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16 hours ago, Thinking said:
Do you think Jehovah lacks the power to correct the errors you talk about?
Once again a JW sidetracks and does not answer the questions.
But no matter as i proved the point I was making. The GB and others ARE jealous of the True Anointed ones.
Thinking, I know Almighty God has the power, and I know He will work through Jesus Christ, and i have previously said what i think God will do in this case.
But please remember that John Butler was removed from this forum for saying just that.
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7 hours ago, xero said:
Perhaps some do dedicate to an organization. But the same can be said for a true believer anywhere. People are always making idols out of something, someone or even some idea.
Whomever you obey, you worship. So if you find yourself obeying and internally transferring the authority to command away from Jehovah or Jesus or the Bible, then you're in dangerous territory.
Um, sounds reasonable but JWs DO get baptised into the JW Org.
NO mention of : Matthew 28 v 19. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, .."
That is such a simple but direct instruction, BUT the JW org refuse to follow it.
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@xero Hogwash as usual. And you never even tried to answer the questions, you just sidetracked as most JWs do.
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If one dedicated their life to God then one should care for the body as well as the 'spirit'. But as JWs dedicate their lives to the JW Org I suppose they don't care.
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I wonder if it's more anti-America than anti Christianity.
The Watchtower / JW Org is seen as being an 'American' religion.
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10 hours ago, Thinking said:
Every man and his dog on line now claims to be anointed....it’s hard to take any of them serious...why on earth would he or any one be jealous of them??.
Why on Earth would the GB suddenly decide that ONLYTHEY are the Faithful and discreet Slave ? When the teaching was that ALL ANOINTED ONES were the Faithful and discreet Slave
Why on Earth would the GB then say that the Anointed SHOULD NOT GATHER TOGETHER as it would be WORKING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT ?
Why ? Well I think it shows jealousy or fear on the part of the GB and maybe others too.
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14 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:
No. She is not absolutely right about the “hypocrisy.” She does not forgive it. She too quickly converts human inadequacy into hypocrisy. She does the very opposite of Jesus when confronted with the “hypocrisy” of his twelve. He forgives them up to 77 times. He patiently corrects them once again when, on the night he knows he is to die, they have begun squabbling over who is the greater—the most childish of concerns.
Oh dear tom, twisting things again.
The comparison is not with the Twelve. The comparison is with the Pharisees. And if you know your bible you will know what Jesus called the Pharisees.
The Twelve were learning something new, a totally different way of life. They were not the teacher.
The Pharisees were well established and were supposed to know and teach the way of God.
The Watchtower / JW organisation are well established and should know and be teaching the way of God.
There is a correct comparison.
Witness is right about the hypocrisy.
17 hours ago, xero said:I don't fault those leaving because of any pain they've suffered at the hands of those they'd come to trust.
I think you totally miss the point, and i think many JWs twist things in this way, but the reason for leaving would more likely be, coming to understand that neither God or Christ are leading the Watchtower / JW org.
I find it funny ( because I have the strength of faith in God through Christ ) that JWs have to lay the blame on those that LEAVE.
The Twelve disciples and may others LEFT the Jewish 'way of life' to follow Christ and to serve God properly.
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19 hours ago, Anna said:
So by saying "because Jehovah hasn't decided yet" you are throwing the ball back in their court and maybe "shaming" them into realizing that the man they are judging as unqualified, may in fact be more spiritually minded than them.
I think you just like playing games. I think it is an insult to God. But then a lot of what JWs do is an insult to God and Christ.
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9 hours ago, Anna said:
Perfect! 👍👏
Oh dear, surely you don't still believe that God chooses the Elders.
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8 hours ago, JW Insider said:
I think you would have removed several of the apostles from this designation if you had lived in the first century. When Jesus failed to perform any significant miracles in his hometown (Mark 6:5) I can just see you saying: "Well, it's not him, we still have to wait for a True Anointed. Maybe in 5 to 10 years."
How sad you are, having to twist even the scriptures to suit your purpose.
Like I've said of you before, you sit on the fence, not knowing which way to turn. You say you are an Insider, giving information, but you are too frightened to stop serving your GB. And you, like all other JWs, seem jealous of the Anointed.
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8 hours ago, xero said:
So I'm used to taking a "What can I learn from this situation?"
Yes I did all that stuff. Humility is good, but after a few years and also seeing poor sisters moaned at because their children were unsettled in the meetings, I could see that the Elders were 'lording it over the congregation'.
I was refused baptism by two Elders in a previous congregation, a father and son that 'ran' that congregation. Then when they 'told' me I was ready, I actually wasn't, but i was humble and got baptised when they said. One Elder in that congregation later committed suicide, whilst his wife was at a meeting. He always seemed to be more friendly than the others and it was a big shock.
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8 hours ago, xero said:
It takes a lot of work. I have been called in to salute the flag on a few instances.
(I kept my fingers crossed)
In the height of summer here in England, the Elders would moan at me for not wearing a jacket and tie to the meetings. So Who makes the jacket and tie rules ? For sure it's not in God's written word. No praise for actually being at the meeting with my wife and five children, just complaint about the way I was dressed. That's one small example of what I mean about Elders being policemen.
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10 hours ago, Anna said:
Yes, this clarification is important.
Unfortunately, those who are taking the lead, and believe they are in charge of producing food at the proper time, feel, and have felt, the need to put their hope into a definite prediction of sorts, rather than just talking about a hope.....that is sometime in the future. Hence we have a reworking of the 'Generation' although as far as I am aware no one requested "new light" on this.
And this is what shows that they are NOT the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
11 hours ago, JW Insider said:Hoping for the end implies faithfulness and humility. Predicting a specific time period for the end implies presumptuousness and haughtiness.
Once again, showing that all of those that have made predictions, are not of the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
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11 hours ago, xero said:
I haven't enforced any GB rules. Just what's in the bible.
Then you are a most unusual Elder indeed
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8 hours ago, xero said:
Whatever others have done makes no difference to me. The context makes it clear that NOT ONE of those counted righteous had a clue anyone was in some special "Christ's Brothers" category. One flock, one shepherd. Be decent to each other and don't cop a superior attitude.
Jesus said “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold;n those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.
I find it funny how JWs always, only quote the tiny bit of a scripture, as it suits them.
Anyway, I have 5 ebay parcels to pack, and as this conversation has no spiritual imput then i'll leave you to it.
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8 hours ago, xero said:
I was wondering when we'd get to the implicit nazi collaboration comparisons.
If you wish to consider yourself in that way, so be it.
But the Elders do have to act like policemen in the congregation. Now here in the UK. laws are made, and the police have to carry out those laws. So it is in the Watchtower / JW Org. The GB makes rules and the Elders have to enforce those rules.
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8 hours ago, xero said:
I've always been interested in comma placement theory, and though the context suggests (and what I've researched in lexicons) like the "truly I tell you today ,(COMMA) you will be w/me in paradise" it makes me think a person could interpret this as "To the extent you did it to these least ones,(COMMA) my brothers,(COMMA) you did it to me" as a welcoming into the family. "Welcome BROTHERS!"
Yes, but then JWs have always misused scripture.
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8 hours ago, xero said:
BTW - You know you've gotten into one of those stupid internet discussions as soon as you see people parsing people's words like they're playing checkers w/someone in the park. Hopping ...over...phrases.
Well I like to actually read what a person writes, then think on it, then reply. In this comment here I've no idea what you are saying. As for your previous comment, it is just JW waffle. You are an Elder, you know what goes on and you will also know what has gone on in the past. If you don't know, then you belong to an Organisation that you know nothing about. Add to that, that you are a 'police officer' with certain powers, in an Org that you know nothing about.
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@xero you seem 'ruffled'. I for one am not of the Anointed.
I fully believe that the scriptures were and are written for the True Anointed ones. But I continue to see that JWs, maybe especially the GB and others in charge, including Elders, show jealousy toward the Anointed ones.
Go careful because you deliberately didn't continue this scripture for fear of it applying to you. Matt 25 41 - 46
“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” -
8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:
Attacking Jehovah’s Witnesses appears to be your sole concern. It does not matter to you if you sell out God in the process.
You see, here you go again. Another attack. You know that what you say is not true, but you still have to say it don't you ?
Maybe you have been here too long, that is your choice.
I attack the things that Jesus attacked, so I do not 'sell out' Almighty God in the process.
8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:That makes you just another “ignorant moron” in his eyes.
Yes but then you think the same of me, and constantly say so.
9 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:Yet you are thick as thieves with him,
Please show me where and how.
9 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:approving any anti-spiritual diatribe of his,
And you can quote an example of this ?
As far as it seems to me, he is an Atheist. So there is no way I'm going to agree with him about spiritual matters.
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18 hours ago, xero said:
Now the tough nut, is just how much diversity of conscience and diversity of opinion as to what is an absolute requirement to be considered faithful by Jesus, not by some external entity are we willing to tolerate?
Well it seems as if JWs have no conscience about Child Sexual Abuse Earthwide within the Watchtower/JW Org. JWs just brush it off by saying, 'Well no one is perfect'.
And it seems that JWs have no conscience about teaching lies to people on the door to door ministry.
Actually i don't know what JWs do have a conscience about.
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17 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:
Plan as if Alan will be out of your hair tomorrow. Live as if you know he won’t be.
But of course you are not an attack dog are you.
WATCHTOWER, 1991 - "HOW TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT RELIGION"
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Yes indeed Anna. But isn't it strange that as we are nearer to Armageddon and we need to be more united, the GB place more restrictions on the Anointed ones, and more restrictions on anyone asking the Anointed ones questions.
Why would the GB do that ?