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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    You write a massive STATEMENT pretending that YOU have this special knowledge but you condemn @Witness when she writes anything. Hypocrisy at it's best. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Hey - do not let them intimidate you.  You have a right to say what you think. They are silencing you when they do not accept solid logical reasoning from the bible. They only accept what they want from the bible and discard the rest!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Thinking in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Yes I agree with what you have said..but it’s not up to us to tell others not to go or proceed…it boils down to a personal choice…
    To be a teacher..lawyer or social worker or nurse now…we have to go to university…..we must learn to live with in the world…yet remain in good standing before Jehovah..
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    I read all this and what I see is a lot of spiritual shoulder surfing. Everyone needs to listen to their bible trained conscience and leave it at that. Usually this means that the reason you don't do a number of things is more due to custom or because you don't want to stumble people. Let's face it. People are idiots and they'd rather gawk around the room to see what everyone else is doing and do what the "prominent" do than to do their own homework and mind their own business and reap what they themselves sow. (of course they can't avoid the latter) Quite frankly this is why any remark made in person or in print by anyone which doesn't come w/scriptural support (which I can see as flowing from) I'll gladly ignore. If it looks like I'm paying attention that's probably because there is scriptural support. If you can't see it don't imagine I'm following the advise for any other reason than to avoid stumbling someone or because this is likely not the hill I'm willing to die on.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    I'm sorry, but I don't think it can be looked at and compared so literally. The foreknowledge and knowledge and wisdom and experience of Jesus, who came to Earth from the position of a person in the Universe with the title of - the Word, the Firstborn and the Only Begotten, is incomparable to Adam and Eve, even as "perfect" humans. This is another type of equality that was needed to equalize the values of life and death, and thus redemption.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    All universities are so compromised - they have become schools of degenerate propaganda. All these newfangled philosophies are now taught and students are forced to take the subjects - no matter what your degree.   Students dare not show if they disagree with the teachers because freedom of speech is gone - they become marked.  have you not heard of the professors who are leaving universities in droves because of what is going on? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Actually Shreco -   Each family was directly under Jehovah with the family head as the one directing the affairs of the family. Family heads were to keep the family (and extended family when death occurred) in Jehovah's worship and exercise a loving relationship in the family. As long as the family served Jehovah and went to the temple 3 times a year - they had Jehovah's protection and their crops were blessed.  They lived a peaceful life.  Excessive wealth and show piece buildings was not part of the Israelite culture until much later. This time period in the history of Israel was to serve as an example to other nations that each man had his property, home, stock and crops and lived peaceful as long as he served Jehovah. Humans are imperfect and so many unsatisfied Israelites brought bad events on themselves because they followed the nations around them. The priests established schools to teach the laws of Jehovah and each person gave the 10ths of their harvest to Jehovah to support the Levites. It was to be a nation of peaceful people, unharrassed by enemies and blessed. rains food etc. what else would they need? Unless they wanted the things the superstitious nations around them put value on.
    Elders only had power to be witnesses of legal transactions in the city gates or to litigate these written agreements and other matters according to the Mosaic law - which was absolutely clear and easy to litigate.. if they stuck to Jehovah's laws things were easy BUT when they became compromised or corrupted things did not go well. Elders and priests were not given extra ordinary powers.  Jehovah has always been against " one man ruling over another"  Eccl 8:9. If they took power - it was not power given them by Jehovah.  Also, in the cities of refuge (accidental murder) - things went smooth if people did not compromise integrity or took more power for themselves. The bible speaks of the time when these judges were so corrupt that Jehovah would bring the exile to Babylon. 
    This is why Samuel asked the nation why they really wanted a king like other nations?  They would be conscripted to build the king's buildings and would have to fight his wars.  Up until then Jehovah raised judges such as Gideon for Israel to throw off the yoke of other nations who oppressed them.  They would fall under the yoke of other nations only when they worshipped other gods and worship to Jehovah was badly contaminated.  They would cry to Jehovah and he would raise up a judge to free them from oppression.  After they chose to have kings it went rally bad with them because it was king Jeroboam who imported the worst form of false religion into Israel and this remained with them until the 10 tribes were taken into exile by Assyria.
    Under the rulership of Christ we will not have people with POWER. Jesus and his co-rulers will judge us (judging in the sense of making decisions when people do wrong). Each person will follow the laws of Jehovah because the laws are in our hearts - not because we have police following us around or elders to punish us.  All of us will be directly under the rule of Christ and Jehovah who can read hearts!  Freedom under the laws of Jehovah!  Each person will willingly follow the laws of god and those who continually break them will go into second death. 
    The princes the bible talks about will make it easier for us t o learn about jehovah and organize us to serve jehovah better and know his principles.  I see them as facilitators. They will also organize and help us and plan activities - not rule over us!  Human rulership will be over! ! ! jehovah's kingdom will be ruling!   We do not know if angels will be the messengers or what..... but we will be under direct rulership!
    Adam and eve already had a conscience and already knew good from bad!  They wanted more!  Satan told them that they can become their own gods by deciding good and bad for themselves! he told them they would not die - a lie! People are still doing it today.  They find the ways of Jehovah restrictive and not benevolent.
    Jehovah knows how society must function and the laws which are needed so that people do not hurt each other inadvertently or deliberately! All must follow the principles to live happy and without cares.   Do you want proof that Adam knew good from bad?    The bible calls Jesus the last Adam because he is the only and last one needed to prove the justness of Jehovah's good and bad.   He came to earth and was the exact equivalent of Adam. He knew good from bad and maintained integrity to the laws of Jehovah until death.  he was just a man like Adam.  He therefore proved that Jehovah was not unfair to expect Adam to keep his moral laws.  He was created perfect. 
    Jehovah gives us all free will - this free will is the most powerful thing Jehovah gave us because we can use it correctly or abuse it. We are created in Jehovah's image with free will - except that we are bound to God in a relationship and to each other. 
     It is like a child you love so much and one sees them break all natural laws and destroy themselves with drugs or crime.  Every person is a free agent and can decide if they want to obey Jehovah in every situation they are in - or not!  Jehovah is not a dictator but created us to be free but in a loving relationship with him.  Some people choose to break out of this relationship and follow their own desires and to break free from jehovah and the principles which bind us to him and give our life meaning. They inevitably fall foul to the ravages of acting against the way they were created to act ! They cannot be happy. Wealth and other things cannot replace the relationship we have with Jehovah! And when this is completely restored we will all be one happy family - love each other and love jehovah they way he created us to be!
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    The anointed do subject themselves to others willingly and take responsibility in a humble spirit because they understand that one human cannot rule over another more than anyone else! We all must honor each other! The dissatisfied ones are usually those who are jealous... or want more for themselves than Jehovah is willing to give!  
    The theme of the bible is this: humans cannot rule over themselves and decide their own good and bad. Each person is a subject of Jehovah - not of any other person! our freedom from our own weaknesses and desires come from putting Jehovah first in our lives!  if we lose that wish to put jehovah first we can become corrupt and could lose everlasting life if this attitude becomes a daily practice.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Srecko, I think a TRUE theocratic system inspired by Holy Spirit, would not have the shortcomings and problems that the W/t / JW Org has. But of course it would suffer serious persecution from outside forces.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    Pathetic answer from a lady that thinks she knows more than everyone else.  You may have seen Satan's big wide world, but you have not even glimpsed at Truth. You are so mixed up with your own thoughts of hate and OCD that you try to apply it to others. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    Serving the GB of JW Org is not the same as serving God through Christ. 
    And did God or Christ put you in the judgement seat to judge @Witness ? 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    And now @Arauna joins in on the insults. These JW 'Christians' really love to insult people. 
    And the only reason you find to insult her IS BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN.  If she was a man and saying that they were Anointed, you would lose all your ammunition. You seem to hate that women can be Anointed and that women can prophecy. But scripture proves that both those things are possible. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    Just more sexist and insulting comments from Tom I see. Does he really think he is a Christian ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    So you too would have the Anointed in subjection to the Elders. 
    It seems you would have had Jesus in subjection to the Jewish religious leaders then.  After all it was the scriptural thing of the day. 
    If Almighty God has anointed ladies, He must have good reason for doing so. And no Anointed ones should be in subjection to the non-anointed, non-spirit guided Elders. 
    I'm not saying Anointed ladies should take the lead, but I'm saying that ALL Anointed ones are more important to God and Christ than any 'earthly' Elder or any of the  'earthly' Leaders of the JW Org. 
    Please remember it will be 'for on account of the chosen ones' that 'the days will be cut short'.  Those chosen ones ARE the BODY OF CHRIST. 
    As for 
    That must refer to your GB who presume they are the F&DS and presume to say that 'God and Christ trust them'. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    So you too would have the Anointed in subjection to the Elders. 
    It seems you would have had Jesus in subjection to the Jewish religious leaders then.  After all it was the scriptural thing of the day. 
    If Almighty God has anointed ladies, He must have good reason for doing so. And no Anointed ones should be in subjection to the non-anointed, non-spirit guided Elders. 
    I'm not saying Anointed ladies should take the lead, but I'm saying that ALL Anointed ones are more important to God and Christ than any 'earthly' Elder or any of the  'earthly' Leaders of the JW Org. 
    Please remember it will be 'for on account of the chosen ones' that 'the days will be cut short'.  Those chosen ones ARE the BODY OF CHRIST. 
    As for 
    That must refer to your GB who presume they are the F&DS and presume to say that 'God and Christ trust them'. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Srecko, I think a TRUE theocratic system inspired by Holy Spirit, would not have the shortcomings and problems that the W/t / JW Org has. But of course it would suffer serious persecution from outside forces.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    lol.... so, other faiths have also God's guidance and blessings to find "the truth", not just GB !?  
    In my case, it happened that my mother and then immediately my father accepted the JW religion when I was 7 years old. Let’s say I was raised from a young age “in faith”. So it’s just such circumstances that I’ve been the most, and the longest considering my age, in the JW religion. So, what to expect from me? :)))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    Thanks for both of your comments Thinking. In those days, as i can recall, before new system of kings was established, there was important people like Judges, Priests, Levites, Tribe Elders, ..., and Law of Moses.  From this I would conclude that this is not about a lack of administration or persons in positions of power to lead the people. Ever since the creation of Adam and Eve, God has established the principle of "free will" and independent decision-making, and the ability to learn to recognize "what is good and what is bad." 
    No matter how you try to set things up there is no real solution. If the people are without "leadership", anarchy occurs. If a nation has “leadership” then there is an abuse of power and position that is often times legalized to the point that little can be change.
    The old nation of Israel during the Judges was not a disorganized group that came from the “jungle”. There were laws and people in power, and the Israelites were a “literate” people who knew how to read the Law of Moses. Something else went wrong.
    There is insufficient information on how God envisioned Adam and Eve to gain “knowledge of what is good and what is evil,” and insufficient we can know how God intended the principle of “free will” and independent decision-making to be implemented globally. According to the Bible report, His idea failed very quickly as far as the First People were concerned. We don’t know enough about what happened to the “rebellious angel or angels” before Eden Tree. So we have a question; did the "devil" have a rebellious activity long before the appearance of Adam and Eve, based on the same principle of "free will"? If so, the Bible says nothing that God sanctioned him. Which would be strange if God had done nothing against rebellion “in heaven”. It is hard for me to imagine that the "devil" could have hidden his rebellious spirit so well, and that it was only with the appearance of Adam and Eve that it first came to the fore in such a public way.
    Unfortunately, I come to the realization that, all types of systems are flawed. In Eden, in the ancient Nation of Israel, and in the WTJWorg, the so-called "theocratic system of government" has the same effects and shortcomings as the best system man has found and called the "democratic system of government."
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Thinking in JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied   
    There is no justification for that secro…and yes unfortunately we are judged on our reports as to our spirituality by many…but that is slowly changing……( so it seems to me anyway ) and we are wrong to advise not to do higher education….I’m hoping eventually that will change….and no I don’t put reports in and yes I do still witness….personally tho I find these things frustrating…I know these things will pass eventually and be corrected… 
    There are many things that we may see not right amongst Jehovah’s people….but we need to put up with some things knowing Jehovah is allowing them…and besides…like it or not…it’s good training for us..to humbly wait on Jesus and his Kingdom.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Thinking in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    What a lot of these so called anointed sisters fail to realise is we are still under the scriptural advise that the man is head of the woman….a truly anointed woman would know this..and even tho more than likely have much deeper understanding of the scriptures than any elder….they would recognise this and be obedient to this earthly and scriptural  laid out arrangement…and conduct in any congregation.
    There is nothing humble about any of these women….they are presumptions beyond belief….
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    So, do the Anointed leave the Org ? If so where do they go ? Where is this camp of the saints and the beloved city.
    Is it physical or spiritual ? You say it happens before Armageddon, or during Armageddon ? 
    Are you saying there is no 'thousand year reign' of Christ ?  Are you saying that Armageddon is a war between the Devil and the Anointed remnant ? 
    AND, when will truth be taught to the 'little dogs', the ordinary people of this Earth ?  HOW will people know how to serve God properly if all this is happening in 'secret' ?  Will there in fact be a complete judgement of all mankind ? 
    I'm sorry but your 'teachings' are so totally different that you have to follow through with all situations regarding all peoples to be able to make sense of the scriptures.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Could the JW.org sell off all kingdom Halls and become a full time Zoom religion complete with back room counseling and Disflellowshipping?   
    What we both need to prove, and not to each other, is our faith in God and Christ. 
    Surely you do believe that, With God all things are possible ?  Because the things that are to take place here on Earth cannot be done by humans. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    Just more sexist and insulting comments from Tom I see. Does he really think he is a Christian ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Did everyone notice another book added to the Watchtower Library "CD" and the WOL?   
    Her hate-OCD has convinced me she is not a child of Christ - just as your crazy rantings and misapplication of scripture has also put you in the same category.  So you love what she says - no surprise there!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Charles Taze Russell: Dates, Expectations, Predictions, Apologies, Response, Relevance   
    God used the Egyptians and the Romans even though God did not approve of them. I'm not suggesting that God approved of Russell but God could have allowed Russell's work to 'wake up' some of the True Anointed ones. 
     
     
    So then, this would seem to prove that the Anointed are gathered in the JW org. Hence that Org has served some purpose for God. I'm not suggesting that God approves of the Watchtower / JW org, but that God can make use of them. How else have the Anointed all gathered in that one place ? And why has God allowed the Anointed to gather there ? Those ones are the Body of Christ. Christ has been given all authority. Is Christ allowing his Brothers to be there ? And why ?  Has the Watchtower / JW Org served the purpose of 'waking up' more of the True Anointed ones ? 
    If you have read any of my previous writings here, you may know that I think the JW org will be 'taken over' by the True Anointed' when the GB are removed. Otherwise the Anointed will have to 'get out of her' and then form some other kind of Association. My feelings are that the True Anointed could run an Association from different parts of the earth. They need not all be in one country. Internet etc, communication is easy. And with Holy Spirit directing it through Christ 'all things are possible'. 
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