Patiently waiting for Truth

On 5/20/2021 at 6:00 AM, Matthew9969 said:

Yeah, sure looks like the end is coming any day now.

Another ten years maybe ?   Too much to happen and the True Anointed remnant have to be actively serving God properly through Christ and guiding the 'earthly class' in the right direction. Now that has to happen before all religion is completely banned earthwide. So we need some true guidance asap. It is not goingto come through the GB of the W/t. 

The A/V studio will be fitting for the GB and their helpers, because all they do is play act and pretend to serve God. 

Well at least JTR made this forum more interesting. Although Bro Rambo's topics are interesting in a strange way. 

Have a good day everyone. 

On 5/20/2021 at 4:45 AM, Arauna said:

Don't bother to answer because I will not respond, I do not have time for nutty games.

On 5/21/2021 at 2:17 AM, Arauna said:

It is not name calling - it is diagnoses........ hate which is OCD.

You are so funny Arauna. Every time you say 'I will not respond'  but then you do.   Have a nice day. 

You webpage looks very dark with the black background, to the point of looking evil. 

You call it JW Forum but is it GB approved ?  The Devil works in many ways, even pretending to work against himself. 

I think you are from your father the Devil. 

On 5/20/2021 at 9:55 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

And if it should turn out that he hasn’t done this, that there are more survivors than she envisioned, where’s the beef?

But isn't the GB / W/t teaching that one 'has to be a baptised JW to be saved' ?  This is a serious question Tom ? 

So will you give us your personal opinion ?  What do YOU teach others ? Is it only God's 'real' enemies, those in direct opposition, that will be killed, or, is it all non JWs that will  be killed ?  

The fact that JWs on this forum call us non JWs 'enemies of God' or 'apostates', seems to answer the question quite well but it would be nice to know how JWs really feel. But then it would also be nice to know who on here are genuine JWs  

On 5/20/2021 at 4:45 AM, Arauna said:

Most apostates have hate-OCD.  It seems you fall in that category. Don't bother to answer because I will not respond, I do not have time for nutty games.

Wow more name calling from a 'non-judgmental' 'peace loving' JW. A JW that likes to presume that I hate people. A JW that is obsessed with OCD. And it seems all JWs are brainwashed into calling non JWs apostates and trolls. 

However, I only hate what Almighty God and Jesus Christ hate. But unfortunately the words and actions of the GB of W/t, CCJW, JW Org, are proven to be things that both God and Christ would hate. 

So I did a little bit of digging as to this name above.

Among their corporations, the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses cares for matters specific to Jehovah's Witnesses special full-time servants. In a particular branch, traveling overseers, special pioneers, and branch staff are considered members of the Order of Special Full-time Servants and the Bethel Family.^[16] Globally, their order is the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses.^[17] Male and female members of such religious orders typically make a formal vow of poverty and are granted certain status and exemptions by many governments. While Jehovah's Witnesses do not consider members of their religious orders to be a clergy separate from other Witnesses, who are also ordained ministers, they do recognize that a government may consider them such for administrative purposes.

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The Order of Special Full-Time Servants appears to be a religious order of Jehovah's Witnesses. What is a religious order in the context of Witness theology? Is it theologically meaningful at all? To what purpose do people join this order? When do they leave? (Do they leave?) How does the whole thing work?

 yb95 pp. 5-6 Jehovah’s Witnesses—1995 Yearbook Report ***

Among the full-time workers were 15,145 members of the global Bethel family. They help to provide literature, supervision, and other beneficial services in support of the worldwide work of Bible education. Of these, 5,082 serve at the world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, and at nearby facilities. All of them are members of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, a religious order that is devoted exclusively to the ministry.

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Unfortunately a lot of info' / web pages are blocked from UK viewers. So it was difficult to get any real details. 

Yes I did try JW Org site, but no results came up. But once again I didn't see the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses  connected to the  W&BTS ??? 

https://rcbizjournal.com/2021/05/18/ramapo-now-accepting-public-comment-on-proposed-jehovahs-witnesses-hq-in-sloatsburg/

A DEIS Hearing Will Be Held May 26;  Public Comments Period Ends June 21

The Town of Ramapo will be accepting public comment on the proposed new World Headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses Audio/Video Production Center now that the DEIS (Draft Environmental Impact Statement) is complete. There is a DEIS hearing on May 26 and public comments will be accepted until June 21.

The 1.7 million square-foot project, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, is slated for 155 Sterling Mine Road in largely Sloatsburg and partly in Tuxedo in Orange County. Of the 249 acres, 242 are located in Ramapo; the balance is in Tuxedo. The Tuxedo portion of land will be used for secondary driveway access.

The religious order, known as the Worldwide Order of Special Full Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses, is hoping to build an A/V production center with audio and video production studios and facilities to support operations of the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The facilities include offices, maintenance and set production workshops, and a central chilled/hot water plant with geothermal heat recovery system. Accommodations for resident staff include 645 residential units (545 one-bedroom and 100 studio units), dining/assembly spaces,  recreation/wellness/fitness facilities, and a clinic.

( Is this a new title for some of the JWs ? And if so why ?  I have said before they have many different Orgs. )

The religious order purchased the land in 2009 for $11.5 million.

The proposed live/work facility is integral to the religious missionary and educational work of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Occupants will be members of the Order, all of whom are adults without minor children who live under a vow of obedience and poverty, or adult religious volunteers, who will be assisting on a short-term basis.

So, whos wording is this ? I've only copied and pasted it. I did note is says Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses, not servants of GOD. 

So is this no part of the Watchtower Society either then ? 

15 hours ago, Arauna said:

Your personal (and very important!) opinion!...... that is why you spend your time trolling websites like this!  LOL

Oh dear, well it's a bit different to being called an apostate, I'm now being called a troll. You do let your emotions over rule your common sense, but then the truth always hurts JWs. 

15 hours ago, Arauna said:

That means we are not robots as your type try to insinuate.

Split personalities it seems. Serve the GB by preaching what you are told to preach, but then not believe what you are preaching. I think @JW Insider has given examples of this in the past. 

Sorry for all the smiley faces, but this is all so funny about the names and AKA's. 

It's sad that some on here have lost family members and close friends in death. The hope of the resurrection is real of course but the loss is still heavy on the heart.  

23 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

On 5/19/2021 at 7:31 AM, Matthew9969 said:

However my sis believed she did not want to be in paradise with nothing but jws' around.

You’re joking! She’d rather be dead forever?

This is a good point from both sides. My wife and I love to be together, but apart from everyone else. We just like our time together, just the two of us. We never did like meetings, too may people, too much noise. We are not ones for going to mass gatherings. Attending assemblies, especially when the five children were young, was horrid.  So maybe we wouldn't enjoy the 'paradise' so much  .   Unless we were given a small plot of land away from 'the madding crowd'.  But then some folks on here tell me I won't get the chance anyway.................. 

It's quite funny to read here JWs are disagreeing with each other over many things.  Well those who say they are JWs anyway. They even disagree with each other over the history of their own religion.  Carry on folks it's good for a laugh. 

On 5/18/2021 at 2:40 PM, Anna said:

We're not changing any teachings silly, we are changing our understanding of them. 

Not true. The GB / Leaders of the multi Orgs are changing the meanings of Jesus' words. Because by changing so called 'understanding' they are changing what is being preached or taught. Hence they destroy old books and and replace with different teachings. I think they even try to pretend now that all JWs are part of the 'body of Christ'. 

On 5/17/2021 at 3:21 PM, Anna said:

I remember reading about something like this in Franz's book but I don't think it was a decision regarding the signs in the heavens but a decision about something else that impacted a lot of people, negatively unfortunately. All because of one person changing his mind...

On 5/17/2021 at 4:26 PM, Anna said:

P.S. This book seems like the 1971 version of today's "Pure Worship" book (except of course with some significant changes...)

So what does this tell us ?  It tells us that the GB are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit. It tells us that a lot of people are influenced by the GB's false teachings. And it tells us that significant changes in teachings and direction are constantly happening in the JW Org.  Did Jesus change his teachings ?  Should we change the teachings of Jesus ?  

And you don't think a True Anointed are needed to give inspired direction ? 

13 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I don’t hate you.

No ? Oh, then you must just enjoy calling me names.   

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

And if this is the case, it is more than “an apostate lie” that ‘Patiently Sitting on My Hands’ champions. It is “a despicable apostate lie.”

So who is the apostate mentioned here ?  Me or the reporter ?  The word 'apostate' gets thrown around so much that it has lost it's meaning. 

But I suppose you and others will go back to arguing about that year 1914 and about when Armageddon will arrive. 

And I WILL continue to be Patiently waiting for Truth.  Whereas JWs would prefer to continue to preach the GB's lies. 

@TrueTomHarley you are good for a laugh. And you certainly hate me, which I find amusing.  Keep it up old chap  

But @Pudgy , you talk about other people's insecurity, yet you find the need to pretend you are a dog  . Oh dear... 

The words of Jesus recorded at Matthew 24 v 22 

"In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short".

I think this scripture is interesting in many ways. Firstly it shows the importance of the Chosen Ones to God and Christ. So should those Chosen Ones not be important to all true Christians ? 

Secondly, does this not wipe out any reason for looking at dates or times ? A certain person quite new to this forum, or maybe just an AKA, seems to think he/she knows the exact year of Armageddon. But of what use would it be of knowing, when this scripture says "those days will be cut short" ? Surely God or Christ will assess the situation as time passes. 

But the main point here is that God and/or Christ will act on behalf of the Chosen Ones. 

Berean Literal Bible
And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the elect, those days will be shortened.

On 4/28/2021 at 10:51 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

The scriptures speak so assuredly of persecution. For example: “All those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.” 2 Tim 3:12.

IN ASSOCIATION WITH CHRIST JESUS, just in case you missed that. It doesn't say in association with the  Watchtower or JW Org.  But once again that scripture is for the True Anointed ones. It is the 'body of Christ' that is 'in association with' Christ Jesus. 

You do know that God intends to shorten the 'last days' of Armageddon on account of those True Anointed ones, don't you ? 

Matthew 24 : ²²  In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short."

On 5/15/2021 at 1:14 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

Once again, the story was posted here by a dodo who presents his wishful thinking as though it was fact.

 

It was posted just as 'something different'. It gets boring reading people arguing over dates and insulting each other, and when a person acts like a dog well ................ So it was just something a bit different. 

And as for "

On 5/15/2021 at 1:14 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

”We would like to state that at no time did the Coroner find that opportunities existed and/or were missed by any individual or group to prevent the murder.”

1. Coroner

   A coroner is a government or judicial official who is empowered to conduct or order an inquest into the manner or cause of death, and to investigate or confirm the identity of an unknown person who has been found dead within the coroner's jurisdiction.

    

   Is it the Coroner's job to state if  opportunities existed and/or were missed ? I wouldn't think so.

    

   How can a person examining a dead body, know if opportunities existed to prevent the murder ? But you need to pick up on it Tom, as you need every straw to grasp don't you ?  

    

    

    

On 5/15/2021 at 9:42 AM, Witness said:

Just a question for you, sir if you're still around.  You wouldn't be a legal monitor for the Wt, would you? 🤔

 

Well I have previously said they have spies on here  

On 5/15/2021 at 4:27 AM, Alex Jade said:

Can you provide a link or a person, where people are selling Watchtower Literature on eBay and elsewhere?

https://www.ebay.com/b/Antiquarian-Collectible-Books-Jehovah-Witness-Watchtower/29223/bn_55470279

Very poor excuses Billy. Quite funny when old JW books are for sale on ebay  and elsewhere.

14 hours ago, Arauna said:

There is a turn against christianity all over.  They are preparing us for the persecution.  Old books can give one away.

There will be 'persecution' of the GB, the Watchtower, the CCJW and JW Org, but it will not be because they serve God properly. And they have destroyed the evidence of witnesses of CSA, evidence given to Elders behind closed doors. THAT is what would give the GB et al away. 

But can you not understand one reason for the 'turn against Christianity' (and all other religions), when ALL so called religions are trying to hide pedophiles in their organisations and all religions are telling lies. 

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/victim-tewkesbury-child-abuser-eunice-5396766

A victim of Tewkesbury child abuser Eunice Spry is to tell his story on national TV.

He was taken away from his parents, who could not look after him at the age of three. He was placed in the care of Eunice Spry, a pillar of the Jehovah's Witness community, at her Gloucestershire home.

Poor @TrueTomHarley. He has nothing intelligent to write but he feels left out if he doesn't write something. 

On 5/10/2021 at 12:03 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

Why do I have the irresistible urge to start a new account?

You probably have ten accounts already Tom.  I may change my AKA but I only have one account. 

As for the True Anointed, I hope you will be ready to submit to their direction, because their direction WILL be inspired by God's Holy Spirit, unlike your GB that are tossed about like the waves of the sea. I wonder if you will have too much pride to change direction when the time comes.