Patiently waiting for Truth

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Tell the dodo it couldn’t have been click bait because there was no place given for anyone to click.

Tell little tommy that once a person highlights a comment then that person HAS TO CLICK to get that comment to appear in a new comment box. 

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Tell the dodo it couldn’t have been click bait because there was no place given for anyone to click.

Or does little tommy have a different way to activate the 'quote selection' button without CLICKING ON IT. 

Keep up the insults you false Christian story teller. 

16 hours ago, Pudgy said:

“Follow the data—we need tithes, loopholes, and ever-changing rules, not repentant hearts!”

Ah, this is advertising for the JW Org i see. tithes = donations.  loopholes = clergy penitent privilege 

ever changing rules = new light.   not repentant hearts = immoral elders and m/s. 

20 hours ago, Thinking said:

Needless to say Bro Luciano gave a excellent talk recently on …..it is only Jesus who can Judge who will be saved NOBODY else can say that or even try to say it….he was politely letting us know..the above statement is wrong…

It must be lovely belonging to an organisation run by men that get so many things wrong. BUT as I've said before, the damage has been done to so many people that were JWs or that were looking to serve God. Colateral Damage by a bungling group of men that pretend to be God's mouthpiece. 

21 hours ago, Arauna said:

From your hateful attitude and complaints about everything (except complaints against Satan's organization - which is world wide) - I would say you are well on the way to self-destruction.

 

I have indeed said myself that I'm due to destruction. As for all the other parts of Babylon the Great, this is a JW forum is it not ? And I 'don't do politics' I leave that to the rest of you. 

Look, it's quite simple. Yeshua showed up the faults of the Pharisees etc, but do you say that He had OCD because He did that ?   Yes, Yeshua had the right to judge them, and you might say i have no right to judge the GB and the Org. But as I've said before, each of us judge things and people everey day. As an example, it seems that tom has judged me to be a moron. But seriously, we all judge what we believe, who we believe, what is truth and what is lies. In my opinion we do not one day without making judgements of some type. You judge me and accuse me of OCD. 

If by giving the warnings that I gave, it helps to save one child from abuse, then I will be happy. If by giving the information that i give it helps just one person to steer clear of lies and destruction, then i will be satisfied.  And Yeshua will judge me. 

20 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I’m working up a post with more on that topic of so many going down in the census and subjects related but I’m just not going to do it in front of that moron who ignores the substance of any remark to insert some completely irrelevant insult of those taking the lead in the evangelizing work. In time it will be in the closed forum.

Ha Ha More click bait from little tommy. Be careful with your insults, I thik there is a scripture which warns you of such. 

20 hours ago, Arauna said:

No the Org. is NOT the means to our salvation... but Jesus' ransom  and his father Jehovah.  If you are dedicated to Jehovah and his Son and you are associated with his org.  you are assisted to maintain pure worship (without idolatry etc.) and to remain in a relationship with them. This helps you to remain in this life-saving situation. 

Answer me this question. Did your GB and it's Org teach that a person "Had to be a baptised JW to be saved" ?

I do not believe that the Watchtower / JW Org is HIS (YHWH) org. If it was it would be a clean Organsation teaching truth. 

But the JW Org is idolatry. And the worship is not pure because the GB and it's helpers try to 'run ahead' of God and His Son. 

I have been a JW, I have seen the hidden sins of the congregations and the false teachings of the GB / org. 

19 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Many died because he had a sensus taken of the nation.... I believe in modern language that is called collateral damage..... 

It is a strange passage that appears to upend notions of lives in the present system being incredible important to Jehovah. We usually respond to such passages with a “Moving on, here.”

And the GB seem to use it as an excuse to do likewise.

19 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Most Christians do not accept these names and do NOT believe that Jesus is NOT Jehovah.  Baptism means dedication.  So would you say that dedication to Jehovah and the ransom of Jesus (and maintaining that path) would lead to being saved?

That does not prove that the JW Org is the means to salvation. 

As for baptism I've often wondered who has the 'authority' from God through Yeshua, to baptise people. The instruction was given to the disciples / apostles, that became the Anointed ones at that time.

Also Yeshua gave specific instruction in how to baptise

Berean Study Bible Matthew 28 : 19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,"

But your Org does not follow those instructions, so their baptism is false. 

I think a person should be baptised as a Christian, not as a member of an Organisation. 

I do wonder, if we are all allowed to preach and teach, then should we all be allowed to baptise others ? 

As for dedication, JWs dedicate themselves to the GB and it's Org, not to YHWH through Yeshua. This can easily be shown by the fact that JWs will preach / teach only the things that the GB / Org tells them to preach / teach.  

Time has shown that to be fact and proven it to be so wrong. And people will have died because of it. 

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Confused i am. Because quote from 2006 said:

Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah’s universal organization. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2006366

Thank you Srecko. That article certainly does show that the GB were making that comparison.

Quote 11. "However, we do well to remember that only those actually inside Noah’s ark survived the Flood."

^"12 We therefore have reason to think carefully about our personal situation. Are we actually inside Jehovah’s arrangement of spiritual protection? When the great tribulation strikes, tears of joy and thankfulness will stream down the faces of those who have sought such protection. For others, there will be only tears of sorrow and regret."

^"13 Jehovah has brought about progressive adjustments in the earthly part of his organization....."

I think Srecko has proven the point through that JW article. 

3 hours ago, Thinking said:

The Ark DOES NOT REPRESENT THE ORG….that thought was put forth by Rutherford…and it has been corrected…Russell had the correct understanding .

That THOUGHT was still around in the 1960's and 70's here in England in the JW religion. 

And added to that was,( and probably still is) that 'You have to be a baptised JW to be saved'. 

Those two THOUGHTS were pushed on newly interested ones here in England. (I know, I was that 'soldier') 

29 minutes ago, xero said:

Just out of curiosity (the lawyers thing made me think of this) ....How many people imagine the new world to be completely conflict free?

I suppose it depends what you mean by 'conflict'.  I would have thought physical violence would be stopped. Verbal disagreements would probbaly occur due to the unrightious being resurrected. It would be sad to think that anyone would be physically hurt in what should be a 'safe place'. 

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Maybe it’s that “Patiently waiting for the Truth” is exactly the opposite of the course Jesus recommended:

Oh dear, when he tries he can't even get my user name right. 

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

““Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you;”  (Matt 7:7)

Problem here is that you lot are asking the wrong ones. You aks your GB and they keep giving you lies and false teachings.

And the GB obviously do not ask the right one either, or do not ask in the right way. But of course the GB do not recognise Yeshua now, the GB think they are the 'link' between YHWH and you sheeple. The blind leading the blind. Your GB leading you. 

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

‘Isn’t it enough to patiently wait?”

Your friend @Arauna has previously said that YHWH does things in His own time and has set times for things.

So, yes it is enough to patiently wait.  From the bible of your religion. 

Micah 7 : 7 NWT. 

 But as for me, I will keep on the lookout for Jehovah.lI will show a waiting attitude for the God of my salvation.My God will hear me.

11 hours ago, Arauna said:

Please mention the Name of the one who gave that authority to Jesus!  It is not the patiently in your name that gives me a scratch - it is that you think there is no Truth on the entire earth except your truth. Have you started to acknowledge Jehovah as the father of Jesus? 

The name of the one that gave Yeshua authority is YHWH.  

I wish I had the 'truth'. I only have my own thoughts and my own faith in YHWH through Yeshua. 

But the lies of your GB and the earlier leaders of the Bible Students / Watchtower / JW religion are constantly shown on here by many people. including Anna, JWI, James, et al. 

I have always given praise and thanks to YHWH for His son Yehsua. Thanks for that wonderful ransom sacrifice and for the Holy Scriptures. 

Unfortunately you seem to all be following tiny tom in his tracks. He is the one that trys to tell me what i believe and what i don't, but now it seems that you and Anna are just being tom's parrots. 

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

and Jehovah is the judge of who is righteous. 

I thought Yeshua (Jesus) was the judge as He has 'all authority in heaven and on earth'. 

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

To highlight if the JWs were right or wrong at that time does not matter either;

It only 'does not matter' if you are wicked enough not to care about the damage they did to other people. What Americans call collateral damage i believe. 

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

Many will try to use this history to prove that we are a cult or a false religion

Well the history speaks for itself. Even all the lies about Armageddon which is part of the history ofthe JW org. 

12 hours ago, Arauna said:

He needed to form a nation that were trying to be obedient and were willing to learn

But YHWH didn't find it in the Watchtower /  JW org. From Rusell onward they were not obediant, they were trying to run ahead of God and Christ. How can making false predictions be showing obedience ?  It has all been insults to YHWH and Yeshua. 

I do find it so funny that my user name frightens you all so much. 

Maybe it's the word 'Patiently' because you lot are the opposite and you all want to run ahead with lies and wild ideas.

Or is it the word 'Truth' because you lot hate the word, or do not understand it's meaning.

The JW org is just one of the false organsations earthwide. 

And I do thank you all for the information concerning the F&DS. Your information proves that all the Watchtower leaders / writers / readers, have no idea what truth really is.  @Anna is so funny here because she coppies Tom boy in his insults of me, BUT it is her that gives us so much proof of the lies taught by the Bible Student leaders about the F&DS. 

Come on Anna do you call it all new light ? Sometimes they said it was the 'society' that was the F&DS, then they said it was 'just one man' (Russell), then it became 'all of the Anointed remnant' but oh, then it became 'just the GB'. 

And then we have the 'dates'. Oh dear, the way @JW Insider explains it it is like politicians making up lies and excuses. 

The amount of times the dates / years were changed 'to make it fit' with 1914. NOTE it's not about TRUTH, it's about making it fit their other lies. 

Stop being frightened of TRUTH. And, stop trying to run ahead. IF Yeshua wants you to now something HE will make it known to you. 

Remember that it is YESHUA that has ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth, not your GB. Your GB are nothing. 

18 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Rutherford, as he did many times in the years 1916 to 1929, had to carefully acknowledge that Russell alone had been the one and only faithful and wise servant (faithful and discreet slave), and therefore the sole distributor of spiritual truths up until his death in 1916. Since Russell and/or the Watchtower was the one and only channel of truth in the minds of Watchtower readers, Rutherford had to be very careful when explaining how and why Russell got things wrong.

18 hours ago, JW Insider said:

He very cleverly keeps the 3,960 years of the Genesis 15 "prophecy" intact, but he changes the starting date from 2045 BCE to 2035 BCE, ten years later.

18 hours ago, JW Insider said:

And by 1917, Rutherford had already gone ahead and started promoting a new date of 1925 for the "realized" end of the Gentile Times,

What does all this show to a sensible person ? 

It shows what a massive con it all is. First of all this worship of Russell as being the F&DS. Then this worship of the Watchtower.  Then Rutherford 'being careful' not to upset Watchtower readers.

Then Rutherford changing dates and as you state, 'going ahead'.  Ahead of any guidance from Yeshua. 

BUT you people love them both. You idolise (idolize) them. You pretend that they were important. 

19 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I think I can edit people's posts, but I won't do it. I know I can delete a post entirely.

Yes I'm sure you can and probably do JWI.  It's a sure fact that JWs cannot be trusted with anything 'truthful'. 

On 5/2/2022 at 7:31 PM, JW Insider said:

I hadn't talked about 1914 in a while, and although I have been critical of the teaching, I was trying to think of scriptural reasons that one might accept it as correct.

i think the only point of this topic is to 'try' to bring this forum back from the dead. 

I don't think you really believe one word of what you've written. But good try.

The truth seems to be that, No one on this Earth knows the true meanings / interpretations of the scriptures right now, OR, YHWH / Yeshua have 'sealed up the mouths' of the True Anointed remnant, until the time is right to supply the true information to those that deserve it (not the GB). 

However as you seem to find it fun, do continue  

11 hours ago, Arauna said:

We were taught that in the creation book - so for once you seem to agree with the GB!

I agree with the Scriptures that are inspired by YHWH. If your GB agree that is of no businss of mine. 

14 hours ago, Pudgy said:

an obvious and standard response of someone who realizes his premises are not valid, but is determined to win an argument based on arrogance, alone, knowing he is wrong.

Sounds like most JWs 

On 5/2/2022 at 5:51 PM, xero said:

It's click "bait".

Well it worked.  

11 hours ago, Arauna said:

and he informs BOB to go and do a pleasant task - to tell the GB they are all fired! 

'click bate' of course, but it does show that you want it to happen too. 

You wouldn't write it if you didn't think it, and you wouldn't think it if you didn't feel it inside. 

I think the 'heavens' are a totally different dimension. I think all spirit beings are from that different dimension too. 

The dimention that we live in didn't exist until YHWH and His son Yeshua created it all. 

I thought the Charity Commision here in UK were going to end the 'charity status' of the JW Org because of the Child Sexual Abuse within the Org and because of the GB's obstanance and refusal to change their man made rules. Pity the CC didn't follow through on the plan. 

6 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

and that their exclusionary practice is protected under ECHR art. 9.

It seems they are more concerned about law than about serving YHWH through Christ. 

I would love to read the Watchtower / GB policy on all this. 

14 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

What bothered me was the pride that this brother (the father) had in the fact that by cutting off his son, he was also able to get most people in the congregation(s) to boycott his business and was pushing him toward financial ruin. He was sure that this would either serve as appropriate punishment or could even be the "tough love" that might make him rethink and recant.

Just one more nail in the JW Org coffin. So a JW dad thinks it's ok to 'punish' his son and to cause him financial ruin.

17 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

but instead he was disfellowshipped for disagreement with teachings (unspecified),

What is this supposed to mean ? BUT, it does show that a JW is not allowed to disagree with GB teachngs. 

19 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I assume that Norway might have similarities to Denmark where religion is not taken all that seriously.

I think you could be using this as an excuse GB style. Perhaps both countries take people's lives seriously and not the man made rules of 8 men. 

21 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Denmark subsidizes religions so that there is a place to have birth celebrations, baptisms, weddings and funerals. And for many citizens, the churches are a good avenue for both socializing and organizing charity.

I think the JW Org has got to be one of the biggest social clubs on this Earth. For a start JWs are told not to mix with 'those horrible worldly people', so that means that JWs are confined to socialising with other JWs. 

Add to that the point you made earlier about the man's business being ruined. Why ? Because he only or mainly did business with other JWs. "It's a rat trap and JWs have been caught".

27 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

I think that there is an argument, then, that the Witnesses lose out because they take religion too seriously.

Not necessarily 'too seriously' but wrongly directed. Misuse of scripture and having to agree with the GB and Elders on everything. Otherwise, as above, being d/fed for not obeying the rules. 

29 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

But these other religions, from what I have seen, do not make shunning an imposed policy. It's effectively only a matter of individual conscience. 

Now this is an important point. Is it possible for me to read, in JW / GB policy, the written direction of shunning, and whom should be shunned. Also the punishment for not shunning a person. 

It appears to me like the '1975' arguement. Most JWs say that 1975 was never put into print but many JWs believed it would happen. Now, shunning, is it in writing or just 'word of mouth' rules ? 

On 4/22/2022 at 5:43 PM, Pudgy said:

If it wasn’t for Americans, you would be a slave, and the son or daughter of slaves, and if you still had a tongue, be speaking German.

In your dreams.