Patiently waiting for Truth

An Edler once said to me ' Things written in the Bible are there for a purpose, not just to fill up space'.
The overlapping generation is NOT written in the Bible. But the other things are.
The probelm is, the GB / Leaders / helpers of the Watchtower / JW org, just cannot be humble. They cannot just say 'We don't know'.   They are always pretending there is 'new light', which is funny as they now admit that they are not inpsired by God's Holy Spirit. so yes, they destroy their own credibility. 

I remember GB member Dan Sydlik writing or saying in a talk….he had a hard time with brothers trying so hard to be righteous….and said they…just needed to do their best and leave the rest to the ransom."…..

How to use lawyers in court, seems to be their expertise - that and the basic elements of running an earthly organization.  But that is the irony, isn’t it?  Men who have failed to interpret the spiritual meaning of God's word over and over again, are telling JWs that they will teach the pillars of faith from the past.  And that there is no doubt that the leaders will be in a literal heavenly office (using their knowledge of running a corporation on earth) when their Armageddon breaks out.  They, will be exalted over all.  But, about these uninspired men, the leadership said in 1959, An accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people.”  Wt 1959/7/1 pg 389-390
How then, will they be able to teach those who were “inspired”?  Isa 28:7-10   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+28%3A7-10&version=LEB    

I will vouch for Tom…he’s a writer…and he banters…he’s also very genuine…yes he can talk a bit harsh at times…but I’ve also seen him be enormously kind …very tactful….and even unbelievably humble…a trait I admire greatly.

Yes.
No.
Okay. Banter doesn’t necessarily translate well. It can be taken for serious remarks. SpaceMerchant is from a region and culture substantially different than mine. He is also more serious in his demeanor than me. Therefore, he might think I am making fun or him or his moniker (since the topic is aliens.) I was not. That’s why I reached out to him to clarify. It is because I have regard for him that I did this. I don’t have the same high regard for everyone.
You have chosen the right forum to study, for there are several genuinely strange people here, and so what can be expected of their interacting?
You’ll have to give examples of this. It is nothing I try to do and if I’ve fallen into it, it was accidental.
On the other hand, there are some here I call “villains,” and I genuinely don’t like them, because their purpose here is to trash what I hold dear. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t wear like an old shoe at times, and so here and there a comment might be taken for comraderie.
Sometimes you do well to stay with your first instincts.
No.
This place is a writing workshop for me, part of a hobby. ‘There is a gaggle of regulars here, some of them I like, some I don’t, some i like more than others, and some I dislike more than others. I’m a communicator and I gots to communicate. Stuff I first formulate here sometimes ends up elsewhere, for I have my own blog and have even written a few ebooks. Everyone else has his or her own rationale for being here too. 
My practice here is to divide people into three classes. 1) those who have tasted and seen that Jehovah is good, 2) those who have tasted and seen that he is bad, and 3) those who have never tasted. It is an application on Psalm 34:8: “Taste and see that Jehovah is good, O YOU people; Happy is the able-bodied man that takes refuge in him.”
Now, #1 and #2 will speak a language that #3, through lack of experience, does not. For that reason, there are probably not too many #3s around—they would soon get bored silly. From the standpoint of one who tries to be a #1, loyal to God as JWs understand him, I do not believe it is right to earnestly engage with those #2s who have tasted and spit it out the fine food. Maybe you know both the scriptures and the counsel behind this stand.
So, if I reply, I often don’t speak to them as much as I speak past them or even about them, as though they were not present. Or I ignore them completely to make another point of my own. This might easily give the impression of a pompous elitist schmuck to someone sympathetic to their point of view. But I am not elitist. I suppose I come off as cocky sometimes. Sorry.
I go on the assumption—I think it is correct—that this is a forum run by a Witness, admittedly an avant-garde one, who allows “apostate” comments, and thus Jehovah’s Witnesses are the ‘good guys.’ If it was the other way around, if it was an “apostate” site that allowed Witness comments, I would not be around, for I would think myself a troll for doing so.
So this is my site, in effect, not their site. I don’t try to bully. But I suppose when the besiegers have cast their ladders against the castle wall and I pour out the boiling oil upon them it might seem that way.

aaaaaawh. So this was unserious.
A throwaway comment.
So would your comments about "waiting untill the 3rd page" to Space Merchant, ( or as you put it, a "throwaway unserious " comment ) fall under what is called, "bantering?"
I know, this may appear to be a socially awkward question. But I'm being totally serious as I'm asking this.
So TrueTomHarley, if that be the case, then you weren't meaning to throw him off ( and I would assume anyone else for that matter ) with your "throwaway unserious" comment, because it's form of "bantering?"
And again, if that be the case, then I could really use some help ( and/or patience ) and a lot, and I mean A LOT of time with adjusting to what has always appeared to me, 🙄 as a disturbingly strange way of socially interacting.
I've seen people appearing to be, and it has even been explained to me as being, a form of 😊☺ social bonding through a number of dismissive insults. 😳😲😬 Yet when I see them get to the worst possible dig or insult, they will literally bust out belly gut laughing. Both of them! I, on the other hand am just speechless, ( possibly even traumatized ) as they will high five one another through what appears to be a really good time between the two of them.
As I write out this comment, I am coming to realize that with so many of your comments that I have read here at "World News," for the last year or so, where I have thought to myself,  💭 "What a pompous elitist schmuck this man is," 💭 what you've more then likely been doing is, simply attempting to bond with other's here through "bantering."
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Now if you are willing help me with this "bantering" thing, just know that for all of my life, I have never been able to tap into that place of realizing or knowing the difference between bantering ( which = fun ) and bullying. ( which = abusive. 😥 a tearing away at one's soul )
Thanks 😁

When you are a hammer .....
...everything looks like a nail!

My guess was that Linda James was going along with the joke.
My intent was to have people continue the "story", and see where it would end up.
That assumes everybody "got it".

Yes. I did realize that it was a joke. But thanks for asking 😇 just in case I didn't know that it was a joke. 

It does not have to be THAT funny to be mildly amusing, invoking mental imagry of the various sub-references.….. and besides, it was fun to write, and like Dilbert, most of my humor only I understand. 
 
….. thanks for stopping by, and don’t forget to tip the waitresses.
 
 

He is, we are, and it's fun  

WE agree then that people have 'hurt' Almighty God by working against the Holy Spirit.
The ones that did so are the ones that told the Anointed 'not to gather together for prayer or Bible study' Those ones also told the Anointed that the Anointed would be 'working against the Holy Spirit'. 
Those ones also say they are the F&DS and they falsely boast that God and Christ trust them. 
Yes, it quite to clear to see who have insulted Almighty God and Jesus Christ. It is your GB and their helpers.

It's quite funny what lies people tell themselves in order to have a clear conscience about being a JW. 
And it's even funnier when they write it in such a sly way that it makes honest hearted people look to be the villains.  
But as Elders or even Ex Elders I suppose it's their job to hide truth and to make excuses for the dishonest and immoral JW org / Watchtower Soc / GB 
 
 

James, I think you are unwell. We know you have been through a tough time lately but, well I think you need some help. 
 
A reference to a GB member being filmed in a supermarket buying bottles of booze. 
Oh dear. Sorry James it's not even that funny. 

You do realise that it's a joke ? Sick yes but a joke. 

You do realise that it's a joke ? Sick yes but a joke. 

James, I think you are unwell. We know you have been through a tough time lately but, well I think you need some help. 
 
A reference to a GB member being filmed in a supermarket buying bottles of booze. 
Oh dear. Sorry James it's not even that funny. 

Does this exposition on the definitions of some words, mean that it is (not) quite normal for JW members to so readily accept the changed definitions in so many GB teachings, which have taken on new meanings in relation to the original ones? Because you say yourself: One way is simply refuse to accept it.

People invariably relate experiences both good and bad.
If you happen to have been in the same room as the event being reported, you have greater credibility with yourself if you agree with the judgment that it's "good" or "bad" because you were present.
Of course this doesn't mean that your judgment is correct. A third person or even a fourth of fifth person might disagree.
Eyewitness testimony isn't very good. This is why the police interview everyone they can when investigating a crime. No one expects the testimony to be consistent or correct.
It's more like plotting points on a graph. The more points plotted, the more likely you have an accurate picture of a given graphed function.
On the other hand it's important that the eyewitnesses not have time to rehearse their testimony or time to synchronize their testimony with those of others.
Actual footage of an event from multiple angles is best and if you can also get audio that adds value.
A person's attitude, their previous experiences and the things they believe to be true and righteous vary and this is true even among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Now on the synchronization side of things we can see that people quite naturally seek out others who see things the way they do and are not particularly pleased if there isn't agreement.
I see the grumbling lot not as liars, but as those who as a result of various factors has chosen to play a different movie of the annoying events in their lives and with a different music track to these events.
I remember reading in a book somewhere that in a relationship the more things you have in common (as long as these are positive things) the better. I'm talking about a value system as well more importantly. But, they countered that having identical values isn't sufficient as it needs to be determined how these values rank in relation to each other. In a scarce or competing resource situation, how will these things be prioritized?
Some people are more "feelings" oriented and if something doesn't feel right, even if it is right it isn't enough for them and this is why you have to dig deep and see what it is in your own mind (because we all have feelings) that feels right or doesn't feel right and really figure out why.

Alas, the editing feature is being sharply restricted lately—it shut down early, so I must make another comment to get the attention of @Space Merchant. Please read the above two comments.
(And the delete function has disappeared! Yikes! This means I’ll have to use much more restraint with PSomH. How many times have I quickly slapped back at the dodo, then deleted my own hasty comment?)

WTJWorg’s explanation is that people need to achieve "perfection" in NW, so that they are then overtaken by the “last test” that will finally prove their faith, devotion to God and give the final answer to the “universal issue”.
Thanks for the comment Witness. Namely, you set a good example with the old patriarchs. But I would add more, if I may. Regardless of past or present faithful people, they prove their faithfulness to God as “imperfect” people. Why then should we prove the same as "perfect"? Well, isn't victory over evil greater and more glorious when you are imperfect than when you are perfect?
On second, about GB member Splane. What special "spiritual truths" would GB members told David or other people from past. Perhaps about "overlapping generation" or "monthly report", "clergy-laity distinction", how to use "lawyers" in Court cases about CSA, "blue envelops", "shunning policy" ...,?? 

This is the proclamation that the "day of the Lord" has arrived.  2 Thess 2:1,2  tells us that this announcement will appear to be from faithful anointed - even those who compare themselves to the apostles.  2 Thess 2:3,4 describes the existence of the Beast from the sea as the "man of lawlessness" taking over the Temple of the anointed priesthood.  (Mark 13:14; Rev 11:1,2; Rev 13:1,2,5-7).  False apostles give power and authority to the elder body/man of lawlessness to represent and prevent the priesthood from becoming one body in Christ.  (2 Cor 11:13;)  
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of of the Lord had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars"  Rev 2:2

I’ll try to answer your questions.  Really, the answers are all connected together, and the best help to understand is to go to the links I frequently provide.
Rev 20:1,2 - Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
When Satan was abyssed, it was a restriction of his power to deceive Christ’s faithful anointed, because we know there were those whose hearts were not faithful to truth, and who left Body and disconnected from Christ. (1 John 2:19; Col 2:18,19)   But, we have the account in Luke 10:17-20 when Satan was abyssed – not able to “perceive” how to enact a great deceptive plan to gain authority and power over the anointed.
And the seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!” 18 So he said to them, “I saw Satan falling like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I have given you the authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will ever harm you. 20 Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are inscribed in heaven.” 
This was the beginning of the “thousand year” reign of Jesus Christ.  He never said his reign would be one of peace, as the Wt teaches, but division. (Mal 3:18; Matt 10:34; 1 Cor 1:11; Heb 4:12)  It is a time period of spiritual war. (2 Cor 10:4,5; James 4:7)  His faithful ones fought it with truth, and entered into the “kingdom of the Son He loves”. (Col 1:13,14)   The unfaithful were won over by Satan – they became the enemies at the foot of Jesus Christ and the Father. (Ps 110:1-3; 1 Cor 15:24,25)
 These faithful ones, never fell spiritually captive to the Wild Beast from the sea in Rev 13:1,2. They did not “worship” it, which is stated in Rev 20:4. (Eph 6:10,11; Rev 13:4)  But, in the time of the end, before the Kingdom of God is ushered in, we find the anointed “kings of the earth”, (Rev 1:5) “overcome”/”conquered” by the falsehoods it promotes. (Rev 16:13-16; Rev 13:5-7)  They had no “authority” to “trample snakes and scorpions”. (Rev 9:3,4)    This time period is when Satan is free from his symbolic chains of “not perceiving” (the meaning of “abyss”).  He then knew how to enact his plan to desperately preserve his kingdom and destroy those in Christ.  (Rev 12:12,17; Ezek 21:21,22; Rev 13:1,4; 20:7,8; 16:13-16; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:7,10; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+12%3A12%2C17%3B+Ezek+21%3A21%2C22%3B+Rev+13%3A1%2C4%3B+20%3A7%2C8%3B+16%3A13-16%3B+1+Tim+4%3A1%3B+Rev+13%3A7%2C10%3B+Col+2%3A8%3B+Luke+21%3A24&version=NKJV
So, In Rev 20, we see first of all, that Satan is abyssed.  It is followed by the declaration of those heavenly faithful who never “worshiped the beast”. (Rev 20:4)  They did not become slaves to men and to their idol/organization. (2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10) But then, Satan is let loose. (Rev 20:7)  He gives the “key”, the inspiration, to a fallen anointed one and his dark plan to deceive the last group of anointed, is enacted. (2 Cor 11:13-15; Rev 8:10; 9:1) The organization begins developing. (Rev 13:5,11,13,15-17) From there we see that the “camp of the saints and the beloved city” – the last of the anointed on the earth – are gradually and then fully surrounded by “Gog of Magog”, including people from all nations with them. (Rev 20:7-9)  The “beloved city” is “New Jerusalem”, the New Covenant promise of life that they are under. (Gal 4:26) Gog of Magog is another description of the two Beasts of Revelation 13 – One, comprised of “Gentiles” (iron); one coming from the earth, “Jews”, those under covenant with Christ. (clay). (Dan 2:40-43; 7:23; Rev 9:7-9 ) (Isa 64:8; 2 Cor 4:7; Isa 41:25)
 They together, are the feet of Daniel’s vision of the statue, and the last power to come over God’s holy people.   Is it not true, that the governing leadership has chosen to rule with, and as “Gentiles”, their army of elder helpers; while rejected the anointed “army” of God?  (Mark 10:37-45; 1 John 4:20; 3:15;Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:15,11)
The Greek word for “thousand” in Rev 20:2 is χίλιοι chílioi meaning:“plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand”
“The adjective χιλιοι (chilioi) means a thousand, but note that in the first century, people didn't maintain as strict an arithmetic standard as we do today. There weren't many instances of the number thousand (one thousand of the same things is quite rare in the real world) and when such a thing occurred, it was rarely necessary to precisely count them. In other words: our adjective χιλιοι (chilioi) rather means "a whole bunch; probably somewhere near ten groups of roughly a hundred each".” https://www.abarim-publications.com/DictionaryG/ch/ch-i-l-i-o-i.html
Revelation is symbolic, a book of signs. (Rev 1:1)  To denote that a “thousand years” is a literal fixed time period in a symbolic book, goes against the meaning of the Bible’s “thousand”, in general.  Even in the Hebrew scriptures, Jewish scholars seem to agree that “thousand” indicate a large approximate number.  If Jesus’ thousand year reign lasted almost 2,000 years, this doesn’t contradicted the Bible’s meaning of a “thousand”.  
“But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”  2 Pet 3:8
We know that “death will be destroyed” when Armageddon comes to an end. (1 Cor 15:26)  How then, could death be resurrected a literal thousand years later?  The scriptures say that when Satan is free of his chains, he misleads “a number as the sand of the sea”. Those who do not escape his deceit, are destroyed. (Rev 20:8,9) The Beast of Rev 13:1,2 rises out of the sea.  Isa 57:20 tell us what “sea” can refer to.
“But the wicked are like the tossing sea, which cannot rest, whose waves cast up mire and mud”. 
So, from the “wicked”, the organization/Beast that “makes war” and surrounds the anointed, is born. (Rev 13:1,2; Rev 20:9) 
Also, the “saints” cannot be surrounded a thousand years into the Kingdom, since they will be reigning with Jesus Christ. All who reign with him during the Kingdom had already conquered evil, death, and Satan’s deceptions. (Rev 12:10,11;  But again, who surrounds them now?  The elder body/man of lawlessness who has trampled down the Temple of God (1 Cor 3:16,17). (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14,21-23; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)  They have the authority to rule over them, given to them by spiritual “harlots”/false prophets. (Rev 13:11,15; 17:3-6)
We have only this life, this time period to be judged.  To think we must gain our physical youth and perfect mental awareness during a trial period in the Kingdom, is well, deceitful stupidity, and a slap in the face of Jesus Christ. Didn’t Satan use a similar tactic with Eve?  Both Adam and Eve had life placed before them, but they chose to reject it.  They broke their covenant with God.  We have life placed before us in Jesus Christ.  If we choose men, not inspired, to judge our spirituality, telling us “you will not die” if we remain under their corrupt influential organization, are we not like Adam and Eve, as we fall for their consistent 100+ year old lies?  (Hos 6:4-10)
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. 25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.”  John 5”24-27
Anyone who believes and obey Jesus Christ’s teachings does not need to be tested one more time a thousand years into the Kingdom of God. Even the unrepentant wicked do not need to be tested one more time.  We are all judged by what we do in this lifetime.  
“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.”
I think we need to keep in mind that the teaching of a thousand years of peace is taught by the Wt.  How many times have they deceived and twisted the scriptures over the years?  Should we trust any of their teachings? (Matt 7:15-20)
 Can we imagine faithful Job, Noah, Elijah, Isaiah, Abraham, Moses, Esther, Deborah, having to face yet another test after all they went through while on earth? How absolutely unfair of God to allow Satan to have another go at them.   It would be unfair to promise that these will receive eternal life, only to withdraw that promise by allowing Satan to deceive them again, once tasting the bounty of God’s blessings.  They, and so many more faithful held on to the promise of eternal, forever, never interrupted…life.  These pillars will not need to be taught by anyone, as GB Splane sarcastically explained when speaking about David’s resurrection.  He and his false teacher companions have sold  their soul to the devil.  (Luke 4:5-7).
The ancient faithful ones…“But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.”  Heb 11:16
God is the God of the “living”, not of the eternal “dead”.  Matt 22:32   Any faithful ones in the memorial tombs who have lost their physical life, are “living” to God.
So again, the thousand years of Christ’s reign is the “kingdom of the Son he loves”.  This is when the anointed over the centuries are judged according to their love of truth, or their rejection of it and rejection Jesus Christ as their Head.  It is a divisive spiritual battle that rages even until the end.  (Eph 6:10,11) and a gathering of his priests to reign with him in the Kingdom.  (Rev 5:9,10)
I mentioned that Wt. is Satan’s “magnum opus”, his greatest work of deceit against the remaining holy ones.  Satan was “let loose” to put the plan in action on how to deceive the elect.  (Mark 13:22) The advent of the organization, and particularly the lie of 1914, coincides with Satan’s release from the abyss. This event leads to the Great Tribulation/Armageddon now in progress. (Matt 24:21,9,15)  It is not something seen in the world, as the Wt. says and which Satan plays into their proclamation, but it is spiritual.  His “short period of time”, his “little while” to do his dirty work covers the life of the organization.  (Rev 20:3)
Those who grab hold of the skirt of the (spiritual) Jew, come to the banquet, the understanding of Revelation’s scrolls -  the “Marriage Feast of the Lamb”…even now.  These “little dogs” who are leaving the now “apostate city”, (the organization and its leadership) and are searching for truth are just as important to God as are His priests who serve them, which is the assignment God has given to His “royal priesthood” - to be “ministers” to His children.  (Mal 2:7;1 Pet 2:5; Heb 1:14) 
Jesus didn’t turn his back on the woman who wanted her child healed.  He would not turn his back on any who desire to find wisdom and truth. (Matt 15:27)  To this “mountain” of knowledge in the faithful anointed Temple, Isa 2:2 tells us that just after Armageddon, “all the nations shall flow to it”.  Isa 60:1-5; 11,14; Rev 21:24-27; Rev 3:9; 15:4; Isa 2:3,4  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+60%3A1-5%3B+11%2C14%3B+Rev+21%3A24-27%3B+Rev+3%3A9%3B+15%3A4%3B+Isa+2%3A3%2C4&version=NKJV
Again Jesus used stories as illustrations when he spoke to them. He said, 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who planned a wedding for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the wedding, but they refused to come. (foolish virgins, Matt 25) 4 He sent other servants to tell the people who had been invited, ‘I’ve prepared dinner. My bulls and fattened calves have been butchered. Everything is ready. Come to the wedding!’
5 “But they paid no attention and went away. Some went to work in their own fields, and others went to their businesses. (the duties and attention to “Jehovah’s organization”)   6 The rest grabbed the king’s servants, mistreated them, and then killed them. (disfellowshipping of those anointed who speak truth, Matt 23:34; Rev 13:15)
7 “The king became angry. He sent his soldiers, killed those murderers, and burned their city.  (Rev 11:1-7; Jer 23:29)
8 “Then the king said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited don’t deserve the honor. 9 Go where the roads leave the city. (leave the organization, Rev 18:4-8) Invite everyone you find to the wedding.’ (Isa 55:1-5;John 13:20; Rev 22:17 The servants went into the streets and brought in all the good people and all the evil people they found. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 “When the king came to see the guests, he saw a person who was not dressed in the wedding clothes ⌞provided for the guests⌟. 12 He said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without proper wedding clothes?’
“The man had nothing to say. 13 Then the king told his servants, ‘Tie his hands and feet, and throw him outside into the darkness. People will cry and be in extreme pain there.’ 
14 “Therefore, many are invited, but few of those are chosen to stay.” Matt 22
 
As I mentioned before, total, eternal peace and life, with no looming threat of possible death, will reign in the Kingdom of God because that is what is promised. (Rev chapter 21)  It will not be interrupted by an attack of Satan a thousand years into this Kingdom of eternal life.  I cringed when I heard the GB member mention the Wt doctrine of a thousand years after Armageddon, during his video on the king of the north. Almost every doctrine offered by the Wt. either began tainted, or became tainted… or is totally opposite from what the scriptures teach from the get go.  This is the poisoning of the “waters” by the fallen “star/anointed one.  Rev 8:10,11
 
 
Why must Satan be released from the abyss?
 
 
 
 

WE agree then that people have 'hurt' Almighty God by working against the Holy Spirit.
The ones that did so are the ones that told the Anointed 'not to gather together for prayer or Bible study' Those ones also told the Anointed that the Anointed would be 'working against the Holy Spirit'. 
Those ones also say they are the F&DS and they falsely boast that God and Christ trust them. 
Yes, it quite to clear to see who have insulted Almighty God and Jesus Christ. It is your GB and their helpers.

Witnesses plainly don’t fit the traditional definition of a cult that we all grew up with. Time was, if you fell under the spell of a charismatic leader, withdrew from society, and began doing strange things, you just might be a member of a cult.
However, the goal posts have been moved! There is a new definition of cult, and by this definition we do fit. If you belong to a group in which there is significant human authority and if you think outside of the mainstream box, you are a cult. That nutcase BITE expert thinks half the country (United States) belongs to a cult for voting for the candidate he disfavors.
So the question becomes how do you adapt to this new normal?
One way is simply refuse to accept it. “Cult” has had specific meaning for centuries, and just don’t budge from that specific meaning. The only reason it has changed is because humanists are intent upon snuffing out religion that becomes powerful through organization. If it is only a matter of uncoordinated individuals each acting (or more often, not acting) upon his or her own personal interpretation of God, that is less of a threat to them, and they are okay with it. Disconnected individuals are relatively easy to pick off or assimilate, but it is much harder with a centralized coordinated group.
Another way of dealing with the updated definition is to accept it but also point out that the Bible thereby becomes a cult manual. It plainly speaks of a first century group in which there was significant human authority. That gathering of the apostles of older men in 49CE (Acts 15) sent out decrees (decisions) to the congregation that were to be observed. (Acts 16:4-5)
A supplemental way is to revert to the original meaning of cult, for it comes from the same root word as does agriculture. Whereas agriculture is literally caring for the earth, cult in the religious sense can be taken as caring for the matters of God. I’ll take it. It is not too different from serving as ‘guardians of doctrine.’
One can also be very resourceful and turn that taunt (for that is how it is usually intended) on its head, the same way some innovative police years ago dealt with the taunt pigs. They advertised that is stood for Pride, Integrity Guts, and Service. In the same way, as applied to Witnesses, cult can stand for Courage, Unity, Love, and Truth.
The villains don’t own the dictionary. We can make as much use of it as they. In the case of hostile ex-Witnesses, we can even adapt the Freddy Mercury song:
We’re the apostates, my friends
and we’ll keep on fighting till the end
No way we’ll lost this
Be sure you choose us
Cause we’re the apostates of he world.