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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez   
    @TrueTomHarley You must watch a lot of television or films or something as you seem to reference so many things I've never heard of. Both you and Arauna make references to things that have no meaning to me. (Perhaps I lead a sheltered life). 
    Now as for your words of wisdom, "Why don’t you divert a little more energy towards the goal of being in that New World, you yo-yo?"  This is sensible......... But then your words "Perhaps then your credentials for condemning everything under the sun will improve.", are too general. You know that I don't condemn 'everything'.  Paul's words, as I mentioned "Hate what is evil", prove the point. 
    It is because I hate what is evil, that i cannot be part of the CCJW right now.... I am not saying that 'everything' about the Org is evil, but that certain things are.... And @JW Insider certainly seems to find 'discrepancies' in the 'teachings' of the Org. 1914 seems to be suspect for instance. So it's not only what you and others call my 'favorite subject' that holds me back, but also some of the teachings and 'rules'.  I admit to being at a complete loss right now. You laugh at my idea of a True Anointed but it's the only way forward as far as I can see. You also laugh at my idea of a much bigger 'Body of servants' taking the lead in the Org, but my point has been proven that so much can now be done via internet that a much bigger 'GB' type of leadership is easily possible with Anointed leaders from all around the Earth. 
    But i will come back to the Org's teaching of "Only baptised JWs will be saved", and I'm not liable to be a JW for many years if things continue as they are in the Org. So, I will take the risk of doing what i think is right and stay away from the CCJW, and I will face the consequences. If i die for doing wrong then i can say i did wrong for the right reasons  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez   
    @César Chávez Show me where I'm advocating my own online community. or where I'm advocating anyone else's online community.  Come on give me a link then where " I " am doing those things. 
    It's bad enough that your GB are doing those things ( distortion, exaggeration, and lies.) , I'm certainly not going to follow them into that pit. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to SuzA in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    " . . . you are now, looking like women with a lot of time in their hands!!"
    I notice of late that you are using the term woman as an epithet when you wish to insult someone you dislike.  Why is that?  Do you think it is in keeping with the counsel we've been receiving lately on God's view of women?   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Vaccine time   
    https://www.npr.org/2021/04/14/987383916/u-s-health-officials-continue-pause-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Vaccine time   
    I thought I'd just repeat this for anyone that thinks they are 'showing love' to others be taking that drug. 
    The vaccine does not protect anyone, does not stop a person catching, carrying, passing on, the virus, so it proves to be just an experiment on people .  
    Many older folk here in England are dying even after having the vaccine. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Vaccine time   
    I thought I'd just repeat this for anyone that thinks they are 'showing love' to others be taking that drug. 
    The vaccine does not protect anyone, does not stop a person catching, carrying, passing on, the virus, so it proves to be just an experiment on people .  
    Many older folk here in England are dying even after having the vaccine. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Vaccine time   
    I thought I'd just repeat this for anyone that thinks they are 'showing love' to others be taking that drug. 
    The vaccine does not protect anyone, does not stop a person catching, carrying, passing on, the virus, so it proves to be just an experiment on people .  
    Many older folk here in England are dying even after having the vaccine. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Joan Kennedy in Vaccine time   
    I thought I'd just repeat this for anyone that thinks they are 'showing love' to others be taking that drug. 
    The vaccine does not protect anyone, does not stop a person catching, carrying, passing on, the virus, so it proves to be just an experiment on people .  
    Many older folk here in England are dying even after having the vaccine. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Vaccine time   
    I got it. Randomly I’ll hear Bill Gates whisper sweet nothings in my ear telling me to buy more Microsoft products, it’s a weird side effect, but on the plus side I grew an extra set of limbs making me much more productive at work. I’m hoping I’ll be a candidate for employee of the month now.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Joan Kennedy in Vaccine time   
    Personal decision:  love of neighbor (and self)  moved me (86) to get the first shot of moderna on February 5 along with my husband (89) and the second shot on March 5.  Spent one whole year watching the deaths climb to horrible levels. Researched the risks/benefits, pros/cons, and we decided we would rather be alive than dead.  No adverse reactions beside itchy arm for my husband and sore arm for me which was relieved by warm compress.   This was with the second shot.   Looking forward to being able to conduct my studies on a person to person, eye to eye level whenever we are given the ok by the GB. Also want hugs from my brothers and sisters when we are able to return to the KH. 
    4Jah2me will not be getting a hug fro me nor be invited to my house (personal decision)
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    Do you mean like the proverbs about where there is no fuel, the fire goes out? (Proverbs 20:26) There may be something to that. 
    Sometimes rage boils over into the actual world. You wouldn’t want to think you were a contributing factor to that.
    It may not be like how “experts” in the back pocket of video game makers assure us that online violence presents just a harmless substitute for the real thing. 
    It may be like how those “experts” would never dare say the same thing with regard to child porn. Nor would they ever dare say it with regard to hate speech against gays, transgenders, or minorities.
    Look! How little a fire it takes to set so great a woodland on fire! Well, the tongue is a fire. (James 3:5)
    That may be indeed the applicable verse here. Our people clearly recognize it in other circumstances.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    No, just listen to me: stop feeding the troll!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    I don’t actually think you are insane. There are others who nudge you out on that count.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    I never know if Mr Tom is talking about CC = Billy, or me. Tom has total dislike for both of us and thinks we are both insane. But Bro Rando takes the biscuit for being deranged I think. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Dmitar in Vaccine time   
    No vaccine for me. I find it kinda funny that anyone who is Christian would allow their body to be misused volutarily.
    The vaccine does not protect anyone, does not stop a person catching, carrying, passing on, the virus, so it proves to be just an experiment on people rather than animals. Although Billy says we are all animals anyway.  
    Just a bit of clarity though. I have high blood pressure, I'm 71 years old, and my own dad died of a cerebral hemorrhage, so I think i have good reasons to say no to a vaccine. Many old folk are dying after having the vaccine here in England.. 
    J & J  were found to have knowingly  allowed asbestos in their brand of talcum powder, so I certainly woud not trust them with an untested vaccine. All the covid vaccines are 'not tested' because there was never enough time allowed.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    I never know if Mr Tom is talking about CC = Billy, or me. Tom has total dislike for both of us and thinks we are both insane. But Bro Rando takes the biscuit for being deranged I think. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The sealing of the 144,000 is at hand...   
    Better times lay ahead of us
     
    Better times lay ahead of us, but not for everyone. “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” (Rev 7:3)
    Notice that harm to the earth, sea, or trees are being withheld until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads. This is in reference to sealing of the 144,000 which are representatives of God’s temple, the Body of Christ, New Jerusalem, Christ’s Brothers, and even the Bride of Christ. All are one in the same. 
    Once the total number of the 144,000 are sealed, then a colossal of other prophecies begin to become fulfilled. “I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.” (Ezekiel 39:7) 
    Time left is reduced and turning back will no longer be a recourse once the 144,000 are sealed. 

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    The total self-absorbtion is a tip-off, too. If his self-importance is pricked in any way, he goes into search-and-destroy mode, and nobody gets even the tiniest bit of credit for anything.
    @Arauna is case-in-point and it pains me to see her so abused. She has her point of view, of course, like anyone. Still, Cesar was routinely upvoting her posts. Then she made the mistake of mildly contradicting him on an inconsequential point. Even though she clarified, mollified, partially backtracked, and even apologized, it did no good. Jezebel is more noble in his eyes now. 
    For the life of me, I don’t know why anyone gets into long exchanges with him. Have they nothing at all to do with their time? Plainly, he is deranged.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    Oh no! Not yet another one with a special calling!! This has not so far been revealed. Unusual in real life, they are a dime a dozen online. Maybe that is why the Christian organization isn’t thrilled about going there.
    As long as you have revealed yourself as a chosen one, I suggest a fine course might be to tell 4Jah that you are the True Anointed. I wouldn’t mind seeing that one play out. He will go batsh*t crazy. But then, he does anyway.
    (sorry—I tried to find a less crude synonym for batsh*t crazy. But everything that popped up on the thesaurus was worse. Sigh...what’s a righteous man to do?)
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    Um..... this is all so confusing .....
    It seems EVERYBODY except Senor Chavez is ignorant, scum, uneducated, clueless, stupid and animals.
    ........ What are the odds of THAT?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    Further Example for illustration and argumentation:
    Does the Bible support or condemn slavery? Does it approve of it somewhere in the text or is it neutral on that issue?
    The OT text regulates slavery, meaning, it supports it as part of the social circumstances of the time. In the NT the matter of slavery is still relevant and nowhere is it described to be unacceptable to Christians. In fact, Paul also advises slaves to return to their master and be obedient (Ephesians 6). Isn't Paul "Christianly enlightened" so that he comes to understand that it is wrong to support slavery? Or did he obey the social injustices normal for the society of that time?
    When did slavery begin to be abolished and why? Was it because of a sense of injustice and that it was contrary to the freedom God had given to man or because of the social changes in the political consciousness of those who participated in power? Or was it all mixed together?
    So, Paul under “inspiration”, seems, supports slavery in the 1st century. What is inspired here? Paul's advice for slaves? Or is it inspired that the record became part of the Bible and shows how Paul gave counsel that was contrary to God’s love, but was already in accordance with the rights of slaveholders?
    Well it looks like, whether something is right or wrong becomes a process that goes beyond the framework of "level of accurate knowledge", and biblical understanding and interpretation in the past and today. 
    True Christian people in the past was good Christian despise their slaveholder position. Today JW Christian would be considered as bad Christian if would had slaves. What has changed? Bible text in Ephesians 6? Interpretation of same text? Or Human Society today?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Conscience individual and collective   
    “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
    26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”
    28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes." Matt 7:24-29
    This is why people leave the organization.  They see the leadership floundering at keeping their "house" built on shady, weak "foolish" teachings, stable.  But it will fall, as Jesus promises in his words here.  Why do people want to go down with it?  Why are they so foolish?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Why I had to choose my own family over being a Jehovah’s Witness..... By JODIE CHAPMAN   
    I think you should say "It depends on level of obedience to" the GB and the Org.  Because that is the truth of it. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in Conscience individual and collective   
    Oh this is lovely  .  Basically saying "We have to continue to tell lies otherwise we loose the congregation". 
    A core doctrine that is a deliberate lie.  Oh they of little faith. 
    Didn't it ever come to mind about Jesus saying "Unless you drink my blood and eat my flesh ...... "  Shock happens, but when faith is strong then the faithful remain. 
    Worried about being d/fed. Worrying about the 'flock' not having enough to 'fall back on'.  Absolutely no faith what so ever. 
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