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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Once again you find the need to misquote me or to twist what I write. Tom you seem unwell spiritually.
    So explain this implication quoted above if you can ? 
    Anyone that does not believe that 'With God all things are possible', must have lost their faith in God. 
    I see this in you Tom, you seem to have no faith in God, Christ or the Holy Spirit. Your 'faith' seems to be in your GB and it's Org. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    I am sorry you feel that way. Your time is your own to use as you wish. It is therefore your own choice if you converse with people that you do not like.
    As for your point of 'not genuine interest in learning anything from anyone', then it depends on your viewpoint. 
    I ask questions of people to get a fuller meaning of their viewpoint but then i get accused of being a 'follower' of them. I don't mind accusations being thrown at me, not even accusations of being D/fed.  We are all human and we all have our own viewpoint. 
    A few words about HATE from your Org. 
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1970843
    This right kind of hatred is in imitation of Jehovah, the God of righteousness. He does not hate what is bad because of frustration nor does he manifest his hate in uncontrolled, intemperate, violent actions. God’s hatred of what is bad is a principled hatred. Such hatred does not disturb one’s peace of mind and afflict one with ulcers. It is a strong dislike, an extreme aversion, a pronounced distaste, a profound repugnance of what is bad. It means to loathe, to abhor, to abominate whatever is bad because it is wrong, very harmful and wholly unloving.
     
    WHY HATE WHAT IS BAD?
    First of all, Jehovah hates what is bad. That in itself should be reason enough for any of us also to hate what is bad.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    That is the impression I also have.  A bunch of people who have hate-OCD and come here to troll.  There is not genuine interest in learning anything from anyone!  You are merely here to waste our time..... deliberately!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    The GB have separated themselves in title and in duties.
    The elders have separated themselves in title and in duties.
    They each meet as a body, separately from the congregation to address matters each group is assigned to.
    The anointed are told they cannot “separate” themselves as a body and meet together to address any matters of teachings.  They have been assigned by God to teach, yet they are prevented from doing so.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  The anointed are under the dominating rule of both the GB and elders.  (Matt 24:48-51)
    This oppression of one’s spirituality, of the gift of Holy Spirit that God gave them to use, has no scriptural backing.  On the contrary, it defies God’s word. (2 Thess 2:1-4; 1 Cor 3:16,17;  1 Cor 12)
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    That's funny as it was something perverse that I remember. 
    I do wish I had kept ALL the things you have written, but I only saved one.  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    My disagreement is not about Tom writing about Pearl or Witness. I've purposefully never ventured onto Pearl's website. 
    My dislike is when Tom choses to lump many of us into some 'following' or other, just because we may ask a couple of questions. Tom seems to have this need to 'lump people together' into groups, and to be sarcastic about it all.  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Or vice versa  .  As in you making excuses for things that happened. 
    As for the 'secret tunnels', I think I remember, long ago, you saying that they had been used for 'other' purposes. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Arauna I have many times said that I am not anointed. There would be no grounds at all for me to think i was.
    I am not anointed. I am not a 'chosen one' I am not of the heavenly class. I am not part of the body of Christ. 
    But neither do i have an 'earthly hope'.  I don't 'dream' of living forever here on Earth. 
    I live each day as it is, and my thoughts are more for other people than myself.  I seriously worry that no one is teaching truth right now. So you see, i find no need to be concerned as to my future, because i am not important. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    That would seem to make you a coward. Push forward your own opinions but frightened to read the opinions of others.
    As for being inspired by demons, maybe you should take a closer look at your GB. they prove themselves to be the 'wicked slave' and prove themselves to be saying 'the master is delaying' 
    The GB tell the Anointed not to gather together for prayer and Bible study and the GB tell the Anointed that they 'would be working against the Holy Spirit' if they did meet together. Um, so where does your GB get this inspiration from ? 
    They admit that they are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit. 
    Who would want to stop the True Anoined ones from meeting together for prayer and the study fo God's word ????? 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Oh dear Tom. Get well soon. You have a problem in your heart it seems.
    I said it so many times before but it seems I need to say it again. TOM loves to groupe people together and then put one big label on them. It makes him feel good, gives him a 'kick' of some sort.  The reason seems to be that just because Tom is part of a flock of misled sheep, he thinks that everyone else has to be. So dear old Tom finds the need to put us in a flock. This this he's chosen @Witness. Previously he'd chosen @JW Insider. Who will you group us with next time Tom ?
    The True Anointed will prove who they are when Christ choses to make it happen.  The remnant are part of His body, and HE will give them 'power' to do what needs to be done.  I'm quite happy to be mocked and laughted at whilst I remain patiently waiting for truth.  The other option would be, to be active IN TELLING LIES. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    That would seem to make you a coward. Push forward your own opinions but frightened to read the opinions of others.
    As for being inspired by demons, maybe you should take a closer look at your GB. they prove themselves to be the 'wicked slave' and prove themselves to be saying 'the master is delaying' 
    The GB tell the Anointed not to gather together for prayer and Bible study and the GB tell the Anointed that they 'would be working against the Holy Spirit' if they did meet together. Um, so where does your GB get this inspiration from ? 
    They admit that they are not inspired of God's Holy Spirit. 
    Who would want to stop the True Anoined ones from meeting together for prayer and the study fo God's word ????? 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    You might think you remember, but the last (and only other time) the topic of these tunnels came up, I would have said pretty much the same thing about them that I'm saying now. I think I might have added that there were some pipes along the ceiling in places (but the floors and walls were perfectly clean and smooth). Even before the buildings were sold recently, the city decided that the rights for any such tunnels would not be granted as part of the building property and they would have to be closed up, so now someone can imagine any kind of thing they want to imply. Maybe even use their perverse imaginations to write a scary novel about them: "Brooklyn Depths" anyone? "The Tunnel Channel"?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in King of the North vs. King of the South....Who could have foreseen this happening?   
    I saw Bob this morning. Yep, good ol’ Bob. 
    He said he saw Carl all dressed up in a suit and tie having coffee at the same table with the king of the south telling lies to each other. Man said they were to invade the land of decoration after going out in service, or letter writing rather. 
    I couldn’t believe it! That rat!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Yea that is clear to all of us.... but some nuts do think they are - as some other persons on here.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    We know this person's writings better than you.  Do now write about what you do not know - you come across as very gullible!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    It was 4:45 am and I decided to watch this video. Very strange. It's the first I ever heard of such a "brother" at Walkill Bethel. While I was at Brooklyn Bethel I never had an opportunity to go to Walkill but once, and that was only to look at a piece of typesetting equipment being designed by some brothers up there. I couldn't believe anyone there had been given so much freedom to work on their own projects, and here was a group of several brothers doing just that, and that particular project (electronic typesetting) turned out to be a great success soon adopted by the WTS.
    If someone knew the Walkill Bethel family during the years in question, it wouldn't be too hard to figure out who this man with the notebooks was. If I heard the video narration accurately (at 2.5x speed) it sounds like he had a brother and a wife also at Walkill, and he implies perhaps even another relative. Even at Brooklyn, during the time I was there (1976 to 1982) the turnover rate was very high. A complaint in the Home Office was that Elders all around the country were quick to approve their "problem cases" from their local congregations in the hopes that Bethel would "fix" them. Even the group I came in with had a brother who kept asking me to join his new study group because he realized he was now anointed. I assume there were others. In fact, I knew several brothers who were involved in private Bible study groups usually in the room of a brother from the Writing Dept, or Service Dept, and who were very upset (myself included) that a "crazy" brother was going to ruin this wonderful opportunity to study with highly experienced brothers, because this one "crazy" one was spreading strange ideas that might end up getting all of the private study groups closed down because of "one bad apple." I knew about 10 brothers who had come from my home state in nearby circuits, and three of them returned with serious mental problems, which may not have been in evidence before they were approved to be accepted to Bethel.
    So I don't doubt that brothers who had strange ideas about themselves could have existed, and might have been protected to some degree by a close friend, roommate, wife or relative, who was there with them.
    But I think the video narration breaks down in accuracy when he talks about Brooklyn Bethel's tunnels as if they were something secret. I was on the tour guide list, so every week or so, I was called away from work to handle one of the tours. Fairly often, I would hear the visitors ask, "Are you really going to show us the secret tunnels???" Or, "Is it true that Bethel has secret tunnels?" And my response was that of course we are going to see them, we'll use them to get between 124, 107, and The Towers Hotel. The main reason for the tunnels was to avoid airing Bethel's dirty laundry. And to avoid airing the clean laundry, too. That's because the laundry room was connected to the tunnels between the buildings, and this way all deliveries of laundry to and from the residence rooms could be rolled through the tunnels and never have to go through the otherwise quiet and up-scale neighborhood of Brooklyn Heights. The neighborhood thought it was bad enough that Bethel factory workers crossed back and forth after breakfast, at lunch and dinnertime. (No tunnels to the "117 Adams" factories or "25 and 30 CH Squibb bldgs.") Imagine 1,000 people all crossing the street level at once around 6:55am to be seated for 7:00am text and breakfast!
    There was absolutely nothing secret about the tunnels. No places for sinister meetings. They were at least 7 feet high, at least 10 feet wide, well-lit and constantly traversed.
    I don't know if or care if "Pearl" begins to respond to people without thinking what she is going to say in advance. That description might be something odd as @Thinking has said, or it might be a lot like the way some of the brothers in Writing or Correspondence (part of Service Dept at the time) answered questions. When a question came in by letter, they were expected to just start writing without referring to notes or any preparation, and I knew brothers who could write pages and pages with scripture references and never prepare for the question specifically. One brother in Writing, who had written large portions of the Aid Book also wrote Watchtower articles and convention material this way, even the study articles. He'd be given a theme to write about and often just started typing at about 70 wpm and ended up with the entire study article, scriptures and all, requiring no edits.
    The idea that there were "channelers" at Bethel who were given any credence at all, might be a conflation of mixed up information about the Seola book which the WTS rewrote as "Angels and Women" and actually promoted it as a "channeled" book. There were also the "Radio" therapy machines promoted by the WTS, which were NOT promoted as any kind of spiriitism, but non WTS versions of these machines sometimes were. Then there were opposers of JWs who made much of the admissions by the editor of the Golden Age magazine that he was once demon-possessed which he says caused him to disagree with Russell on an important matter. (It's in a WT-printed letter and a Convention Report.) And, it's a long shot, but some of the conflation could have come from Rutherford himself who had claimed that since 1918, Jehovah's holy spirit was removed from "his holy temple" and now "lightnings" were made to "flash and shine" through direct communication with angels. (That teaching didn't last for too many years.) And then there was one GB member from about 1974 to 2000+ who sometimes (but rarely) suffered from a kind of epilepsy apparently and would appear to be in a kind of trance, which affected his speech patterns. His wife would tell him, "Back to earth, [name removed], come on down back to earth."
    I could see how one or more of these things could be twisted into a rumor of the kind that results in stories.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Well, sounds confusing. You feel and claim how spirit of JHVH is requirement for understanding, but in the same time concept of been "inspired" by this same JHVH is something you and other JW members consider as "inappropriate" way and "not possible" way, .... because even FDS is not inspired ... so how would/how could any rank and file member be in this privileged position at all. 
    WTJWorg really need to think more about terminology and meaning of specific words that they use and put on opposite sides ... "inspired by spirit and/vs guided by spirit". This two sort of words, that GB put in two sort of concepts that are not same, as they say, speaking about same think in fact. Influence of HS is needed for both models. Or, influence of different sort of spirit.  
    When JW's go on to preach uncertain and inaccurate doctrines, by what spirit are they "guided" or !inspired"?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    What WTJWorg and JW members think of C.T. Russell? Maybe they think like this: Some things he understood and interpreted well, and in some he made mistakes. To which category of people does CTR belong according to WTJWorg? Inspired? Guided? Analytical? A seeker of truth? Altruistic? Businessman? Or a little of everything?
    It is claimed; The Bible was inspired by God because Bible writers were inspired by God as they wrote.
    Does a Bible reader need to be “inspired” to understand the Bible? What kind of biblical text can a Bible reader understand without being “inspired” or even “guided” by God or by the spirit?
    Why did Russell come to the conclusion that he understood his position as God’s “FDS”? Because the Holy Spirit told him he was? Why did Rutherford come to the same conclusion for himself? Why did the members of the group of Directors, and later GB, start claiming that God chose them to be "FDS"? Because they were; Inspired? Guided? Analytical? Truth seekers? Altruistic? Businessmen? Or a little of everything?
    Question number one is: Do you have to be “inspired” to understand when God says, “Do good, do not kill, help another, go build an ark, flee the city, preach about Jesus, etc.?
    Question number two is: Do you have to be “inspired” to interpret events as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy? Do you have to be “inspired” to explain the prophecy and say it will be fulfilled one way or another at specific time period?
    To the first question, it would be logical for me if the answer is, "no". You don’t need to be inspired to understand inspired tips/counsels/advises, commandments, prohibitions, and the like.
    The answer to the second question is no longer so simple. If you are not “inspired” then you will be mistaken in your interpretations. And, since so many mistakes have been made, it is less worrying to know that those people who run WTJWorg are not "inspired", but it is worrying why so many people allow themselves to be "led" by those people who are not able to understand the Bible well, those people who studies and prayers addressed to God that He “leads” them without “inspiration”.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Do you believe you are one of them? Just asking, because you overlook all the other principles in Jehovah's word to champion a cause which is not scriptural. Nowhere in the bible does it say that anointed must be separated, circumcised and uncircumcised be separated, or any other separate groups allowed. It speaks of all brothers and sisters meeting together to build one another up.  There is nothing about separate clubs forming etc.
    Actually, the bible says that those who separate themselves are promoting self-interest. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    No surprise there. She has made some converts here though, PSomH, Srecko, and KickFace, for example, fall all over her. @Patiently waiting for Truth,your TrueAnointed has revealed herself. However, I’m not sure she has any doctrine other than expressing jealousy over those who have a bigger stage than she does. And she channels. Where does that come from?
    I have incorrectly called her ‘woman from the hills.’ My bad.
    Seriously, it is such a weird and obsessed sort of writing—I don’t know how anyone can fail to spot a rat. @JW Insider @Arauna @Anna @The Librarian @Pudgy
    Given the ‘channeling’ concerns Thinking raised, one would think conversing with a bot would be more productive, not to mention spiritually safer.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    I take comfort in that Psalm, thank you. I also take comfort in the time prophesied when Jesus Christ comes back and brings joy to Christ's brothers and sisters who have wrongfully been disfellowshipped for stating nothing but truth, and shame upon those who lawlessly disfellowshipped them. 
    “Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word: “Your brothers who hate you and exclude you [disfellowship you] because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified! ’But He [Jesus Christ] will appear and bring you joy, And they [The men who have disfellowshipped Christ's brothers] are the ones who will be put to shame.” Isaiah 66:5
    Being persecuted by Spiritual Israel isn’t so bad, it’s got it’s perks.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Thinking in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Anyone who follows or teaches Pearls thoughts or woman in the wilderness…are without doubt being directed by the demons…as Pearl is..
    I Have blocked witness for this reason To So I’m just going by your answers to some one….Anyone who admits they do not study the scriptures at all but sit with pen in hand and writes answers to questions..not knowing what they will actually write is engaging in automatic writing…or channeling …it is not fromJehovah…as Jehovah has told us to SEARCH AND look as if looking for a treasure….he wants effort from us to work out his words…he expected it from the apostles as he does now from ANYONE who wants answers from the scriptures …
    Yes I knew Pearl Personally..and she is a lovely lady….also known by her website….woman in the wilderness…...but nevertheless…what she teaches is without doubt  demon inspired …..and highly dangerous as is anyone who follows her or teaches what she teaches…
    Im guessing witness and some others will respond to this…waste of time if it’s for my eyes as I don t read any thing written by you….or some others…
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    "All the time" is a bit over the top, but fair enough, I'll amend my previous statement:  
     
    To read...
    JWs  show David up for his sins; and seldom, if any, for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Really?  Maybe you or JWI can tell me the person's name.  No one here knows me personally.  
    You've always been good at telling yarns.  🙂
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    Oh, hogwash. He is all the time. Both aspects of his life have instructional value and both are often referred to.
    It is true that someone here who claimed to know you personally described you as “demon-possessed”  I admit that the thought had never occurred to me. JWI, to his ‘educated’ credit (or possibly naivety) restated the description  (if true) with medical terminology.
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