Patiently waiting for Truth

These arsons of the churches happening just after the discovery of all those children found with out even the the dignity of their names being placed on a small marker has been a devastating blow to the first Nations, but committing acts such as these arsons is very very out of character for Native Americans.

The man of lawlessness sits in the temple of God:
“He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4
The temple are the anointed:
“Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16
By suggesting the man of lawlessness sits in false religion, that would mean the true temple of the anointed body of Christ are all residing in false religion/Christendom. That would be a serious problem. The man of lawlessness sits in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses because the organization holds every single temple member right now.

Um, I think this might be what @Arauna calls 'lumping scriptures together'.
And I think Mr Rambo is clutching at straws here. He's still stuck fast to 1914 and the 120 years = 2034. 
This seems to have already happened to JWs in Russia and a few other places.  

Rishi Sunak knows all about this, he raised the subject months ago. Reuters and ‘Moneyweek’ have reported on it.
(perhaps in the future we will need a COVID passport and a Bitcoin wallet to buy or sell at the local supermarket?!)
 

https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/02/churches-are-being-burned-down-in-canada/#:~:text= St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri,on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.
Not JW related, but related to abuse and death of many children it would seem.  Hopefully all of those children will rise again in the Resurrection once this Earth has been made clean. 
 
In the last nine days there has been a total of eight churches that have been burned down in Canada. All eight of the churches were settled on the First Nation’s reserve in Western Canada and authorities have declared that the fires were caused by “suspicious activity”. St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri Tekakwitha Church were the latest churches to be burned down and were completely destroyed due to the fact the churches were made of wood.
The fires come after unmarked graves have been discovered on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.

https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/02/churches-are-being-burned-down-in-canada/#:~:text= St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri,on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.
Not JW related, but related to abuse and death of many children it would seem.  Hopefully all of those children will rise again in the Resurrection once this Earth has been made clean. 
 
In the last nine days there has been a total of eight churches that have been burned down in Canada. All eight of the churches were settled on the First Nation’s reserve in Western Canada and authorities have declared that the fires were caused by “suspicious activity”. St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri Tekakwitha Church were the latest churches to be burned down and were completely destroyed due to the fact the churches were made of wood.
The fires come after unmarked graves have been discovered on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.

https://realscreen.com/2021/07/16/vice-tvs-vice-versa-doc-on-jehovahs-witnesses-set-to-premiere-this-month/
Cable network Vice TV announced a new documentary special on Jehovah’s Witnesses that’s set to air later this month on July 28.
Vice Versa: Crusaders examines the global religious organization, its carefully curated message of faith and its nearly unblemished public veneer, and investigates alleged corruption within the organization and its work to shame, silence and ostracize others.
Kaufman is himself a former third-generation Jehovah’s Witness who faced shunning from his family after starting a four-year investigation into the religion’s handling of allegations of child sexual abuse within its congregations.
“After witnessing firsthand the cycle of abuse that runs deep within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, I could not rest until the dark truth of this organization was brought to light,” Kaufman said in a Vice news release. “Vice Versa: Crusaders exposes those who use their immense power and influence to maintain control in the name of God.”
The documentary includes revealing interviews with whistleblowers, former members and one current witness, as well as access to leaked documents.

Thank you for your time and patience, and for your opinion.
The points of, when Jesus became King and about, when the Kingdom first started, are important to me. And the point about 1914, in my opinion, should be important to everyone that is searching for truth.  
But please compare that with the JW viewpoint about the Cross or the Stake. 
Also compare it with certain people on this forum that 'brag' about JWs 'knowledge' concerning, the trinity, immortality of the soul, hell fire   etc...  The Watchtower / Org enjoys making known such things, but maybe not so happy when their own teachings are questioned. 
Whilst I do admit that the Watchtower / Org has made things clearer to those that may have believed in the mainstream church teachings, have the same W/t / Org replaced untruth with, untruth ? 
As the Watchtower / GB / Org keep pushing 1914 as one of their 'Core beliefs' or main doctrines, then it is obviously a foundation stone on which the JW Org is standing. If this foundation stone were to crumble, would the JW Org fall ?
I have personally got to the point where I care not if the W/t / JW Org stands or falls, because it is not important. What is important is TRUTH.  ALL people on earth right now deserve to be taught truth. Truth about God and Christ, and about 'the things which are about to take place'. 
That truth has to be based on a firm truthful foundation.  
Once again thank you for your input. 

https://realscreen.com/2021/07/16/vice-tvs-vice-versa-doc-on-jehovahs-witnesses-set-to-premiere-this-month/
Cable network Vice TV announced a new documentary special on Jehovah’s Witnesses that’s set to air later this month on July 28.
Vice Versa: Crusaders examines the global religious organization, its carefully curated message of faith and its nearly unblemished public veneer, and investigates alleged corruption within the organization and its work to shame, silence and ostracize others.
Kaufman is himself a former third-generation Jehovah’s Witness who faced shunning from his family after starting a four-year investigation into the religion’s handling of allegations of child sexual abuse within its congregations.
“After witnessing firsthand the cycle of abuse that runs deep within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, I could not rest until the dark truth of this organization was brought to light,” Kaufman said in a Vice news release. “Vice Versa: Crusaders exposes those who use their immense power and influence to maintain control in the name of God.”
The documentary includes revealing interviews with whistleblowers, former members and one current witness, as well as access to leaked documents.

No - you show hate-OCD without anyone motivating you to do so!  The poison comes from your own heart! Do not use your warped psychology on me!

As soon as I saw this on the 21st, I wrote a response that disappeared just as I was about to "Submit Reply." I figured that it was probably a bad sign that my computer touchpad was jumping the cursor all over the place, but it was probably a good sign that I shouldn't keep writing 3 page responses to a simple question. So I didn't try to rewrite it, and went on to other things.
To my surprise, I came back here today and see that @Witness gave nearly the exact response that I had written. I even gave that response of hers an upvote, and I even agree with much that is in the second response she gave right after it.
(Luke 3:21, 22) . . .Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up, 22 and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.” (Luke 4:1) . . .Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness (Luke 4:17, 18) . . .So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor.. . . Then I had added a few additional verses, starting with:
(Acts 10:37, 38) . . .starting from Galʹi·lee after the baptism that John preached: 38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing . . .
(Hebrews 1:5-9) . . .For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? . . . 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
Along with this, to help explain the context in Hebrews, I had added that the expression "You are my son, today I have become your father," was a formulaic expression for the anointing of kings like David and Solomon. This is clearly how Hebrews 1 is using it with the idea of the throne and scepter and the obeisance and "his Kingdom" -- "that is why . . . God anointed" him. 
@Witness had gone directly to Psalm 45:7 which Hebrews quotes from and then used some of the same additional scriptures about the anointing of kings.
@Witness went a little further on this point and added the priests to the equation and therefore tied in later scriptures in Hebrews (and Revelation, etc.) about how the kingdom is also a priesthood, which I had not thought to mention. But Hebrews happens to tie the priestly appointing (anointing) as part of the same event when Jehovah said at Jesus' baptism: "You are my son, today..."
(Hebrews 5:1-6) . . .For every high priest taken from among men is appointed in their behalf over the things relating to God, so that he may offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. . . . . 4 A man does not take this honor of his own accord, but he receives it only when he is called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” 6 As he also says in another place, “You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.”
Also, you will notice that the article @Anna posted from the Aid book contains several of the same points that Witness made.
The one point I take some exception too, @Patiently waiting for Truth, is that you have made more of the specific timing as if it is the most important thing to get out of this. And you may have "summoned" my take on this because you know that I will agree that it indicates the Kingdom did not start in 1914. I agree that it doesn't. But this doesn't mean we need to focus on exactly when Jesus was appointed as King or Priest, or when the Kingdom started, or when he was "King-Designate." Recall that David was anointed (by Samuel) before he became King, and that he was hailed as King by his early followers before he was officially made King after Saul's death.
Specific timing of appointments and titles is not the importance of scripture to us today. It's the "fact" of Jesus' appointment to the "offices" of king and priest and mediator and his own sacrifice as a ransom payment for sin. Is it wrong to say Jesus was born king? Or what about the prophet Simeon?
(Matthew 2:2) . . .“Where is the one born king of the Jews? . . .
(Luke 2:25-32) . . .And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simʹe·on, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for Israel’s consolation, and holy spirit was upon him. 26 Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah. 27 Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law, 28 he took the child into his arms and praised God and said: 29 “Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration, 30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation 31 that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples, 32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”
I'll fall back on the argument that even if Jesus wasn't yet officially "anointed" ("Christ") at birth, he was designated ("appointed") to this purpose and this meant it was as good as accomplished for those who have faith in the fulfillment of Jehovah's purpose.
 

https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/02/churches-are-being-burned-down-in-canada/#:~:text= St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri,on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.
Not JW related, but related to abuse and death of many children it would seem.  Hopefully all of those children will rise again in the Resurrection once this Earth has been made clean. 
 
In the last nine days there has been a total of eight churches that have been burned down in Canada. All eight of the churches were settled on the First Nation’s reserve in Western Canada and authorities have declared that the fires were caused by “suspicious activity”. St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri Tekakwitha Church were the latest churches to be burned down and were completely destroyed due to the fact the churches were made of wood.
The fires come after unmarked graves have been discovered on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.

I have no idea how the Society can claim "copyright infringement", as I have seen all the "DubTown"  animated videos on YouTube, and it is clear to me that it is blistering satire .....  which is considered "fair use" by the U.S. Copyright laws.
And furthermore, what are they going to do when they find out who the REAL "Dubtown" author is?
If I was them, I would drop it, otherwise it may be like the auto maker Henry Ford had to suffer when he sued a newspaper for libel, for calling him an ignorant dolt ( or words to that effect ...), and when they got to Court it was proven that he WAS, and the case was dismissed.
The perfect defense for slander and libel accusations is if you are telling the TRUTH.
That's what I saw, with cringing consternation, when I saw the "Dubtown" Videos.

https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-cant-identify-defendant-in-dubtown-copyright-suit-court-declines-to-help-210723/
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society has run into problems in its copyright lawsuit against the pseudonymous creator of the animation series 'Dubtown'. The videos, which portray a fictional Jehovah's Witness town depicted in Lego, are created by 'Kevin McFree', but Watch Tower doesn't know who he is or where he lives, and nobody wants to help, including the court.
Lego JWs ? 
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group, wants to put an end to the activities of a defendant known only as ‘Kevin McFree’.  ‘McFree’ (which is presumably not his real name) is the creator of the ‘Dubtown’ series of stop-motion Lego animations that take place in a fictitious Jehovah’s Witness town.
Who is McFree? Watch Tower Has No Idea
In a request for conference filed with the Court, Watch Tower says McFree “obtained purloined copies” of then-published videos and placed clips of those works in his video posted to YouTube. This amounts to copyright infringement and warrants a permanent injunction, Watch Tower says, but the road to that currently remains uncertain.  According to Watch Tower, it cannot ascertain the real identity of McFree. “The true identity and physical address of Defendant are not presently known to Plaintiff. The Infringing Video and YouTube account associated therewith identify Defendant only by the pseudonym ‘Kevin McFree’ and do not provide any physical address,” Watch Tower writes.  According to the religious group, it has made numerous attempts to discover McFree’s personal details. Referencing the 2018 DMCA subpoena application to YouTube/Google that requested access to McFree’s real name, address, telephone number and other personal information, Watch Tower notes that the process didn’t lead anywhere useful.
Sorry, I think this is so funny because my wife makes stop motion videos of Pippa dolls and uploads them to Youtube. 
 

Thank you, but I have little or no trust in the Aid book 
So that would say, that as I've said, Jesus was King from his baptism onward and the Kingdom was in existence here on Earth at that time. But neither I nor the Watchtower / Aid book writers are inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
But we come back to the point, that if,  it appointed and commissioned him as Jehovah’s promised King, then and there at His baptism, then why do the Watchtower / GB / Org say he was made King in 1914 ? 
From that same item you quoted / linked :-
"Following his resurrection, Jesus informed his disciples, “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth,” thereby showing that he heads a government of universal domain. (Matt. 28:18) The apostle Paul made clear that Jesus’ Father has “left nothing that is not subject to him [Jesus],” with the evident exception of “the one who subjected all things to him,” that is, Jehovah, the Sovereign God. "
But, Jesus spoke those words whilst still human and here on earth. So it seems that whomever wrote this Watchtower Aid book section would have known that Jesus was King whilst Jesus was alive here on earth. 
So please tell me about 1914 ? What am I not understanding ? 
 

I do not agree with this. (highlighted for the benefit of others) My reasoning is that the scriptures say that God / Christ will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth. And there has to be a complete Judgement of ALL people living on the earth so that the earth can be cleansed. This has to be done all at one time. 
If Armageddon was 'within' as you say then the 'world' would continue to be ruled over by the Devil and suffering would continue forever. 
 

But JWs say that the Kingdom was set up in 1914. 
Whereas Jesus was anointed as King at his baptism and in some ways made it known to the Pharisees whilst He was still alive saying 'The kingdom of God is amongst you'. 
Jesus told his disciple (John 10 : 16)   Berean Study Bible
"I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd."
And the 120 chosen ones, at  Pentecost 33 A.D, became part of that Kingdom at that time. 
My point being that Spiritual Israel / the Kingdom, started with the baptism of Jesus and then the anointing of the 120 at Pentecost in 33 A.D. 
So why do the Watchtower / JW org say the Kingdom started in 1914 ? 
I'm trying to get people's personal feelings on this, but people (JWs) seem frightened to give an answer. 
 

Thank you, but I have little or no trust in the Aid book 
So that would say, that as I've said, Jesus was King from his baptism onward and the Kingdom was in existence here on Earth at that time. But neither I nor the Watchtower / Aid book writers are inspired of God's Holy Spirit.
But we come back to the point, that if,  it appointed and commissioned him as Jehovah’s promised King, then and there at His baptism, then why do the Watchtower / GB / Org say he was made King in 1914 ? 
From that same item you quoted / linked :-
"Following his resurrection, Jesus informed his disciples, “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth,” thereby showing that he heads a government of universal domain. (Matt. 28:18) The apostle Paul made clear that Jesus’ Father has “left nothing that is not subject to him [Jesus],” with the evident exception of “the one who subjected all things to him,” that is, Jehovah, the Sovereign God. "
But, Jesus spoke those words whilst still human and here on earth. So it seems that whomever wrote this Watchtower Aid book section would have known that Jesus was King whilst Jesus was alive here on earth. 
So please tell me about 1914 ? What am I not understanding ? 
 

I did not know that you wanted to own a kingdom hall?  
 
You are obsessed with money - and judgment ....... 

https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-cant-identify-defendant-in-dubtown-copyright-suit-court-declines-to-help-210723/
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society has run into problems in its copyright lawsuit against the pseudonymous creator of the animation series 'Dubtown'. The videos, which portray a fictional Jehovah's Witness town depicted in Lego, are created by 'Kevin McFree', but Watch Tower doesn't know who he is or where he lives, and nobody wants to help, including the court.
Lego JWs ? 
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group, wants to put an end to the activities of a defendant known only as ‘Kevin McFree’.  ‘McFree’ (which is presumably not his real name) is the creator of the ‘Dubtown’ series of stop-motion Lego animations that take place in a fictitious Jehovah’s Witness town.
Who is McFree? Watch Tower Has No Idea
In a request for conference filed with the Court, Watch Tower says McFree “obtained purloined copies” of then-published videos and placed clips of those works in his video posted to YouTube. This amounts to copyright infringement and warrants a permanent injunction, Watch Tower says, but the road to that currently remains uncertain.  According to Watch Tower, it cannot ascertain the real identity of McFree. “The true identity and physical address of Defendant are not presently known to Plaintiff. The Infringing Video and YouTube account associated therewith identify Defendant only by the pseudonym ‘Kevin McFree’ and do not provide any physical address,” Watch Tower writes.  According to the religious group, it has made numerous attempts to discover McFree’s personal details. Referencing the 2018 DMCA subpoena application to YouTube/Google that requested access to McFree’s real name, address, telephone number and other personal information, Watch Tower notes that the process didn’t lead anywhere useful.
Sorry, I think this is so funny because my wife makes stop motion videos of Pippa dolls and uploads them to Youtube. 
 

I do not agree with this. (highlighted for the benefit of others) My reasoning is that the scriptures say that God / Christ will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth. And there has to be a complete Judgement of ALL people living on the earth so that the earth can be cleansed. This has to be done all at one time. 
If Armageddon was 'within' as you say then the 'world' would continue to be ruled over by the Devil and suffering would continue forever. 
 

I do not agree with this. (highlighted for the benefit of others) My reasoning is that the scriptures say that God / Christ will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth. And there has to be a complete Judgement of ALL people living on the earth so that the earth can be cleansed. This has to be done all at one time. 
If Armageddon was 'within' as you say then the 'world' would continue to be ruled over by the Devil and suffering would continue forever. 
 

Indeed only Almighty God through Jesus Christ can be trusted. 
 
But all the while the Watchtower / JW org are dealing in Property /  Real Estate and building their 'temples' of Warwick and Ramapo. They have taken over ownership of ALL Kingdom Halls so that congregations own nothing.  
Oh and something I thought was funny. The GB seem to be 'chasing' some guy because he is making LEGO stop motion videos, about a pretend JW town. The Watchtower lawyers cannot find out the real name of the video maker so can't sue him, but they  are still trying   The Watchtower love to sue people in 'worldly' court rooms it seems, buy they hate to pay out compensation to victims of CSA.  So yes, don't trust organizations 'that make money in this system'.

All faithful, obedient believers in Christ who desire to know truth are led by the Holy Spirit, and most definitely Jesus had God’s Spirit guiding him since his birth.  But, the pouring out and being filled with Holy Spirit is the opening up of wisdom/truth/knowledge (God’s word) from heaven.  (1 John 2:27 )  Being “filled” with spirit is an anointing. I believe it was at that time (Luke 3:21,22) that Jesus then knew the extent of the path he had to take while on the earth. 
As you say, the next chapter in Luke continues after his baptism by saying,
“Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
After that time of testing…
“Jesus *returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.”
He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
    because he has anointed me
    to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
    and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19     to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”   Luke 4  (Isa 61:1)
Ps 45:7 - You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
    by anointing you with the oil of joy.
Acts 10:37,38 - “You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, *beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” 
His “anointing” at his water baptism, was a fulfilment of prophesy.  The literal anointing of oil in the early days of the nation’s kings, signified that that person was chosen to reign as king. (1 Sam 9:16; 15:1; 2 Sam 12:7; 1 Kings 19:15…) Also the priesthood was anointed as signifying that God had chosen those under the lineage of Aaron to be a priest. (Num 25:10-13; 3:10; Lev 10:8-11; Mal 2:7) That lineage has continued spiritually through all the anointed priests/kings since Christ.   (Exod 29:1,7; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Rev 5:9,10)
Jesus, is both our High Priest and our King.  (Heb 4:14,15; John 1:49; Rev 17:14)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Yes, but it's the Watchtower / GB / JW org that complicate matters. By adding traditions of men and man made rules those men put stumbling blocks in the way of Accepting Jesus as the Christ.