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Patiently waiting for Truth

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Thinking in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Thinking DID NOT SAY THAT ,,,,!!!…I think you have got rabies…
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    You can see the same situation w/regard to people who lost money in an investment scheme. Now you and I wouldn't say that anything valuable was lost by becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but these have, but they adopt an invalid strategy for losing value - they spend more time arguing w/Jehovah's Witnesses. It's the sunk cost fallacy. We see this sort of thing in relationships all the time. How many people who after living perhaps 17 years as minor children to less than perfect (or even terrible) parents blame their lives decades later on their parents?
    I would argue that clearly these didn't feel they were getting a raw deal (in their view) until they felt they were and they felt that they wished they could have gone back in time and had a do-over. Who hasn't wished they could go back and change some decision?
    Point is that it's not baffling, but in many cases it isn't useful to continue to rail (at least in an emotional way - some adopt a more studious approach and write books contra-JW's) against decisions past-made.
    The other case is that these likely have social relationships which these would have likely wanted to retain, but for the decisions these have made, they can no longer maintain.
    Some feel honestly that they have made the right decision and that they could simply not play along w/it all no matter the cost, while others not as sure of themselves lash out in an attempt to provoke the kind of response which would justify the way they feel.
    I would say to these to perhaps consider the possibility that their own feelings are self-caused and that any happiness or sadness these are feeling are natural reactions to the way in which these events have been presented by the self to the self.
    Further, if what these are doing does not yield greater comfort or satisfaction it should be asked whether these are injuring themselves because they haven't accepted that they made decisions and that all that led to them becoming Jehovah's Witnesses and them leaving as well were their own decisions as well. Are these self-flagellating in an attempt to atone for the sins they imagined they made which led them to where they are today?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    I do not have an answer for hate-OCD - it seems to be a mental condition for which there is no cure.  People have hurt the Spirit of Jehovah too much...... I will not even try to answer or help. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.   
    Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff, known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.
    A huge sinkhole approximately 85 feet wide, at the edges of Disneyworld's remote parking lot 9G opened up this morning at about 9:45 AM and swallowed up a New York Tour Bus chartered by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for the Bethel Art Department's annual "Mousekateers Mashup", and disappeared out of sight into the limestone caverns that undermine most of Florida.
    The only survivor, an un-named  member of the Society's Governing Body and driver of the bus,  and reported creator of those lost to the sinkhole, leapt from the front door as the bus's rear wheels crashed through the asphalt and slid to oblivion, and suffered cuts from broken glass bottles he was carrying in his pockets.
    The bus slid to oblivion .... the driver staggered away across the parking lot.
    Investigations showed that "Caleb's Family" had not been seen for several years now, with the general assumption had been they had already been thrown under a bus somewhere in New York State.
    This is an on-going story and will be updated as more facts emerge.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Associated Press: Dateline Orlando Florida, June 7, 2021 - Entire Watchtower Bethel Class cartoon character staff known as "Caleb's Family" swallowed up by Florida Sinkhole.   
    I never even knew that this was a thing.
    Wait a minute. Didn't governing body member Anthony Morris admonish the members that going to Disney World before doing a tour of Bethel would be......
    Do you think that the unnamed Governing Body member at the seen of the sinkhole was possibly Anthony Morris the Third. Oh my.... I shudder at the thought.
    Wow! A huge sinkhole. That must have been so awful for everyone involved. That's just so awful!
    Evidently these kind of sinkholes are quite possible when choosing to build over what once was swampland or wetlands.
    Come to think of it, the Ramapo media center that is intended to be built, will be built over wetlands.
    🤦🙈🙉🙊😱
    I just hope that with Jehovah's hand, all of that state of the art technology that will implemented won't be experiencing a huge sinkhole.
    🐣🙏🏼🐥🙏🏼🐤🙏🏼
    Now this is going to be interesting
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    BUT, your GB and other Leaders will happily rely on Educated people when it comes to :-
    Lawyers in court.
    Building Warwick and buying and building Ramapo.
    And where did all the computer knowledge come from, and all the filming / video technique ?
    All of the above needed legal advice, technical advice, safety inspections et al.
    Most of that comes from higher education, it is not learnt in the normal schooling of youngsters, and it is not by learnt online courses.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    You write a massive STATEMENT pretending that YOU have this special knowledge but you condemn @Witness when she writes anything. Hypocrisy at it's best. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    BUT, your GB and other Leaders will happily rely on Educated people when it comes to :-
    Lawyers in court.
    Building Warwick and buying and building Ramapo.
    And where did all the computer knowledge come from, and all the filming / video technique ?
    All of the above needed legal advice, technical advice, safety inspections et al.
    Most of that comes from higher education, it is not learnt in the normal schooling of youngsters, and it is not by learnt online courses.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    That's a lot of words just to admit that you don't have an answer. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Once again we see a good Christian attitude from a JW.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    And you would know about hate 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in DEFINING APOSTASY   
    When I read your comments Tom I can understand why it is a waste of time and effort talking to people such as you.
    The scripture is right. "Do not cast your pearls before swine". 
    It's not so much that @Witness is right all the time, but you certainly act like a childish swine in reply.
    As for women prophesying   Acts 2 : 17
    Berean Study Bible
    ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
    But you don't seem to believe what God says do you Tom ? You seem to rely on the words of your GB
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    BUT, your GB and other Leaders will happily rely on Educated people when it comes to :-
    Lawyers in court.
    Building Warwick and buying and building Ramapo.
    And where did all the computer knowledge come from, and all the filming / video technique ?
    All of the above needed legal advice, technical advice, safety inspections et al.
    Most of that comes from higher education, it is not learnt in the normal schooling of youngsters, and it is not by learnt online courses.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    That's a lot of words just to admit that you don't have an answer. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    BUT, your GB and other Leaders will happily rely on Educated people when it comes to :-
    Lawyers in court.
    Building Warwick and buying and building Ramapo.
    And where did all the computer knowledge come from, and all the filming / video technique ?
    All of the above needed legal advice, technical advice, safety inspections et al.
    Most of that comes from higher education, it is not learnt in the normal schooling of youngsters, and it is not by learnt online courses.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    You write a massive STATEMENT pretending that YOU have this special knowledge but you condemn @Witness when she writes anything. Hypocrisy at it's best. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    I think we already know that the GB ( and previous leaders ) make it up as they go along. 
    Acts 15 : 28 & 29
    It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell. 
    That seems to prove that the GB go beyond the things written. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Acts 15.  
    28. For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
    Berean Study Bible
    You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
    Those three things are referring to food stuff. Things eaten via the mouth.  
    However, I am always fascinated when you 'reveal' a 'new light' of thought, because it seems you have an 'inside knowledge' of the workings of the GB and it's helpers. 
    Your last sentence ( above quoted ) says it all after Reading the 'Core 'beliefs'. 
    Such hypocrisy to say " WE DO NOT TAKE BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS" Then to say " WE ALLOW CONGREGANTS TO USE THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE".  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    The history of bridesmaids at weddings is pagan but JWs still have bridesmaids but call them by a different name. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    I think it has been proven that God's name is not Jehovah. Even when Rutherford started the JW thing they actually believed that God's name was Yahweh, but because Jehovah was 'well known' at the time, that was what they used. Yehovah may be closer but in fact no one really knows.
    But totally disobey Jesus' words about baptism. 
    The 1914 teaching cannot be proven and is probably untrue.  All authority was given to Jesus in 33 C.E. unless you wish to call Christ a liar. 
    Re-read your own words and stop and think right there.  through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Not through the JW Org.
    But the Org teaches that, A. One has to get baptised into the ORG, B. One has to be a baptised JW to be saved.
    The JW way is not God's or Christ's way. The instruction from Jesus was to to Baptise in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 
    This idea that they will rule from heaven is not definite. One scripture seems to be able to be translated as either 'over the earth' or 'on the earth'.  And there is something about Gog / Magog surrounding the Camp of the Holy Ones, which would be on Earth ? As I don't pretend to fully understand this, i will keep an open mind on it. 
    I like this.  This is truthful. @Arauna thinks humans are 'most important' or that was how she commented to me. But this shows truth in that the issue is more about the spirit realm than about us. There would be no point cleansing the Earth if Satan and his demons still 'ruled over it'. 
    This could lead to a large debate .  Most things that JWs 'see' are material things. Especially in America with Warrick and Ramapo. And JWs look to the GB as God's mouthpiece F&DS. All reading material comes from this GB and their helpers, some of whom are not even Anointed ones. The whole JW movement is based on what is seen with physical eyes. Not much room is left for real faith. 
    This is a funny one. Instruction comes from the GB via talks and the Watchtower mag. So beliefs clarified are taught to the congregations. That actually means that the congregation is TOLD what to believe. However personal Bible reading is encouraged AS LONG AS a congregant does not find reason to disagree with the GB's instruction on what to believe. 
    Um, yes, but only if you do it to the GB's set of rules. The GB had it written in the Watchtower that members of the Anointed would 'not want to meet together to pray or to study God's word' and, if they did meet together ' they would be working against the Holy Spirit'
    Congregants don't actually do much of this. Especially since the 'trolly/cart' work started. What congregants do is act as puppets for the GB. To stand at a cart offering the written word of the GB is not preaching the Good News. Also offering Watchtower mags is not preaching the Good News, it is distributing the GB's written words. 
    This is of course a complete lie. The Elders are the clergy class and prove it in Court rooms around the world.  
    This is another lie. The beard thing being one issue. Dress code being another. Birthdays another. And as a personal thing I was totally embarrassed by an Elder at my daughter's wedding, when this Elder put his hand over my glass and told me, in front of everyone, that I was NOT ALLOWED to drink a toast to my daughter and her new husband. 
    This is another issue which was the teaching of MEN, not of GOD. @JW Insider has raised this point. 
    Not much respect in Australia when asked to join the compensation scheme. Not much respect in the UK when the Charity Commission first asked for CSA documents. 
    Unless it is someone that has left the JW Org of course. Or even a young person that was baptised too young and then commits sin. Jesus also said 'to love your enemy'. But JWs show hatred to ex JWs and to anyone that is disfellowshipped, and we know that people are d/fed for the wrong reasons some times. But all are shunned and despised. And the CSA / Pedophile problem and mistreatment of Victims shows the hypocrisy here.
    Core teachings. Hypocrisy at it's best. The whole thing just proves the dishonesty and lies of the Governing Body and others involved in writing it, and in pretending it is true.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Once again we see a good Christian attitude from a JW.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    That's a lot of words just to admit that you don't have an answer. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    I have been on this forum much longer than you.  I recognize hate-OCD when I see it.  All apostates have it and I usually do not even answer them.  So I think I will ignore you from now on. ......
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    You write a massive STATEMENT pretending that YOU have this special knowledge but you condemn @Witness when she writes anything. Hypocrisy at it's best. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    BUT, your GB and other Leaders will happily rely on Educated people when it comes to :-
    Lawyers in court.
    Building Warwick and buying and building Ramapo.
    And where did all the computer knowledge come from, and all the filming / video technique ?
    All of the above needed legal advice, technical advice, safety inspections et al.
    Most of that comes from higher education, it is not learnt in the normal schooling of youngsters, and it is not by learnt online courses.
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