the internet in order to get attention, cause trouble or upset someone. Points proven, Case closed.

Once again the Storm Trooper demads answers He asked a question and I gave him an answer. But note that I told him 'That's all ya gettin'. One jump ahead, because I knew he would demand more . Unfortunately I think SM is now being a Troll, deliberately trying to throw things off topic.

ABADDON (A·badʹdon) [from Heb., meaning “Destruction”]. At Revelation 9:11 this Hebrew word is transliterated into the English text. There we read concerning the symbolic plague of locusts that they have “a king, the angel of the abyss. In Hebrew his name is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.” That's all ya gettin'.

Wrong. The Pharisees used scripture and facts to ask their questions. That shows you don't know as much as you pretend to know.

The information i have given was only available in April 2020 Study Watchtower. I have given a link to the source.

Which was why I likened you to the Pharisees. They tried exactly the same with Jesus.

Unfortunately it seems there is a young JW here that is being misguided by a man that 'thinks' he knows truth. Can we please set matters straight about the wrong use of scripture. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/An-Attack-Coming-From-the-North/ The Watchtower—Study Edition | April 2020 STUDY ARTICLE 14 An Attack Coming From the North! 2 As those Bible students soon found out, however, it can be one thing to learn what the Bible teaches about a certain doctrinal subject but quite another to discern correctly the meaning of a Bible prophecy. Why is that so? For one thing, Bible prophecies are often best understood when they are undergoing fulfillment or after they have been fulfilled. But there is another factor. To understand a prophecy correctly, we generally have to consider its context. If we focus on only one aspect of the prophecy and ignore the rest, we may draw the wrong conclusion. In hindsight, it seems that this has been the case with a prophecy in the book of Joel. Let us review that prophecy and discuss why an adjustment in our present understanding is needed. For many years, we have applied that prophecy symbolically to the way in which Jehovah’s people, like an unstoppable swarm of locusts, engage in their preaching activity. We understood that this activity has devastating effects on the “land,” or the people who are under the control of the religious leaders. However, when we consider the prophecy in its context, we see that a different understanding is appropriate. Let us examine four reasons why this is so. 5 First of all, notice Jehovah’s promise with regard to the plague of locusts: “I will drive the northerner [the locusts] far away from you.” (Joel 2:20) If the locusts represent Jehovah’s Witnesses as they obey Jesus’ command to preach and make disciples, why would Jehovah promise to drive them away? (Ezek. 33:7-9; Matt. 28:19, 20) Clearly, Jehovah is driving away, not his faithful servants, but something or someone who is hostile to his people. Notice that Jehovah promises to “make compensation” for the damage the locusts have caused. If the locusts picture Kingdom evangelizers, this would suggest that the message they proclaim causes damage. Did you notice that Jehovah says: “After that I will pour out my spirit”; that is, after the locusts have completed their assigned task? If the locusts are preachers of God’s Kingdom, why would Jehovah pour out his spirit on them after they finish their witnessing? We previously connected the plague of locusts described by Joel with our preaching work because of a similar prophecy found in the book of Revelation. Admittedly, there are similarities between the prophecy in Revelation and the one Joel recorded. However, there are significant differences. Consider: In Joel’s prophecy, the locusts devastate the vegetation. (Joel 1:4, 6, 7) In John’s vision, the locusts are “told not to harm the vegetation of the earth.” (Rev. 9:4) The locusts Joel saw came from the north. (Joel 2:20) Those John saw came out of an abyss. (Rev. 9:2, 3) The locusts Joel described are driven away. In Revelation, the locusts are not driven away but are allowed to finish their work. There is no indication that they deserve Jehovah’s disapproval. The significant differences between the two prophecies lead us to conclude that they are not connected. 17 What has changed? We now have a more accurate understanding of the prophecy found at Joel 2:7-9. Simply put, these verses refer, not to our zealous preaching work, but to the activity of the Babylonian army that invaded Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Watchtower / JW Org / GB, here admitted that what they had been teaching was FALSE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Romans / Superior Authorities scripture was also falsely used by the Org between 1929 to 1962. Until 1929, the “superior authorities” or “higher powers” were correctly said by Watchtower to be the earthly rulers to whom Christians paid taxes and whose laws they were obligated to follow. From 1929 to 1962, the Superior Authorities became “the Most High God Jehovah and his exalted Son Jesus Christ.” (This Means Everlasting Life (1950) p.197) In 1962, the Society returned to the original position of Russell. A statement in Babylon the Great Has Fallen! God’s Kingdom Rules! page 548 indicated there was a change in understanding; This was explained in detail through the November 1, November 15 and December 1 editions of the Watchtower in 1962. How does Watchtower justify the change back to the original position? It does not have to, as it rewrites its history to avoid such embarrassment. In an article titled ‘The Christian’s View of the Superior Authorities’ it avoids mentioning that in 1962 the doctrine reverted back to an earlier version.

My point was that Jesus could have done so. I never said Jesus did so in that scripture. But i see you are treating this all as a game. Trying to score points for SM. So be it. Yes this forum is probably a game, but serving God through Christ is not a game.

There are two points here. ( although I never use that 'scripture' as I'm not sure eather way but ) 1. Jesus allowed an immoral woman to wash His feet with her tears, then wipre His feet with her hair, then she anointed His feet with oil. Then Jesus said to her "Your sins are forgiven you " 2. The Jewish way of life, The Law, demanded death. However the New way, through Christ, demanded mercy and forgiveness. Jesus and the disciples never punished anyone by killing them. So Jesus could have saved an adulterous woman.