Patiently waiting for Truth

The CCJW Organisation has cried Wolf so many times that they have made themselves look stupid. They have also lost the real meaning of ungency because they keep making false predictions. Of course if you cry Wolf enough times then eventually you will be right, but that is not what God or Christ wants. It seems to show selfishness on their part to want Armageddon to happen just because THEY feel safe. But they make a mockery of God and Christ and also of God's Holy Scriptures. Now, if they think they are the F&DS, they should show humility and say "We do not know when the Judgement will be". But instead they preach fear and division. Pushing more and more JWs out. I do know how people survive inside the CCJW. It's by not believing the GB's words and not doing the will of the GB or the Elders. Physically in, mentally out, they say. But in truth it's Spiritually out that helps them survive. For instance those people that didn't obey the Leaders in the late 1960's / early 70's were the ones that survived. Thank you @Srecko Sostar for this information. It's very interesting to read and shows how the 'Org' has not been guided by God's Holy Spirit.

Do you think there will actually be JWs at that time ? Won't ALL religions be banned ? I have an opinion (which I know never interests you CC ) that there will be Christians and non Christians. Others here have said that not everyone that wants to serve God will be a baptised JW when the end comes. And I don't think that will be what a person is judged on. I don't think there will be a CCJW org, or a GB. And the printing will have stopped of course. I think Christians will be more tolerant of each other and work together because every non Christian will be the enemy. So, this creates a new way of looking at things. Religious leaders from all so called Christian religions now, tell lies and want power over others. When those religious leaders no longer exist, then it will only be the 'boots on the ground' Christians. (I think any Anointed remnant left at that time will be more like the 'boots on the ground' Christians). Remember who helped the Jew that had been robbed and beaten up in Jesus' story. It was a Samaritan. There was distrust and dislike between Jews and Samaritans for hundreds of years before Jesus. BUT both Jews and Samaritans worshipped the same God and claimed Abraham as there forefather. It's similar on here. We all believe in one Almighty God and one Jesus Christ. Witnesses and ex-Witnesses, Jews and Samaritans. When the judgement comes God through Christ will judge us individually. CC and others have a narrow mind at the moment, but when real trials come, just like the JEW who was beaten and robbed, they might find us 'Samaritans' to be better than they thought. In the time of judgement I don't think any Christian will turn others over to the government.

@paulus Ah but this is where you are so wrong. Would have told Jesus he was wrong to 'jump ship' from the Jewish way of serving God ? Or would you have told the disciples so ? Probably you would. What i did was 'purposely' 'got out of her' that immoral JW Org. But unfortunately you are so misled that you presume that everyone leaving that Org, goes back into the world. Are you told by your bosses in the CCJW that the Org controls who serves God and who doesn't ? Well i presume you are told so. You have been brainwashed into thinking that people cannot serve God from outside of your CCJW Org. You have be told that you MUST BE a BAPTISED JW to be saved. Can you show me in scripture where it says these things ? Where in scripture does it name your Org as the true one ? It doesn't. And you jump on the bandwagon of most JWs by saying that I tell other people to follow me. I made my own choice, which is something most JWs forget how to do. Now I feel it my Christian duty to warn others of what i know about the CCJW, but I don't tell anyone to 'follow me'. Children have been (proven) and probably still are, being sexually abused in the CCJW and it is Earthwide. I warn others about this. It looks like your GB and others running that Org have made their choice to turn their backs on God and Christ, and to run an immoral organisation. Using dishonest lawyers too. Only time will tell the outcome.

@paulus How wrong you are. I am an ex - JW by choice. I saw the wickedness in the CCJW many years ago. The immorality of many, the Elders that loved to rule over the congregations, the lies in the Watchtower magazines. The bitterness between families in congregations where father and son were both Elders and would bully other elders into submission. BUT, the final straw was when i did research into the Child Sexual Abuse / Paedophilia in the CCJW org. I did months of research before my Christian conscience and prayer told me I had to leave that immoral Organisation. It is obvious to any honest hearted Christian that God and Christ do not support the CCJW in any way at this time. Be clear on what i say though, I am saying God and Christ do not support the GB, the CCJW, the Watchtower, AT THIS TIME, RIGHT NOW. I am not saying that God through Christ will not cleanse the CCJW, but it would seem that if the GB do not stand down then God through Christ would have to remove the GB from their positions. God and Christ will work only through the True Anointed Remnant. The spiritual 'Jew' that 'ten men' will cling to. I quote you here. I too am disfellowshipped but would never stupidly bite the hand that feeds me or hopefully saves me Now tell us, who are you putting your trust in ? All authority belongs to whom ? Not to the GB and not to the CCJW.

JWs seem to approve of the GB saying that Anointed ones should not gather together, and the GB saying that the Anointed ones would be working 'against the Holy Spirit' if they did gather together. If JWs do not protest against this then they are supporting the GB in beating the their fellow slaves as mentioned in Matthew 24 v 48 & 49 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards Now why would JWs support their GB in beating the Anointed Ones ? Why wouldn't JWs rather make it known that they disapprove of the GB's actions ? Proof is in the actions of the GB and in the actions of those that worship the GB. The GB ARE beating the True Anointed and the GB could be considered as eating an drinking with drunkards, because the GB use dishonest Lawyers and dishonest legal practices. The GB also seem more concerned with money than with people's suffering. The GB have proved themselves to be disloyal to God and Christ by calling themselves the F&DS and by exalting themselves above all other people on this earth. Whereas the True Anointed are truly the highest people on this earth, the ones that Jesus dies for. Ref. Revelation 5 v 9 & 10. And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth" And this is why your GB are so jealous, Because Christ died for the True Anointed Ones. There is so much proof that honest hearted ones can see. Anyone that stays in the CCJW and continues to worship it's GB and the Elder system, will pay the price. Just as those that remained in Jerusalem in 70 C. E. payed the price.

Pretending to be the F&DS and frightening people into believing that we are living in the last hour of the last day, and that you must be a baptised JW to be saved, is not a noble quality either. But your GB are happy to live that life.

When did I ever write that Witness is of the True Anointed ? You are looking for fault in me when it is not there. I do believe in a True Anointed Remnant, but I've never said or written about who is part of it. How could I ? It is not my place to judge. Maybe re-read what i wrote. Such as this JW's are in for such a shock when Almighty God through Christ reveals who the True Anointed remnant really are. I've never claimed to be a prophet. Once again you are making false accusations against me. I don't need time to call you out on your mistakes and false statements. And as for God accepting " those that promote conspiracies, lies and mislead God’s sheep " God doesn't accept such ones. Hence your GB are not acceptable to God or Christ.

This is why JWs are so lost, because they are so jealous of the True Anointed that most JWs blind themselves from truth. JW's are in for such a shock when Almighty God through Christ reveals who the True Anointed remnant really are. It will be then that every JW will have to be humble and have to admit that they were serving the GB. They will have to repent and turn around and start to serve God through Christ, as the Bible tells us to. I think many JWs will leave the CCJW org because they cannot humble themselves.

CC asks What is the Church? The 'church' as you want to call it, is the True Anointed ones, the Body of Christ. It is NOT a building built with hands. It is not of human making. But your GB is trying hard to crush the True Anointed because your GB are jealous of them. Your GB have blood on their hands and will pay for their sins. F&DS indeed, I don't think so.

@TrueTomHarley says There are a lot of damaged people around. But JW's have always said they are so different, and pretended to be so much better at showing love and mercy and tenderness, because, they say, they have 'the truth'. Well reports seem to show differently. However, I do admit that I don't know truth from lies, and many reports could be lies. So people have to make up their own minds what they believe. A question arises in my mind though. Are JWs put under too much pressure from elders and higher ups in the Org ? Like I've said before there seems to be a competition for who can get their children baptised the youngest. ( @Isabella had posted ( June 6th ) a picture / photo of a young boy being baptised in a private pool. ) JW Parents are under a lot of pressure to conform to the GB rules and to 'make' their children do likewise. Otherwise JW parents are 'advised' to kick their children out of the home if the children 'disobey' GB rules. Whereas Jesus said, and whoever receives one such young child on the basis of my name receives me also. 6 But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea. There has to be a balance that parents consider for their children. Train up a child is different to put pressure on a child. Pushing a child into getting baptised into an Organisation is not teaching a child to serve God through Christ. I doubt that many JWs ever read such articles as this one. Some JWs seem to disbelieve all articles about cruelty or abuse by JWs. What will the outcome be ? What will happen to every one of the Victims Earthwide that have been stumbled by JWs and the CCJW ? I hope that God and Christ will show them mercy and love.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/11/17/isabella-guzman-wants-mental-hospital-release-fatal-stabbing-mother-aurora-colorado/ (CBS4) – A Colorado woman who brutally stabbed and killed her mother 7 years ago in Aurora wants to rejoin society after her stint in a mental hospital. Isabella Guzman stabbed Yun Mi Hoy 79 times in 2013. She was 18 at the time, and was later found not guilty by reason of insanity..... Guzman told CBS4 in a virtual interview that she is on medication and her sanity has been restored..... “I was not myself when I did that, and I have since been restored to full health,” she said....Authorities said Guzman stabbed her mother in the face, neck and torso in their Aurora home on Aug. 28. “I was abused at home by my family for many years. My parents are Jehovah’s Witnesses, and I left the religion when I was 14, and the abuse at home worsened after I quit,” she said. Court documents indicated she had been at extreme odds with her mother. She argued with her and wrote “You will pay.”...............“The fight with my mom was terrible and I was injured in the process. I have the scars on my hands. I don’t know if you can see or not,” she said, holding her left hand up to the camera. The article is longer but the point I'm seeing so often in these tragedies is that THE PARENTS WERE /ARE JWs Of course it could all be lies. But so many people are saying that they were victims of abuse at home and their parents were JW's.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/village-threatens-expel-protestant-families-beliefs-mexico.html Two Protestant families from indigenous communities in central Mexico have been living with no access to water, drainage and government benefit programs for a year after they were ostracized for refusing to renounce their faith, and now the community leaders are threatening to expel them, according to a report. The two families in La Mesa Limantitla village in the Huasteca region of Hidalgo state, who had earlier been told they would face forced displacement if they did not give their financial contributions for local Roman Catholic festivals or participate in their activities despite them being against their religious beliefs, are being threatened with expulsion, the U.K.-based group Christian Solidarity Worldwide reports. In January, 10 families were asked to sign an illegal agreement saying they are renouncing their right to hold religious services to have their access to water and other essential services reinstated. However, the two families — Nemesio Cruz Hernández, Eligio Santiago Hernández and their wives, Maria Francisca Martínez Hernández and Angelina Martínez Hernández — refused to sign. Not just JWs that suffer from Catholic opposition.

But @César Chávez you obviously don't think before you write. Come on. You say that 'God has standards that must be kept'. And I agree with you, hence i left the CCJW because they were not keeping God's standards. As for my personal crusade. That is funny. Are you so blind as not to see how your GB and it's Org are being investigated EARTHWIDE. Um, not exactly MY personal crusade then is it ? As for being held back. It is JWs that are being held back by a GB that admit to not being inspired, whilst saying they are the F&DS. Um, strange contradiction, but JWs don't see that. You follow and serve a group of 8 men that are not inspired, but that just guess and tell lies. They make false predictions, just like false prophets of old.

Quoting @César Chávez . "People cannot just claim to be of the anointed, if they haven't lived a solid Christian Life. That would amount to being a "false prophet" that line themselves as the Pharisees did. The Pharisees were looking out for their own interest, NOT Gods. God has standards that must be kept." This is so funny. Does he not realise that his GB 'just claim to be' the Faithful and Discreat Slave ? Yet they have sins piled up so high that the world can see them. God has standards, he says. BUT the GB and it's Org do not keep God's standards. There is so much proof of Child Sexual Abuse in the Org, caused by rules made by the Leaders of the CCJW. So much proof of lack of love, lack of mercy, lack of understanding by the GB and all in authority in the JW Org, right down to the Elders of the congregations. Remember that the GB's Lawyers deliberately tell lies in court rooms. The GB's rules have kept Pedophiles hidden in the CCJW for years. And what has happened to that 20 plus year Data Base that they had hidden > Has it now been destroyed ? Will the new President legalise Pedophilia and the GB get away with all their wicked deeds ? The GB are not looking out for God's interests. If you cannot see that then you are deliberately blind. I don't think anyone is keeping God's true standards right now, but most of us are not pretending to be the F&DS and not pretending to be Anointed.

It is good to teach children 'values' and even teaching children about God and Christ, but that is different to brainwashing them with lies and false expectations. To push young children into baptism just because some other child has also been pushed into baptism, as if it's a competition. Then to disfellowship them when they go aganst the GB doctrines. This is very true “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”

I thoght this was / is an intersting article. https://www.patheos.com/blogs/secularworldbyaai/2020/11/is-religion-a-choice/ Is Religion a Choice? Not initially, no. You are not offered a choice. Many of us are fed our parent’s choice of faith in the same way that we are given their preferred make of baby milk… Maybe you would choose if you were shown the options but you don’t have that privilege: nobody gives you a menu of religions to select from. Not offering a choice is part of the Get-em-Young strategy. It begins, when you are newly born and can’t voice an objection, with a tribal branding ceremony, which may include being plunged in water or enduring genital mutilation, and it moves on to daily praying, special dietary customs, hair cuts and dress codes. It extends to schooling and gathering to worship once a week in a special hall, and includes ceremonies to mark life events such as weddings and funerals. This is not to mention a calendar of special activities at different times of year. Punishment for disobedience is often involved. Later though, if you are lucky enough to have freedom, you can start to question what you were told and can form your own opinion; you can unchoose. Many notable people have done this. Tony Blair swapped his Protestantism for Catholicism as soon as he left office (being overtly religious is not a vote winner in the UK) and boxer Cassius Clay famously left the Baptist church for Islam, which necessitated changing his name: to Mohammed Ali. This unchoosing is what Muslims try to prevent with the threat of death for apostasy. People born in an Islamic theocracy are often trapped by the fundamentalist leaders’ fear of challenge. Other denominations, such as the Jehovah Witnesses, use psychological sanctions: a would-be leaver has to face up to the prospect of being ostracised by his or her family and community members; the price is a complete loss of society and a need for geographical relocation to start life again without parental support. What does that tell us about religion? “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize” That’s a good saying, whether it was coined by Voltaire, the French Enlightenment philosopher or not (there is some academic disagreement). Unchoosing all religions, ticking the none box in answer to the question, “What is your religion?” on polls and censuses, is becoming increasingly popular where it is permitted. I hope you are in a situation where you can unchoose your religion without coming to harm. -------------------------------------------------- Not my words but, Definitely food for thought......................

You are wrong on so many counts. For instance Matthew 23 v 1 -3 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. 3 Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say. Here is an example of Jesus using 'NOT a good role model' but showing how they should be obedient to instruction whilst not copying example. Add to this the scripture at Romans 13 Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves. 3 For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad.d Do you want to be free of fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad. Now, God knew that those worldly Superior Authorities were not serving Him and not living by Christian principles, but God still uses them to serve his purpose. So if God allows them to have the authority and if God is using them as minister and avenger against bad, it would be wise for Christians to obey those authorities as long as they do not conflict with God's 'laws'.

ng @Srecko Sostar You seem to have done some research and some deep thinking. @Witness You too have done research and deep thinking, but along different lines. @Anna seems to just be defending the CCJW at this point. Though she is very sincere in her thoughts and words. I am not capable of such deep thinking or deep research. In honesty I don't think anyone here on this earth is being guided by God's Holy Spirit right now. It is possible to find so many contradictions in the CCJW teachings, many of which are from years past and some more up to date. It seems to prove that the Leaders of the CCJW / Watchtower do not, and have never had, the guidance of God's Holy Spirit. Of course my saying such things upsets JWs and @Arauna and others will yell "he just hates us". But honest hearted ones will see all the contradictions in the JW Org. @Srecko Sostar I like your point about the 'lawsuits against the WT'. Attacks come in many forms. But those enquiries into Sexual / Legal misconduct of Elders and even of the GB may not be attacks by an 'enemy' but maybe a cleansing by God through Christ. It would come in the form of punishment to those that have allowed themselves to sin in such ways. But God and Christ could be cleaning out the CCJW to make it useable for God's purpose. For if God does not do this then God will need to form a new organisation before the coming Armageddon. @Anna I would like your honest viewpoint on that thought. @Witness You really are bringing different 'food to this table'. Food that i cannot digest. Your thoughts and words speak of Armageddon as if much of it is in the past tense. As if Christs 1,000 reign has already happened ? And much of what you say is far beyond my thinking. So of my own thoughts. It seems to me that everyone here brings there own food to this table. Everyone seems sincere and speaks from an honest heart. So, if we are all sincere, why does God not join us all in harmony ? I am honestly waiting for a True Anointed Remnant to appear, to guide all sincere, God loving people, to truth. God will not destroy His own people, but who are his own people ?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/11/religious-persecution-increasing-pew-research-cent/ The Washington Times - Wednesday, November 11, 2020 Governments have been cracking down on religious expression more than any other time in recent memory, says a new report on global religious persecution. The Pew Research Center’s tracking of government restrictions on religion noted a 50% increase in 2018 since the survey’s inauguration in 2007, according to the report published Tuesday. From outright bans on public worship by Christians and Jews in Qatar to an Australian judge’s refusal to allow a Muslim defendant’s wife to wear a veil in court, the survey documents a year of growing aggression among the world’s governments in disrupting citizens’ religious practices. The survey singles out countries in the Asia-Pacific and North Africa/Middle East, where several nations receive “high” or “very high” persecution ratings. Officials in the Philippines forced three United Methodist Church missionaries to leave the country. Authorities in Thailand arrested six Buddhist monks. And Israeli police injured an Ethiopian Christian while removing him from a church. Meanwhile, the Egyptian government continues to restrict access for Shiite Muslims to a tomb of the Prophet Muhammad’s son, revered by the Sunni majority. The report also cites Myanmar’s displacement of 14,500 Rohingya Muslims and Tajikistan’s increasing control over religious education travel and its continued refusal to recognize Jehovah’s Witnesses. The report also flags persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia, which has confiscated up to $90 million in property from the group. Separate report - https://www.christianpost.com/news/govt-restrictions-on-religion-worldwide-set-record-high.html The most recent data available is from 2018 through a study that rates 198 countries and territories by the levels of government restrictions on religion and also the levels of social hostilities toward religion in those countries. All the studies over the last decade-plus have been based on the same 10-point index. “In 2018, the global median level of government restrictions on religion — that is, laws, policies and actions by officials that impinge on religious beliefs and practices — continued to climb, reaching an all-time high since Pew Research Center began tracking these trends in 2007,” the authors of the new report wrote. The study’s government restrictions index (GRI) measures laws, policies and actions that restrict religious beliefs and practices. The GRI features 20 measures of restrictions that include anything from efforts by governments to ban particular faiths to prohibiting conversion and providing preferential treatment to one or more religious groups. Pew researchers combed through more than 12 publicly available and widely cited sources of information, such as the U.S. State Department’s annual reports on international religious freedom as well as annual reports from the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. Also, researchers referred to reports from several European and United Nations bodies. They also combed through reports from “several independent, nongovernmental organizations.” The authors contend that the increase in government restrictions globally reflects a variety of events and trends, including a rise from 2017 to 2018 in the number of governments using force to coerce religious groups. Uses of force include things like detentions and physical abuse. Pew found that 28% of countries (56) have “high or very high” government restrictions on religion. I think @Arauna has been talking about this for a long time. Whilst not being good for many people, it would seem to be a move forward for God's purpose. Could one call it encouragement ?

You are right @Srecko Sostar they are totally different, but he has no idea.

I can do no more that offer truth. Those that don't want truth will of course ignore my 'contributions'.

How easy it is to pull out one tiny bit of scripture and misuse it. 2 John v 9 - 11 Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. This is the Governing Body of the CCJW. That GB have declared themselves the F&DS, and have told all Anointed Ones not to meet together, even threatening that it would be working against the Holy Spirit. Who on here does not teach about, the Father and the Son ? The ones you laughingly call apostates, are the ones that do believe in Almighty God being the Father and Jesus Christ being the Son. Tell me, what other teaching is anyone bringing here ? Oh yes, of course, You JWs bring in the teaching that everyone MUST be a baptised JW to be saved. So it is made clear that the wicked works are being done by JWs.

@John Houston Keep on deliberately blinding yourself. I laugh at people that use examples about the Nation of Israel. You seem to forget that those people were born into that Nation. However with JWs it is voluntary, so yes they should be 'perfect' in God's eyes through Christ. The difference is between sin due to being imperfect, or, sin due to deliberate actions. And you are misleading yourself if you think God or Christ is happy with the CCJW. Matthew 5 v 48 (to the Anointed ones ) You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Or from the NWT. You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. So, disagree with Almighty God if you wish, but it is not advisable.. And if you have first hand knowledge of the crimes committed in your Org, by the Elders and others, then you should have reported those things to the Police or other 'Superior Authorities'. So it seems that you are part of the problem.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13163853/jehovahs-witness-15-not-allowed-die-judge/ A TEENAGE Jehovah's Witness was ordered to undergo a lifesaving blood transfusion after a concerned judge quashed her religious objection. Doctors received the go-ahead to urgently give the 15-year-old blood when she was just hours from death. At the High Court on Tuesday, November 10, Sir James Munby said the girl's life was in imminent danger, so he had rushed to make his decision, reports the Daily Mail. He explained: "The blood transfusion is imperatively needed and within a timescale measured in hours, and not days. A 1970s ruling says Jehovah's Witnesses' beliefs must be given the same respect as those of other religions when it comes to kids' rights to reject treatment. Appeal Court decisions in the 1990s stress that courts must decide what is in the best interests of under-16s, I've no idea who took this case to court, but it must be difficult for the Judge if he 'has to make the decision' by law. Can anyone condemn him for wanting to safe her life ?

I think @Emma Rose is trying a bit of psychology. She is trying to demoralize all those that she disagrees with. She full well knows of the 'Private Club' for JWs, but she is trying to be clever. Whereas you @Anna are well balanced. Even if you dislike or disagree with some comments you are strong enough to handle them all. I do worry about those that are continuously in denial though, and it does seem that @Emma Rose has a problem there.