Patiently waiting for Truth

John 2 From verse 19 onward. 

 When it was late that day, the first day of the week, and the doors were locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them: “May you have peace.” ²⁰  After saying this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples rejoiced at seeing the Lord.²¹  Jesus said to them again: “May you have peace. Just as the Father has sent me, I also am sending you.” ²²  After saying this he blew on them and said to them: “Receive holy spirit. ²³  If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain those of anyone, they are retained.”²⁴  But Thomas, one of the Twelve, who was called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. ²⁵  So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” ²⁶  Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” ²⁷  Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” ²⁸  In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” ²⁹  Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe.”

I did the biblehub thing to compare these verses and as far as I could see they all compare favourably with this NWT translation. 

BUT it seems that some people on here do not agree with any of them. 

Some of you, even some JWs, want to change the wording. You want NAIL, instead of NAILS. And you want WRISTS instead of HANDS. 

Now this is only ONE small portion of scripture. This portion is from the New World Translation written by the Watchtower Soc' / JW org, and approved by the GB of those orgs. And yet even JWs do not believe it. 

So how is a Christian supposed to 'study' God's word if that 'word' is not translated properly anywhere ? 

Some here will say, 'You have to do research'. But surely that would mean spending ten minutes on every line written. Not only would you lose the sense of it, you would quickly become demoralised. 

Some here call me a fool for my hoping in a True Anointed remnant. So continue to do so, as now I'm also hoping in a TRUE translation of the Holy Scriptures. 

People need to be able to trust what they are reading in God's word. But how can they if all translations are written according to the writer's own beliefs and agenda... If Strong's or any other, show that things can be translated in various ways, then how does the average Christian know which way is the right way ?

Remember Matthew 11 : 25 & 26

At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. ²⁶  Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved.

Some of us are like young children. We are not wise and intellectual ones.  So, some of us need TRUTH to be simple. But 'religions' have made TRUTH to be difficult. 'Religions' have added burdens to even basic Bible study, by not translating it truthfully. Because 'religions' all follow their own agenda. 

@BroRando  You are funny. You are good for a laugh, but, you cannot be taken seriously because of your attitude. 

Yes, each day we get a day closer to Armageddon, of course we do. And i don't deny we are living in the 'time of the end'.

But what I will not do is to put a date on it.  And as the scripture tells us "Unless those days were cut short, then no flesh would be saved". 

Now either Almighty God or Jesus Christ, has to decide when those days must be cut short. 

As for 1914, that was 'thrown out the window' years ago. You are just living in the past. 

You are of course entitled to your own opinion about 2034. But you must question yourself as to whether God or Christ has given you the right to spread that rumour to bring trouble to other people.  You could well be seen as a stumbling block as mentioned in Luke 17 : 1 & 2. 

15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

If you read his original post, nothing of a date was ever mentioned, he simply compared Noah's Day to how Present Day mirrors it with events happening throughout the years, especially even now. Moreover, he made mention of the presence of the Christ, and how it is compared, hence his quote:

[Notice Jesus compared the days of Noah to his Presence, they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away. Therefore, we can conclude that both Prophecies are 'timed events'. Time and again Jesus kept reminding his disciples just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. How long were the days of Noah? Then Jehovah said: “My spirit will not tolerate man indefinitely, because he is only flesh. Accordingly, his days will amount to 120 years.” (Genesis 6:3)

 

We can be certain to expect a plethora of events to unfold in a timely manner at the end of Christ's Presence, sweeping the ungodly away, but not in the manner you think...]

 

You should already know I do not pass on anything, for you made that clear several times. Again the presence of the Christ, but you throw a wrench to @Arauna. You only made a small remark with no substances to said remark on this 2034 notation. JWI had already covered that a while back with detail, again, you clearly do not know the WHY and HOW Rando came to that conclusion - JWI's response.

 

Best to look at that thread and all of JWI's references.

 

That being said, it isn't too far-fetched because although not anything pertaining to God's Day, there are those who hold an expectation of something that is to take place in 2034, series of events, which seems to be the case with Rando, ironically enough some Christians made a notation to that, even the non-religious mainly when it comes to fulfillment, for some they even interjected superpowers and groups associated with both Babylon and the Beast, whom since 2016, have been doing a lot if you paid attention well into the pandemic.

 

I've mentioned the man known as Reslite before, and he made note to 2034, and this man not only studied the pastor Taze Russell, but knows a lot about what he said:

 

He stated this (only a portion of it because Res takes time before he gets to a point) - 

As for the other remarks:

And the Watchtower / JW Org have always wanted to push forward such a date.  They did so many times, and all were wrong. Once again this has all been discussed over and over again on here. It get boring.

1914 was in regards to Christ compared to them. And the whole 1975 was a result of people overreacting and thus spread misinformation. Evidence to that was due to those who were alive that day and year. I even told you in the past an Ex-JW called this out, spoke the truth despite not 100% agreeing with JWs, yet who were the people who came to said him death threats, shame him, attack him to the point they got YouTube to shutdown his channel? That is an obvious answer, one you do not like. Same situation with 2017 when misinformation spread only for an Ex-Bible Student was the one responsible for stopping a protest, but to this day, the lie continues to be spoken.

That said, if it is so boring, why are you so intrigued, several times over?

But you will continue to hassle me, because for some reason you have chosen me to dislike. However that is good, for it gives me reason to think that I'm on the right lines. And of course we are to forgive each other more that 77 times. 

Because to this day, you didn't live up to what you made note to a long time ago after breaking something that would have helped you.

How is it good to not do the research to take in the facts? We should not be going about mere opinion mainly something dealing with a group or community. Although not a political person, to adopt a Left-Wing paradigm in this regard is dangerous. Not too long ago you tried to speak of traditions of Men, yet nothing of which you stated comes close to equating to that.

Traditions of Men vs. Traditions out of the Christian Church differs. More so, the group in question are of Restorationism.

But you do not really forgive anyone, and when you are corrected, you react as though you are not immature. If the FBI is mentioned, you get angry, if you didn't know a term in Hebrew or Greek, you get angry, if someone even memes, you get angry, corrected on your own faith group, you get angry, not proving a claim, you get angry, if even a teenager corrects you, you jump out of your seat, ironically enough he was the one who purposed Forgiveness can be exploited and abused by some. If @Arauna or @TrueTomHarley even breathes, you light up like a volcano.

How does that make sense?

Even so, if one is to focus on the Bible only, you solely bring up your faith group.

Facts is over everything, not opinions duped as unproven. The original quote of which I purposed to you was from a written work from a College in NY, by the way.

 

If you checked the originally links and example links, those in of itself knock the basketball out of your hands, JB. This isn't the first time the notation of being "Saved" was brought up, and baptism is a declaration, hence the linked notes; in this regard, if they believed only them are to be saved, then they would not make any remark of those that predate them, the Bible Students, etc. Even to specific few in Jesus' day.

Again, you are just going by means of your own opinion pieces, which proves the point made.

That being said, the only reason I react the way I do because as I mentioned, to which you even made note to, I hate falsehood, I hate misinformation, and I hate conspiracy theories. Therefore, I am the guy who would speak if I see something that is not right, say something or even refute if need be, mainly when the Core Teachings of God and Christ is hindered and I have a disdain for Trinitarianism and the Interfaith, but it didn't stop you from saying otherwise before only to be corrected.

I gave up half way through your ramblings. And yes it's good that you hound me, just as the Pharisees hounded Jesus. 

As for opinions, everyone on here is just going by their own opinions. NO ONE is inspired of God's Holy Spirit. Even the JWs disagree amongst themselves. 

Rando mentions the 120 years in his first comment, which we know he relates to 1914 and comes out with 2034. So you are saying 'other people' are saying that 2034 is 'the year'.  I don't really care what 'people' are saying when it comes to naming a specific year, because we are told that NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR. So those that are spending their time pretending to know, are working against God and Christ Jesus. 

You say "But you do not really forgive anyone"  How wrong you are.

You say that I get angry.  Once again How wrong you are.  

Because I am assertive you presume I am angry. but you are wrong. You have chosen to judge me. You have chosen to hound me. You have chosen to 'think' that you are right about matters. So be it. But in reality you have just jumped onto the bandwagon with Tom and Arauna and others.

I do continue to forgive everyone that dislikes me and that talks against me and that accuses me of things. Jesus said that anyone that followed him would suffer in such ways. 

20 hours ago, BroRando said:

7 “Stop judginga that you may not be judged;b ²  for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged,c and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you.

It would seem that everyone judges. A person has to judge each religion against God's written word, otherwise how would a person chose to be part of one religion. Certainly the Watchtower / JW Org has many times passed judgement against the Catholic church. And constantly on this forum people judge Trinitarians and others. 

However  it seems that only when the Watchtower / JW Org is being judged, someone will bring out this type of scripture. 

In fact this scripture when viewed in a positive light can be useful. 

for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, So, if we judge by the standards of God through Christ, then we will be judged by the standards of God through Christ.  I'm happy with that. 

20 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

On 8/2/2021 at 7:13 AM, Space Merchant said:

So what exactly did they spread misinformation about in regards to Noah's Day vs. Present Day specifically in relation to Brando's original post?

The Watchtower / Org also stated that the JW Organisation was equal to Noah's Ark, and that a person had to be part of that org' to be saved at Armageddon. In addition they stated that a person must be a baptised JW to be saved.

On 8/2/2021 at 7:13 AM, Space Merchant said:

So what exactly did they spread misinformation about in regards to Noah's Day vs. Present Day specifically in relation to Brando's original post?

Brando is still hooked on providing a 'date' for the End of this system of things. I answered him on that first page. Um, you didn't pass comment on that though.

And the Watchtower / JW Org have always wanted to push forward such a date.  They did so many times, and all were wrong. Once again this has all been discussed over and over again on here. It get boring.

But you will continue to hassle me, because for some reason you have chosen me to dislike. However that is good, for it gives me reason to think that I'm on the right lines. And of course we are to forgive each other more that 77 times. 

16 hours ago, Pudgy said:

That one Scripture there DESTROYS the Trinity.

Since I am a cartoon dog, I recognize other explanations .....

Oh James, you just cannot keep away from them cartoons can you. 

13 hours ago, Pudgy said:

I remember back in the “old days”, the only thing you were asked was “ … can you do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs?”.

That is totally lost  on me, . Star Wars ???????????? 

17 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Therefore, my comment [people who do not have the facts will eventually go forth with bad assumptions and decisions] the sad part here is Witness' own link to the reddit, which shows the excerpt can be used against you here -  no one has all the facts when it comes to certain things because they do not do the research to come to a reasonable conclusion, and in turn, they jump to conclusions or come up with opinions based on misinformation.

Once again this can easily refer to the leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org. Obviously they didn't have the FACTS  when they wrote so many of their Watchtower magazines and so many of their books. Either they didn't have the FACTS or they deliberately told lies.  But you probably wont agree. It would be pointless listing proof of their mistakes / lies as it's all been here before. 

16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Then you'd have to prove such instead of going on to opinions.

Traditions of men. Or just dictatorship by the GB ? 

Well silly things come to mind such as the Beard problem. Some brothers were not even allowed on the platform if they had a beard.

The Suit and Tie thing, a must for all brothers. And ladies not being allowed to wear trousers even though they are designed and made for ladies. 

And having to go through an 'examination' of 100 questions before being allowed to be baptised. And then being baptised into the Organisation, not baptised as Jesus gave instruction. 

Having to put in report sheets to prove you have done ministry each month, then being counted as 'inactive' if you haven't put a report in.   

Being almost forced to join their Ministry school which mean you have to go up onto the platform to give small talks to the whole congregation (over 100 people). Something which gave me no pleasure at all. 

The being told what you can and cannot do, instead of it being left to your own conscience. 

Yes it's all been on here before but you did ask. 

15 hours ago, Witness said:

2 Tim 3:16,17  🙂

When that was written only the Hebrew scriptures were known, and some of the Greek scriptures hadn't even been written. I think that scripture is misused, unless it was a prophesy.  But once again I say that the scriptures were written for the Anointed,  so I do wonder how much the 'little dogs' need to understand.

16 hours ago, Arauna said:

What you do not seem to know is that Russel was NOT part of the slave. His group of bible students were like John the Baptist - they prepared the way. So there your argument flies out of the window even before we start to talk about the subject if he was "inspired' or not.

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Your GB are not part of the Faithful and Discreet Slave either, in fact by their actions and writings none of the Watchtower / JW Org leaders have been. 

And Russell's, International Bible Students Association, seems to still exist, even though Rutherford 'stole' the Watchtower and branched out to form his own religion which he named JWs.  

Russell was not preparing the way. He didn't even want an organization. And he didn't want Rutherford taking over either. So your idea of Russell preparing the way falls flat on it's face. 

Wow, How to make a simple thing more complicated. 

Very deep stuff going on here between the two of you.

BUT, how much of this is a Christian supposed to know and understand to be able to serve God through Christ properly ?

@Pudgy have a chew on this lot above, see if it makes sense to you. You can add it to your 4 horsemen comment  

On 8/1/2021 at 7:22 AM, Pudgy said:

since there is absolutely nothing any human can do about ANY of “all that”.

Not that Rambo has any more idea than the rest of us, but all scripture is worth taking note of. 

What we can all do is try to bring our own life in line with the 'advice' 'instruction' from Jesus Christ and try to make sense, from our own perspective, where we think we are in that stream of time. 

On 8/1/2021 at 7:22 AM, Pudgy said:

I need to pay attention to things I can do something about.

A good starting place is to examine yourself and ask yourself what you really believe. 

14 hours ago, BroRando said:

You now know what it means to have your sins Retained.... 

John 20:23

If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain those of anyone, they are retained.”

As Witness has almost said, that scripture does not refer to the likes of false anointed or false teachers. 

And as I've always said the scriptures are for the True Anointed remnant, of which it would seem, you are not one. 

But your pattern of condemning me brings back memories of Billy The Kid and other aka's that have done similar. 

For my part I worry not for myself.  I know I will be judged either in this life, or in the resurrection, if I die before the Judgement comes. My faith in God through Christ is strong, and I know both God and Christ are honest, fair and merciful. 

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

As I have mentioned on this forum before - during the 18th century there was a new craze in Europe regarding pyramids and papyri from Egypt.  many Christian denominations tried to see something prophetic in the pyramids. 

But by writing that you are saying that Russell was not inspired by God's Holy Spirit. Nor was he guided by it. 

You are basically saying that Russell 'jumped on the bandwagon' with the many Christian denominations. 

Being wrong as an individual is one thing, but putting it in print to 'guide' the people toward God is surely wrong.  

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

so the craze for anything Egyptian was the craze of the age. It was the new science. 

Part of the world then. A long way from serving God properly. It's quite strange as I've always thought that Russell was very much an 'individual' and that he turned his back on most teachings of other Christian denominations.  But here it seems he followed the crowd. 

14 hours ago, BroRando said:

Somebody is scorned and gnashing their teeth as they make the trip to the lava bath.

I know the truth hurts you but, 

A. There is no lava bath. The dead are conscious of nothing at all. 

B. You are just a fraud pretending to serve God but you condemn others, which Jesus said you should not do. 

Quite funny as you started out here sounding so 'good', but now it's obvious that you are just someone else under a different AKA. 

https://baltimorepostexaminer.com/ron-rhodes-christian-author-offers-views-on-bible-prophecy-end-times/2021/08/01

Pyramid theology foldout “Chart of the Ages” from the 1908 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society publication Studies in the Scriptures Vol I “The Divine Plan of the Ages.” (credit Anthony C. Hayes)

In his discourse on the Mount of Olives, Jesus speaks about His Second Coming and the signs of the last days and warns his disciples, “See to it that no one deceives you.” Jesus then lists a series of sobering events which would earmark the end of the age. Two thousand years later – with relentless wars, earthquakes and famines in various places, political upheaval, alarming hatred of “the other”, and a world-wide pandemic – many wonder if we are finally on this long-predicted precipice.

Author Ron Rhodes has been considering the signs of the end times since he was a teen. Rhodes has written over 85 books, which have sold in the millions and are translated into numerous languages. But unlike some sensationalists who have seized upon one “sign” or another to captivate a credulous crowd, Rhodes has always championed a reasonable approach to understanding the Word of God. We recently spoke with Rhodes about his life and conversion to Christianity; his views on cataclysmic cults, Israel, and the malevolent Antichrist; happenings he believes are clear signs of a coming apocalypse; and about his latest books, Basic Bible Prophecy and Spiritual Warfare in the End Times.

This is the first part of a three-part interview.

 

Rhodes: Well, it’s important to draw a distinction between some of the groups you just mentioned.

A seven-foot tall pyramid, at the Rosemont, Mt. Hope, & Evergreen United Cemeteries in Ross Township, PA., was erected in 1921 to honor the legacy of Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society founder Charles Taze Russell. Shortly after Russell’s death, the Society changed its name to Jehovah’s Witnesses and disavowed Russell’s Great Pyramid theology. (credit Anthony C. Hayes)

It is true that the Jehovah’s Witnesses have set forth prophecies. But a lot of those later prophecies are based upon a particular version of the Bible called the New World Translation. That’s a Watchtower Society translation that supports their theology. So they don’t derive their theology from a standard Bible, rather, they took their theology and made a new version of the Bible to support their views.  (This is partly true of course )

What the Watchtower Society has done for many, many years is that they have used prophecy as a means of growth. You see, if people think that the end of the world is right around the corner, well, then you better hook up with the true group on earth. And for decades, that’s exactly what they have done.

But a great many of those “prophecies” have actually come from the governing body of the Watchtower.

The governing body is just a few men at the top, who determine the things that will be taught to Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s mostly the governing body that has put together all those teaching books they publish, and a lot of their end times prophecies are found in those books.

 

Mormons, on the other hand, believe that the President of the Mormon church can make prophetic statements that are just as authoritative as the Bible. So for example, you had Joseph Smith saying in the 1830s that the New Jerusalem was about to be built right here in the United States.

Of course, those things never happened.

The test of a true biblical prophet is 100% accuracy. But these groups, like Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons, have prophecies that never came to pass.

That should tell you something.

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I actually had @Space Merchant in mind here.  He talks about facts and scripture and proof. And he talks about 'misinformation' 

So what about the Great Pyramid theology. ???  Because the Watchtower was Russell's 'baby'. And the lies are told that the JW Org was just a follow on from that. 

It's not that I'm interested in Ron Rhodes. But the article proves a point or two. Misinformation indeed.  Maybe even the article is of such. 

23 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

People need to get all the facts regarding a subject before jumping to a conclusion

As people would say about me, it seems that you are looking for perfection. I know that you are not, and neither am I.

But S. M. 'the facts' are different to different people. 

23 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

misinformation

You seem to love this word. But once again it means different things to different people. Many of us here could easily quote past teachings of the Watchtower / JW Org, which were misinformation.  You yourself belong to a different 'religion' which may give some 'misinformation' according to JWs.

Because if your religion and the Watchtower/JW religion taught exactly the same then they would be one religion. 

On 7/31/2021 at 11:43 AM, Space Merchant said:

But you do follow certain things to cloud your judgment

And you will give me some examples ?  You know what I follow do you ? 

S. M. There is a difference with, the idea of agreeing with someone, as opposed to following them. 

Two or more people can agree on a few things, it does not mean they are following each other. 

It's a bit like cars driving along the same road. Maybe they are all going to the same town but for different reasons. They are not just thoughtlessly following each other. 

23 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, people who do not have the facts will eventually go forth with bad assumptions and decisions,

Doesn't the JW Org do exactly that. They start adding traditions of men as burdens to Christians. 

They have their own form of baptism which is not the way Jesus instructed.  

They judge people in secret and they hide certain types of people within the Organisation, hence the immorality in the Org.  

It looks like Arauna, Tom and S M are just wasting space on this blog. Just writing rubbish just to be seen to be participating.  Such a shame they have nothing spiritual to offer. 

At least I write plainly about what I'm hoping will happen in the near future, and I give scriptural reasons for it. 

And I make it clear that I am not 'following' anyone else's interpretations on this forum.  So I stand alone with my head held high to give thanks to Almighty God through Jesus Christ, and I don't need the approval of any human. 

15 hours ago, Witness said:

The spiritual food offered on the blog link below, 

No thank you. Just the look of that page / blog makes me shudder. It would be out of the frying pan and in to the fire. 

I do not believe most things that you write, even though some on here try to link me with you...

We each have our own belief and I know exactly what I'm hoping for.  

On 7/30/2021 at 12:01 PM, Witness said:

Oh sir, I’m not sure what you are wanting to see.

You should know exactly what I'm wanting to see. I've made it clear plenty of times .

 Zechariah 8:23

Berean Study Bible
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’

Everyone needs to know exactly who these spiritual Jews are, before Armageddon comes.. 

Acts 2:17 

Berean Study Bible
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

This needs to happen before Armageddon. 

It's not too much to ask  

13 hours ago, Arauna said:

You are kind to say this!  I think most here know exactly the reasons but CHOOSE to remain obtuse because they have reached a stage in life where they oppose everything to do with Jehovah and his people.  They are irrational and nasty.... hence the term given to them: Hate-OCD.  They do not come here to learn but to divide and conquer! .... Unfortunately not for Jehovah. They have the same spirit the Pharisees had.

And you always say that I judge people ?????  But You still cannot understand, or do not want to understand, the huge difference between GOD, and the Watchtower/JW Org.  It's just like someone saying that if YOU oppose the Catholic church then you are opposing God. Just because a man, Rutherford, put a name on His Organisation, JWs, it does not make it God's real organisation.  The Watchtower/JW Org has proven to be immoral and to tell lies.  That isn't just my opinion, it has actually been proven in court cases and by God's own written word. 

hence the term given to them: Hate-OCD  That term comes from YOU, no one else. It is your way of blinding yourself.  Because you are frightened of the truth. You put up this wall OCD, so you don't have to consider other people's comments or ideas. It's a bit like blocking someone, but you do it mentally and emotionally. 

On 7/30/2021 at 10:12 AM, BroRando said:

If you weren't so blinded by your unjust hatred. You could have looked up the Greek word for nails and SEEN that it actually means NAIL in singular.

Now, I am quoting from the New World Translation. This translation is written or approved by the GB of the Watchtower / JW Org.  

John 20 

²⁴  But Thomas, one of the Twelve who was called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. ²⁵  So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.”²⁶  Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” ²⁷  Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting* but believe.”

The Watchtower / GB / JW Org approve of the use of PLURAL in all of these cases. BUT you now say it should be singular for Nails. However you don't comment on the word 'Hands' that Jesus himself said. 

Tell me, in which case does your GB / Watchtower / Org tell lies. Is it in the written word of the NWT, or is it in that picture created by a W/t artist and approved of by the GB ?  Because both cannot be right.