Patiently waiting for Truth

16 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Please don’t tell me that you have kept your online hate campaign a secret from your wife, perhaps giving her to think that maybe you are just “discouraged” and might respond to shepherding.

@TrueTomHarley  I honestly cannot make any sense from your sarcastic comment so I will try to break it down to reason on it.

online hate campaign    Romans 12 :9  "Love must be sincere. Detest what is evil; cling to what is good." 

I hate what should be hated.   But i close no doors.  My wife knows that i have a love for God and Christ. She also knows the truth about the Watchtower Soc  / GB / JW Org.  

16 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Assuming that she has both oars in the water, there is no way she would not have known that the tirades you continually express would not result in congregational disapproval.

Tom this honestly makes no sense to me.  When I was a JW my behaviour was polite and loving to all in the congregation, except the Elders.  I treated the Elders with caution but not rudeness.  Then i did three months research, and through prayer and personal Bible study, I came to my own conclution as to what i must do.  Knowing that the Elders would disapprove of my action and would announce by their 'normal method', I privately told a few brothers individually, of my plan to leave the Org, and gave them my reasons.  I then emailed my resignation to as many elders as possible giving them my reasons for leaving.  

Your comment seems to be mixing up my time in the congregation, with my time on here.  There is no connection between the two.  Of course people presume that i was disfellowshipped, that is the whole idea, from your GB, to announce it from the platform as the Elders do.  And this Elder that phoned my wife made it very clear that it is for that purpose.  Because the Elders, taking instruction from the GB, through the ranks, are told to make it look so.  

16 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

No one here has heard any witnessing at all out of you. Your only “witness” is to accuse Jehovah’s organization.

is to accuse.  I think what I've done in many instances, is to state facts.  And in many cases I've used scripture from God's word to prove things.  

Jehovah’s organization. That is a matter of oppinion.  The Nation of Israel was God's chosen nation, BUT we all know that said nation did not serve God properly. To the extent that they murdered Jesus Christ, and God had that Nation destroyed physically and spiritually.  So just because an organisation gives itself a name that represents God, it does not mean that said organistion is serving God properly, or that said organisation has the approval of God or Christ. 

You mock my idea of a True Anointed, but you know that I am not anointed, nor do I pretend to be.  So, i am not pushing myself forward, i am not saying I am special. Unlike the GB who DO push themselves forward by stating that only they are the F&DS, and only they are God's spokesperson on Earth, and only they should be believed, WHILST they are  treading down all of their Fellow Slaves, as mentioned in scripture. 

Coffee time.  Have a good day Tom.   Christian love to all. 

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

You sound like a family member of Noah..... 120 years.  Many years preaching and preparing the physical "sign" in front of them BUT their hearts remained like a stone.

Only when the rain started coming did they realize this is it because they had never seen rain before.  In about 7 months time I would like to see your observations and your scoffing again.   No signs EH? 

The horses which started running in 1914 is running much faster now and gaining momentum. Pangs of distress is already every minute....... 

 

There are those JW threats again, that never stop.  

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

I thing this is deceitful of you to say this.   I think you will find fault just because he dared to call about you.  The smallest thing will make you mad.

If you say this about me, then you also say this about my wife, because the main reason of this topic is to prove how this Elder treated my wife.  It was Me that first answered the phone, but He asked to speak to my wife. If his interest was for me then he could have spoken to me directly.  But he was a coward.  

However none of it makes me mad. I said it is of concern to me.  It does however give me more grounds to distrust him and other Elders. 

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

and now we are under world-wide lockdown and you are still scoffing....

I am not scoffing, but when an organisation cries wolf many times and there is no wolf, then trust runs out.

I know it's coming, but it's coming  'as a thief in the night'  and we do not know 'the day or the hour'.  So i don't think an Elder should say it is months not years. As i said we will continue to disagree. 

WW1 happened because of the invention of machines, vehicles, aeroplanes, bombs, machine guns, all improved weapons of war, so it made war easier and more able to cover larger areas. 

Lockdown is due to a virus, either man made or accidental. But lockdown is because of the knoledge of how the virus spreads and therefore trying to stop it.  

I will not read into things to try to pretend they represent phrophecy ........... 

10 hours ago, Arauna said:

Of course he is thinking that things can escalate very quickly...... once the UN has their way and turn against all religion ....  things will move pretty fast

I know that you have a vast knowledge of politics and you know much about the world, things in which i take little interest. And i know that the scriptures tell us to 'keep awake'. So I will not disagree with you on such matters.  I have no idea how fast things will move. But, we will continue to disagree about what part the Watchtower / JW org will play in the outcome of things. 

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

He has not condemned you

That is so funny  .   Then it seems you believe he has the authority to condemn me. 

Why would i need to 'have a change of heart' about the sins commited by the GB and all those supporting the GB ? 

Arauna, I love God and Christ, but i do not need to be judged by Elders of the Watchtower / JW org. 

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

He is trying to wake you up as time is running out.

It seems that 'time has been running out' since 1914 according to the Watchtower / JW Org. 

Of course i believe in the coming Judgement / Armageddon, because that is from scripture, not from the GB  / Org. But it is not the Elder's place to pretend he knows when the End is coming.  My wife may be deeply worried now when she really has no need to worry.  My faith is in God through Christ, and that is how I will be judged. 

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

On the other hand, since you carry on endlessly that he and his are full of BS, what do you care?

Besides, “basically” condemning you to death is not actually condemning you to death—you know he didn’t phrase it that way. He may think of it that way, barring your (astronomically) unlikely repentance, but if so, that will be because JWs are a “one true faith” religion, and there are many of those.

What is this guy—a glutton for punishment? Look, save him the trip, will you?  Put him in the know. If he will call back, it is because  he is concerned about your spiritual well-being, and you should tell him not to waste his time because you are well beyond caring what he says.

Or rather, don’t tell him. Just call his attention to your performance here, and he will get the point. Make sure to tell him about how you believe we may just be a few short years, even months, to the end, with no anointed at all to help us out, but you are confident that the “True anointed” will manifest itself from nowhere and, as it were, slide into home plate with just minutes to spare in order to save the day.

I have added a bit to my original comment to show that the Elder actually said Armageddon is only months away not years away. And no, i hadn't read your comment before adding that point. 

But, point 1, you obviously didn't bother to read what i wrote.  He upset my wife and that is what bothers me.  For myself I just laugh at it all. 

Point 2.  When a person is disfellowshipped it is 'supposed to be' for sinning against God and not being repentant.  Whereas he knows the true reason i left the immoral organisation of JWs.  It is the GB and their supporting JWs that sin against God much more than i do. I ask forgiveness of my sins through prayer to God through Christ, so God or Christ can judge me. I don't need JW Elders to judge me. 

Point 3. I have no need to be concerned of his feelings. My wife has now told me that she no longer wishes to converse with any JW that may phone, and I am able to stand my ground with any of them. I can be polite but assertive because i know that they have no authority from God or Christ. 

Point 4. Just because you have no faith does not mean that things cannot be achieved by God through Christ.  The world is wicked enough for God to destroy it right now, but there is no True Organisation serving God properly.  

Do you ever read scripture ? Do you ever have spiritual thoughts ? 

Luke 19 : 39 & 40

However, some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to him: “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” ⁴⁰  But in reply he said: “I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out.”

Ye of little faith, Tom and others.   God will always provide exactly what is needed.  A True Anointed to serve Him through Christ. Not elders that threaten women on the phone.  

This is of no concern to me BUT it did upset my wife. And when an Elder upsets my wife THAT IS of concern to me. 

An Elder phoned today asking to speak to my wife. I called my wife to the phone then I left the room.  The phone conversation was quite long and during that conversation the Elder said to my wife that I am disfellowshipped. My wife replied that I wasn't disfellowshipped but that i had disassociated myself from the Organisation. The Elder replied "It all means the same to us". 

Just think on that for a while. ...........  That Elder has basically condemned me to death....  Then at the end of the phone call he said he may phone me to try to talk me into going back.  Oh dear.  Does he really think he has any authority from God ? 

But my point is, that this is PROOF positive of how Elders think and act.  This is not theory, it's FACT. Elders really believe they have some authority from God, to condemn to death or to reprieve. 

We NEED God through Christ to provide a True Anointed remnant to guide an Organisation to serve God properly, before the Judgement arrives..  

Update :  Having had further conversation with my wife about the phone call, she tells me that the Elder said (concerning Armageddon) "It's not years away, it's months away". ... So it seems this Elder  has special insight, he seems to know the 'day and the hour'  But no. In reality it's just another threat.  He was trying to frighten my wife. Such a cowardly thing to do. THIS IS HOW Elders work. 

Out walking today I noticed how people are avoiding each other more then ever.  They look at each other as if they do not trust each other.  Of course the 'virus' may be the main problem but is it the only problem.  Naming it 'social distancing' did no help, but was that done deliberately.  It brought to mind the words from the scriptures 'like sheep without a shepherd'.  I often think it is my 'old age' that puts fear into me. When I was young I longed for 'excitement' but now I just want 'peace and security'.  It is impossible to separate happenings in this world from God's word..... 2021, a 'new year' but it will of course bring with it new problems.  I am in England but I care not about Brexit or politics, I care about people. Are any of you, in any country, noticing that neighbours are distancing more or becoming more suspicious of each other ?  Or is it just my frame of mind ? 

On 12/26/2020 at 12:38 PM, JW Insider said:

Ephesians 4:4 states clearly that there is “one spirit,” and that spirit is God’s gift of holy spirit given to some people in the Old Testament and to all believers today.

If only.................... 

10 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Or, why not advance from several mistakes to less mistakes? We are not supposed to look for "True Anointed" because this would make us followers of men. Do you assume that Paul and Peter were "True Anointed"? If so, remember that persons in the Christian congregation were NOT supposed to follow them. Peter and Paul and others made serious mistakes. This is why the only "True Anointed" we follow is Jesus Christ.

Zechariah 8 :23 

This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”

Acts 2 :17

‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

But this of course refers to the True Anointed, as shown in the first scripture.

Now as for your "We are not supposed to look for "True Anointed" because this would make us followers of men."

You already follow MEN. Because you follow your GB and the Watchtower Society.  Even though you say they 'twist scripture' you continue to follow them. 

If you say you only follow Jesus Christ, maybe you could tell everyone HOW you follow Jesus Christ ???  

From my viewpoint we won't need to look for the True Anointed because by their works we will know them.  But look back at the works you describe of your previous leaders and you present GB. 

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

the more I study it, the more I believe that one MUST use deception to keep any kind of "prophetic chronology" going.

'deception' = Lies and deceit.  The Watchtower foundation is based on that and it continues along the same lines.

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Just as I expect that you personally believed this material about 1914 when you were a Witness because you "inherited" it from your teachers, a combination of the person who studied with you, and the Watchtower publications, and from the platform, as it were.

BUT, I was completely innocent as a Bible Student because i wasn't aware of how to study God's word properly.  However, the leaders of the Watchtower were NOT innocent because they had (or pretended to have) the Responsibility of being God's spokespersons here on Earth. 

This is why I could no longer preach or teach God's word to others, because I now know I have no true understanding of it. 

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

It's just one of those traditions, in my opinion, that makes the word of God invalid. (I say this because this particular tradition does indeed invalidate the very counsel of the Scriptures.)

And this is where I say the scriptures are really only meant for the True Anointed. Because the True Anointed will not inherit deception. Only the True Anointed will be inspired of God's Holy Spirit so as to know truth from lies.

Otherwise, what will happen ?  Your Watchtower / JW Org, will advance from bad to worse with more deception and twisting of scripture. 

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I see the way that F.W.Franz toyed with language to keep people hyped up about 1975. I see the way that Rutherford was using deceptive language to keep people hyped up about 1925. And then looking back at Miller and Barbour I see the same thing. I just read some of Harold Camping's predictions for May 21 2011 and I see the same exact style. And, as I started to write up what I saw in the Jon & Cameron conversation, I saw some of the same.

You can see hype and deception from beginning right up to our present time. what more is to be said 

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Russell left the "1914" doctrine in disarray by predicting so many things for it that failed.

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

But even Rutherford had continued to create a mess around 1914 problem by waffling on 1914 for a while, pushing for 1918, then 1925, and only very slowly giving up on the the idea that the "End of the Gentile Times" was still going to be a Jewish mitzvah in Palestine.

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

it was up to F.W.Franz to push hard for the tree dream prophecy again because all those other methods now needed to be dropped completely. Officially Christ's presence was still 1874 right up until about 1943:

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

  Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. a

15 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Note the deceptive twisting of the Bible's words here. With a kind of sleight of hand, and taking advantage of the negative opening in the sentence, Franz makes the "kingdom of men" represent "the heavenly kingdom."

15 hours ago, JW Insider said:

So over the years, there has been a near disappearance of this explanation about how Jesus is like the "basest of men." And tricks of language are still being used t

And you expect people to seriously believe that those men were being guided by Almighty God through Jesus Christ ? 

And you seriously expect people to believe that today's GB are guided by God through Christ ? You expect people to follow an Organisation that is built on lies and deceit, or even on mistake after mistake after mistake .... ? 

And some on here mock me when I suggest that a True Anointed are needed to guide people to truth.  Reading the comments on these topics is becoming very sad. The blind leading the blind.  Yes it makes for passing the time, but gives no proof of hope, no proof of the guidance of God's Holy spirit. 

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

The exact logic of this Watchtower article still escapes me:

But still you and others follow them. 

Oh well perhaps people prefer @Isabella 's version  

Old news. I put this up as a topic yesterday  

@Srecko Sostar This comment below does not include you .

I can only assume that some people on here do not have a loving marriage partner to spend time with.   To spend so much time 'researching' all that 'stuff' and so much more time arguing about it all, when it has no real purpose.  1914 has no real purpose in relation to our Christian love toward God and Christ. And no one knows the day or the hour, and a 'day' in this instance would not mean a literal day. 

The scriptures, especially Paul's letters, tell us not to get caught up in silly arguments.  

But you 'guys' will probably continue to argue.  Oh how we need that True Anointed to guide God's people. 

https://torrentfreak.com/jehovahs-witnesses-file-copyright-lawsuit-in-response-to-blundering-christmas-album-201225/

( It's all about the money, money, money.... ) 

Publisher BMG has plunged itself into a copyright lawsuit with elements that are so bizarre it's hard to fathom what the company was thinking of. According to the complaint, BMG illegally used a song owned by religious group Watchtower in a for-profit Christmas album, featuring songs from other faiths, which are set to be sung in cathedrals. Needless to say, Jehovah's Witnesses are outraged.

The problem lies in a song on the album called “Listen, Obey and Be Blessed”, a work owned by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group. The appearance of this song on a commercial album immediately raised alarm bells among the religion’s followers who, through their teachings and knowledge of their faith, knew this track shouldn’t have been used in this manner.

Multiple Blunders Considered Antithetical to The Faith

First of all and despite its attempts to be inclusive, Blessings is fairly obviously an album aimed at the Christmas market. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas, believing that the festival has pagan origins. Second, the religious group doesn’t allow its works to be exploited commercially, as per its own interpretation of the bible. Finally, Jehovah’s Witnesses reject all other religions, so being represented as a group alongside them in the album is offensive, to say the least.

Indeed, these topics and more have been the subject of intense discussion on various Jehovah’s Witness forums over the past several weeks. Many followers have been openly wondering why their leaders haven’t been following the rules, or at the least, why they aren’t doing anything to counter this affront to their religion.

As it turns out, those in command knew all about it well in advance and have been preparing a lawsuit.

Well the W/T need to get money back from somewhere to pay all the Victims of CSA.  it seems to just be business as usual for the GB & Co.

But i do find it kinda funny.  

Is all of this supposed to be proving something about 1914 ? 

If so what exactly please ? 

We already know that the Kingdom existed whilst Jesus Christ was here on earth and we already know that HE had been given all Authority after His resurrection in 33 C .E. 

So what exactly is the point of this  43 page discussion ? 

14 hours ago, Arauna said:

Yea, humans are the same everywhere...... they lift themselves up and pretend to all they are important because of what their job is. 

I agree with @Srecko Sostar exactly on this.

@Arauna you do it every time. You bring out the faults in the people that you serve. 

The Governing Body 'lift themselves up' by saying only THEY are the F&DS.  They 'pretend to all they are important' by pretending that are the spokesperson for God and Christ. 

'because of what their job is.'  but it is a job and title that they have given to themselves. 

Luke 14 v 11  How the 'mighty' will fall. 

Arauna wants to blame everyone else, whilst she blinds herself against the many faults of the GB. 

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

Jehovah teaches us also to remove ourselves from situations (if possible) where those who hate him are present. 

Ps 1: "Happy is the man who does not walk according to the advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners And does not sit in the seat of scoffers.  2 But his delight is in the law of Jehovah,.........Nor will sinners remain standing in the assembly of the righteous.  "

The wicked are always contentious, have enmity with the people of Jehovah and make it their business to scoff.  These are qualities which are in opposition to love and truth. 

 

 

I followed the advice from your first sentence a few years ago.  I removed myself from the JW Organisation. 

And I agree with the scripture you quoted. The advice of your wicked GB / Watchtower was to keep Child Sexual Abuse hidden inside the Organisation by not reporting it to the Police or Superior Authorities. 

And I will not 'sit in the seat of scoffers', because I will be no part of the lies and deceit that your GB spew out. 

Your GB and their helpers are the ones who are in opposition to love and truth.  

Everything you 'throw' at others always seems to be better at describing your GB and it's many organisations. 

Here in the English countryside all is good, thank you. Far enough away from the city and with a view over the fields, we spend all our time at home, only going out to buy food.  Even as an ex JW, we do not celebrate the pagan festival, so we don't have any fuss and bother with getting extra things in.  Life is just peaceful but a bit boring.  I spend too much time on Facebook and Ebay, but i do try to read from the Bible every day.  The feeling about the vaccine, here in England, is mixed.  I don't want the vaccine but it may become compulsory.  It's winter here and quite cold with lots of rain. It gets dark quite early in the evenings.  Our central heating is good and our home is comfortable. We are very happy to have all the things we need, but I do remind my wife that one day all we have may be gone.  We have much more than many people have and i thank God for our daily food and for our home.  I hope you are safe and well. Christian love to you and your family. 

8 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

How come no jehovahs witness has ever been able to provide proof that Christians are worshipping pagan gods at Christmas time?

Well I'm not a JW but there does seem to be evidence of pagan rituals in that part of December, such as worshipping the Sun.  So maybe not worshipping pagan gods, but more like celebrating pagan customs. 

18 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

 

I won't bother with the video. I know that true Christians would not want to celebrate a pagan festival.

I think it has been proven that Jesus was born around October time as he lived 33½ years and was killed around March / April. 

However giving thanks to God for sending Christ to Earth is a good thing, but it doesn't need all the pagan extras to do it.   

So when Hitler persecuted the Jews does that mean that the Jews had the true religion and it was the devil causing the persecution of true religion ?   I don't think so. 

But you are right, I don't have real knowledge about the troubles in Russia.  Not being a JW I suppose Russia doesn't play on my mind. But the persecution is wicked and should of course stop. 

But I don't think it is a 'sign of the end', whereas you might. 

10 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

since you offer NO substitute for the kingdom proclamation that they do.

JWs only proclaim the GB and the Watchtower.  To stand with a cart / trolly which offers GB / Watchtower literature is hardly proclaiming the Kingdom.  It proclaims the GB as the F&DS and proclaims lies about when Armageddon will arrive. It still, after all these years, proclaims 1914.  It's like an old record stuck in the same old groove. 

10 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

particularly since your “answer” is so easily debunked.

The people in Russia doing the persecuting must have some political power, so my answer isn't debunked at all. My answer makes sense to sensible people.