Patiently waiting for Truth

Unfortunately, it would not shake up one's faith, especially in regards to my history whereas half of my family come from an area whereas in said area manifestations and influences are a thing. In some of these manifestations, there has been sightings of various odd looking creatures, even grey and green ones an example would be the greyish demonic figure standing over an infant child in the middle of the night looking at the ceiling, only discovered via smart camera in one's house. In addition, more and more of this is predominant in the realm of those who are practitioners of Black Magic otherwise known as Voodou.
There has been some events to which even the air force was shocked, which sparks the question about shifting focus from space to the deep oceans. Then you have the situation with the African Children a while back that sent them into a mental induced ride of their life.
 
That being said, in the past, people use to replica various nefarious things with the dead, but despite this, it has never shaken one's faith. Even present day with manifestations, black magic, deception and all the things that can break a man.

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron." 1 Tim 4:1,2
"seared with a hot iron" -"to render unsensitive"
CHARLATON - "a person who pretends to have skills or knowledge that they do not have"  Cambridge Dictionary
Under "Related words and phrases" - a wolf in sheep's clothing.
"I know that after I leave, savage ("burdensome, imposing, impressive") wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. "  Acts 20:29,30
 
 
 
 

PENITENCE, REPENTANCE, CONTRITION, COMPUNCTION, REMORSE mean regret for sin or wrongdoing. PENITENCE implies sad and humble realization of and regret for one's misdeeds.  absolution is dependent upon sincere penitence  REPENTANCE adds the implication of a resolve to change.  repentance accompanied by a complete change of character  CONTRITION stresses the sorrowful regret that constitutes true penitence.  tearful expressions of contrition  COMPUNCTION implies a painful sting of conscience especially for contemplated wrongdoing.  had no compunctions about taking back what is mine  REMORSE suggests prolonged and insistent self-reproach and mental anguish for past wrongs and especially for those whose consequences cannot be remedied.  thieves untroubled by feelings of remorse 
Feeling or showing regret for something said or done is a prerequisite for reconciliation with those to whom we have erred. Are they in remorse too? Do they show penitence and contrition? etc.
It is not possible to know how any of those who contributed to the misconceptions in the JW organization felt about it. Some who have been involved in past misconceptions have been involved in change, but I don’t think most of them have, but some new people have done so when they came to positions of power.
What about the current creators of delusions? Some of them believe in their delusions because they feel they have offered something better than their predecessors. Or they have to adapt their new delusions to existing concepts with some modifications for several reasons.
Yet, no text in WTJWorg publications, known to me, contains any of the previously described characteristics of someone who is aware of his (individual or collective GB) error. It simply all comes down to a so called “human error” that can happen to anyone. But in most cases (throwing blame and responsibility) it refers to ordinary members who have "misunderstood" something or many things in publications.
The founders of doctrines and interpretations themselves have always found a way to explain their "error" by a lack of sufficient "light" and "knowledge", because then, when they wrote about a topic, there was no "God-given time" to know "real truth". But now, in this very moment when they "clarified" things, it is "true and proper knowledge" that have to be accepted, because it is from God ..... again    
 

Your question reminds me of the pharisees. They came to him and asked him if a women had had 7 husbands which one will she belong to in the resurrection. 
 

JW Core Beliefs .... As Applied
I carefully read Anna's list of JW core beliefs, and responded "Amen", although about some I have been thinking about all the extenuating circumstances that might affect the absoluteness of some of them.
For Example, in U.S. Law there are many things that are felonies, but State Supreme Courts have ruled that although these felonies are lawfully prosecuted, the individual specifics make them AS APPLIED to certain cases make the application of those laws un-Constitutional, either by State, or Federal Constitutions.
In other words, the specific circumstances of the crime determines whether or not those laws can be applied against a specific person, in a specific set of circumstances.
...... Lets suppose a family of five, where all the family members are Jehovah's Witnesses, and the mother has tired of taking care of her three young children, puts them in a car, and deliberately drives that car into a lake, and drowns them. 
It's first-degree premeditated murder.
She is convicted in a court of law, and is sentenced to three life sentences with no possibility of parole.
QUESTION # 1 :     Is the husband, whose three children were murdered by his wife, expected to live his life alone, and never re-marry?
QUESTION #2:      If he does, say after a dozen years, remarry, will he be disfellowshipped?
 
 

repetition for emphasis. Even when giving me an upvote you still need to have a dig at me  
I do believe that it is 'put across as' (in talks ect) that Russell was the one who began the religion which became the JW religion. But WE know that is not the fact of it. 
It wasn't even a transition it seems. It was a rip off. Whatever may be written in the Proclaimers book or other JW writings proves nothing at all. We know how well the GB and previous leaders tell lies to cover their own tracks and the tracks of the Org. 
The point being that Russell was not a JW and it seems he would not have started an Organisation like it. So it seems strange that the Org 'needs' to cling onto a Man that was 'no part of their world'. 
I know this was tongue in cheek but I've actually known that to happen. JWs are warned not to give their own opinion but always to 'go by the book', and I don't mean the Bible, I mean the GB's books. 

I never thought I would do it. I gave PSomH an upvote (for setting up a question to JWI.)
True, he thinks he is tearing the cover off the ball with his expose on the rough transition from Russell to Rutherford. He does not know that Witnesses are well aware of this, that it is plainly discussed in the Proclaimers book, for example.
Still, @JW Insiderhas a feel for this time period, and it will be interesting to see what he has to say and if he deviates from the party line in even the tiniest degree, necessitating that I report him to Bethel.

Yes I like it, because you tend to give scriptural and/or practical reasoning to prove your point. I also find it funny because you seem to apologize for proving them wrong. 
 
These two points go together. The CSA / Pedophile problem has been proven to exist in the JW Org and has not been dealt with in an honest and loving way. Victims are seen as collateral damage unless the GB can use them to their advantage. Big private pay offs to keep them quiet. And although rules may have been re-written the hearts of Elders haven't changed. I still find news articles about the CSA but I have made the point very clear in the past, so those that are JWs that wish to remain blind, and wish to remain in an immoral Org, will do so. The virus seemed to 'shut down' court proceedings in the USA around February 2020, and the massive court procedure in Canada didn't happen, one wonders why, but money talks of course. Unfortunately the UK is blocked from receiving many news articles from the States. 
Comparing the GB or the Org to Jesus. The point Jesus made was that those people must turn around and repent, and then serve God by following Jesus' examples. Whereas the GB / Watchtower Leaders made allowances for Pedophiles to be kept hidden in the JW Org for half a century. The apostle Paul brought things out into the open about sinners in the congregations, the GB kept it all hidden. 
Yes I obviously was. Because I was taught not to question. I was taught another lie, the lie that the Watchtower Leaders were directed by Holy Spirit from God. 
Are you so blind ? What you are saying is that you will continue to follow the words of Men even though you know they are not inspired of God's holy spirit.
You quoted this then you still trust the WTS, who are only 'men', even though they prove time and time again to be producing false teachings, telling lies. 
BUT your GB say that THEY are the F&DS, AND THEY say that GOD and CHRIST TRUST THEM. 
How many more lies do you need ?  They condemn themselves. 
Please give examples......  If they denied Christ it was because Christ wanted them to. It was deliberate as a means of safety for the disciples. Otherwise they would have been put to death with Him and no more preaching would have been done, and no Greek scripture would have been written. 

This is just a cheap sexist comment, from Tom, as per usual, from a non spiritual man. But Tom and other JWs chose to blind themselves from the TRUTH. 
@JW Insider for instance. Although I think he is very balanced in his thoughts and comments, still chooses to reside in the den of immorality and lies. 
But Tom, he is looking to make money from it, so he not only resides there but loves doing so. 
@Arauna unfortunately takes the very serious line of accusing all ex JWs of hate. A totally un-Christian and unrealistic viewpoint but I fear it is because of her blindness to TRUTH and her dedication to her GB. 
I would have thought that disobeying the words of Jesus Christ and by choosing to be baptised into an Organisation would be apostasy in itself. So all JWs, especially those in positions of authority are apostate. 
But, @Witness I like that you do keep giving the warning to 'get out of her' because by doing so you are proving faithful to God through Christ. 
The facts are Mr Tom, that the Anointed are of both sexes, men and ladies, whilst in human form. And, the fact is that the GB DID make a point of saying that the Anointed 'would not want to meet together for prayer or Bible study' and that the Anointed 'would be working against the Holy spirit' if they did meet together.
I would suggest that the GB committed apostasy by thus saying such things, and it would seem scripture proves my point. 
Matthew 18 : 19, 20 
Berean Study Bible
"Again, I tell you truly that if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.”
or if you prefer the New World Translation. 
19  Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. 20  For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
As you know I believe scripture is mainly for the True Anointed, although we can all learn some basics from it. Hence I'm surprised you dislike scripture Tom.  

Well then why would Jesus have known it was going to happen ? It was preplanned. 
Matthew 26.     Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial
31 Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written:
“‘I will strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’[c]
32 But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”
33 Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will.”
34 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.”
All pre-planned Tom. Jesus was protecting his closest followers. 

I think you are having a laugh. But I'm more concerned as to why it is so important to you. Russell wasn't a JW and had nothing to do with the forming of the JW religion. He said that an organised religion was not necessary.  Rutherford it seems, went in opposition to Russell, as it seems Russell didn't want Rutherford to take over. 
If the Bible Students Association are being truthful then they are the true followers of Russell's works, not JWs.
Brother Russell Founded the Bible Students, not Jehovah’s Witnesses
https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2011/09/01/bible-students-are-not-jehovahs-witnesses/
This early Bible Student history book is written by Bro. Ken Rawson, a Bible Student elder who knew more Bible Students from Pastor Russell’s and JF Rutherford’s time than any other Bible Student elder alive today.
After the death of Pastor Russell in 1916, the purpose of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society changed drastically. Joseph Rutherford, whom Pastor Russell had recently dismissed from his staff, seized legal control of the Watch Tower, dismissed the majority of the Board of Directors, and established dictatorial authority. The Watch Tower became the central head and authority over all congregations willing to yield their sovereignty. Basic doctrines of the “new society” seriously digressed from the teachings of Pastor Russell as the writings of Pastor Russell were discarded. The methods of conducting the evangelistic work were altered. The more sensational digressions, such as refusing blood transfusion and saluting the flag, caught the public’s eye.  But many individuals and whole congregations refused to surrender their Christian liberty or accept the new teachings. As early as 1917, the exodus from the newly declared sovereign headquarters began. By 1918 one-fourth of the Bible Students left Judge Rutherford and remained true to the teachings of the late Pastor Russell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Student_movement
Thousands of members left congregations of Bible Students associated with the Watch Tower Society throughout the 1920s prompted in part by Rutherford's failed predictions for the year 1925, increasing disillusionment with his on-going doctrinal and organizational changes, and his campaign for centralized control of the movement.[2] William Schnell, author and former Jehovah's Witness, claims that three quarters of the original Bible Students who had been associating with the Watch Tower Society in 1919 had left by 1931.[4][3][a] In 1930 Rutherford stated that "the total number of those who have withdrawn from the Society... is comparatively large."[5]
 

I think you are having a laugh. But I'm more concerned as to why it is so important to you. Russell wasn't a JW and had nothing to do with the forming of the JW religion. He said that an organised religion was not necessary.  Rutherford it seems, went in opposition to Russell, as it seems Russell didn't want Rutherford to take over. 
If the Bible Students Association are being truthful then they are the true followers of Russell's works, not JWs.
Brother Russell Founded the Bible Students, not Jehovah’s Witnesses
https://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2011/09/01/bible-students-are-not-jehovahs-witnesses/
This early Bible Student history book is written by Bro. Ken Rawson, a Bible Student elder who knew more Bible Students from Pastor Russell’s and JF Rutherford’s time than any other Bible Student elder alive today.
After the death of Pastor Russell in 1916, the purpose of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society changed drastically. Joseph Rutherford, whom Pastor Russell had recently dismissed from his staff, seized legal control of the Watch Tower, dismissed the majority of the Board of Directors, and established dictatorial authority. The Watch Tower became the central head and authority over all congregations willing to yield their sovereignty. Basic doctrines of the “new society” seriously digressed from the teachings of Pastor Russell as the writings of Pastor Russell were discarded. The methods of conducting the evangelistic work were altered. The more sensational digressions, such as refusing blood transfusion and saluting the flag, caught the public’s eye.  But many individuals and whole congregations refused to surrender their Christian liberty or accept the new teachings. As early as 1917, the exodus from the newly declared sovereign headquarters began. By 1918 one-fourth of the Bible Students left Judge Rutherford and remained true to the teachings of the late Pastor Russell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Student_movement
Thousands of members left congregations of Bible Students associated with the Watch Tower Society throughout the 1920s prompted in part by Rutherford's failed predictions for the year 1925, increasing disillusionment with his on-going doctrinal and organizational changes, and his campaign for centralized control of the movement.[2] William Schnell, author and former Jehovah's Witness, claims that three quarters of the original Bible Students who had been associating with the Watch Tower Society in 1919 had left by 1931.[4][3][a] In 1930 Rutherford stated that "the total number of those who have withdrawn from the Society... is comparatively large."[5]
 

Well then why would Jesus have known it was going to happen ? It was preplanned. 
Matthew 26.     Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial
31 Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written:
“‘I will strike the shepherd,
    and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’[c]
32 But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.”
33 Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will.”
34 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.”
All pre-planned Tom. Jesus was protecting his closest followers. 

One must not argue with a dodo.

If we repeat a lie that we were taught, we also are lying – we are a liar.  Many who left the organization have apologized to their past Bible students for teaching them a lie.  Many are repentant for the lying doctrines they once taught.  The GB may change doctrines that appear as loving adjustments, but are they repentant for telling a previous lie?  Consider the message of 1975, and the encouragement given to the flock for anticipating its arrival.  Once this date had passed, who was to blame for placing their hope in a date contrived by the leadership?  Was dumping the blame on the flock an act of love?  The leaders are well aware of what the scriptures say about setting dates and timetables, but they arrogantly pushed ahead and followed the desires of their hearts.
I recall the song, "make the truth your own".  When a JW is admonished to accept a doctrine as truth, and to teach that doctrine which later is revealed to be a lie, it was a deliberate action by the JW to make that supposed "truth" their own. The "loved" the lie.  (2 Thess 2:9-12)   The lies spoken by the leaders, are through deception, yet those whom they teach still repeat and speak the lie.  (Prov 12:22)  Someone can believe the world is flat and teach it as truth.  They may convince themselves that are right and anyone who believes the world is round, is the liar.  A scientist can provide all the evidence to show them up as a liar, but their heart is set on the lie.  We have God's Word to guide us on how not to lie, not to teach falsehoods. After 100+ years, the organization's leaders, have yet to learn this; whereas the apostles learned it immediately.

"Everyone has to be on guard against his friend.
Don’t trust any brother,
for every brother will certainly deceive,
and every friend spread slander.
5 Each one betrays his friend;
no one tells the truth.
They have taught their tongues to speak lies;
they wear themselves out doing wrong.
6 You live in a world of deception.
In their deception they refuse to know me.
This is the Lord’s declaration."  Jer 9:4-6
"A good person produces good out of the good stored up in his heart. An evil person produces evil out of the evil stored up in his heart, for his mouth speaks from the overflow of the heart."  Luke 6:45
 
 

This is just a cheap sexist comment, from Tom, as per usual, from a non spiritual man. But Tom and other JWs chose to blind themselves from the TRUTH. 
@JW Insider for instance. Although I think he is very balanced in his thoughts and comments, still chooses to reside in the den of immorality and lies. 
But Tom, he is looking to make money from it, so he not only resides there but loves doing so. 
@Arauna unfortunately takes the very serious line of accusing all ex JWs of hate. A totally un-Christian and unrealistic viewpoint but I fear it is because of her blindness to TRUTH and her dedication to her GB. 
I would have thought that disobeying the words of Jesus Christ and by choosing to be baptised into an Organisation would be apostasy in itself. So all JWs, especially those in positions of authority are apostate. 
But, @Witness I like that you do keep giving the warning to 'get out of her' because by doing so you are proving faithful to God through Christ. 
The facts are Mr Tom, that the Anointed are of both sexes, men and ladies, whilst in human form. And, the fact is that the GB DID make a point of saying that the Anointed 'would not want to meet together for prayer or Bible study' and that the Anointed 'would be working against the Holy spirit' if they did meet together.
I would suggest that the GB committed apostasy by thus saying such things, and it would seem scripture proves my point. 
Matthew 18 : 19, 20 
Berean Study Bible
"Again, I tell you truly that if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.”
or if you prefer the New World Translation. 
19  Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. 20  For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
As you know I believe scripture is mainly for the True Anointed, although we can all learn some basics from it. Hence I'm surprised you dislike scripture Tom.  

Really Tom, I don’t care how many cheap shots you take at me.  This is about the members of God’s Temple. (1 Pet 2:5,9;1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  It is about Jesus Christ., their Head.  You do know that the anointed priests/Body of Christ, belong to Christ, right?  Does any man have the authority to tell them not to “challenge” their position to “represent the royal priesthood”? Does any man have the authority to tell members of Christ’s Body that they cannot meet together and study the word of God?   (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 2 Cor 11:20)  No. The letter explains why this is against God’s decrees. Ezek 44:6-9
Don’t you see, that anyone who attempts to manipulate your spirituality by preventing you to meet with whom you care to, is power hungry and scared of losing that power?  You reside where a wicked slave and "her" (Rev 17:3-6) henchmen/elder body have “trampled” down God’s Temple.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,2,5-7;11,12)  You reside with the “man of lawlessness” “standing where it does not belong”.  (Mark 13:5,6,14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,18)
If you cared to learn about Zion, if you cared to understand how the Kingdom of God will come and what role the priesthood has in it; what the spiritual Temple will provide for mankind, you would read the scriptures.  But, this is your convention time, and videos of your Harlots offering you smooth words are most likely pleasantly relaxing - I should say, mind-numbing as you share in the Harlot's cup. (Prov 5:3-6; Rev 8:10,11; 17:2)   Studying God's word takes work. 
 I wish you would wake up.  
 
 

The Cain-type I recognize quickly.

Yes indeed. and we see it more so in the JW Org. The GB that has gone beyond their position and want more than they deserve. THAT GB call THEMSELVES the Faithful and Discreet Slave, showing complete rebelliousness. 
The GB then tells the Anointed ones not to meet together for prayer or bible study. THE GB tells the Anointed that the Anointed ' would be working against the Holy Spirit'.  So it shows the GB are putting themselves  in the place of God and Christ, by deciding just how the Holy Spirit will work. 
Then the GB, those Leaders of the Watchtower / Org, put the Elders above the rest of the Anointed ones. 
Yes your GB do indeed beat their fellow slaves publicly. 

But where are these True Anointed ones ? And when will they 'stand up' ?  And why are they in the CCJW / JW Org ?
Could the True Anointed remnant be elsewhere ?  Could they come out of some other 'religion' ?
Indeed they will be that spiritual JEW that 'ten men' will cling to. But when ?  
If we are anywhere near 'the time of the end' of this wicked world, then I would imagine, God through Christ, would allow a little time for 'lost sheep' to be found. The scriptures tell us that God wants no one to be destroyed, so it would be very helpful if the True Anointed were to be made known asap. 
Jesus did say that "the good news of the Kingdom" must be preached earthwide before the 'end comes'. But that 'good news' has to be truthful 'good news'. So, how will all this 'move forward' ? 
The spiritual JEW. The True Anointed.  Will they build a 'new religion' ? Not with physical buildings maybe, but with some form of organised teaching.  Jesus did teach his disciples to be organised even without an 'Organisation' as such. 
As someone else would say, 'I'm just thinking aloud here'.   Hence it's not well worded.... 

And you would know about hate 

I have never heard anyone else on this forum use the word "hate" as much as you do.  Did Jesus hate his people when he exposed their sins?  No, the hate came from those who didn't listen to him.
 

This isn't about Russia.  It is about your leadership who dominate the priesthood - the GB who "direct" the elder body to "represent the royal priesthood".  Before you spout off in ignorance, READ THE LETTER.

No but it takes a lot of hate to write so many letters. 

When I read your comments Tom I can understand why it is a waste of time and effort talking to people such as you.
The scripture is right. "Do not cast your pearls before swine". 
It's not so much that @Witness is right all the time, but you certainly act like a childish swine in reply.
As for women prophesying   Acts 2 : 17
Berean Study Bible
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
But you don't seem to believe what God says do you Tom ? You seem to rely on the words of your GB