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WHAT COMPLET HYPOCRISY. This truly shows the GB / Watchtower / JW Org for what they really are.
16 hours ago, Isabella said:The organisation says it will sign up because of new rules introduced by the federal government, which mean it would lose its charity status - and subsequent tax exemptions - for continuing to hold out.
It's all about the money, money, money. They do not care about people.
16 hours ago, Isabella said:"Jehovah's Witnesses believe that it is their responsibility before God to respect and co-operate with the authorities."
BUT they didn't 'believe that' earlier, when money wasn't involved.
THIS IS WHO YOU SERVE JWs. THESE ARE YOUR MASTERS, YOUR GB AND THEIR LAWYERS AND THEIR NON ANOINTED HELPERS.
- Srecko Sostar and Witness
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But back on track. Miracles and being inspired of God's Holy spirit.
It seems that most JWs on here DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD POURING OUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT 'in the last days'.
They do not believe that anyone will be inspired. WHY ? Because the GB of the Watchtower / JW Org only teaches physical things, not spiritual things.
Joel 2 : 28
Berean Study Bible
And afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.Acts 2 : 17
Berean Study Bible
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.So, are we in those LAST DAYS ? Well the Watchtower keeps saying we are.
So are you calling God a liar concerning the pouring out of His spirit ?
Zechariah 8 : 23
Berean Study Bible
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”That Jew is the TRUE Anointed. So will you be one of those 'ten men' ?
You of little faith. JWs that pretend to believe in God through Christ. In fact you do not believe in either God or Christ. You put your faith in MEN. Your GB and your Watchtower Society / JW Org, are your gods.
That is why you do not believe in the miracle of God's Holy Spirit.
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On 3/2/2021 at 11:48 AM, Anna said:
The whole world screwed up. It was because the way things were done back then, that the ARC had to be set up. There are no loopholes in Jehovah's law, however, because of loopholes in secular law we were not able to do things properly.
Excuses excuses. Congregants would be d/fed for a hundred different reasons, BUT Elders and others were not d/fed for CSA. They were kept hidden in the congregations.
BUT I've still not had any true answers as to how Australia had more that 50 years worth of Pedophilia records, which it seems they handed over.
And America, where the Org began, pretends to only have 25 years of Pedophilia records on data base. AND I still haven't heard that your GB has handed all that data base over to the Superior Authorities.
Add to this, that up until February last year (Pre-Covid virus) the GB were going to be arrested in connection with CSA. But it's all gone quiet now. i wonder why ? A very big back hander payout maybe ?????
Is the new American president going to legalize Child sex ? I would not be at all surprised.
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8 hours ago, Arauna said:8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:
people can be "inspired" by God today.
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You see @Srecko Sostar some of these JWs do not believe in miracles, even if they pretend to.
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7 hours ago, xero said:
A lot of these nut jobs remind me of
xero is here pretending to be a JW Elder. Oh dear, well if he is a JW Elder it shows the very low level of JW Elders.
But i suppose he is just doing what JWs do, following the GB. Remember it is the GB that say some of the Anointed are mentally ill, or nut jobs as xero calls them here.
xero, you show yourself for what you are it seems.
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8 hours ago, Arauna said:
When a miracle is an unexplained event which is beneficial then....sure I do believe in miracles.
Maybe a few will happen before Armageddon
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8 hours ago, xero said:
The only reason people argue against these accounts when it comes down to it is that they 1. Don't believe God Exists 2. Therefore miracles don't happen.
Yes, a wonderful thought indeed, BUT, even JWs on here don't seem to believe in miracles anymore.
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8 hours ago, César Chávez said:13 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:
Isn't this the scripture which is false ?
It would be false if you don't understand its context John.
My point is that you pretend to be a JW, BUT the NWT does not include that scripture and you as a JW should know that.
So, who do you believe, your GB's Bible or some other Bible ?
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8 hours ago, César Chávez said:
You fall under the unrepentant category so, your substance is zero.
Um interesting that you judge me. BUT I repent of my sins to Almighty God through Jesus Christ, as I should.
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11 hours ago, Arauna said:
john 8:7 "7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Yes but it is not in the NWT because it is supposed to be a false scripture ??????
John 8 starts at verse 12.
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On 3/1/2021 at 6:44 AM, xero said:
I'd say also to counteract the demon-posessed who keep running after Jesus.
Please explain this comment.
We ARE supposed to serve God through Jesus Christ.
John 14 : 6
Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Go careful xero, you may be showing your true colours here.
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On 3/1/2021 at 2:48 AM, TrueTomHarley said:
The internet is inherently a lawless place, where nobody’s identity is known for sure, where it is so easy to hide who and what you are, where rocks lurk to rip the bottom from your love feast boat, where there is no spiritual food, where there is no stabilizing presence of elders, and where any claim of anyone who says he is an elder is unverifiable. Do you think that which is crooked can be made straight
This sounds like you are actually writing about a Kingdom Hall.
where nobody’s identity is known for sure, where it is so easy to hide who and what you are,
How true that is. Because you and others don't think sins should be confessed, so Elders and congregants hide all their sins. And even when congregants (or Elders?) are reproved, no one knows why, so the sins are still hidden. Hence congregants and Elders can still hide who they really are, and of course this has led to so much CSA in congregations.
where there is no spiritual food, Now that's for sure. The 'food' coming from men that are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit, and possibly written by men that are not of the Anointed.
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On 2/28/2021 at 3:43 PM, César Chávez said:
Now those skeletons TTH speaks of, are they real, made up, or exaggerated by the whim of ex-witnesses. Either way, its NO one's business unless it becomes an unrepentant sin, by a hardened and combative, individual.
James 5 : 16
Therefore, openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. A righteous man’s supplication has a powerful effect.
CC disagreeing with God's word.
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On 2/28/2021 at 11:29 AM, César Chávez said:
So, John 8:7 would be of no consequence to you
Isn't this the scripture which is false ?
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On 2/28/2021 at 10:23 AM, TrueTomHarley said:
The reason there is an expression “skeletons in the closet” is that throughout history, people have succeeded in keeping them there. It is only in modern times that any sin of any degree is expected to be reported to others.
Proverbs 28 : 13
The one covering over his transgressions will not succeed, But whoever confesses and abandons them will be shown mercy.
1 John 1 : 9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
James 5 : 16
Therefore, openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. A righteous man’s supplication has a powerful effect.
It seems that Tom disagrees with scripture.
But to be fair, i believe the scriptures are for the True Anointed remnant. Can you imagine everyone in a congregation confessing their sins to each other
. I confessed one of my sins in a group study once and everyone looked horified.
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22 hours ago, Arauna said:
I feel the law is acting unjustly by retroactively blaming organizations when they themselves were to blame for the confusion in the first place.
But how do you feel about the GB / Lawyers not handing over the 25 year Pedophile database in USA ?
How do you feel that here in UK the UK Bethel didn't want to hand over their Pedophile information, to the point that the info' was only handed over (o rmaybe only a small amount of the info') after the court told them to ?
How do you feel the GB Layews that have deliberately lied in courtrooms ?
How do you feel about Elders using clergy penitent privilege in court ?
how do you feel about compensation being paid to victims of CSA in the JW Org / Watchtower ?
Those are important points, because those points will show how much of a 'Christian' you are.
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22 hours ago, César Chávez said:
When did Jesus make it known, every sit down with the apostles were supposed to be a public forum or disclosure.
Mathew 18 : 16 & 17
But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'every word may be strengthened upon the testimony of two or three witnesses.'And if he fails to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he fails to listen to even to the church, let him be to you as the pagan and the tax collector.
Or NWT
“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault* between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter* may be established.p 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nationsq and as a tax collector.
We are not talking about everyday conversation, we are talking about SIN in the congregation.
Also i think the apostle Paul made it known
1 Corrinthians 5 v 1
Actually sexual immoralitya is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife.
So, once again it seems your GB / Org do not obey scripture 'as they see it', because they do it all in secret.
We are not talking Data protection here, we are talking obeying God.
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22 hours ago, César Chávez said:
when witnesses don't understand the laws of the land,
JWs or not, the laws of the land are different in different Lands.
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23 hours ago, xero said:
Making anyone a mandated reporter...just what we need, more Karen's bothering people because they are not happy if someone isn't as miserable as they are
NOW THIS IS WHAT A CURRENT ELDER THINK OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN JW ORG CONGREGATIONS. AS I'VE SAID BEFORE THE ORG JUST LOOK AT VICTIMS OF CSA AS BEING COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
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7 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:
A member has every right to go to the police and by doing so, they bring no reproach at all on the congregation.
My point was, should the victim / victims parents NOT discuss it with the Elders first ? I know that victims were 'given permission' to go to the police / authorities, but my point here is, whether the Elders should be informed before or after going for outside help, or should the Elders not be involved at all ?
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7 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:
Case in point.
(Forgive me. I admit it is a cheap shot.)
touche'
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8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:
Often we hear that the truth is like that—that we have to be at just the turning-point moment of dissatisfaction, even crisis.
8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:It is the reason I think the anti-cult movement is so corrosive. Explaining himself to a too-receptive Katie Couric, the CultExpert says: “People are in vulnerable moments in their life where they’ll be more receptive to a recruitment message or recruiter
8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:because I had no idea where I was going. Studying the Bible with subsequent baptism brought an overwhelming sense of being where I knew I belonged.
You said 'because I had no idea where I was going.'
Then you said 'that we have to be at just the turning-point moment of dissatisfaction, even crisis.'
But then you seem to criticise this Cult expert for saying "People are in vulnerable moments in their life where they’ll be more receptive to a recruitment message or recruiter"
So, is the Cult Expert right ? Are most people that start studying with JWs, at a moment of dissatisfaction, in a vulnerable moment in their life ?
Personally I think all people of working classes / lower classes are permanently in a vulnerable position. Even more so in some countries.
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@TrueTomHarley Wow, I'm shocked at getting a polite reply as you seem to think i can't 'think my wayf out of a paper bag'.
But the exact point of conflict comes when a person / victim / victim's parent, reports CSA or any other problem to an Elder of a congregation. If the Elder chooses not to act on the report, for any reason, then the report is 'dead in the water', gone, forgotton. No matter what laws are in place, the Elders of congregations are the ones, at the moment, to have to make decisions. So, should it be the victim / victim's parents, that go straight to the Police, without going to the Elders ?
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Yes, but none of you have any true answers as to why your GB / Leaders have got it wrong so many times, when they say they are the Faithful and Discreet slave.
Is God or Christ telling them lies ? If the GB / Leaders of the Watchtower are supposed to be the true source of spiritual food, then who is telling lies ? Why would God or Christ mislead your GB / Leaders ?
The real reason is, of course, that your GB / Leaders are fake. They are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit because they are not the F&DS. And you JWs are so hurt by those facts that you have to pretend you have answers. You have to keep serving Men, because it's all you know how to do.