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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Any statement by any person represents “ideology.” The difference between the ideology of FECRIS and the ideology of Introvigne is that the first stands for intolerance and the second for tolerance. Introvigne would allow all law-abiding faiths to exist. FECRIS would not. Introvigne draws the line at defaming faiths with false statements. FECRIS does not. 53% of the statements they make regarding Jehovah’s Witnesses are factually incorrect. It is not enough for FECRIS to say they don’t like Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have to lie about them, too.
    The United States [bipartisan] Commission on International Religious Freedom denounces the “anti-cult” ideology (of which FECRIS is a foremost part) for its “pretension to standing as the final arbiter of religious truth.” FECRIS is a humanist organization. It will tolerate religion only so long as religion embraces humanist goals. If religion is eviscerated to the point where it becomes a majority-rule affair, and thus as subject to contemporary trends as anyone else, FECRIS has no problem with it. 
    How does FECRIS know that that model is agreeable with God? It doesn’t, and it doesn’t care. Humanist goals are what it champions. It is plain that Christianity never would have taken root in the first century had FECRIS been around then. The manifest human authority revealed in New Testament writing would have been denounced by them as outside interference. “It is necessary to shut the mouths of these men,” Paul wrote of one situation back then. You think FECRIS would have stood still for that?
    It just may be that human authority is inherent in how God leads his worshippers. Any reading of scripture would certainly suggest so, yet that is a suggestion that FECRIS will not let stand. So it is that they presume to stand “as the final arbiter of religious truth.” 
    It matters not whether one agrees with the leadership of Jehovah’s Witnesses. That is not the issue taken up by Introvigne or the German Court. The obvious course for anyone in disagreement with the tenets of Jehovah’s Witnesses is not to be one. Upon taking that course, there is no longer any problem. Introvigne himself obviously doesn’t agree with Jehovah’s Witnesses in all things, maybe in none of them. Otherwise, he would be one. He is not. He is Roman Catholic. What he is is a voice calling for tolerance between religions. Criticizing other faiths if fine, so long as one does not lie about them. Lord knows Witnesses have criticized other faiths, but they do not lie about them. FECRIS does—53% of the time, it turns out.
    If I recall correctly, early Christianity was controversial, so much so that 40 years after Jesus death, Nero was throwing them to the lions. Introvigne would just prefer not to see the scenario repeat. Anything wrong with that?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Dear Tom, when GB members call listeners on JWTV and in literature; "Trust Us because JHVH and Jesus have full trust in Us...", don't you think how GB statement is enough twisted (distorted) and how GB lives in their twisted world with twisted reality they constantly creating in JW Church? 
    What ideology is behind the GB claim? For sure it is not about Idea, but about Ideology! 
    Thus, we have a question; What did Jesus promote? Idea or Ideology?
    What was promoted by (what is behind) Massimo Introvigne, the German court and FECRIS? Ideology.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in NO EXPENSE IS SPARED   
    Yep, the end is going to happen any moment now.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg   
    Another ten years maybe ?   Too much to happen and the True Anointed remnant have to be actively serving God properly through Christ and guiding the 'earthly class' in the right direction. Now that has to happen before all religion is completely banned earthwide. So we need some true guidance asap. It is not goingto come through the GB of the W/t. 
    The A/V studio will be fitting for the GB and their helpers, because all they do is play act and pretend to serve God. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture. 
    Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession." 
    So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from ApostaBabe Linda James in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    I just found this on JW Org.
    What Does the Bible Say About Revenge?
    The Bible’s answer
      Even though a person may feel justified in taking revenge, doing so goes against the Bible’s counsel: “Do not say: ‘I will do to him just as he has done to me; I will get even with him.” (Proverbs 24:29, footnote) The Bible contains advice that has helped many overcome a desire for revenge.   What is wrong with seeking revenge?
    If someone offended or harmed you, it is natural to feel angry and to want the other person to be punished for what he or she did. However, taking personal revenge is not in harmony with the Bible’s message. Why?
    When humans seek their own revenge, it displeases God. In the Bible, Jehovah  God says: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” (Romans 12:19) The Bible encourages those who have been wronged to seek peaceful ways to resolve matters when possible instead of pursuing revenge. (Romans 12:18) But what if such peaceful avenues are exhausted or unavailable? The Scriptures admonish us to trust in Jehovah to right all wrongs.—Psalm 42:10, 11.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg   
    So I did a little bit of digging as to this name above.
    Among their corporations, the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses cares for matters specific to Jehovah's Witnesses special full-time servants. In a particular branch, traveling overseers, special pioneers, and branch staff are considered members of the Order of Special Full-time Servants and the Bethel Family.[16] Globally, their order is the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses.[17] Male and female members of such religious orders typically make a formal vow of poverty and are granted certain status and exemptions by many governments. While Jehovah's Witnesses do not consider members of their religious orders to be a clergy separate from other Witnesses, who are also ordained ministers, they do recognize that a government may consider them such for administrative purposes.
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    The Order of Special Full-Time Servants appears to be a religious order of Jehovah's Witnesses. What is a religious order in the context of Witness theology? Is it theologically meaningful at all? To what purpose do people join this order? When do they leave? (Do they leave?) How does the whole thing work?
     
     yb95 pp. 5-6 Jehovah’s Witnesses—1995 Yearbook Report ***
    Among the full-time workers were 15,145 members of the global Bethel family. They help to provide literature, supervision, and other beneficial services in support of the worldwide work of Bible education. Of these, 5,082 serve at the world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, and at nearby facilities. All of them are members of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, a religious order that is devoted exclusively to the ministry.
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    Unfortunately a lot of info' / web pages are blocked from UK viewers. So it was difficult to get any real details. 
    Yes I did try JW Org site, but no results came up. But once again I didn't see the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses  connected to the  W&BTS ??? 
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg   
    Another ten years maybe ?   Too much to happen and the True Anointed remnant have to be actively serving God properly through Christ and guiding the 'earthly class' in the right direction. Now that has to happen before all religion is completely banned earthwide. So we need some true guidance asap. It is not goingto come through the GB of the W/t. 
    The A/V studio will be fitting for the GB and their helpers, because all they do is play act and pretend to serve God. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Ramapo Accepting Public Comment On Proposed Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ In Sloatsburg   
    So I did a little bit of digging as to this name above.
    Among their corporations, the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses cares for matters specific to Jehovah's Witnesses special full-time servants. In a particular branch, traveling overseers, special pioneers, and branch staff are considered members of the Order of Special Full-time Servants and the Bethel Family.[16] Globally, their order is the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses.[17] Male and female members of such religious orders typically make a formal vow of poverty and are granted certain status and exemptions by many governments. While Jehovah's Witnesses do not consider members of their religious orders to be a clergy separate from other Witnesses, who are also ordained ministers, they do recognize that a government may consider them such for administrative purposes.
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    The Order of Special Full-Time Servants appears to be a religious order of Jehovah's Witnesses. What is a religious order in the context of Witness theology? Is it theologically meaningful at all? To what purpose do people join this order? When do they leave? (Do they leave?) How does the whole thing work?
     
     yb95 pp. 5-6 Jehovah’s Witnesses—1995 Yearbook Report ***
    Among the full-time workers were 15,145 members of the global Bethel family. They help to provide literature, supervision, and other beneficial services in support of the worldwide work of Bible education. Of these, 5,082 serve at the world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, and at nearby facilities. All of them are members of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, a religious order that is devoted exclusively to the ministry.
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    Unfortunately a lot of info' / web pages are blocked from UK viewers. So it was difficult to get any real details. 
    Yes I did try JW Org site, but no results came up. But once again I didn't see the Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses  connected to the  W&BTS ??? 
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    quote: That defamatory statements about the Jehovah’s Witnesses come from Russian official documents does not mean that organizations in democratic countries are free to reprint them. - https://bitterwinter.org/fecris-sentenced-in-germany-for-defaming-jehovahs-witnesses/
    Is this, above, German Court ruling, opinion or something else? Or is this M.I interpretation?
    According to JW interpretations about Bible and Romans 13 in particular, every secular government are equal before God. No matter is it about more or less "democratic countries" or or about other political ideology. In such point of view, all good and bad decisions aka "official documents" made by "democratic" or by "not-democratic" countries have same value. And people are free to choose to obey or not to obey, to trust or not to trust in such "official documents". With various outcome made by individual or group decision. In case of Russian JW they made their choice with knowing in advance what could and would look like going against "official documents".
    We can "reprint" (copy/paste) WTJWorg official site articles or videos and say what we think about it. Or do M.I thinks we have to be silent about it/them?
    WTJWorg publications (especially in the past) were full of freedom of (hate) speech against other religions, especially the Catholic Church. So, what's the problem now? Maybe the difference is that JW’s attacks on other religions are justified in JW’s eyes? Because other religions are false and their doctrines are false? And their traditions are wrong? So it's free to attack them?
    Catholic priests told their members not to read literature from JW. What do JW elders and GB tell their members? The same thing, not to read anything that comes from other religions.
    Today, “hate speech” in WTJWorg concentrates on former members. Who wants to deal with such things as listening to arguments from both sides and giving opinions? Maybe the German Court? It seems to be interesting to them, so maybe they will deal with it in the future as well. :))
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Outside, or inside the organization? Outside, they most certainly fight to impose their view on others through legislation.  They always have through history.    Inside?  Soft violence is used every day by the GB against the anointed.  Matt 24:48-51  When someone tells you not to seek out and gather with brothers and sisters to read and study the word of God, that is "soft" violence enacted against a people - a spiritual nation.   These are "living" temple stones figuratively scattered throughout the congregations of JWs; yet, surrounded by elder "Gentiles". (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)  Soft violence can crush an individual into submission; or worse, into spiritual destruction.  Luke 19:44; 21:6      (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
     
    "other faiths"...the faith promoted by the organization is total reliance on...the organization.  This is a faith contrary to what the scriptures teach.  The "other faith" found in the organization is within the hearts of the anointed and should be practiced by them.  But, they have become submissive to "organizational" faith under the rule of men.  Is any tolerance found regarding where their faith should lie?  
    "For although we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh, 4 since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments 5 and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ. "  2 Cor 10:4,5
    that is raised up against the knowledge of God,
    Nowhere can it be found in the scriptures that support the rulership of "uncircumcised" men over God's anointed Temple dwelling.   (Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Matt 24:15,16)  
    the demolition of strongholds.
    What is the stronghold that will be demolished by the Word of God, the Spirit of God?  The mountainlike organization that destroys His people with soft violence.  Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8; 13:5-7; 19:20; Isa 2:12-18
    If only the anointed and all JWs would realize to...
     Put no more trust in a mere human,
    who has only the breath in his nostrils.
    What is he really worth?  Isa 2:22
    The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Unfortunately, I can only comment on an article by M. Introvign, and M.I. it is known to us from a particular and specific context from before.
    It would be good to have court documentation, so that I would be able to give a clearer "opinion".
    The article shows a detail that includes Russia and its judiciary with the JW and with "Western democracy." In this case, German democracy gives an opinion on Russia and its domestic policy towards the JW. This creates a problem and doubts the objectivity of the German court. On the other hand, we have the example of American courts that do not want to enter into theological debates and evaluate what and how which religion teaches and how it disciplines and guide its members. It does not discuss the internal rules and methods of church bodies. According to the article, this is also about such things.
    quote: The court also found that FECRIS distorts the theology and practices of the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the intention of defaming them
    WTJWorg in Germany seeks the opinion and approval of the court that certain JW theology and practices are correct. From whose point of view should it be correct? Court view? They also ask the court to declare certain observations of external observers to be false. It is possible that someone at FECRIS did not do a good research so he said the inaccuracy. ... quote: (Sometimes, it is unclear whether FECRIS activists, who claim to be experts on “cults,” are in bad faith or simply incompetent. They published the case of a 17-year-old Dutch girl who died during a measles epidemic in 2013 after her parents had refused vaccination for religious reasons and implied she was a Jehovah’s Witnesses. In fact, she was a member of a Calvinist Christian Reformed congregation, i.e., belonged to a church known for being a staunch opponent of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.)
    How the elders (and JW lawyers) in the Judicial Communities working, is evident from some other court documents and videos. If the elders were to make their notes available, (if they were written) rather than destroyed them as instructed by the GB Legal Department and representatives, then perhaps this “story” should be different. 
    quote: The German Jehovah’s Witnesses asked the District Court of Hamburg to examine 32 statements. The court found 17 of them defamatory, one partially defamatory, and 14 non-defamatory. 
    What is the content of these 14 and 1/2 ? They are true, right? Can you find out what this is about?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Exactly. Jehovah’s Witnesses have to be the most tolerant of religions in that, with regard to confronting other faiths, their weapons are words only. Not only do they reject the hard violence of physical persecution of those of other beliefs, they also reject the soft violence of attempting to legislate their views upon others. 
     
    In this case you have ones who failed to remake the JW organization in their own image, and who thereafter resort to incessantly attacking it, pitching and repitching many of the same defamatory mischaracterizations that FECRIS was rebuked for—and concocting some of their own. Three times in the last few weeks their have been statements against the JW organization (one from Witness, and two from Patiently Sitting on my Hands) that almost immediately had to be retracted as they were found to be false. Will that prevent further misrepresentations? I doubt it. 
    In the face of this, ones adhering to the JW way of worship either respond with some bluntness or walk away. I would not choose the same words as Arauna, (OCD hate) but I see where she gets it from. Having left the JW faith, presumably you’ve found a life somewhere else. Continually attacking the faith you were not able to change smacks of sour grapes—why do you not move on in life? OCD is not such an unreasonable description at all.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    "the marketplace of ideas" :)))
    This forum with JW Open Club is marketplace of ideas, too. How would you describe the participants confronting their ideas?  Who are the buyers and who are the sellers? What is their business ethics? Are there any restrictions on what ideas are allowed? ... etc.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture. 
    Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession." 
    So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    I just found this on JW Org.
    What Does the Bible Say About Revenge?
    The Bible’s answer
      Even though a person may feel justified in taking revenge, doing so goes against the Bible’s counsel: “Do not say: ‘I will do to him just as he has done to me; I will get even with him.” (Proverbs 24:29, footnote) The Bible contains advice that has helped many overcome a desire for revenge.   What is wrong with seeking revenge?
    If someone offended or harmed you, it is natural to feel angry and to want the other person to be punished for what he or she did. However, taking personal revenge is not in harmony with the Bible’s message. Why?
    When humans seek their own revenge, it displeases God. In the Bible, Jehovah  God says: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” (Romans 12:19) The Bible encourages those who have been wronged to seek peaceful ways to resolve matters when possible instead of pursuing revenge. (Romans 12:18) But what if such peaceful avenues are exhausted or unavailable? The Scriptures admonish us to trust in Jehovah to right all wrongs.—Psalm 42:10, 11.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture. 
    Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession." 
    So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-ups-pressure-on-youtube-facebook-to-hand-over-infringers-details-210523/
    After filing a lawsuit against the creator of the 'DubTown' Lego stop motion series, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group, has yet more alleged infringers in its sights. In addition to targeting more YouTube users, Watch Tower is attempting to find out the identities of people posting its songs to Facebook.
    As the owner of various copyright-protected works, including many registered at the US Copyright Office, the group is allowed to send DMCA takedown notices to have content removed from online platforms. As the law requires, platforms like YouTube comply with these requests but it appears that is just not enough for Watch Tower.
     
    As reported last weekend, an individual who created a series of stop-motion Lego animations is currently being sued by Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. ‘Kevin McFree’ was first targeted in 2018 via a DMCA subpoena but with that legal process stalled, Watch Tower filed a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit.
    McFree (not his/her real name) is currently proceeding as a John Doe, since the earlier DMCA subpoena failed to uncover the animator’s real identity after Watch Tower met resistance from McFree’s lawyer. However, DMCA subpoenas – which do not necessarily require oversight from a judge – can prove a useful tool in obtaining people’s real names and addresses.
    While this is a problem for alleged copyright infringers in any matter (such as those that involve copyright trolls), in Watch Tower related cases there is a chance that once identified, people who are current members (or have family members still in the church) could face much broader social consequences. As a result, staying anonymous carries additional importance.
    Watch Tower Files a New Wave of DMCA Subpoenas
    Watch Tower is no stranger to filing for DMCA subpoenas to compel YouTube to hand over the details of alleged infringers, and these can sometimes get quite messy. This week, however, Watch Tower appears to be increasing the pressure significantly.
    In a wave of DMCA subpoenas targeting YouTube and also Facebook, the religious group is hoping to find out the real identities of people who uploaded Jehovah’s Witness content to the platforms. At least as far as the evidence provided reveals, none are serial infringers or mass uploaders.
    In all cases, Watch Tower appears to have identified either a single upload on YouTube or Facebook, which were previously tackled by sending DMCA notices to the relevant platforms, targeting the specific content, which was removed.
    Demands for All Subscriber Information
    In all four cases, either YouTube or Facebook are asked to hand over “all identifying information, including subscriber registration information” including their “name(s), address(es), telephone number(s), [and] any electronic mail addresses” associated with the allegedly infringing accounts.
    Since the content has already been subjected to takedown requests, preventing ongoing infringement doesn’t appear to be a key issue. However, since Watch Tower wants to personally identify the people in question, it is possible that it will seek to communicate with them directly. What shape those conversations will take is unknown but there could be additional consequences if the group can link the alleged infringers or their family members directly to the church.
     
    And of course, as the lawsuit against Kevin McFree shows, there is also the possibility of a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit, which at least carries the potential for up to $150,000 in statutory damages, if guilt is proven. Either way, if the people can be identified there is no good outcome.
    The DMCA subpoena applications and supporting documents can be found below:
    1. YouTube (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
    2. YouTube (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
    3. Facebook (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
    4. Facebook (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
    Matthew  5 : 38 through 45
     “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. 40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment; 41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.43  “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45  so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.
    And the GB and their lawyers continue to disobey Christ, because the GB love money and power more than they love God. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture. 
    Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession." 
    So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture. 
    Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession." 
    So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reasonable people are not necessarily True Christians though, including the GB and their lawyers. However True Christians will know the words that Jesus spoke and that were recorded for use by the True Anointed ones. Even we, the 'little dogs', can gain some guidance from some basic scripture. 
    Jesus said " For you expressed sympathy for those in prison and you accepted joyfully the plundering of your belongings, knowing that you yourselves have a better and an enduring possession." 
    So whilst Arauna is worrying about man made 'theft laws', True Christians Earth wide are living by God's Laws through Jesus Christ. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-ups-pressure-on-youtube-facebook-to-hand-over-infringers-details-210523/
    After filing a lawsuit against the creator of the 'DubTown' Lego stop motion series, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the supervising body and publisher for the Jehovah’s Witness religious group, has yet more alleged infringers in its sights. In addition to targeting more YouTube users, Watch Tower is attempting to find out the identities of people posting its songs to Facebook.
    As the owner of various copyright-protected works, including many registered at the US Copyright Office, the group is allowed to send DMCA takedown notices to have content removed from online platforms. As the law requires, platforms like YouTube comply with these requests but it appears that is just not enough for Watch Tower.
     
    As reported last weekend, an individual who created a series of stop-motion Lego animations is currently being sued by Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. ‘Kevin McFree’ was first targeted in 2018 via a DMCA subpoena but with that legal process stalled, Watch Tower filed a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit.
    McFree (not his/her real name) is currently proceeding as a John Doe, since the earlier DMCA subpoena failed to uncover the animator’s real identity after Watch Tower met resistance from McFree’s lawyer. However, DMCA subpoenas – which do not necessarily require oversight from a judge – can prove a useful tool in obtaining people’s real names and addresses.
    While this is a problem for alleged copyright infringers in any matter (such as those that involve copyright trolls), in Watch Tower related cases there is a chance that once identified, people who are current members (or have family members still in the church) could face much broader social consequences. As a result, staying anonymous carries additional importance.
    Watch Tower Files a New Wave of DMCA Subpoenas
    Watch Tower is no stranger to filing for DMCA subpoenas to compel YouTube to hand over the details of alleged infringers, and these can sometimes get quite messy. This week, however, Watch Tower appears to be increasing the pressure significantly.
    In a wave of DMCA subpoenas targeting YouTube and also Facebook, the religious group is hoping to find out the real identities of people who uploaded Jehovah’s Witness content to the platforms. At least as far as the evidence provided reveals, none are serial infringers or mass uploaders.
    In all cases, Watch Tower appears to have identified either a single upload on YouTube or Facebook, which were previously tackled by sending DMCA notices to the relevant platforms, targeting the specific content, which was removed.
    Demands for All Subscriber Information
    In all four cases, either YouTube or Facebook are asked to hand over “all identifying information, including subscriber registration information” including their “name(s), address(es), telephone number(s), [and] any electronic mail addresses” associated with the allegedly infringing accounts.
    Since the content has already been subjected to takedown requests, preventing ongoing infringement doesn’t appear to be a key issue. However, since Watch Tower wants to personally identify the people in question, it is possible that it will seek to communicate with them directly. What shape those conversations will take is unknown but there could be additional consequences if the group can link the alleged infringers or their family members directly to the church.
     
    And of course, as the lawsuit against Kevin McFree shows, there is also the possibility of a full-blown copyright infringement lawsuit, which at least carries the potential for up to $150,000 in statutory damages, if guilt is proven. Either way, if the people can be identified there is no good outcome.
    The DMCA subpoena applications and supporting documents can be found below:
    1. YouTube (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
    2. YouTube (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
    3. Facebook (Subpoena 1) (1,2)
    4. Facebook (Subpoena 2) (1,2)
    Matthew  5 : 38 through 45
     “You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ 39  However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. 40  And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment; 41  and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles. 42  Give to the one asking you, and do not turn away from one who wants to borrow from you.43  “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44  However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45  so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous.
    And the GB and their lawyers continue to disobey Christ, because the GB love money and power more than they love God. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    If the leaders of the organization were genuinely living for the Kingdom to come, they would drop all of this crap and walk away.  But, their kingdom is of THIS world, and like the evil one, they don’t want to lose it. (John 18:36; 1 John 5:19)  They have taught their followers to also support their cause, to support their kingdom, and their lies; which is alienated from the kingdom that lies in the hearts of those in Jesus Christ.  (Luke 17:21; 1 Cor 3:16)  It has nothing to do with earthly treasures or legal rights. (Luke 4:5,6; Matt 6:19-21) 
    The leaders have been living under a cloak of apparent humility, but the intentions of their hearts are becoming quite clear to the world at large.  No longer can they hide their true selves, that which lies beneath white-washed tombs. Matt 23:27,28 
    God is concerned with the "legal system" that His holy people live under - His saints/anointed and all JWs who put up with internal organizational corruption.  To believe that the Wt. is innocent on all accounts, and that its sins are ignored by the Father and Jesus Christ, is pure foolishness.
    Woe to the rebellious children!
    This is the Lord’s declaration.
    They carry out a plan, but not mine;
    they make an alliance,
    but against my will,
    piling sin on top of sin.
    2 Without asking my advice
    they set out to go down to Egypt
    in order to seek shelter under Pharaoh’s protection
    and take refuge in Egypt’s shadow.
    Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
    and inscribe it on a scroll;
    it will be for the future,
    forever and ever.
    9 They are a rebellious people,
    deceptive children,
    children who do not want to listen to the Lord’s instruction.
    Therefore the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message
    and have trusted in oppression and deceit,
    and have depended on them,
    13 this iniquity of yours will be
    like a crumbling gap,
    a bulge in a high wall
    whose collapse will come in an instant—suddenly!
    14 Its collapse will be like the shattering
    of a potter’s jar, crushed to pieces,
    so that not even a fragment of pottery
    will be found among its shattered remains—
    no fragment large enough to take fire from a hearth
    or scoop water from a cistern.”  Isaiah 30
    The Kingdom - 1914?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    My reply is on record for all to see. Reasonable people will look, see and learn and they will then recognize the trolls, the hate-OCD personalities.
    I need not reply to hate. Reasonableness and understanding of the law is needed.... and why theft laws are in place...... this is clear for all to see.  Whether these laws will be enforced with justice is another matter. The legal system in USA is crumbling. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    GB Interpretation:
    With a little help by/with from WTJWorg GB Lawyers/Legal Department? 
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