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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Truthseeker in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    I don't think 'evil' existed in the beginning so Satan didn't actually 'choose evil', he 'created it'.  The same as disobedience didn't exist until Satan was disobedient to God. The problem all humans have is that we use words to explain things, and all of those words can mean different things to different people. It becomes more complicated when words need to be translated from one language to another.  
    Will there not be a final testing at the end of a thousand years of Christ's reign ?  
     
    Oh yes but JWs are also taught to SHUN anyone that leaves the ORG.  Shunning their own children. Turning their teenage children out of the house. And they pretend tis is love. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    I don't think 'evil' existed in the beginning so Satan didn't actually 'choose evil', he 'created it'.  The same as disobedience didn't exist until Satan was disobedient to God. The problem all humans have is that we use words to explain things, and all of those words can mean different things to different people. It becomes more complicated when words need to be translated from one language to another.  
    Will there not be a final testing at the end of a thousand years of Christ's reign ?  
     
    Oh yes but JWs are also taught to SHUN anyone that leaves the ORG.  Shunning their own children. Turning their teenage children out of the house. And they pretend tis is love. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Trial scheduled for Jehovah's Witnesses elders accused of failing to report sexual abuse   
    I have somewhat been following this one. From what I recall, Penkava was a school teacher and wrote a column in his local news paper. Being a school teacher also put him a position of being a mandatory reporter if he comes across any awareness of what may appear to be a form of child abuse. Once this suspicion or awareness is reported to those within the law enforcement, they have been trained handle it from there.
    Penkava and Scott were made aware of what Arturo Hernandez-Pedreza, a JW member had done to his daughter. So if they did an in-house investigation by asking him if he did what the wife and child of this man claim that he had done. ( Which puts them both in great Danger! ) If the elders then receive an admission from him, then in that receiving of that one's admission, that is not considered, nor does it fall under the clergy tenant privilege confession. But the elders are not aware that this the case. But when the elders have received a confession when asked, the Org claims in the Court of law, that this is the setting with which the Org is able to claim "clergy tenant privilege." But its not. "Clergy tenant privilege" is when a person seeks out a spiritual leader (singular) to speak with them regarding a confession that that person, (who is considered the tenant) of a particular religious belief system, or not, would like "a one on one session" with a member of the clergy from their own particular belief system, or sometimes not, if the confessor is not all that particular. These are often deathbed confessions made by those whom are on their death beds.
    When people are at the point of dying with in hospitals, they are often asked by their Dr.'s or the nursing staff if there is any form of clergy that they would like called upon for spiritual help and or support.
    There are a list of numbers for different denominational clergy that have volunteered to be on call for the patients of hospitals so that they can meet the patients and their families clergy needs, including Jehovah's Witness clergy.
    Believe it or not, the clergy that are full time on staff for hospitals here in the U.S. are often quite knowledgeable and equipped in several traditions and practices of several different belief systems. So they can not only be their for those patients within the hospitals who find great comfort in being able to experience the tradition and practices of their belief system, but they can also give the comfort one need from ( the Catholic inspired ) clergy pennant privilege deathbed confessions. 
    I have come to hate the fact that the secular government has their hands tied because they're not supposed to enter into the government of religious organizations and change up the dangerous religious disciplinary practices when it comes to CSA. Something needs to shift soon. 
    When It comes to the point where believers of several different religious hi control authoritative organizations have been led to believe that following the instructions of their spiritual leader's is on par with following god himself, I'm afraid we are just going to see more and more CSA case's where a mother and child who reported the crime that the male head of the household of their family has committed, will be encourage that forgiving him is the godly thing to do. Perpetrators will be continually be sent home to remain living with their victims at the spiritual directions of these elders, whom are the spiritual leader's of the congregation. They will yet again be wrongly informed by those elders who are taking the lead ( as they have unknowingly been directed with really dangerous guidance by the headquarters lawyers Department on so many occasions beforehand ) by the Lawyers at the headquarters of the Watchtower were Victims will continually be made silent with the accusations that they have infact brought these crimes upon themselves as they often find themselves being deemed by those taking the spiritual leed that what happened to them is viewed by these elders as these victims were not victims because the elders declared them as being willing participants to sinful acts in spit of the obvious pain that these victims are experiencing. Parents of these victims are threatened with disfellowshipping if they tell anyone as to what was said during these meetings. The perpetrators are given some spiritual guidance and a few suggestions that amount to, "don't do it again." Then when they are all sent back to the home. The perpetrator is still the head of the house and the mother and daughter still have to do as he instructs them to do. The way things are handled within this so-called Theocratic organization is a crying shame. There is nothing godly within the arrangement of how CSA is handled. Between "we don't take our Brother's to court," ·|· "this will drag Jehovah's name through the mud," ·|· "people can change," ·|· victim-blaming" along with a continual stall so that 95% of these CSA cases never ends up in court.
    Something has to shift. I only hope that the shift of Justice will happen sooner than later. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from ApostaBabe Linda James in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    I just found this on JW Org.
    What Does the Bible Say About Revenge?
    The Bible’s answer
      Even though a person may feel justified in taking revenge, doing so goes against the Bible’s counsel: “Do not say: ‘I will do to him just as he has done to me; I will get even with him.” (Proverbs 24:29, footnote) The Bible contains advice that has helped many overcome a desire for revenge.   What is wrong with seeking revenge?
    If someone offended or harmed you, it is natural to feel angry and to want the other person to be punished for what he or she did. However, taking personal revenge is not in harmony with the Bible’s message. Why?
    When humans seek their own revenge, it displeases God. In the Bible, Jehovah  God says: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” (Romans 12:19) The Bible encourages those who have been wronged to seek peaceful ways to resolve matters when possible instead of pursuing revenge. (Romans 12:18) But what if such peaceful avenues are exhausted or unavailable? The Scriptures admonish us to trust in Jehovah to right all wrongs.—Psalm 42:10, 11.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    I get it that some people dislike reading, and I have no issue with it.
    But usually such ones are modest enough to know that lack impedes their ability to take a lead role in a debate forum.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Conforming non-conformists make a big deal about individuality, actual non-conformists don't.
    "stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." - Romans 12:2
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Nathanial Hawthorne is a writer who wrote some books. It is another example of my LISTENING to MEN.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    That’s right, sometimes we are burdened with internal conflicts.
    That’s right, sometimes we’re hypocritical as we expose other people’s mistakes.
    That's right, sometimes we publicly advocate general / social justice and truth, and yet something inside us tells us that it's not all exactly what it seems.
    And what can be done about it? It can get out of an organization in which people are not really ready to face their own and other people's conflicts about what is true and accurate and what is not. And to stop speculate.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    And you should have seen the control-freak jerks when I tried to give a talk without pants!
    “It is remarkable, that persons who speculate the most boldly often conform with the most perfect quietude to the external regulations of society.” Nathanial Hawthorne 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Wow ! GB inspired conversation going on here.  Hate on people with hair or beards.
    Discriminate between black and white where hair or beards are concerned. 
    Wow. This is really showing the thoughts of pretend Elders and other pretend servants of God. 
    Grow up, get a life, and let ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE COME TO GOD THROUGH CHRIST. 
    Once those people have found God through Chrsit, then THEIR OWN conscience will give them guidance as to how to wear their hair or beard or no beard. 
    One way that the GB / Elders / JWs make a very big mistake is, to give orders to people on how to dress etc.
    A true Christian will know that service to God through Christ comes from 'inside' a person's heart and mind, not from obeying orders from domineering 'overlords'. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Oh I didn't know they mentioned wearing a suit and tie in the scriptures. The Elders really did kick off at me when i used to attend meetings in an open neck shirt and no jacket in the heat of the summer. The summer weather that God himself created for our enjoyment, but by rules of men, people are made to suffer. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Reminds me of something an Elder once told me. He and his wife were hippies before becoming JWs, and he had long hair and his wife wore miniskirts. They were invited to a Memorial and that was how they were when they attended. He said, all the brothers were in suits and ties and all the sisters were in long dresses or long skirts, and he said they just felt terrible. But everyone there welcomed them just as they were.... So yes there is a balance to be met, and as you say diverse backgrounds mean diverse tastes
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Oh I didn't know they mentioned wearing a suit and tie in the scriptures. The Elders really did kick off at me when i used to attend meetings in an open neck shirt and no jacket in the heat of the summer. The summer weather that God himself created for our enjoyment, but by rules of men, people are made to suffer. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Reminds me of something an Elder once told me. He and his wife were hippies before becoming JWs, and he had long hair and his wife wore miniskirts. They were invited to a Memorial and that was how they were when they attended. He said, all the brothers were in suits and ties and all the sisters were in long dresses or long skirts, and he said they just felt terrible. But everyone there welcomed them just as they were.... So yes there is a balance to be met, and as you say diverse backgrounds mean diverse tastes
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    One elder from Bethel and from the former congregation objected that it was wrong for me to go to the podium without socks. Namely, in the summer I would sometimes wear summer shoes, but without socks. It bothered him a lot and he gave me sermons / litanies about it several times. Maybe he did it because he was originally from Germany. So; order, work and discipline. ;))  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Oh I didn't know they mentioned wearing a suit and tie in the scriptures. The Elders really did kick off at me when i used to attend meetings in an open neck shirt and no jacket in the heat of the summer. The summer weather that God himself created for our enjoyment, but by rules of men, people are made to suffer. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    People also come from very diverse backgrounds with tattoos allover, tattoos in their hair and previously had no sense of what is decent or common...... I met a young man on field service with God is dead tattooed on his shaven head in georgia. We had an interesting conversation....
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    They are not ordering anyone on how to dress, they merely remind them of scriptures such as: 1 Tim 2:9 and 1 Pet 3:4
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in What is the point of it all?   
    I have noticed that humans have the greatest actual joy ... I mean the REAL THING ... when they are laying on their back on the floor, covered in a litter of happy puppies!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    Wow ! GB inspired conversation going on here.  Hate on people with hair or beards.
    Discriminate between black and white where hair or beards are concerned. 
    Wow. This is really showing the thoughts of pretend Elders and other pretend servants of God. 
    Grow up, get a life, and let ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE COME TO GOD THROUGH CHRIST. 
    Once those people have found God through Chrsit, then THEIR OWN conscience will give them guidance as to how to wear their hair or beard or no beard. 
    One way that the GB / Elders / JWs make a very big mistake is, to give orders to people on how to dress etc.
    A true Christian will know that service to God through Christ comes from 'inside' a person's heart and mind, not from obeying orders from domineering 'overlords'. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Not that I care, but the argument "I have to wear a beard for medical reasons" always reminded me of the case when Moses was delaying   
    What is good to notice here? Beards were mandatory and circumcision was  mandatory in ancient Israel. Jesus came and did not express his clear position on beards and circumcision issue. In fact, no one knows if he wore a beard or not.
    Given that he was the originator of the reforms in the Jewish religion by laying the foundations for a new way of worshiping God and breaking with the forms and traditions that were part of the "legacy of Moses", it would not be surprising if his appearance showed the direction of future change, that is, that external features are not proof that the individual is a member of a movement, organization, religion or ideology that represents "the only and true worship of God."
    Was his beard, if he wore it, the beard of a “real, true Jew" or did his beard deviate from the fashion and trend of other Jews? What if he trimmed her more than was allowed to be done - Lev 19 27? He “violated” many other norms of Jewish tradition and law.
    Jesus (the child) was circumcised at the behest of his parents. I am not aware of any biblical verse that says that Jesus supported or forbade or was neutral about the matter. But some of his followers, and later many other important members (apostles) of the congregation, preached and taught that circumcision was not an obligation.
    What is the situation in WTJWorg today? Beards have become banned since the time of Judge Rutherford (with some indications of a relaxation of measures, today), and circumcision is not banned if one wishes to do so.
    Issue on beard is in a way still a religious issue in WTJWorg. But it should not be because it is a meaningless dilemma and has its causes in the personal attitudes of WTJWorg religious leaders. Evidence? In the past, God determined forbidden things and punished people for things that He later marked as completely unimportant. If these things have become unimportant to God, the question is; Why are these things important to some people today ??
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in OBEDIENCE AND AUTHORITY – The Driving Purpose of the Organization   
    How do we define the common phrase, “power trip”?
    “A sustained and often aggressive exercise of power over others in order to boost one's stature or feeling of self-worth”
    I want to share the following perspective of privileges and entitlement in the organization, made by an exjw on reddit. He described the progressive reality of power and authority, harboring in the hearts of the governing leaders. (Prov 25:6; Rom 2:8; Gal 6:3) 
    These leaders presently ‘exercise all authority’ over the organization’s operations, yet the elder body is also given great authority over the anointed, replacing God’s chosen priests as the organization’s counterfeit priesthood. (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15-17) (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Dan 11:36) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Ezek 44:6-9)
    This person relates the pervasive drive for men especially, to "reach out", be recognized and respected on all levels of the organization. The demands and expectations for select JWs to succeed in supporting the organization, are sourced with the men at the top. Although this progressive learning tool of control is exercised upon all JWs, it is an especially blasphemous act against God’s holy anointed priesthood. (Matt 24:24,25; 48-51; Rev 13:5-7; 11:1,2) 
    “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:5,6
    _____________
    Did you ever “serve” as an attendant at conventions? What about working the parking lot at assemblies or memorial? Did you or your dad routinely travel to other halls to give a Sunday talks? Did you ever work safety at quickbuilds? Did you ever have a part on the stage at an assembly or convention? Were you ever in a drama? Did you ever get to pass the emblems (or even partake)? If you got baptized, do you remember sitting in the special section that morning? Did you ever get announced as an MS, elder or pioneer?
    If you can answer yes to any of the above questions, you may recall the sense of pride you felt. Even if you’re a lowly teenager running mics or controlling the sound, any position of responsibility comes with a small (but noteworthy) power trip. Imagine, for a brief moment, an elder, the COBE, the circuit overseer or even a visiting bethelite pulls into the parking lot at memorial or circuit assembly and for one small moment, it is you who has all the power and control. You have the orange vest, the orange cone, the straw hat and the honorable Attendant badge. They must drive and park where you tell them to. They will obey your command. For a small snapshot in time, even they must follow your leadership and direction—even tho they represent god on earth. But for that moment, they heed your direction when parking a car. They need your microphone to share their wisdom. The anointed cannot partake unless you hand them the emblems. They cannot speak while you’re on the platform, even if you’re simply reading the WT. YOU have all the power and control. YOU command everyone’s attention. The day you got baptized, it was YOU everyone looked at in the special section. It was you they sang and applauded for. When you (or your dad) visited another hall to deliver a Sunday talk, you already felt special. They lined up to meet you. You met new friends. You were automatically trusted as “exemplary” and even given “hospitality.”
    And even tho you may have only been a teenager at the time, or if you were an adult MS or elder, you were likely nothing special outside of the empowering moments those titles brought with them—but for those brief moments, even YOU, an uneducated window washer, enjoyed the taste of control and power. The highest ranking JW had to park where you told them. They couldn’t enter a quickbuild without safety gear and you had the power to stop them. They couldn’t interrupt your talk or take your spotlight the moment your appointment was announced. Yet, outside those windowless walls, you were nobody.
    IMAGINE the sense of power and control the GB feels all the time, everywhere they go. They brag about their humble lifestyles (and it’s true, their lodgings at HQ are ok at best—nothing spectacular, in fact most of our homes are probably nicer than their rooms are), but they never lose that feeling of ultimate authority. Everywhere they go, they’re met with reverence. Everything they say is spoken as god’s mouthpiece. Every visit they make, every broadcast they host, they are revered.
    What’s their motivation, you ask? Just try to remember those brief moments when you had title, rank and authority over others and ask yourself what you’d do if that was the way you lived 24/7.
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    “Should We Obey Men?”  
    Why Jesus came to earth / Last World Power over the Chosen Ones / "Iron" and "Clay"  
    “Who Really is?” 
     
     
     

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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    If you truly believe that war is ok with God then I think you have a problem with your way of thinking.
    What God allows and what God likes / agrees with, are probably two totally different things. 
    We know that God does not involve Himself in the daily running of the world. The 'world' belongs to the Devil and God has no interest in 'putting little bits of it right'.   
    You say that God "has no objection to them .... executing wrongdoers"
    Do you have proof of that ? 
    Quote "People generally misinterpret the scripture that say " Thou shalt not kill." where the scripture more actually says "Thou shalt not murder". "
    Quote " A sovereign government, executing a wrongdoer is implementing the political will of that government ... "
    Then that same government that conscripts people into the armed forces is doing likewise. But I presume your disagree with conscription ? 
    I think the idea of being a Christian in one sense, is that we take Bible truth and learn from it. By doing so we try to live by Bible principles. One such principle is. 
    ‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’s 38  This is the greatest and first commandment. 39  The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbour as yourself.
    Jesus here quoted from the LAW given to Moses. But as Christians we should live by the principles of that law. 
    ‘You must love your neighbour as yourself. 
    So, you must decide who your neighbour is James ? 
    Could you be loving your neighbour if you were deliberately entering their land with intention of killing them ? 
    Stop being American James. If you are a true servant of God then you are no longer American.  Jesus said His Kingdom was no part of this world. So James, just a kind suggestion, stop being part of this world. 
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Day is upon us...   
    This is so funny Rambo.. Losing KHs   They have just built Warwick and now they are going to build Ramapo. So they obviously don't think Armageddon is very close. 
    Worship with spirit and truth ???  You are having a laugh. The GB only worship themselves and their multi-organisations which have $$$$ and real estate.. It's all for show. 
    Rambo you write so well and sound so serious, but you tell lies just like your Leaders. 
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