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  1. 9 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    John,

    You asked JWinsider for a worse bible study than the NWT. If you are looking not to be in the computer for as long as you have been just to criticize the Watchtower and want to join another cult of faith, like witness; then a hard copy of most Study Bibles is available in eBay, or Amazon.

    You might be interested in bibles with false claims and inaccurate interpretation of ancient works like, the Jerusalem Bible Study (JPS), Scofield Study Bible (New King James Version), HarperCollins Study Bible, The MacArthur study Bible: New American Standard Bible, The NIV Zondervan Study Bible, CSB Spurgeon Study Bible, The Apologetics Study Bible, etc.

    It’s not that hard to find them in google, without really having to ask a witness NOT in good standing for bad advice.

    And that is why I didn't make it a topic, because I knew a bitter and twisted pretend Christian would come on the scene talking rubbish. You @César Chávez  aka Billy the Kid,  have fullfilled that role of the bitter and twisted pretend Christian. You are totally off topic deliberately, because you know i talk truth in this topic, and you are trying to sideline the topic due to your jealousy of the True Anointed remnant.

     

  2. 11 hours ago, Witness said:
    On 12/22/2020 at 8:57 AM, JW Insider said:

    I don't think any Watchtower reference ever allowed for the "other sheep" to simply inherit the earth except in principle, or an indirect sense until September 2018. (I remember when it was OK to say that the "other sheep" could inherit Paradise and even everlasting life, but there was a prominent brother at Bethel who was very adamant that we should never say that the other sheep inherit the earth.)

    I think we all need to remember that Jesus was never speaking to the people of the nations.

    Matthew 15 v 24 to 28 inc'.

    He (Jesus) answered: “I was not sent to anyone except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25  But the woman came and did obeisance to him, saying: “Lord, help me!” 26  In answer he (Jesus) said: “It is not right to take the bread of the children and throw it to the little dogs.” 27  She said: “Yes, Lord, but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters. 28  Then Jesus replied to her: “O woman, great is your faith; let it happen to you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed from that hour on.

    Physical Israel was God's chosen people, and it was to those that Jesus spoke. 

    When physical Israel rejected and murdered Jesus, then on his resurrection, Jesus was speaking to spiritual Israel.  

    Jesus refered to the Samaritains as 'dogs'.  How then would he view the nations at that time ? 

     

    If we read verse 3 of chapter 5 in Matthew we find 

     “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need,a since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them."

    Jesus was speaking to physical Israel that could have had the Kingdom of the Heavens. 

    And in verse 5 

     “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth."

    Jesus was still speaking to physical Israel. 

    Jesus himself has never gone to the nations. He went to physical Israel and now Spiritual Israel.

    I think the earthly class are now the 'little dogs' that feed from the crumbs of the table.

  3. 10 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    And what are the chances, in any kind of a sane world, that these are the persons who would be persecuted, when there are so many who in the blink of an eye will turn to violence, and a few that specialize in it? It makes no sense from a human point of view.

    It does make sense actually, if you look at it from a governments viewpoint. If you have a large group of peaple in your country that do not support that governement then that government will be watchful. 

    BUT add to that, if you have a large group of people in a country that will not fight to defend that country that could cause the government a problem. THEN add to that, that the large group of people not only will not fight to defend the country BUT they are telling everyone else not to fight to defend that country. 

    WE know that war is wrong, WE know that killing is wrong, but 'worldly governments' are not interested in God's viewpont. 

    Countries such as Russia want to appear strong. To appear strong they need massive Armed Forces.  But Russia has this 'group of people' that don't want Russia to appear strong, because this 'group of people'  won't join the Armed Forces and continue to tell others not to join the Armed Forcess. 

    In simple words, Jehovah's Witnesses are a threat to Russia's strength.   Those people in Russia that 'specialize in violence'  are the ones the Russian government will be happy to have, because such people will fight for the country. 

    Of course all persecusion is wrong, but seen from the side of the authorites running a country, it's possible to understand their perspective. 

    I do laugh at your misuse of scripture about the devil coming down :) .

     

  4. 9 hours ago, Arauna said:

    The glory we bring to jehovah by our dedicated lives is just as important as that which obedient angels give or the 'bride'.

     

    9 hours ago, Arauna said:

    We are equal under God...... jehovah has no special treatment for anyone-

     

    8 hours ago, Arauna said:

    any case I read the bible and follow only new light.

     .If you wish to believe those things then so be it. 

  5. 8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    I did read it, and I think it is true, but it is wrong to limit the message and value of the Scriptures to only a few.

    I don't think the NT is just for the anointed ones with a heavenly hope. Naturally, when the entire congregation of JWs was just made up of only the anointed and the anointed Jonadabs who were also going to heaven, then everyone was anointed. Only the anointed Jonadabs were considered a less spiritual class. (Later, in our doctrines, the Jonadabs became the "other sheep" who were after some time no longer considered anointed.) So we had doctrines that emphasized the message of the NT to the anointed. But we have grown away from this teaching and all of us can now appreciate the principles of the NT as applying to all, even if some specific statements were (or are) applied more specifically to the anointed.

    Oh, I do try not to be arguementitive. Earlier i had an hour long conversation on the phone with an Elder, discusing many issues, so I'm now tired.

    Please, just for one moment stop this "But we have grown away from this teaching" Just be you. Don't be a representative of the Watchtower.....

    I agree it seems wrong to limit the message and value of the scriptures to only a few, but it is those 'few' that will be given full understanding. Meanwhile those scriptures will be misused by many including the GB / helpers / Watchtower.  

    Jesus said 'I have other sheep who are not of this fold'.  I believe that not all of Christ's followers in the 1st century were of the Anointed. But I believe the words of the Apostle Paul were only meant for the Anointed ones. 

    I think the True Anointed remnant are far more important to God and Christ, than the rest of us are, right now.  

    The complete 144,000 are needed to make that complete 'body of christ', whereas the number of the earthly class does not matter.  And I think God through Christ, will use the remnant to the full.  So I would have thought that anyone wanting to serve God properly would have the proper respect for that remnant and would support them fully, not tell them they shouldn't meet together.  The Anointed remnant should be taking the lead as the spiritual JEW, and the earthly class should be following as the 10 men.  Therefore I believe that Almighty God will give Holy Spirit, through Jesus Christ,  to the True Anointed, and i believe those True Anointed will teach truth to the earthly ones.  I think this will happen in good time, before Armageddon. 

  6. 9 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    And it implied that the Christian Greek Scriptures (NT) were only for the anointed, which might have even discouraged others from gaining the same level of encouragement.

    Well well, go to top of page and read title of topic. 

    @Arauna  quotes scripture that was written for the Anointed ones and tries very hard to apply it to millions of JWs that are dominated by 8 men.  

    Why are JWs so jealous of the True Anointed remnant ?  Don't JWs know that those of the True Anointed are chosen by God through Christ ? Don't JWs know that those True Anointed wil rule over the Earthly Class of people ?  

    But, the True Anointed will not be like the GB.  The True Anointed will obey God through Christ and will be meek and kind and loving. 

    You try to deny that the Christian Greek Scriptures were written for the True Anointed but those scriptures prove otherwise.  Romans 8 v 16 & 17.

    The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17  If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together.

    Are the earthly class heirs indeed of God, and joint heirs with Christ ? NO.

  7. I think some of us were drawn into something that was a lie. It's that simple. 

    Sorry @Witness but I think you should have checked it out properly before starting this topic. 

    Not much point in trying to make something out of it that isn't really there. It was clickbait lies. 

    We are all keen to see something happen but it seems this is nothing. 

     

  8. 9 hours ago, John Houston said:

    So you are saying that all those that are anointed have a say in the workings of the earthly organization while they are here, all of them, they are a part of the slave class? Who is the "Head", the Feet" the hands, the eyes, it is a body, so they all cannot be one thing but parts of the whole correct? So who is the head directing this class? Moses had this problem; Jesus had this problem also. No one wants to follow, to be humble, to be child-like. Is this attitude going to heaven with you? Are you going to be this way after  gaining access to your crown in heaven? Wanting to be ahead, leading, never following? The road is cramped not spacious, somebody has to be behind, following others.If you do not like those who are leading, make your own church like those others, then you can lead; but what we got is fine and if it is not correct, the HEAD will remove, not any of you who are bickering about it. That kind of pressure does not move him to act. You should know this by now! Fix you another cup of coffee and go about your day and let the GB/ELDERS/ANOINTED be, they have to answer to Jehovah God not you or any one else who thinks like you, ok! This medium allows you the time to vent and say what you want, it feels good right? But it changes nothing. It helps my typing skills, I getting very good. So have a good day and stay safe, remember to wash your hands and wear a mask!

    Hello John. I presume your comment was aimed at me.  So firstly I'll quote you here

    Who is the "Head",   The obvious answer is that JESUS is the head. The True Anointed are the 'body of Christ' 

    Is this attitude going to heaven with you? Are you going to be this way after  gaining access to your crown in heaven?

    Answer: As far as i am aware i am not going to heaven. I have never said I'm Anointed and I've never had that longing. So where you get that idea from I do not know. BUT, now think on this, I am not promoting myself.   I am stating that the True Anointed are more important than the earthly class at this time.  

    However your GB do promote themselves, calling themselves the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave'  and saying only they, those 8 men, are to be believed and followed.  Remember that up to 2012 ALL Anointed were considered to be the F&DS, BUT the GB decided to announce in 2013 that ONLY THEY were the F&DS. The GB thereby exalted themselves above their Anointed Brothers.  A time will come soon when the scripture at Luke 14 v 11 will take place.

    For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    Even though I am not so humble, I do not exalt myself. My concern is for the True Anointed remnant that are not yet doing the job, here on Earth, that they were Anointed for.  

    As for the 'slave class', I don't think the scripture was meant to be taken literally. It was a Question, not a statement. But your GB are happy to apply it to themselves, yet they refuse to believe the same scripture about the evil slave. 

  9. 19 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

    the youtube channel this comes from is pure evil as explained in its description

    Deciphering Warship is a watchtower truth Channel, breaking down the lies and deception of jw.org...

    Um, sorry but this seems like a contradiction. 

    1. you say it's 'pure evil', then

    2. you say they are 'breaking down the lies and deception of jw.org.'

    If anyone is bringing lies out into the open then that is good not evil. 

    And at least it wasn't a false Armageddon call  like the Watchtower / GB / CCJW  keep making. 

     

  10. 8 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

    If the scriptures are only for the anointed, then why would non anointed jw's bother with reading the bible at all?

    The scriptures were written for the True Anointed but the GB / Watchtower / CCJW pretend that the earthly class are just as important as the Anointed. It's funny that JWs are encouraged to 'read' the Bible BUT not really 'study' the Bible. If a JW were to really study their Bible they wound know how wrong the GB / Watchtower are.  They are told to read it, BUT not to disagree with the GB's interpretation of it.   The GB pretend that the earthly class are just as important so that Elders that are not of the Anointed can rule over the whole congregation including some that are of the Anointed. 

    It's all a farce, a smokescreen to confuse JWs and their bible studies.  The GB pretend to be the only ones that are the F&DS and therefore the only ones that are entitled to give an interpretation of God's word. They refuse to recognise the the other Anointed ones by keeping them down amongst the earthly class.  But a time will come soon when the True Anointed are raised up to power by God's Holy Spirit and then we will be taught truth from God's word. 

     

     

  11. The Christian Greek Scriptures prove that they were written for the Anointed.  The scriptural quotes I've given prove it. 

    Unfortunately the GB are trying to pretend two opposite things,  1. that all servants of God are equal, BUT, 2. that the GB are above all others.  Your dishonest GB are trying to lower the Anointed's importance, but to raise their own importance. 

    Um, is one of them really leaving ?  Is he getting a conscience or frightened of the CSA problem ? 

    When the True Anointed appear then the GB will quickly disappear. 

  12. Um, is this an American viewpoint I wonder  ? 

    As a 71 year old immature Englishman I am nothing like the things you mention at all.

    Video games, you must be joking. I would not waste my time or money on such rubbish. Facebook & Ebay guilty, but not pointless video games.  Fixing things. I don't go beyond my ability, but i do tend to go for practicality rather than looks. 

    The relationship. No problems there, I'll listen and talk about how we both feel and why. And I tend to tell my wife and my son if I'm feeling emotionally or physically unwell. We live in a wicked world and we need the ones close to us to understand us. 

    Shopping, no probs'.  I lived on my own from age 18 and had to learn to shop for my own food and pay my own bills.

    Quote Our consuming need to own the biggest and most expensive version of just about everything.

    Sorry but that IS an American thing.  Just look at the American classic cars, and refrigerators.   Us English are far more practical. 

    Wow, Americanism at it's finest y'all.  

     

  13. This subject has most probably been here before, but it tends to cross my mind regularly. It would be nice to approach it from the scriptural viewpoint, not the Watchtower viewpoint.

    Luke 17 v 20 & 21.  

    On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them: “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness; 21  nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.”

    Now this was Jesus' words before he was put to death.   But after His resurrection he told his disciples (Matthew 28 v 18 )

     Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.

    So whilst Jesus was here on earth He stated that the Kingdom of God was there amongst the people (meaning himself) and that ALL authority has been given to HIM.

    Now, is it enough to know both of those things ? That Jesus is the Kingdom (or King of that Kingdom), and that HE had all authority since 33 C.E. 

    Lets now consider the disciples / apostles.  2 Thessalonians 2 v 1

    However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christa and our being gathered together to him,

    What exactly does this mean ?  the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ  Is that the presence of Jesus at Armageddon ? 

    our being gathered together to him    When ?  When Jesus appears at Armageddon / When Jesus takes the anointed remnant from the earth ? 

    1 Thessalonians 4 v 13 through 18.

    Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. 14  For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus. 15  For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16  because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17  Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 18  So keep comforting one another with these words.

    This bit seems a little complicated. we the living who survive. will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death. 

    the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call WHEN ? Is this at Armageddon. 

    17  Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

    Is all of that going to happen in the one instance ?  Note it says 'together with them',  as if the 'dead' Anointed and the 'living' Anointed (obviously all as spirit beings), will all meet together in clouds / the air. 

    Now if this is so, then the only part of the Kingdom in heaven right now is Jesus Christ. If the 'dead Anointed' are still in the grave and the 'living Anointed' (remnant) are still here on earth..........................

    Jesus, whilst here on Earth, spoke of himself as being the Kingdom in their midst. AND, Jesus in 33 C.E. said he had been given ALL authority.  So it would seem from those scriptures that the Kingdom existed from at least 33 C.E. but possibly only consisted of Jesus Christ. 

    The questions now follows of course, What does the Watchtower say happened in 1914 ? And, Where does the Watchtower say that the 1st Century anointed are right now ? 

  14. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/churches-fears-for-conversion-bill-are-unfounded-20201215-p56no3.html

    I think this article puts a bit of balance on things. 

     

    The Victorian government’s bill to ban LGBTQ+ conversion practices has raised confusion and disquiet in some religious communities about potential threats to their religious freedoms.

    These fears are quickly assuaged by a plain reading of the bill and the statement of compatibility with the Charter of Human Rights.

    The Victorian bill carefully weighs the protection of religious freedom against the protection of the rights of LGBTQ+ people and is the product of significant consultation. It does not ban prayer, preaching or pastoral support about gender and sexuality in general. But it does prevent these spiritual practices being misused in attempts to change or suppress a person’s sexuality or gender identity and thereby causing them harm. It has been found to be consistent with Victorian human rights law and does not constitute an overreach.

    Placing limits on religious practices, as proposed in this bill, is not new. Both Australian law and international human rights law provide guidance on when it is appropriate to place limitations on religious practices.

    There are numerous examples where we do this already in Australian law. Jehovah’s Witnesses hold religious objections to blood transfusions, but Australian law overrides the practice of that belief in circumstances where a blood transfusion is necessary to save the life of a child. Several religious communities have traditions of female genital cutting. Yet Australian law overrides that religious practice, making it both illegal to perform in Australia or to remove someone overseas for the practice. And more recently, several Australian jurisdictions have followed the recommendations of the child abuse royal commission to limit the seal of confession in order to protect children from sexual abuse.

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    So. we know from scripture that the Superior Authorities are placed or are allowed to be in their position by Almighty God. 

    And we can see some good here that this government is trying to stop female genital cutting and to protect children from sexual abuse. 

    The position concerning blood transfusions is a difficult one. A secular government has to make secular decisions completely separate from religious bias. 

    So at this moment in time it does not look as if they are trying to wipe out Christianity, as some people pretend they are.  

     
  15. https://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2622

    Shia Muslim, Jehovah's Witness, and Protestant religious communities have all had recent applications to exist refused. In many cases the excuse used has been refusals by local authorities to provide documents as part of the complex, time-consuming and expensive application process. In some cases registration applications have led to reprisals, such as police demands that Protestant Christians renounce their faith.

    Just as in 2019 and in previous years, Jehovah's Witness communities have been refused registration in 2020 in Tashkent and Fergana. The excuse the regime has used is the refusal of local authorities to supply a letter confirming the communities' existence as part of the complex, time-consuming and expensive application procedure. Officials have refused to explain to Forum 18 why they did this (see below).

  16. 13 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    Why don't you examine this ill faded advice? Start with yourself, then bring it back to me. Meantime, don't be such a hypocrite.

    Once again, when did you receive the commission of judge to judge the GB? Who gave any false prophet that right?

    I'll just repeat what I've written above. 

    GB are a totally different thing because they call themselves God's spokesman.  The GB calls themselves and allow themselves to be called the Faithful and Discreet Slave. And the GB tell the True Anointed not to gather together. The GB tell the True Anointed that they would be working against God's Holy Spirit if they did gather together. 

    Hence the GB deserve to be judged by anyone that is wanting to serve God properly. 

    Because the GB have put themselves in the place of Jesus Christ.  

    But to those that are happy serving and worshipping the GB they will never see truth.  

     

  17. @John Houston  It's a pity you cannot talk straight, but you talk in riddles. 

    Elders do conspire to hide truth.  Elders commit sins and other Elders keep it hidden. Even to the point of Child Sexual Abuse and adultery.  And when victims complain, or parents of victims complain, they get d/fed. Yes the whole organisation can be seen to be corrupt, because anyone that hides sin or anyone that supports those that hide sin is just as guilty. 

    On 12/10/2020 at 6:53 PM, John Houston said:

    Many want it to fail, but have nothing to replace it.

    How wrong you are.  My love and loyalty are toward God and Christ, it is only they that have to be served. I care not if the Watchtower / JW org survive or fall. But if Almighty God through Jesus Christ wants to use the Watchtower / Org  so be it, but I'm sure they will fully cleanse it first. That will mean your GB will be gone and an honest Anointed body of servants would be truly guided by God's Holy Spirit.

    I do like that you disagree with your GB on one point. Your GB say that a person has to be a 'baptised JW to be saved' 

    You say 

    On 12/10/2020 at 6:53 PM, John Houston said:

    Only the righteous, meek ones who are covered by Jehovah's mercy in that day survive! And they are not all JW's

     

  18. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2020/Jehovah-Is-Directing-His-Organization/

    1. And you need to keep building your confidence that Jehovah is using his organization today.

    2 Today, Jehovah directs his organization in a way that reflects his personality, purpose, and standards. Let us consider three of Jehovah’s attributes that are reflected in his organization. 

    7. As far back as July 1881, this magazine could say: “We were not called, nor anointed to receive honor and amass wealth but to spend and be spent, and to preach the good news.

    Something went wrong there then. The Watchtower has amassed wealth and real estate. 

    11 In the first century. The governing body in Jerusalem worked unitedly to maintain order and peace among God’s people. (Acts 2:42) For example, when the issue of circumcision came to a head about 49 C.E., the governing body, under  the direction of holy spirit, considered the matter.

    There was NO governing body in the 1st century.  And the circumcision account seems to be the only account the GB can find to talk about. The Apostle Paul was no part of the Twelve in Jerusalem, and it was Paul that wrote under inspiration of Holy Spirit, to all the Congregations. It would seem that Paul had as much authority as the Twelve. 

    15 By means of “the faithful and discreet slave,” 

    Here we see this lie again. The Bible, God's word, does not give any mention as to who the F&DS is, but the GB exalt themselves to that position. 

    17 Soon, the only organization left on earth will be the one led by God’s spirit. So zealously work with Jehovah’s organization. 

    Then as Satan’s world comes to its end, you will not be fearful. Instead, you will confidently stand among those who are loyally serving with Jehovah’s organization.

    This whole article promotes the GB and the Organisation. It does not give any direction to serve God through JESUS CHRIST. 

    The only time Jesus is mentioned is in connection with the disciples. 

    How do you serve Almighty God ? 

  19. https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2020/How-to-Conduct-a-Bible-Study-That-Leads-to-Baptism-Part-One/

    Bible study ?  Maybe not. 

    Part One 

    2.  As long as Jehovah is patiently allowing people the time and opportunity to become Christ’s disciples, we want to do all we can to help them progress to baptism as quickly as possible. Time is fast running out!—  ( Threat ? )

    7 As the teacher, you need to prepare well for each Bible study session. You can begin by reading the material and looking up the scriptures. Get the main points clearly in mind. Think about the title of the lesson, the subheadings, the study questions, the “read” scriptures, the artwork, and any videos that may help explain the subject. 

    Remember that this is supposed to be a BIBLE STUDY, NOT a book study. However we can see that the instruction from the Watchtower are to study a Book. 

    9.  impress on him how important it is that he prepare for each study session by reading the lesson beforehand and reflecting on how the material applies to him. Explain how to find the direct answers to the study questions, and show how highlighting only key words or phrases will help him recall the answer. 

    2.Prepare for each study session

    • Read the lesson beforehand

    • Highlight key words or phrases that answer each study question

    • Think of how the material applies to them

    •  

    Part Two

    1.

    THE disciple-making work is a lifesaving work! How do we know? When Jesus gave the command that is recorded at Matthew 28:19, 20, he said: “Go, . . . make disciples . . . , baptizing them.” What do we know about the importance of baptism? It is a requirement for those seeking salvation. 

    BUT no mention of Jesus words of How to baptise     In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.  THAT IS a requirement for salvation

    Again in paragraph two  “Go, . . . make disciples..... teaching them. 

    3.  we want to know how we can help more of them to become baptized disciples of Jesus Christ. 

    But the GB don't want people baptised as disciples of Jesus Christ, they want people baptised into the Organisation  (Read questions for baptism )

    12 Talk openly about Christian dedication and baptism. After all, our goal in  conducting a Bible study is to help a person become a baptized disciple. Within a few months of having a regular Bible study and especially after beginning to attend meetings, the student should understand that the purpose of the Bible study is to help him to start serving Jehovah as one of His Witnesses.

    I would have thought the goal was to get a person to form a good relationship with God through Christ. 

    This next paragraph says it all really. 

     15 Regularly analyze the progress that the student is making. For example, does he express his feelings for Jehovah? Does he pray to Jehovah? (Ps. 116:1, 2) Does he enjoy reading the Bible? (Ps. 119:97) Is he attending the meetings regularly? (Ps. 22:22) Has he made any needed changes in his lifestyle? (Ps. 119:112) Has he started sharing what he is learning with his family and friends? (Ps. 9:1) Most important, does he want to become  one of Jehovah’s Witnesses? (Ps. 40:8) If the student is not making progress in any of these areas, tactfully try to find out why and then discuss the matter with him kindly but frankly. *

    Most important ????  More important than forming a good relationship with Almighty God through Jesus Christ ? 

    I have shown here how a so called Bible study is actually the study of a book and how the person studying is not taught the true way of getting baptised.  Also Part Two of the Watchtower study shows us that the main purpose of the preaching work is to gain quantity of new JWs.   Most important it says.  I'll leave that for you to decide.  

     

  20. @Shirley Lowery  I'm sorry to read your words of worship toward your GB.  It really is so sad that you think your GB are directed by God's Holy Spirit, because they even admit that they are not....  As you say, in the eyes of JW's I am an apostate. But the disciples were also apostates, apostate to the Jewish religion or way of life. Remember that they stopped offering animal sacrifices and were accused of many things by the Pharisees.   So, my being apostate to the JW religion does not stop me serving God through Christ. 

    There is so much GB worshipping on this forum it is sickening.  Give praise only to Almighty God through Jesus Christ. 

  21. 9 hours ago, Shirley Lowery said:

    I have the original photos taken with them too!

    I think this proves how much you worship your Governing Body.  

     

    9 hours ago, Shirley Lowery said:

    These imperfect men were appointed to our Governing Body, that Jehovah entrusted though his holy spirit to take care of his Worldwide Organization.

    You have proof ?  No...... But by their works you will know them.  And their works show that they have exalted themselves as mentioned in Luke  14 v 11

    For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”

    From 1927 until 2012, this faithful and discreet slave was interpreted as all anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses. (see Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, p.626).

    Since July 15 2013, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been told – and now believe – that the “Faithful & Discreet slave” is their governing body only. Confirmation of this fact is found in  The Watchtower July 15 2013 page 21, paragraph 10:

    And your Governing Body has told all the Anointed Ones NOT to meet together, and your GB have threatened the Anointed ones that if they DO meet together they will be 'working against the Holy spirit'.

    10 hours ago, Shirley Lowery said:

    Yes, I personally feel that  these appointed imperfect men,, is our beloved  Governing Body, also referred to in the Bible, as The Faithful and Discreet Slave!

    Your Governing Body are NOT  referred to in the Bible, as The Faithful and Discreet Slave! 

    In fact no one in the bible is referred to regarding the F&DS. It is a Question asked in the bible.   Matthew  24 v 45

     “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

    However  your GB chooses to misuse this scripture to pretend it is them, BUT, they deliberately deny verses 48 & 49 of the same chapter which does refer to them. 

     “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’b 49  and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 

    10 hours ago, Shirley Lowery said:

    They look to the Universal Sovereign, Jehovah, and to the Head of the congregation, Jesus, for guidance.

    The Watchtower Society and JW Organisation Leaders have never looked to God or Christ for guidance. If they had done so they would never have made false predictions about Armageddon.  They continue to do so even to this day.  They tell people that we are living in the final part of the final day, when the scriptures tell us that no one will know the day or the hour.  

    I strongly suggest you stop worshipping the GB and start serving God through Christ

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