Patiently waiting for Truth

The book's author is Bruce Quimby...uh...uh ... and YOUR name is bruceq.
Like the fact that Ernest Borgnine and Elizabeth Tayor have never been seen in the same photograph ...... coincidence?

“The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.”  - wt 2017
No one needs to prove that. This fact is not refuted even by GB. And they alone explained why they are wrong, in quote above. :))

Says the expert! I bet you cannot prove why they are wrong! You will need some other person on here to try to prove it!

So the Watchtower/GB/JW Org will always be wrong by basing everything on 1914. 
And again they will be wrong because their agenda is to gain and keep power for themselves and their big businesses and real estate. 
Even Bro Rando seems to have an agenda about predicting a new date for the Judgement Time. 
Most JWs want the 'end to come' because they think they are 'safe' inside the Org. That alone is an agenda. 
But then we probably ALL have personal agendas. 

And 1914  

Humans know different types of 'love' but I don't think humans understand love from God's perspective.
God's ways are far higher than human ways.
And this also, we can only see from a human perspective.  Arauna replied to me once that 'humans are important', but I think not in comparison to the Universal issue.  
It would seem that millions of humans will die at the Judgement time, and it will be a necessary 'operation'.  A bit like clearing a building site before building a nice new house. Many humans cannot handle thinking about it, they see it as hateful / cruel.. And in reality I think many JWs try not to think about it. But, God will do what God will do to solve the Universal issue. 

And 1914  

Humans know different types of 'love' but I don't think humans understand love from God's perspective.
God's ways are far higher than human ways.
And this also, we can only see from a human perspective.  Arauna replied to me once that 'humans are important', but I think not in comparison to the Universal issue.  
It would seem that millions of humans will die at the Judgement time, and it will be a necessary 'operation'.  A bit like clearing a building site before building a nice new house. Many humans cannot handle thinking about it, they see it as hateful / cruel.. And in reality I think many JWs try not to think about it. But, God will do what God will do to solve the Universal issue. 

Humans know different types of 'love' but I don't think humans understand love from God's perspective.
God's ways are far higher than human ways.
And this also, we can only see from a human perspective.  Arauna replied to me once that 'humans are important', but I think not in comparison to the Universal issue.  
It would seem that millions of humans will die at the Judgement time, and it will be a necessary 'operation'.  A bit like clearing a building site before building a nice new house. Many humans cannot handle thinking about it, they see it as hateful / cruel.. And in reality I think many JWs try not to think about it. But, God will do what God will do to solve the Universal issue. 

Actually the "knowing he is his creator" is actually not specifically stated in scripture - this is what the author suggests the possibility is...
Yes @Anna the author is suggesting, as did the Sumerians, that all the gods evolved. This would include Jehovah. Not that the author believes this, but that the lie fostered was fostered by and believed by Satan (and that this could be the contribution to what any sane person would think was a foolish endeavor) was the heart of the rebellion.
 

The author is clearly responding to new evidence that Satan worships Hillary Clinton.

So I'm just about done with "The Long War Against God: The History & Impact of the Creation/Evolution Conflict" and a couple of interesting notes in the book were that the idea of evolution existed from the beginning in the Sumerian texts and every ancient religious text (except the Bible). The author suggests that perhaps Satan was himself an evolutionist and did not believe that Jehovah created the universe, himself or any of the other angelic beings. He was not dogmatic about this, but it's a thought I never considered. It would certainly make more sense that if you didn't believe that Jehovah created the universe and that you simply sprang into being or perhaps such was the case at least w/Jehovah, that you might actually believe you could take him.
 

The truth about Jesus' Resurrection... The Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.” (1 Peter 3:18)
Jesus was put to death, how? In the flesh.... here's one of several teachings of Jesus Christ. "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and for a fact, the bread that I will give is My Flesh in behalf of the life of the world." (John 6:51) So, if for a fact, Jesus gave his flesh in behalf of the life of the world, then proclaiming that he took back the flesh he sacrificed would be wholly inaccurate.   "So from now on we know no man from a fleshly viewpoint. Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way." (2 Corinthians 5:16)   So how was Jesus Christ resurrected? So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:45) Spirit creatures/angels, can manifest in the flesh, even eating and drinking with those who entertain them. "Do not forget hospitality, for through it some unknowingly entertained angels." (Hebrews 13:2)   Since Jesus became a life-giving sprit, he manifested in various fleshly bodies and many times without the wounds. Consider the account of Mary Magdalene, a faithful follower of Jesus Christ who went to the tomb for the purpose of dressing his wounds. Notice the account, "After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.  Jesus said to her: “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She, thinking it was the gardener, said to him: “Sir, if you have carried him off, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.”  Jesus said to her: “Mary!” On turning around, she said to him in Hebrew:“Rab·boʹni!” (which means “Teacher!”) - John 20:14-16     Two points for Consideration at John 20:14-16 Obviously Jesus wasn't resurrected in the same flesh that was sacrificed. No Wounds, otherwise Mary Magdalene would have noticed who this person was...   Account continues: "Moreover, some women from among us also astonished us, for they went early to the tomb and when they did not find his body, they came saying that they had also seen a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive." (Luke 24:22-23)   Then some of those who were with us went off to the tomb, and they found it just as the women had said, but they did not see him.”  So he (Jesus) said to them: “O senseless ones and slow of heart to believe all the things the prophets have spoken!  Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?”  And starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.  Finally they got close to the village to which they were traveling, and he made as if to travel on farther.  But they urged him to remain, saying: “Stay with us, because it is almost evening and the day is nearly over.” With that he went in to stay with them. (Luke 24:24-30)  Again, they did not see him because Jesus manifested in a different body with no wounds.   They only recognized him from the things he said and did. "And as he was dining with them, he took the bread, blessed it, broke it, and began handing it to them. At that their eyes were fully opened and they recognized him; but he disappeared from them." (Luke 24:31-32)    "And they got up in that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and they found the Eleven and those assembled together with them, who said: “For a fact the Lord was raised up, and he appeared to Simon!”  Then they related the events on the road and how he became known to them by the breaking of the bread." (Luke 23:33-35) We are not sure of how many Jesus appeared too but they were not of the Eleven Apostles, therefore it is possible to conclude that they were believers and may have been Lazarus and Simon the leper who was a Pharisee whom Jesus dined with just before his execution.  =========================================================================   Another account: "Then they remembered his words, and they returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the Eleven and to all the rest.  They were Mary Magʹda·lene, Jo·anʹna, and Mary the mother of James. Also, the rest of the women with them were telling these things to the apostles.  However, these sayings seemed like nonsense to them, and they would not believe the women." (Luke 24:8-11)    "But Thomas, one of the Twelve, who was called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came.  So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” (John 20:24) Evidently, they all gave the same witness that Jesus appeared to them but in a different body without wounds. Notice Thomas did not ask to see Jesus' body, "But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.” (John 20:25)   Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.”  Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” (John 20:26-27)    Notice the following verses exist for the reason he was manifesting in different fleshly bodies. "To be sure, Jesus also performed many other signs before the disciples, which are not written down in this scroll.  But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name." (John 20:30-31)  =========================================================================   Yet, another account: Jesus appears again in a different body without wounds again! "However, just as day was breaking, Jesus stood on the beach, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.  Then Jesus said to them: “Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” They answered: “No!” (John 21:4-5)   He said to them: “Cast the net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” So they cast it, but they were not able to haul it in because of the large number of fish. Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter: “It is the Lord!” Now Simon Peter, on hearing that it was the Lord, put on his outer garment, for he was naked, and plunged into the sea." (John 21:6-7) Simon Peter plunging into the sea is 'an act of faith' my friends!   Jesus said to them: “Come, have your breakfast.” Not one of the disciples had the courage to ask him: “Who are you?” because they knew it was the Lord.  Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the same with the fish.  This was now the third time that Jesus appeared to the disciples after being raised up from the dead." (John 21:12-14) Accepting Jesus as the Christ can add a profound meaning for your Life.   Read more...

Yep, good idea.
My wife and I spend such time in the garden, taking photos of the flowers and birds and insects, all are God's creations. Photos are great for memory as flowers are soon gone. I also spend time in prayer, saying thank you to God for creating us in a way that we appreciate his other creations.... All much better than arguing about things that are meant for the True Anointed to understand and not for us. 

I think it's a few years away yet. God or Jesus Christ has to either cleanse the JW Org or form a new 'Association of Brothers'.   
To cleanse the JW Org the CSA  problem would need completely removing, and it's not enough just to do that, but it has to 'be seen to be done'.  The public would have to KNOW that the JW Org had God's approval. '10 men clinging to the skirt of a JEW' The GB would have to hand over that Pedophile Database which they are pretending doesn't exist. Then ALL the pedophiles in the Org would have to face their crimes, probably in court rooms. 
Yes it would take God's Holy Spirit to cleanse the JW Org or to form a new Association of Brother, but it has to be done to give people a chance of 'coming to know God properly' before the Judgement. 
JWs cannot grasp that people know about the CSA / Pedophile problem in the JW Org, and it is a BIG STUMBLING BLOCK  to people. So, the GB and their 'helpers' are blood guilty because they have created this stumbling block.
Luke 17 : 1, Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come.

Russell and the IBSA were NO part of the JW world.  It was Rutherford that 'stole' part of the association from the IBSA and, against the previous wishes of Russell, changed the whole way of running that Association, turning it into an Organsation.  Why JWs quote Russell, who was nothing to do with them, I do not know. 
 
Yes the Leaders / GB / Watchtower / JW Org has indeed been cowardly over the last 100 + years. 
Pretending that Armageddon was coming in 1941, early 70's, before the end of the century (2000). And pretending that a person must be a baptised JW to be saved. 
It's called fear mongering and yes it's very cowardly. 

When I read your comments Tom I can understand why it is a waste of time and effort talking to people such as you.
The scripture is right. "Do not cast your pearls before swine". 
It's not so much that @Witness is right all the time, but you certainly act like a childish swine in reply.
As for women prophesying   Acts 2 : 17
Berean Study Bible
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
But you don't seem to believe what God says do you Tom ? You seem to rely on the words of your GB

Russell and the IBSA were NO part of the JW world.  It was Rutherford that 'stole' part of the association from the IBSA and, against the previous wishes of Russell, changed the whole way of running that Association, turning it into an Organsation.  Why JWs quote Russell, who was nothing to do with them, I do not know. 
 
Yes the Leaders / GB / Watchtower / JW Org has indeed been cowardly over the last 100 + years. 
Pretending that Armageddon was coming in 1941, early 70's, before the end of the century (2000). And pretending that a person must be a baptised JW to be saved. 
It's called fear mongering and yes it's very cowardly. 

It's a good read.  Claiming an announcement was never fulfilled BEFORE it's due time is rather cowardly.   
"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.  For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,  having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,  betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,  having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
The question about this prophecy is when. Will it be revealed in the future, or are we living it today? In the first part of 1914, the Bible Students known as International Bible Students Association discussed the “time of trouble” on the printed page called The Bible Students Monthly. Early in 1914, an issue of The Bible Students Monthly was issued with the large bold heading “END OF WORLD IN 1914? Some have quoted the large headline of this tract as proof that Russell was expecting the “end of the world” in 1914. However, such neglect the subheading under the larger headline, which states: “NOT THE VIEW OF PASTOR RUSSELL NOR OF I.B.S.A.” International Bible Students Association: "Nevertheless, when viewed from God’s standpoint, we are still “shortly after” 1914. Although Russell himself did not think the time of trouble would be this long, he did allow that it could be. It is possible that the time allotted for this period is 120 years (1914+120=2034), but that these days will be “cut short” some time before they are allowed to reach their end. We do not put this forth as a “prophecy”, nor would we feel anything was wrong if 2034 came and went and nothing had happened as far the full binding of Satan and the destruction of his empire is concerned. All things are in God’s hands."

Yep, good idea.
My wife and I spend such time in the garden, taking photos of the flowers and birds and insects, all are God's creations. Photos are great for memory as flowers are soon gone. I also spend time in prayer, saying thank you to God for creating us in a way that we appreciate his other creations.... All much better than arguing about things that are meant for the True Anointed to understand and not for us. 

Please bear in mind I'm 71 and I've forgotten more than I can remember. So here I am pondering on a few things, such as :-
When Jesus was baptised by John (Luke 3 : 21 & 22 )
21  Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up, 22  and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.”
Luke 4. 1. Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness 2  for 40 days, .................. 
Was Jesus anointed by God at His baptism ?  It would seem that Jesus did not have the holy spirit previously. 
Now, if Jesus was anointed at His baptism, did He also become King ( of the Kingdom) at the same time ? 
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The 120 in the Upper room. The way Acts is written seems rather strange. For instance : -  Acts 1 
12  Then they returned to Jerusalem from a mountain called the Mount of Olives, which is near Jerusalem, only a sabbath day’s journey away. 13  When they arrived, they went up into the upper room where they were staying. There were Peter as well as John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bar·tholʹo·mew and Matthew, James the son of Al·phaeʹus and Simon the zealous one, and Judas the son of James. 14  With one purpose all of these were persisting in prayer, together with some women and Mary the mother of Jesus and with his brothers.
15  During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (the number of people was altogether about 120) 
Acts 2 : 1 Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they were all together at the same place. 
So here we have three different ideas : 'When they arrived',,, During those days,, while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress. But it seems that the 120 were the same ones mentioned in Acts 1 : 12 - 14. and the same ones mentioned in Acts 2 : 1.
So, were these 120 anointed by Jesus at that time ?  Acts 2 : 
2, Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3  And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them, 4  and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak.
Did these 120 become part of the Kingdom at that time ? 
We know that Jesus said that the Kingdom was already here, when he was on Earth. Recorded at Luke 17 : 20 - 21 
20  On being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them: “The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness 21  nor will people say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’ For look! the Kingdom of God is in your midst.”
If Jesus was referring to Himself as King of the Kingdom, it would still prove that He had been made King by God at that time. Otherwise Jesus was not telling the truth. 
I will continue to ponder and add to this later. 
( I don't want anyone that has fixed ideas about the Kingdom being set up in 1914 to rant on this topic, thank you. You yourself know that Jesus said the Kingdom was already established before that date.)   

I know who they are - just watch the news with discernment.  The GB gives us the information and gives biblical reasons for it.  You are also supposed to do self study too. They just tell us the " image of the beast" is the UN and give biblical reasons for it.  You can watch the UN yourself. If they say the King of the north is Russia - you can watch it for yourself.  They cannot write a political magazine. They write only what is Biblical and discreet - especially now in the time when the political propaganda is so messed up.
The bible gives us what we need to remain faithful.  This is the GB main goal.... to teach us the bible and help us to be faithful. After Armageddon we will see how Jehovah predicted everything spot on.  Those who have been watching international affairs are not bothered by the propaganda - we know what is going on.  I can witness to the fact that the "image of the beast" identification is spot on! The GB identified it correctly!
 

Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!  Job 14:4
What experience does God have with an organized form of religion? For centuries, the Israeli congregation struggled in conditions that eventually ended with two destructions of the Temple, prophesied by God, and perhaps, to put it this way, caused by God. Further, The First Christian Assembly was diluted into various denominations of Christianity. Also, the current WTJWorg organization, which is claimed to be the only true successor to the First Christian Assembly, is grappling with doctrinal and instructional-organizational lies and errors.
I would say this way: God does not fix what is wrong, but always seeks a new solution to every new problem.

I think it's a few years away yet. God or Jesus Christ has to either cleanse the JW Org or form a new 'Association of Brothers'.   
To cleanse the JW Org the CSA  problem would need completely removing, and it's not enough just to do that, but it has to 'be seen to be done'.  The public would have to KNOW that the JW Org had God's approval. '10 men clinging to the skirt of a JEW' The GB would have to hand over that Pedophile Database which they are pretending doesn't exist. Then ALL the pedophiles in the Org would have to face their crimes, probably in court rooms. 
Yes it would take God's Holy Spirit to cleanse the JW Org or to form a new Association of Brother, but it has to be done to give people a chance of 'coming to know God properly' before the Judgement. 
JWs cannot grasp that people know about the CSA / Pedophile problem in the JW Org, and it is a BIG STUMBLING BLOCK  to people. So, the GB and their 'helpers' are blood guilty because they have created this stumbling block.
Luke 17 : 1, Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come.

I think it's a few years away yet. God or Jesus Christ has to either cleanse the JW Org or form a new 'Association of Brothers'.   
To cleanse the JW Org the CSA  problem would need completely removing, and it's not enough just to do that, but it has to 'be seen to be done'.  The public would have to KNOW that the JW Org had God's approval. '10 men clinging to the skirt of a JEW' The GB would have to hand over that Pedophile Database which they are pretending doesn't exist. Then ALL the pedophiles in the Org would have to face their crimes, probably in court rooms. 
Yes it would take God's Holy Spirit to cleanse the JW Org or to form a new Association of Brother, but it has to be done to give people a chance of 'coming to know God properly' before the Judgement. 
JWs cannot grasp that people know about the CSA / Pedophile problem in the JW Org, and it is a BIG STUMBLING BLOCK  to people. So, the GB and their 'helpers' are blood guilty because they have created this stumbling block.
Luke 17 : 1, Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come.