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This is interesting because my 26 year old son and i were having a conversation about the Law or Moses / Nation of Israel
( I will start a separate topic of the conversation above )
Let us get one thing clear. The NATION OF ISRAEL had LAW.   If you were born into, or, if you became part of, the NATION OF ISRAEL, you were under that LAW. 
However, CHRISTIANS are NOT under LAW.  Christians should live by BIBLE PRINCIPLES, which would be governed by a BIBLE trained CONSCIENCE. 
So xero's comment above smells badly of the Devil's work. Xero is trying, but failing, to prove the need of a dictatorship organisation.  
Once again xero links two completely separate things,  (quote) " a faithful Christian or a faithful organization".  Those things are miles apart. 
Quote " if these failed to either submit to organizational authority".  = dictatorship.
Quote "an earmark of what I'd expect of a true religion - that the religion would expect and enforce biblical standards and principles." 
The Watchtower and multiple JW orgs do not have "biblical standards and principles."  but they do enforce man made rules. 
If you want to go back to the Nation of Israel then your GB / ranks / Elders bind up heavy loads and put those loads on the shoulders of congregants, but those in 'control' do not help to ease any load. Pharisees. 

Yes and it seems the Watchtower are even supplying the paper with a special logo in the bottom corner. One that can be read by 'posh' cell phones. 

This is a strange expression. Who hate THE FAITH.   Faith is a personal strong belief in something or someone unseen but yet 'known'.  
Are you replacing the Watchtowers words 'the Truth' with your words 'The Faith' ?  
It would appear that 'the faith' of JWs is in the things seen, not unseen. Those things seen being the GB and the massive amount of real estate that the W/t own. 

Read this as, dictatorship of the Elders. 

And you xero lick it up as if it's strawberry jam. 

But what you are doing here is, putting your trust in 'men'.  It is so funny how JWs will deny somethings 'men' say, but happily follow other things that 'men' say when it serves their purpose.  

I'll give you a clue.  I am alive, so my mother must have fed me some reasonable food when I was young. However my mother was a whore and she was the cause of my father's death, so I hated her. 
Now apply that thinking to JW Org. Within a life time a person (or an Org) may do a couple of good things, but it does not excuse all the wickedness.

Actually what Xero means is, his life is so much better when he turns his back on truth .  His choice of course, if he cannot face reality.  Maybe he is going back to his mother's basement now. 

And this person says he is an Elder.  @JW Insider has already called him out about D O's, asking him when he was last in the Org. 
And once again this person presumes it knows what I'm doing or not doing. 
I have made known and will continue to make known what future this 'world' has and what future the Earth has. i make known who is the ruler of this 'world' and why. And of course i make known who Almighty God is and who Christ is, and what they have done, what they are doing, and will do in the future.  BUT i don't pretend to know the 'day or the hour' of the coming Judgement. 
But xero's comment is really sad and unfortunately shows some kind of mental instability. 

That's a good one. Jesus was obviously testing them because it does sound off putting. So those that stayed with him. Did they stay because Holy Spirit guided their hearts and minds, or was it that they simply didn't have anywhere else to go ? 
It was a bit of a sheep and goats dividing moment maybe.

So then tell me, Who is the guilty party here ? 
the elders likely made a mistake, probably because they assumed that neither of these were truly anointed, because of traditional conditioning around previous teachings.
because of traditional conditioning around previous teachings. Tell us about this bit please.
Conditioning.......... Brain washing, indoctrination. 
Previous teachings............... False 'truth'. Fake information from a fake leadership. 
You and Tom write sentences so freely, without really thinking about what you are writing. 
But in truth you are admitting that the GB and the Elders are not fit for purpose. 

Leaders of a Jehovah's Witnesses church 'made a 15-year-old girl listen to an audio tape of her own rape for four hours for her to say it was "consensual"', Utah Supreme Court hears
It would seem that JWs use the same tactics. 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8942521/Jehovah-Witnesses-leaders-girl-15-listen-recording-rape-four-hours.html

Another joke from CC but he actually hangs himself with his own rope here. God will punish me as an individual BECAUSE I have an individual conscience. God will not punish the congregation for my sins because God will not be using collective conscience.

This whole comment above is so funny that it's hard to know where to start to answer it. I presume Tom is on the wine or vodka or something. 
Of course Tom will now provide proof of God's true guidance and give names of the organisations that God used from the year 100 through to 1800. Tom will now show how God was using specific organisations when, ops, That Russell guy, he said there was no need of an Organisation, and he had plenty of people agreeing with him it seems. 
Tom also deliberately tries to hide the FACT that I am NOT Anti- organisation. Even governments are organised to a degree. Families are organised. Businesses are organied. So too, religion will be organised. 
Let's quote Tom here " If God is worth his salt, he will provide adequate human leadership."
Yes Tom, God will provide a True Anointed remnant to replace ALL false religions in good time, before the Judgement comes. 
Quote "Jehovah’s people will cut their shepherds some slack, just as was necessary in the first century,"
Yes well. the blind leading the blind. Catholics will probably cut the Pope and the priests some slack too. 
But please give me 5 examples of this 'first century' slackness, where the 'followers' cut their leaders some slack. 
Quote "But they also recognize that these ones will be relentlessly attacked simply for the Christian shepherding work that they do."
No, JWs are so blind that they believe the things they are told. Most JWs do not do research into things such as CSA. They do not research scripture from an outside viewpoint. They believe that their leaders are the ones to follow without question. And most JWs easily give up their conscience to follow orders. 
Sorry to be so blunt, but when you talk rubbish then you have to be open to a reply. 

I do wish that those people obsessed with AN ORGANISATION, would tell me, in chronological order, which Organisations Almighty God was using from the year 100 through to the year 1850. 
All complete names of ALL the organisations, with dates from and to, please.  I look forward to your thorough reply, because you people seem to be so confident that you have these answers. 

Oh dear he drags us back into YE OLDE HEBREW SCRIPTURE again.  We ARE living in the time of Principles based on the teachings of Christ. WE ARE NOT ISRAELITES. 
And as for the other suggestion, You have no idea what some of us have suffered from Elders, no idea at all. 
But as @Witness constantly tells you, the Elders DO kill people spiritually, which is just as bad as killing physically.  
If you add the belief of your GB, that ONLY BAPTISED JWs WILL BE SAVED. Then disfellowshipping for false reasons is killing a person. And that is what the JW Elders do. 

Just read this. Just listen to the ORDERS BEING GIVEN, the DICTATORSHIP.  Who does this man think he is ? 
 
 

Yes. Do a little research on 1 Corinthians 6:9-12 and you will see two categories in the list of those who will not inherit the kingdom, “men kept for unnatural purposes,” and “men who lie with men.” The first has particular reference to a young man or boy specifically kept for sexual purposes. The is was extremely common in the ancient world, in nearly all places except among the Jews.
This is the expression, “men kept for unnatural purposes,” that would fit pedophelia. The first, “men who lie with men,” is plain, regular, homosexuality. As you suspected, there is a movement among those who practice the gay life to “interpret away” verses that condemn their actions. I think what you son has come across are such efforts.
The Hebrew Scriptures also cover both, not just one, pedophilia and homosexuality.
Leviticus 18:22 is homosexuality: “And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.”
Leviticus 18:10: pedophllia: “As for the nakedness of the daughter of your son or the daughter of your daughter, you must not lay bare their nakedness, because they are your nakedness.”
Two separate things. They are not the same.

you have all the propriety of the hangman who is offended by the word s**t

This is not really a serious topic, it's more of, Have you ever heard of such a thing ?
My son who is 26 and spends a lot of time 'online,' came to me with an unusual topic of discussion.
He has been reading online that, there are people which believe that where the Hebrew scriptures mention homosexuality, it is really talking about pedophilia.
He says that he has read, that a scripture about 'a man laying with a man' should be put to death, actually reads that 'a man laying with a young boy' should be put to death. 
It seems to imply that some people are saying it refers to pedophilia not homosexuality. 
I haven't investigated it at all for a couple of reasons.
1. From my viewpoint we do not live by the Hebrew / Mosaic Law, we live by the Bible principles given through Christ and the Apostles, recorded in the Greek scriptures.
2. I think those people involved in this 'way of thinking'  are trying to justify homosexuality, and I know that Almighty God hates / condemns homosexuality as shown in Romans 1 verses 24 through 27.
The point of the topic is that i had never heard of people using the 'reasoning' that the Hebrew scriptures referred to pedophilia not homosexuality. 
Any thought ? 

You don't need that. You just need to obey. Jesus is the head of the congregation. He is the one who will remove the lampstand of any congregation not submissive to him. Until then you have to find an organization, claim this one as the one God is using and directing by Christ Jesus and then submit to the theocratic order required.

I think it's interesting that opposers never call to mind how David felt about taking action against King Saul, never mind his disposition, his character or his disobedience. He waited for Jehovah to deal w/Saul. Sure, he removed himself from the persecution directed at him by Saul for a time and perhaps some who have withdrawn mentally or physically (or both) because or real or imagined persecution have done the same, yet can any of these say that any elder tried to pin them to a wall with a spear or hunt them down to try to kill them?

Some arguments matter to some listeners, and some don’t. It is, of course, difficult to always explain why this happens.
If we are going to judge their participation in the forum from the aspect of WTJWorg publications asking their members not to have contact with people who are “marked” by your organization, then you are right.
If we look at their participation from the aspect of various Bible reports and lessons, then their participation and interaction with people who have different attitudes and opinions is not forbidden. Forum members should judge for themselves who they will talk to and what they will talk about.
Take for example the conversation in Eden. There is no account from the book of Genesis in which God condemned Eve for talking to the Serpent. Nor did he condemn Adam for talking to Eve who was talking to the Serpent. He convicted them of actions that were not of a verbal nature.

I do wish that those people obsessed with AN ORGANISATION, would tell me, in chronological order, which Organisations Almighty God was using from the year 100 through to the year 1850. 
All complete names of ALL the organisations, with dates from and to, please.  I look forward to your thorough reply, because you people seem to be so confident that you have these answers. 

This is not really a serious topic, it's more of, Have you ever heard of such a thing ?
My son who is 26 and spends a lot of time 'online,' came to me with an unusual topic of discussion.
He has been reading online that, there are people which believe that where the Hebrew scriptures mention homosexuality, it is really talking about pedophilia.
He says that he has read, that a scripture about 'a man laying with a man' should be put to death, actually reads that 'a man laying with a young boy' should be put to death. 
It seems to imply that some people are saying it refers to pedophilia not homosexuality. 
I haven't investigated it at all for a couple of reasons.
1. From my viewpoint we do not live by the Hebrew / Mosaic Law, we live by the Bible principles given through Christ and the Apostles, recorded in the Greek scriptures.
2. I think those people involved in this 'way of thinking'  are trying to justify homosexuality, and I know that Almighty God hates / condemns homosexuality as shown in Romans 1 verses 24 through 27.
The point of the topic is that i had never heard of people using the 'reasoning' that the Hebrew scriptures referred to pedophilia not homosexuality. 
Any thought ?