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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Which method of execution is accurate and true? A or B?   
    Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands,
    When Jesus said HANDS he meant hands. 
    And do you think Thomas didn't know how Jesus was killed ?
    Thomas said HANDS which is plural and NAILS  which is plural.  Not ONE nail through the wrists. 
    The Watchtower were /are just looking for ways to pretend to be different and trying to pretend they are clever. 
    But instead the Watchtower tell lies and deceive people. I'm sure there is a scripture about false prophets producing signs and wonders. Each and every lie the GB / Org tell is just more blasphemy, and they will pay the price. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Unfortunately people do not understand the "why" as to which terms derive from, elders, pastors, deacons, servants, etc.. Not only the passage from Acts 15, but the history itself.
    It is also the body of apostles in the first century of which many debates take place concerning Christianity today, mainly in the Trinitarian vs Anti-Trinitarian arena, even about Paul, as is with those who try to dismantle God's Structure with some teachings not met for the church when the Bible tells you exactly of how the Church is structured and by what in terms of God's Order.
    That being said, the New Age teachings has been quite the thorn to those who
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Like the Days of Noah...   
    True - they were not called GB but they performed this important function. A group of anointed Christians were sending out letters and making centralized decisions from Jerusalem.  For example, James (the brother of Jesus) presided over the meetings about circumcision and Paul specially went ack to Jerusalem to Witness about the gentiles receiving Jehovah's spirit. They made a centralized decision and sent out letters to all congregations to inform them that circumcision of gentiles was not needed.
    Read all about this in Acts 15.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Like the Days of Noah...   
    By word, no, by root and or expression, yes. If there was no root then it would have been a violation.
    The Apostles and a few older men are one of the governing bodies in the church hierarchy, can also be referred to as a Council. It is most likely based on Acts 15 and all references concerning such, primarily verses 2, 4 and 6 within the passage itself whereas a group of older men who lead the Christian Church Congregation as is with settling matters, as well as give council, hence by some they are referred to as a Council or a council of men.
    It is rooted with the terms that does not violate the Greek text, mainly towards those who hold religious office within a Church Structure. They can also refer to those who are servants, otherwise known as servants. Stewards are those who are taking the lead, examples being the apostles and other Christian teachers, elders (Presbyteros) and bishops/overseers (Episkopos), as is with servants/ministers/deacons (Diakonous) of whom either holds office and or make up the body. There is also the terms a freeman or a trusted slave/servant. An example of this would be Abraham to Eliezer of Damascus, for Eliezer is the steward of Abraham, and or his servant/slave.
    (Titus 1:7 and 1 Corinthians 4:1, 2, as well as connected verses) Abraham and Eliezer - see (Genesis 13:2, 14:14,15:2, 23:17-20, Acts 7:4, 5) In Peter's case (1 Peter 4:10), he points out that Christians, Overseers and others are all stewards of God's undeserved kindness, which is expressed in a variety of ways - being in God's arrangement in which faithful servitude and or stewardship is carried out.
    Peter points out to all Christians, overseers and others, that they are stewards of God’s undeserved kindness expressed in various ways, and he shows that each has a sphere, or a place, in God’s arrangement in which he can carry out a faithful stewardship.
    So in short, the word itself does have a connection to the Greek expressions noted above, and such terms in various translations do not violate said terms.
    The remark "True Anointed" however, it never utter even by expression for both those words are never joined together. Aleipho is often found by itself, be it if translated as Chosen, Anointed, etc. There is never a word tagged along with it that who violates the Greek grammar itself.
    Alas, another person who knows about the Constitution on this forums:
     
                                                          
    Other then that, the principle itself is pretty much adopted by most in Law concerning judicial actions and or groups in the committee who take action based on decisions, i.e. Chair, Ranking members, vice chair, etc.
    The only difference compared to Abrahamic Religious and or early Christianity is that it is only men who hold such office in the church, this is all in accordance with God's Structure of things.
    One thing for certain, going back on an old example I used, imperfect men differ from one another, so decisions can vary in some instances, so mistakes can be made, in some cases, mainly if the person within these committees are unequipped to handle certain situations.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in Which method of execution is accurate and true? A or B?   
    Handcuffs that bind the Hands.  Notice the area that is actually Bound?

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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Hence we need a TRUE ANOINTED that ARE Inspired of God's Holy Spirit, to be that spiritual JEW that will lead us 'little dogs' to God through Christ. BUT this needs to happen Earth wide now, before the coming Judgement. Because I believe that Armageddon is going to be a real 'physical' happening, and I believe this Earth will be cleansed.. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    I've never seen the words 'Governing Body' in the scriptures either.  
    But you know why I use the term 'True Anointed', because your Bosses / GB say that a lot of 'anointed ones' are mentally ill. So I am only talking about a True Anointed remnant, not so called 'mentally ill' people.  But of course Jesus Christ has the authority and know his real Brothers. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Like the Days of Noah...   
    I have never seen the word "true anointed" in the bible.  You are going to wait a looooooong time!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Like the Days of Noah...   
    All this stuff reminds me of the Jimmy Carter Administration, when you could only buy gas if it was an even numbered day and you had "even number" license plates, unless of course your vehicle had out of State tags, or it was Tuesday and you were an Eskimo, or your drivers' license was in braille.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Like the Days of Noah...   
    It's amazing how this leadership imitates the Pharisees.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    The whole judicial process of 3 men taking you in the back room in secret is unbiblical.
    If after going to your brother or sister about their “problem” doesn’t work (Matthew 18:15), and after taking two others along and taking to them about said “problem” still doesn’t work (Matthew 18:16);
    then the church is to be involved in the matter:
    “If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.” Matthew 18:17.
    Well, who is “the church”? 
    The church the Body of Christ:
    “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions.” Colossians 1:24
    “He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.” Colossians 1:18
    When was the last time an anointed was involved in a judicial matter? All these judicial matters are supposed to be brought before the anointed body of Christ before any decision is made.
    Does this happen? No. Instead they get 3 men to judge you in secret. 
    The only trial ever recorded in the Bible which was done in secret was the trial of Jesus Christ. 
    “For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.” Ephesians 5:12
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in Which method of execution is accurate and true? A or B?   
    Which method of execution is accurate and true? A or B?

    In order for the following prophecy to be fulfilled, “He is guarding all his bones; Not one of them has been broken.” (Psalm 34:20) Which method of death is accurate and true?

    Driving a nail through the hand would of broken bones. And if the nail should be placed between the fingers, the flesh would easily tear under the weight. But if a nail was driven through his flesh between the bones that surrounded the nail, not only would the prophecy be fulfilled but it would attach the body to the stauros.

    Broken bones would have hasten his death and the torture would have been cut short. Jesus was already beaten, tortured, and flogged to the point of exhaustion that a bystander was compelled into service to carry his torture stake.

    See X-ray...
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Even though the things being said here may be true, I still laugh at JWs (and those of other religions) that think JWs are 'safe' in their Org.  Spouting about Babylon the Great and wicked world organisations, when the Watchtower / JW Org is so full of lies and immorality. That is hypocrisy. 
    It is also quite interesting to see how certain people like to pigeonhole others. Another member here has now started to do this i see. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    I was suggesting, on this forum last year, that Armageddon would be around ten years from now. So no I don't  'lack the urgency' but i don't put an exact year on it either.  
    It just seems strange to me that JWs believe that God through Christ, would want to use an immoral, dishonest Organisation to gather right hearted people together to 'survive' Armageddon.  In my opinion Christ will 'raise up' / bring together the True Anointed remnant, and fill them with Holy Spirit, so that they will oversee an Association of willing servants of God through Christ. Truth needs to be taught to people soon to give everyone the chance to serve God before the coming destruction. I do not think the Watchtower / JW Org is seriously interested in teaching truth. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    I agree with what you say that the Anointed are God's temple. The scriptures make that very clear to those that want to understand it. 
    But why do people believe that the JW Org holds every member of the anointed remnant ? 
    And what do you think will be the way out ? Will the JW Org be cleansed or will a new Association be formed ? 
    We certainly need a True Anointed remnant to lead us to truth through Christ, before the 'end comes'. 
    It might be nice to think we can do it on our own as individuals, but I really think we need to be part of an association. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Um, I think this might be what @Arauna calls 'lumping scriptures together'.
    And I think Mr Rambo is clutching at straws here. He's still stuck fast to 1914 and the 120 years = 2034. 
    This seems to have already happened to JWs in Russia and a few other places.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    As I do not believe that name to be God's true name, then it has no relevance to me. 
    Even you chop and change between Jehovah and Yehovah, so it seems you yourself are not sure. 
    But :-  Matthew 7 : 21 - 23
    “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
    Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
    So it seems from this scripture that the 'prophesying' and 'works' are not what count in God's or Christ's viewpoint.  The Watchtower / JW Org is unclean and unloving. 
    I remember hearing a story about a sister that was immoral, committing adultery, but she thought that spending more time in the ministry would 'make up for it'.  That's how I see the JW Org, covering over their sins by pretending to serve God.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in The truth about Jesus' Resurrection   
    If one does not change, they remain the same, and eventually they start to complain.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914. 
    Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
    For you men say:  “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
    Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
    But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
    The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
    “Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
    “its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
    As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
    In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
    The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read. 
    According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
    "Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
    "BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    As I do not believe that name to be God's true name, then it has no relevance to me. 
    Even you chop and change between Jehovah and Yehovah, so it seems you yourself are not sure. 
    But :-  Matthew 7 : 21 - 23
    “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.
    Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
    So it seems from this scripture that the 'prophesying' and 'works' are not what count in God's or Christ's viewpoint.  The Watchtower / JW Org is unclean and unloving. 
    I remember hearing a story about a sister that was immoral, committing adultery, but she thought that spending more time in the ministry would 'make up for it'.  That's how I see the JW Org, covering over their sins by pretending to serve God.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Reading the biblical passages, commentaries, and teachings of WTJWorg, I come to further questions.
    WTJWorg claims that the anointed (remaining of the literal number 144,000) are in their Organization. The Bible claims that the anointed flee from Satan and seek salvation in the "wilderness", because God has found refuge there, for her.
    But on the other hand WTJWorg and JW claim and believe they are in a “spiritual paradise”. So then I ask; 1) How did the symbolic “desert” (place of salvation) become a literal “spiritual paradise” (place of salvation like Noah’s ark) !?
    2) Is WTJWorg a “desert” or a “paradise”? Because there is a “woman” there, that is, there are supposedly all the anointed ones.
    What is “desert” in biblical terminology? What does that word mean according to dictionaries? For example, the dictionary ( Merriam Webster) says this for that word:
    1a(1): a tract or region uncultivated and uninhabited by human beings
    (2): an area essentially undisturbed by human activity together with its naturally developed life community
    b: an empty or pathless area or region in remote wildernesses of space groups of nebulae are found— G. W. Gray †1960
    c: a part of a garden devoted to wild growth
    2 obsolete : wild or uncultivated state
    3a: a confusing multitude or mass : an indefinitely great number or quantity, I would not have given it for a wilderness of monkeys— William Shakespeare
    b: a bewildering situation
    Definition of bewildering
    : extremely confusing or difficult to understand
    Explaining Rev. 12, WTJWorg says that a woman gave birth to a son, and that son is the Kingdom that was born in 1914, as JW's believes.
    3) But the Kingdom is/are also the anointed (and not just Jesus Christ as King) who continued to live in the “wilderness”. How is that possible? Where is the Kingdom? In the heaven? In the desert? In WTJWorg? In the hearts of believers?
    4) Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. - Rev 12:17 The Bible says that a "woman" gave birth to only one son, and that is the Kingdom, according to WTJWorg interpretation. Because "women" is/are all anointed. The "woman" did not give birth to anointed ones. They (anointed) are the Kingdom, they are Anointed who gave birth to son aka Kingdom.  Who else did the "woman" give birth to and how? 
     
    THE BIBLE SAYS:
    What is God’s Kingdom?
    It is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/gods-kingdom-what-is-it/
    According to the WTJWorg interpretation, Kingdom was established in 1914 and Christ began to rule as King in 1914. However, this is questionable because He cannot rule alone. He needs (literal number in JW religion) 144,000 kings and priests. Since the JW's believe that thousands of anointed are still on Earth, this means that the Kingdom could not have been born in 1914, nor could it have begun to rule in 1914. The Kingdom does not have a complete Administration to be a legal and legitimate authority. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Um, I think this might be what @Arauna calls 'lumping scriptures together'.
    And I think Mr Rambo is clutching at straws here. He's still stuck fast to 1914 and the 120 years = 2034. 
    This seems to have already happened to JWs in Russia and a few other places.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    He asked all his followers to pray for it. 
    Yes, of course, my bad. I should have been more specific; he had been faithful until death, and that is what qualified him to receive all authority as king. Just like when the anointed die faithful, when they are resurrected they receive the crown of life. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    The gentile times are 42 months and happen in the lords day, not 2520 years prior.
    “By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet” Revelation 1:10
    That’s when John saw Jerusalem being trampled for a symbolic 42 months:
    “But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city [the anointed] underfoot for 42 months” Revelation 11:2
    The apostles asked when will these things actually be: “Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be [future tense], and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” Luke 21:7
    Jesus was informing his apostles that all these things will happen during the Lords day/Jesus presence/parousia. 
    One of the signs of Jesus presence is that Jerusalem/the anointed are being trampled…
    “They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be [future tense] trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled [gentile times are 42 months].” Luke 21:24. This is harmonious with Revelation 11:2.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Even though the things being said here may be true, I still laugh at JWs (and those of other religions) that think JWs are 'safe' in their Org.  Spouting about Babylon the Great and wicked world organisations, when the Watchtower / JW Org is so full of lies and immorality. That is hypocrisy. 
    It is also quite interesting to see how certain people like to pigeonhole others. Another member here has now started to do this i see. 
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