Patiently waiting for Truth

Man to man, stop hiding behind a mask. a Space Merchant, a Storm Trooper, a Truther. 
You are a person just as I am. Stop pretending that you make the rules, because you don't. 
You say we are in Debate. I say I'm not interested in your 'debate'. 
In fact you act like a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. you give orders and your expect people to obey. You've tried in on with @Srecko Sostar and with @Witness  and with me. 
BUT, you only have 'power' IF people allow you to have such power. And I do not allow you to have that power over me. 

I am not seriously interested in your terms. But do tell me what 'accusations' I have made against 'a community' 
 

Actually it was I that took up the challenge because you made a point of saying that I should start a new topic. 
Well I started a new topic ! 
BUT once again you miss the whole point of it. It's not that you are 'blind' to what i write. But I can read in your words that you deliberately twist things. 
This is not only with me. You do it to @Witness and you do it to @Srecko Sostar .  
Now my point about people giving themselves or their Organistion a 'title' relating to the word Truth. 
Anyone can use that word Truth. Tom Harley calls himself @TrueTomHarley  You call your self a Truther
The JWs say they are in the 'truth'. 
The word TRUTH therefore loses it's meaning, ( especially concerning the Watchtower / JW Org.
I have no interest in what you Truthers say or do, as to me it is just part of the 'world'.  
And I am also not interested in digging into politics, one side or the other. I'm not interested in calling people 'Left' or ' Right' as that is getting involved with the world. 
BUT back on topic. THE TOPIC IS ABOUT THE USE OF THE WORD TRUTH.
And I repeat, the word TRUTH has lost it's original meaning, because to many People or Orgs misuse it. 
Maybe that is part of the Devil's plan. Words get diluted, they lose their original meaning, that can mean if we are not careful, when we read scripture we might lose the true sense of it. 

That's fine, but as far as Mr. Butler is concerned here, I told him that if he made an accusation regarding the community that I play a role in helping, that would lead to a debate between him and me, and he did. did here.

A man calls himself a TRUTHER. 
Another man calls himself TRUE 
And an Organisation says they have the TRUTH.
But Jesus says (recorded at Matthew 9 :13.
Berean Study Bible
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
God's word is TRUTH, that is real truth.  The Pharisees had the Hebrew scriptures, so it could be said that the Pharisees 'had truth'.
So why did Jesus condemn the Pharisees ? Because the Pharisees were hypocrites. They knew those scriptures well, but used it to be dictators of the people. 
Hence the scripture above. Almighty God and Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. That scripture proves it. 
Unfortunately those words TRUTH or TRUE are now thrown about so much they have lost their real meaning. And if a Person or an Organsaition needs to use it as a title then what does it show ?  
Well here on this forum it seems to show that such people could easily be the type very similar to the Pharisees. Sticking to the Law, but avoiding the Mercy.  
Of course no true Christian would condone immorality. No true Christian would take part in immorality either. But, no true Christian would lack that Mercy that Jesus instructed either. 

Space Merchant wants 'free advertising'. He wants me to do 'research' to advertise his 'community'. 
I'm not falling for it. He has called himself a Truther for so long, it is obvious that he has wanted people to ask him what they are.  
Maybe @Space Merchant should make a new topic where he can advertise his 'community'. 
 
 

Yes funny that you take this one line out of context. WHEREAS you would use other quotes in context.
You certainly seem to have JW training. 
I'm sure that 'quote' above also said "If you think I am John Butler, then I am" 

Twisting my words yet again. 
Where did I call Truthers liars ?
Where did I call Jewish leaders liars ?
Yes I will close this topic also, because you SM just want to stir up trouble for no reason. 
THIS TOPIC WAS ABOUT HOW THE WORDS TRUTH AND TRUE LOST THEIR MEANING BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER USED 
 

Oh, well, the topic is "TRUTH TRUTHER TRUE. THE WORDS LOSE THEIR MEANING IN OVER USE", and in this rare case, I thought I actually stayed on topic!

I didn't ask for research, you were asked as to what a Truther is as per segment I.
Falling for what, you were told if you made an accusation it would spawn a debate.
 No need to.
Here is the name of your topic

 
The debate revolves around 3 things:
What is a Truther, hence the accusations, What is truth of the Scriptures, and the notation you profess for Matthew 9:13
 
That being said, if you can't hold up to even that, it just shows what people think of former Witnesses, as to not only people on this forum, but to even guests who come here.
You won't be asked again. For you are displaying Evasion - Question Dodging.

I did, as is the notation of you speaking of yourself in 3rd person to deviate - hence Tom and Anna in this regard. I also missed someone else - Leander H. McNelly, who called it out, and your reaction was nowhere to be found compared to your reaction to Tom and Anna.
Because you are him, that is why I purposely left out JWI's conclusion.
Why would there be a need to get you removed from this forum? You speaking simply shows guests what becomes of former JWs, simple as that, which proves the claim over at CSE and other Abrahamic Faiths as factual.
That being said, you are free to abandon the 3rd person mantra to fool people, you can even rename yourself as what you were originally called, it makes no difference.
Anyways, I believe we had a debate going on, you seem to be wasting time, which proves my claim of you unable to debate. Very shortly, I will conclude segment I.
Srecko coined it, I merely respond, and you reacted, more so you asked for it, hence the end result.
 
EDIT:
As expected, hence the notation of your reactions equating to the latter

Hence the following mentions of Anna and JWI and Tom, as for what was addressed in said thread. You used 3rd person mannerism in order to evade the suspicion. Reasons why I addressed Harley, Anna and JWI, as well as Tom afterwards.

Obviously not. It has nothing to do with desire, just denial. It was all thanks to you by the way to not confirm it, but to make John react to this revelation, hence past remarks.
Plus he asked for it. So I presented.
That being said, I asked you 2 questions.
 
EDIT
And there you have it - @Patiently waiting for Truth reacted as was address with the notation of Anna and JWI - mic dropped - case closed.

Is your real name "Space Merchant"? I am not making problem with that. Also, i don't understand your strong desire to deal with the issue of who is called on a forum where almost everyone has fictitious names.

@Patiently waiting for Truth You essentially initiated the debate, so hold to that respect. But I see you are attempting to avoid debate by trying to bring this old game up, JB.
 
But since you asked for it, why not? Let's go through some receipts:

As for evidence, there are several examples. @TrueTomHarley and you were going about Watchtower religious leaders, governing body, where which Tom coined if "Are you sure you are not John Butler" you brushed it off, stating what he said was rubbish, adding to the fact, Tom would be above that, thus denied it.
 
Even here

Both you and John Butler often speak of the same thing in the same patterns concerning WT, GB, CSA, and both of you always have a negative reaction to @Anna, @TrueTomHarley, @Arauna. Not only the mention of such, but also the same mannerism, and the reaction towards from @Witness and @Srecko Sostar is often not the same.
If you haven't noticed, the meme you reacted to, was a lowkey test. Which had nothing to do with race, you you claim racism. Butler did the same thing with the evidence/facts provided by the FBI concerning Child Sex Abuse regarding the demographics of the abuser, going as far as to even post a video of old school Hip-Hop. When can called out for purposely angering a Teenaged Jehovah's Witnesses, he got angry (this resulted in John essentially crying to Admin to do something)
 


Which is equated to the recent one as seen below

 
The irony is, the only person who is aware I am Black, or as you say "a man of colour" was Allen, Tom and John Butler, but only Butler was the one to constantly bring it up In fact, only John brings up that TERM as shown here in the search history - https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/search/?q="man of colour"&quick=1
The irony is it was only directed to me alone. The first time you mentioned it, you put heavy emphasis on this notation as shown below:

 
You angered @Equivocation a while back when using Ebonics and mocked his uncle, who isn't a Jehovah's Witness, but helps them, thus you past judgment, to the point you cried out to Admin when Srecko or Witness didn't come to help you, this resulted in Admin shutting down the thread, and to @Equivocation's credit, if he is asked of what happen, I am sure, him, being a Jehovah's Witness, will recall said account.
Then we have @JW Insider raising suspicion of you being him.

In that thread, we see you showed no reaction to @JW Insider. To which you later went on a rant regarding Billy The Kid in this shared link [JW Insider connecting the dots]' Even Harley called it out.
@Anna even got on into this as shown here

Even to her, no reaction, for as pointed out, your reaction are somewhat spontaneous depending on who said it and how:

 
 
There is more, but I will leave it at that so in regards to your questions
Known because I was among the early persons who know about the situation with Billy, only JWI committed to deducing it when you on several occasions denied it, this also goes for any allusions.
You did, @TrueTomHarley was among the first to mention that, Allen, Billy, etc. You even attest to making a remark as to people who assumed you to be him, and we can see that in both your spontaneous reaction, despite claims. This is also evident to the mannerism as shown above. At one point even @Witness was accused of being Butler, but that was false due to the fact her mannerism differ from yours/JB.
You even speak of yourself in 3rd Person, as is hold an legitimate defense if John Butler is coined by anyone whom you at times do not agree with.
Need I say more? - God is witness.
Oh and yes - there is more, but I drop the mic to what is stated above.
That being said, let's also not forget @Srecko Sostar called you out as John - 
 
Same person, yet wears a different mask, in the words of Butler - 

It seems to be a pervasive disease in all religion established at the hands of men!

@Witness This is an ongoing debate that was initiated. To your respects, you can make a thread about what you quoted if need be.

This is such a good topic.
Jesus said, “Sanctify them [purify, consecrate, separate them for Yourself, make them holy] by the Truth; Your Word is Truth.”  (AMPC)  John 17:17
In Revelation, it mentions a “sea of glass”, the “river of the water of life”, and the description of the spiritual temple…all signified “as clear as crystal”, “as pure as transparent glass”.  Rev 4:6; 21:11,21; 22:1 
There are multiple aspects to the word of God that have been misused and twisted by men, creating the wrong impression of who God is.  If Jesus is the “truth”, (John 14:6) and is “the image of the invisible God”, it is through him that we come to understand pure truth. (Col 1:15) We can’t take just one aspect of the words of Christ, interject the words of men as the Wt. has, and say we are “in the truth”. This applies also to all aspects of religion in the world.   In Daniel, because the temple/anointed have been trampled in the organization, it tells us that “truth has been thrown to the ground”. Dan 8:9-12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+8%3A9-12&version=NIV
If the anointed were to work together under Jesus Christ…as the early anointed were able to, the living water of truth would be running clear as crystal. (John 7:38)  Since the saints are silenced and scattered throughout the world of JWs…since they submit to the doctrine of men, there is no longer any trickle of truth in the organization. 
 “‘As for you, my flock, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will judge between one sheep and another, and between rams and goats. 18 Is it not enough for you to feed on the good pasture? Must you also trample the rest of your pasture with your feet? Is it not enough for you to drink clear water? Must you also muddy the rest with your feet? 19 Must my flock feed on what you have trampled and drink what you have muddied with your feet?”  Ezek 34:17-19
If they are “ambassadors for Christ”, (2 Cor 5:20) they are to be ambassadors for truth; but through Satan’s sly works, they have become ambassadors for men and their lies.  If only they would ALL wake up and leave.  The symbolic “great street” or pathway of the holy city, is paved with gold, representing clear truth in Jesus Christ.
“These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.”  Rev 3:14-20
 

Man to man, stop hiding behind a mask. a Space Merchant, a Storm Trooper, a Truther. 
You are a person just as I am. Stop pretending that you make the rules, because you don't. 
You say we are in Debate. I say I'm not interested in your 'debate'. 
In fact you act like a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. you give orders and your expect people to obey. You've tried in on with @Srecko Sostar and with @Witness  and with me. 
BUT, you only have 'power' IF people allow you to have such power. And I do not allow you to have that power over me. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58195419
Six people, including a suspected gunman, have died in a shooting in Plymouth.
Devon and Cornwall Police said three females, two males and the suspect had died in the Keyham area of the city on Thursday evening.
One of the dead was a child under 10, according to an MP, but the shooting is not terror-related, police confirmed.
The death toll means it is the worst mass shooting in the UK for more than a decade.
Emergency services were called to Biddick Drive shortly after 18:00 BST on Thursday.
People were told to stay inside and follow police advice as the emergency response developed.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/13/plymouth-shooting-suspect-what-we-know-jake-davison
Jake Davison, the suspected Plymouth attacker, portrayed himself as a man in despair who raged against the success of others and his own failure to find a girlfriend and lose weight.
In what the 22-year-old described as an “unscripted rant” posted just over two weeks ago, he said “for the most part it’s just been me against the world”.
In two videos posted late last month he comes across as a man struggling with his mental health and full of loathing for himself and others.
In the most recent, he says: “It’s just been me fighting an uphill battle with a big f---ing rock on my back, seeing motherf---ers that don’t deserve half of anything now. They’re getting a free ride to the top.”
He compared life to a Terminator movie where “everything is rigged against you – there’s no hope for humanity”.
Davison twice likened himself to an “incel” – a member of a group of men who define themselves as unable to find romantic love, and express online hostility and resentment towards those who are sexually active, particularly women. And he complained that he lacked friends and a support network.
“Maybe the business owner might go bankrupt twice … but guess what he had a wife and kids to support him. Does incel or virgin get that? No. Imagine failing at everything in life and having absolutely no support whatsoever.”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19511398.plymouth-killer-jake-davison-incel-blackpill-meaning/
Plymouth killer Jake Davison: What is an 'incel' and blackpill meaning?
A gunman who killed five people in Plymouth before pulling the trigger on himself in the UK's worst mass shooting since 2012 has been named locally as Jake Davison. 
The suspected killer, whose victims included a child under 10, was a self proclaimed 'incel' according to videos posted on his YouTube channel. 
In the videos, the 23-year-old apprentice crane operator claimed to be "defeated by life", blaming his problems on his lack of girlfriend. 
He also makes references to being an "incel" on the channel as well as the "black pill" philosophy subscribed to by the subculture. 
An incel is an abbreviation for "involuntary celibate" which is an online subculture group of people who state they are unable to find a romantic partner despite desiring one. 
Online incel forums are often underlined by discussions of resentment and hatred, mysogyny, misanthropy (contempt for the human species), and racism. 
They also frequently include endorsements of violence against women, with incel culture having been described as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem". 
There have been numerous cases in which mass murderers have claimed to be part of incel culture, with violence linked to the subculture resulting in the deaths of up to 50 people in the US and Canada.  
Examples include Elliott Rodger, who killed six people in America after publishing a 141-page document detailing his intense hatred of women. 
The killer inspired others in the incel community: in 2018, Alek Minassian posted on Facebook: "The Incel Rebellion has already begun… All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"
He then proceeded to kill ten people by driving a van into a crowded street in Toronto. 
What is the 'blackpill' philosophy?
The black pill philosophy refers to a set of commonly held beliefs among the incel community, which has been described as a "profoundly sexist ideology" that "amounts to a fundamental rejection of women's sexual emancipation, labeling women shallow, cruel creatures who will choose only the most attractive men if given the choice". 
The belief also subscribes to the idea that success with the opposite sex is determined by genetics at birth. 
People who to have "taken the black pill" believe they are a hopeless case who will never have any success romantically or sexually.
Suspected Plymouth shooter Jake Davison claimed he had been "consuming a black pill overdose" in an online comment. 

I have no interest in YOUR rules or terms. They mean nothing to me. 
As for a name, you can call me anything you wish. Tom usually does. 
When John Butler was drastically removed from this forum, he could not return as John Butler.  He had to return as someone else. NOT HIS CHOICE. 
BUT you said I denied being John Butler, so prove it Truther. 

A man calls himself a TRUTHER. 
Another man calls himself TRUE 
And an Organisation says they have the TRUTH.
But Jesus says (recorded at Matthew 9 :13.
Berean Study Bible
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
God's word is TRUTH, that is real truth.  The Pharisees had the Hebrew scriptures, so it could be said that the Pharisees 'had truth'.
So why did Jesus condemn the Pharisees ? Because the Pharisees were hypocrites. They knew those scriptures well, but used it to be dictators of the people. 
Hence the scripture above. Almighty God and Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. That scripture proves it. 
Unfortunately those words TRUTH or TRUE are now thrown about so much they have lost their real meaning. And if a Person or an Organsaition needs to use it as a title then what does it show ?  
Well here on this forum it seems to show that such people could easily be the type very similar to the Pharisees. Sticking to the Law, but avoiding the Mercy.  
Of course no true Christian would condone immorality. No true Christian would take part in immorality either. But, no true Christian would lack that Mercy that Jesus instructed either. 

Man to man, stop hiding behind a mask. a Space Merchant, a Storm Trooper, a Truther. 
You are a person just as I am. Stop pretending that you make the rules, because you don't. 
You say we are in Debate. I say I'm not interested in your 'debate'. 
In fact you act like a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. you give orders and your expect people to obey. You've tried in on with @Srecko Sostar and with @Witness  and with me. 
BUT, you only have 'power' IF people allow you to have such power. And I do not allow you to have that power over me. 

Actually it was I that took up the challenge because you made a point of saying that I should start a new topic. 
Well I started a new topic ! 
BUT once again you miss the whole point of it. It's not that you are 'blind' to what i write. But I can read in your words that you deliberately twist things. 
This is not only with me. You do it to @Witness and you do it to @Srecko Sostar .  
Now my point about people giving themselves or their Organistion a 'title' relating to the word Truth. 
Anyone can use that word Truth. Tom Harley calls himself @TrueTomHarley  You call your self a Truther
The JWs say they are in the 'truth'. 
The word TRUTH therefore loses it's meaning, ( especially concerning the Watchtower / JW Org.
I have no interest in what you Truthers say or do, as to me it is just part of the 'world'.  
And I am also not interested in digging into politics, one side or the other. I'm not interested in calling people 'Left' or ' Right' as that is getting involved with the world. 
BUT back on topic. THE TOPIC IS ABOUT THE USE OF THE WORD TRUTH.
And I repeat, the word TRUTH has lost it's original meaning, because to many People or Orgs misuse it. 
Maybe that is part of the Devil's plan. Words get diluted, they lose their original meaning, that can mean if we are not careful, when we read scripture we might lose the true sense of it. 

@Patiently waiting for Truth Please address Segment I. We are not playing the game of going around the focus subject. Debates do not play the same rules as discussions often professed here.