Patiently waiting for Truth

I think I can explain what happened. Michael Krewson started the topic about a Mexican Cave. Judging by the other topics he has started, I think he couldn't care less about JWs and C.T.Russell. So when you changed the subject to C.T.Russell an owner or admin of this forum thought they would keep things in order by removing this religious topic over to the JW Open Club.
I suspect that the original owners of this forum wanted it to be a place where anyone could come by and discuss any newsworthy topic, but the most active contributors (mostly a half-dozen pro-JWs and another half-dozen ex-JWs, apparently) appear to have turned it into a place that has so many JW references, it tends to chase off all the potential contributors who want to talk about science, bitcoin, finance, natural history, popular culture, etc. JW-related comments continually seep into non-religious topics.
The least an admin can do is to push off-topic posts into a new topic area. This means that an admin will have to make up a title for the new topic. I'm sure admins have pretty much given up by now in trying so hard to keep order here.
I should add that I haven't seen you (PWfT) making this mistake much any more. Maybe that's because there are so few topics started outside of JW-related forums.

Pestilences... part of the Composite Sign of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory.

After Jesus Christ summoned his 12 disciples and giving them authority to cure every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity, he revealed to them, "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

As distressing as pestilences are, they are part of the Composite Sign of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory. (Luke 21:10-11) Pestilences were often used in the past to execute divine judgment but also salvation to those who know Jehovah God and obey the good news of Jesus Christ today. "This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you." (2 Thessalonians 1:6)

This is Good News for the obedient and the faithful in rejoicing, for Jesus adds the words: “But as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near.” (Luke 21:28) As pestilence becomes a common place in this last hour of this system of things, Jehovah Witnesses are fully cooperating with health officials in all nations in an effort to contain the spread of the coronavirus. This virus is severely contagious which will affect how we conduct Bible Studies, the preaching work, and even Baptizing New Christian Believers. Such adjustments are welcomed and we look forward to a Bright Future as this gloomy system of things come to its end. But the end is not what you think.

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1 John 5 :199
Berean Study Bible
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
NWT
19  We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
This seems to confirm that the Devil has that authority. And that is why true Christians are, as you say, 'no part of this world'. Unfortunately the Watchtower / CCJW / JW Org ARE part of that wicked world and they prove it regularly. 
The Org are very materialistic and 'physical' in their thinking and actions. Large building complexes, the writing of many books, asking for donations, falsely predicting 'the time of the end', and deep involvement in Child Sexual Abuse, prove that they are indeed 'part of this world'. So who has authority over them ?  
 
 

So my question is, Who in their right mind gave the devil "all the Kingdoms of the world?" Who would even have the authority to give "all the Kingdoms of the world" to the devil? Who thought this through and came up with this grand plan to give "all the Kingdoms of the world to the devil? Who's Infinite Wisdom was behind this decision of giving the devil "all the Kingdoms of the world? Were there some form of conditions that must be followed when having all their authority and splendor?
I don't know about you, but for me, this authority that is presented in the realm of Christianity regarding the devil claiming to have this authority, seems to be a misplaced authority at best. Might the devil be lying about having this authority over "all the Kingdoms of the world?" I've never read anywhere or heard anyone in a leadership position within Jehovah's organization present this story as though the devil was lying or that the devil having this authority over "all the Kingdoms of the world," not be the case.
hmmmmm, what if....
What if this refusal of Jesus to worship the devil, was in fact an act ( possibly even a revolutionary act ) of refusing to acknowledge the devil's authority over "all the kingdoms of the world," Jesus showing his followers how to walk in his footsteps, ( hence "footstep followers." ) and we too can refuse to acknowledge the devil's authority over "all the Kingdoms of the world," and act in the same manner? Okay, that makes more sense. Jesus did say that he was no part of the world when he was here on earth right? Right.
But if Jehovah is the one who granted this authority to the devil over "all the Kingdoms of the earth," ( as senseless as that may appear ) would not Jehovah want those who reside within all of the Kingdoms of the world to worship the one whom he has given this authority to?
But then again if this authority was given to the devil by Jehovah, then I probably have no business questioning it, now do I?
 

Wasn't this one of the things made 'illegal' in the Law given to Moses (yes I know that's badly worded)

I was actually thinking on that when the article said 'it paid' the West Mifflin Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.  Then it said "the congregation received $503,840 for the property"
My thoughts were that the congregation probably 'received' nothing, but the Watchtower Soc' / GB received that money. Well it will help to pay for the 'new film studio' at Ramapo I suppose. 
 

https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/turnpike-commission-pays-503000-jehovahs-witnesses-congregation-monfayette-expressway/KSN2OCSAERBPDN7MKDOB6R2JYE/
e 20, 2021 at 6:07 pm EDT
By WPXI.com News Staff PITTSBURGH — The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission approved paying the West Mifflin Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses more than $500,000 for their property to make way for the Mon/Fayette Expressway. According to the commission’s agenda from the most recent meeting, the congregation received $503,840 for the property along Camp Hollow Road in West Mifflin. The land will be used as part of the new highway project that aims to connect I-68 near Morgantown, West Virginia and the Parkway East. The West Mifflin property will be used to construct a new portion of Rt. 43 from Rt. 51 in Jefferson Hills to Rt. 837 in Duquesne. PennDOT officials said construction is expected to start next year. The entire section of highway south of the Monongahela River is expected to cost around $900 million to build. Officials said the highway will offer an alternative route that allows drivers to avoid the Squirrel Hill Tunnel and Fort Pitt Tunnel once completed.
Here in the UK the government sometimes does 'compulsory purchase' orders so that a person has to sell their property. I wonder, does that happen in America ?
 
 

Life would have been a bit strange if always called my father Bernie instead of dad/father.

God's Sacred and Holy Name...


Beautiful isn't it? How do you react when seeing God's Sacred and Holy Name? Are you overcome with a wondrous and overwhelming awe? If you were to enter into a Personal Relationship with someone whom you deemed special or important, what is the first thing you would want to know about that Person? What is Your Name?

"The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous one runs and receives protection." (Proverbs 18:10) "At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name." (Malachi 3:16)

"Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14) "I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses, declares Jehovah, and I am God." (Isaiah 43:12)

"During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear." (Hebrews 5:7)

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I was actually thinking on that when the article said 'it paid' the West Mifflin Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses.  Then it said "the congregation received $503,840 for the property"
My thoughts were that the congregation probably 'received' nothing, but the Watchtower Soc' / GB received that money. Well it will help to pay for the 'new film studio' at Ramapo I suppose. 
 

In the USA we have what is called "The Right of Imminent Domain", which means as an example, the GOV can confiscate your property for the "greater good", but it has to be fair and equitable. This is a matter of negotiation, and sometimes a court battle.
... like the just and fair compensation the WTB&TS got from the State of Pennsylvania.
After the WTB&TS confiscated all the Kingdom Halls in the World (for the "Greater Good"), I wonder if the congregations were justly and fairly compensated?
 

It is my understanding, that from all the descriptions, straight from the Bible, that WHATEVER "Gog of Magog" is prophetically ... it has not happened yet.
I have a great deal of real, solid, palpable peace since I stopped believing ANYBODY knows the answers, as it seems clear they are trying to upset me, and consolidate their authority by trying to scare everybody, pretending to have exclusive answers .... which so far ... have been wrong 100% of the time.
.... typically, that pays very, very well.
When the events happen in reality as they are described in the Bible ... THEN ....  I will look back and see who was right, if any,  and only THEN will I become concerned more than just considering :Gog of Magog" a persistent catchy boogeyman "Buzz Word Phrase".
I could not do anything about it before.
I can't do anything about it in the present.
I won't be able to do anything about it in the future.
If I  was the Planet's foremost expert on "Gog of Magog" it would change nothing.
If I was totally unaware of even the phrase "Gog of Magog" it would change nothing.
I have more than enough REAL things that I MIGHT be able to do something about to occupy my thoughts.
.... and anyway, I strongly suspect that long before then, I will be .... safely .... dead.
.... and I strongly suspect You will be too.
 
 

I think there are several models around that in Croatia. Sometimes the matter is resolved in court because the private owner is not satisfied with the small offer for redemption. And, sometimes the state can expropriate property from the owner because of a higher interest for the state and the public.

My concerns are a lot simpler than yours ...
Since there is absolutely NOTHING I can do about it ... whether I had full "secret" insight and knowledge of everything concerning Gog of Magog, or was absolutely ignorant, and had never even heard the term .... I can quite safely and without any concern whatsoever, completely disregard it.
It makes for good mental health, a peaceful countenance and a tail wag or two.,
I think I will just geta big old bone out of the refrigerator and gnaw on it for awhile.
.... if I can figure out how to open the door.

The Jewish religious leaders had the Hebrew scriptures but did not have the help of God's holy spirit to understand the things they were reading.
The men that became the 12 disciples would have known the Hebrew scriptures because they were Jews, but how much attention those men would have given to the reasoning on the scriptures is unknown. So it would seem that although those scriptures were 'available', they were not fully understood.
It is also very interesting that, even though 11 of the 12 remained loyal to Jesus, Jesus did not open up the scriptures to them during his ministry. So it must have been a deliberate action by Jesus to keep some things 'hidden' from the disciples.  John 16 : 12 
Berean Literal Bible   "Yet I have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now."
It was only after Jesus was resurrected that He fully opened up the Hebrew scriptures to His disciples. And of course Judas was no longer one of them.
Luke 24  
13  But look! on that very day, two of them were traveling to a village named Em·maʹus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, (these 2 were not of the 11).
 Berean Study Bible 
32, They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us as He spoke with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
Luke 24 :
33  And they got up in that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and they found the Eleven and those assembled together with them (NWT)
36  While they were speaking of these things, he himself stood in their midst and said to them: “May you have peace.” (NWT)
44  He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.” (NWT)
45 New International Version
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
So at that point it would seem that all those disciples would have had their minds opened and could fully understand the Hebrew scriptures. 
Looking onward at Acts 1 : 8 "But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”
Acts 2 "Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they were all together at the same place. 2  Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3  And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them, 4  and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak."
An interesting point at Acts 2 : 32 & 33
32  God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses. 33  Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.  (NWT)
Berean Literal Bible
33. Therefore having been exalted at the right hand of God, and having received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, He has poured out this which you are both seeing and hearing.
So is this saying that it is Jesus that 'pours out Holy Spirit' now, not God ? 
Now up to this point I've only mentioned the Hebrew scriptures, because that was all that they had. And also I've only covered the point that these were true Christian followers of Christ. We now move forward nearly 2,000 years.
We now have the Greek scriptures, which were written by some of those true followers of Christ, and written under inspiration of holy spirit. But we neither have those true Christian followers, nor do we have an opening up of the true meaning of those Greek scriptures.
As in the days of those Jewish religious leaders of the 1st century, who had the Hebrew scriptures but could not understand the full meaning and importance of them. We now have the full Hebrew and Greek scriptures available but do not understand the full meaning and importance of them. 
So as it was in 33 C. E. when Jesus opened up the Hebrew scriptures to His true followers, so it is necessary for Jesus to open up the full meaning of the scriptures now. But questions need answering. Were those Jewish religious leaders really trying to understand scripture or were they just misusing scripture for their own gain ? And again, is any religion today, trying to understand scripture or are all religions just misusing scripture for their own gain ?
Jesus drew people out from that Jewish religion and traditions of men. But that Jewish religion had been God's chosen way up until that time. 
Is there any religion now that may have been God's chosen way, and is Jesus going to draw people out from it ? 
Jesus fully opened up the scriptures to only a few chosen ones. Is Jesus once again going to open up the full scriptures to a few chosen ones ?
It obviously hasn't happened yet. All religions are groping around in the dark. In the first century Jesus seemed to leave it until the last 'minute' to open up those scriptures, so will Jesus once again leave it until the 'last minute' before giving full understanding to His true followers ? 
Hence I am, Patiently waiting for Truth. I think that is better than trying to rush ahead of God or Christ. 
Jesus has 'all authority' and HE will open up the scriptures at His chosen time. 

I realize ANYbody's ideas are speculation, as none of us have Polaroids .... so I appreciate the feedback, anyway.
My considerations take into account the hard, hard evidence that human civilization is in various areas verifiabily 100,000 years and more old.
 

2060.
possibly as early as 2036.

I'll also say this, since the conception of Jehovah's Witnesses and throughout the years that followed, the seeds and spiritual forces of sAtan have been free to infiltrate all organizations from the Ark and Canaan, to Christ's 12 closest followers. It' stands to reason that since sAtan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light, that the sAtanic illuminati, being ball EnlighteneD and shit, would have worked into their plan to discredit GOD, Trojan horse Jehovah's Witness board members to peddle many theories that the Enlightened ones knew to be untrue because of the sheer pace of technology and the scripture in Genesis, so that these same sAtanic Illuminati spin doctors could then use these books of inaccurate prophecies that they themself pushed into these books and group discussions, to use in 2021 to further doom the lost ones seeking guidance.  Makes me believe the spirits that posses you and reincarnate intonations the 13 bloodlines, were present at the crucifixion of christ screaming. "Free Barnabas" Crucify Jesus" but that's just my FuckIng OpinIon...  A LowLy sinner on the west coast of California, who was born on the 20th of October 1962, day Seven or so of the 13 days the world Wass in Defcon 4 because of the cuban missile crises. And with my umbilical cord wrapped tightly around my neck three times, maybe I myself was dead on arrival.

Well, I'm telling you, Awake, awake! Rise up, Jerusalem, you who have drunk from the hand of the LORD the cup of his wrath, you who have drained to its dregs the goblet of nEphilim, your forefathers also mocked Noah and Christ himself, your hero wore armor and pierced kings, your words echo what was mocked through the ages as you tagged as unreliable sinners those drunk like Noah in his tent, or those breaking roman law, like a common carpenter who without earthly rank and merit entered into the jewish temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there, and vandalized and overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, and screamed out like a disorderly criminal   "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'" You're likely a descendant of those who were proud of Canaan, who saw his father Noah's  nakedness and then gleefully told his two brothers outside how flawed their father was preaching to the world sober and clothed, then in private falling over drunk and naked..… The words of Isaiah aptly apply.."And now what do I have here?" declares the LORD. "For my people have been taken away for nothing, and those (nEphilim) who rule them mock," declares the LORD. "And all day long my name is constantly blasphemed.Therefore My people will know My name; therefore they will know on that day that I am He who speaks. Here I am!”
LOL, BTW,  I, Robert Nicholas Walsh, AKA, ETERNALBLACKPROJECT,  alone and on my own am telling you this date of 2034, I am NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I have come up with this connective truth alone and have never heard or seen any evidence that JW. org or the organization itself follows my understanding of the generation of 1914, and the connection to the year 2034.
I am the one who created that video and who says that the prophecy of the generation of 1914 doesn't truly pass away until 2034. So, blah, blah, blah, LZentaylor71...  I prophesy this date, mock me prematurely as the unreliable prophet, not Jehovah's Witnesses, for if they do not possess the truth, then the world itself has no truth.
 Isn't it better for you to stay silent on the matter and just do your best to survive the coming great tribulations and destruction of the enemies of GOD.  All faiths, even those in the synagogs of sAtan understand it is inevitable that GOD will have one organized faith and one doomed class mocking him and his people.

Then in a vision of the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel; then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel said:
“Let his name, the name of God, be blessed throughout the ages,
    for the wisdom and the power are his.
21 And he changes the times and the seasons,
    and he deposes kings and he sets up kings;
he gives wisdom to wise men
    and knowledge to men who know understanding.
22 He reveals the deep and the hidden things;
    he knows what is in the darkness,
    and the light dwells with him."  Dan chapter 2
I already have. 

 

Many generations later, once the ravages of sin had thoroughly worked themselves into the chromosomes, yes.

Jehovah's Day is Spiritual.  


Jehovah's Day is a 'timed event' that will soon bring an end to all wickedness. (Matthew 24:14) The fulfillment of this prophecy was unknown to the angels and even Jesus Christ himself was not privy to the timing of this Great Day. (Matthew 24:36)

Jehovah's Day is well prophesied in the Bible throughout the scriptures. It is linked to the Conclusion of Satan's Wicked and Violent World during the Last Days. Jehovah's Day is a transition period that brings an End to the Last Days and ushers in Christ's Millennial Reign as Christ's Political Enemies are brought to nothing under his feet.

Can we expect Jehovah's Day to begin after the sealing process ends? Yes, we can. Matter of fact, the scriptures counsel us to Keep in Expectation of it! We read: “The vision is yet for the appointed time, and it keeps panting on to the end, and it will not tell a lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it; for it will without fail come true. It will not be late.” (Habakkuk 2:3)
What does this tell us? Jehovah's Day will not be late, we may not recognize it at first. After all, the flesh melting off the bones and eyeballs dropping out of the eye sockets is figurative speech as to what happens to someone who has been pitched into Gehenna or the fiery furnace. They die the second death without knowing it, an everlasting death of destruction. Oh... they will become hostile and vindictive, for Jesus states, 'that is where there weeping and gnashing of teeth will be.'

The wicked simply die off, the scriptures go on and tell us, "All the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah’s name has been called upon you, and they will be afraid of you." (Deuteronomy 28:10) We have no need to worry about a date, nor do we need to worry about losing our Kingdom Halls. We worship Jehovah with spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23) Serve Jehovah faithfully to your end and you won't have an end. Keep walking and remember Lot's wife.... Ready or Not, Jehovah's Day is coming...

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Question for you, @BroRando, if you do believe that the anointed are the spiritual Temple built on the Body of Christ, what do you say about your GB member, Gerrit Loesch, insisting that every JW is of the spiritual Temple?  Do you feel it is apparent that he is denying the truth about who comprise the Temple/dwelling place of God?
1 Pet 2:5 -  "you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
[a] - into a temple of the Spirit
Eph 2:19 - Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.  In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 
Perhaps this is why the GB are so excited about Ramapo.    They've got time to finish it and benefit from it.  And is this why Anna said she has heard that it is now the thought that Armageddon may take up to 20 more years before arriving.
I see A. Morris sitting back comfortably, relishing his fleshly desires to build. 

Is it like when I was walking my pet pig, and someone said, “Hey, where’d you get the pig?” and the pig answered, “Oh, i found him at the marketplace?”
Come, come, is not the answer to some of this to be found in long lifetimes and Genesis 5:4?
“And the days of Adam after his fathering Seth came to be eight hundred years. Meanwhile he became father to sons and daughters.”
Frowned upon today, of course, and with good reason. Can you not see the reason why in some of the neighbors up in your neck of the woods? But back in the day of being just one generation from perfection…

That Eph' scripture does not mention 'the congregation'. It is only the Anointed that are part of the Body of Christ, that holy Temple.   The rest of the congregation are but 'little dogs' that feed from the crumbs dropping from the table. 
The GB are in for trouble then. The GB are beating their 'fellow slaves' and telling those Anointed slaves not to meet together. The GB say it would be 'working against God's Holy Spirit for the Anointed to gather together for prayer or bible study. 
I think that many faithful servants of God through Christ now do not believe that 1914 has any true spiritual meaning.
However, I keep coming back to the point where we are told in Scripture that ' on account of the elect / holy ones  'those days will be cut short' 
Matthew 24 :22 
Berean Study Bible
If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
So how short is short ? Will those days be reduced by a month, a year, how much ? 
Juggling numbers means nothing unless the true answers come from God, through Christ, by Holy Spirit.