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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Musing on prayer   
    I can't be a villain then as I don't particularly want the downfall of the JW Org, even though it's not Almighty God's organisation at this moment in time.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Is that blasphemy ?  And if Russell was being guided by God through Christ, Russell would never have done it. I think this is another proof that Russell did not have God's guidance. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Oh dear, when are the men in white coats coming to get you. 
    If, and it's a big IF, anyone could feel Jesus' presence, it would only be the True Anointed, because Jesus said when two or more of them gather together, he would be there amongst them. That is why your GB doesn't want the Anointed to gather together. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Ah well—if he did he took it back, didn’t he? All’s well.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Just for a laugh, people should know that Russell did also claim to be "The Christ." He claimed that all 144,001 members of Christ's body were "The Christ."
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Musing on prayer   
    An olive branch from 4Jah? I’ll take it. It doesn’t happen too often.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Musing on prayer   
    Nothing to do with not being transparent. It's quite normal if someone wants to be part of a club,  they have to meet club rules. The JW only club is just that: for JWs only. Nothing dishonest or secretive about that. The scripure you quote applies to relationships and interactions with people, even then, the scripture doesn't mean you have to indiscriminately tell everyone everything. You have examples in the Bible where faithful servants of God did not say everything they knew. There is a time to speak, and a time to be quiet.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Musing on prayer   
    Yeah—I don’t really have a problem with it, though it’s not occurred to me to do it myself. We train our conscience by Bible principles and then in accord with our best judgment use it as our guide. 
    It reminds me a little of a friend whose teenage son wanted to join the high-school golf team. He knew his boy, he knew the specifics, but he also knew that others would stampede him with their “concern” over whether this was a good course. “Look just do it,” he told the kid, “and don’t blow a trumpet over it.” 
    It is one of those foibles that happens in any collection of humans. You never quite know the line between genuine godly counsel and minding your own business. You could rail against it as “control” or “hypocrisy” or whatever the malcontents might do here, but it is just human relations that must be navigated anywhere, a bit more intense here because we are, as one circuit overseer put it, one large, united, productive, happy, somewhat dysfunctional family. Aren’t we all?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Musing on prayer   
    You have to admit, though that if you think of Jesus as a High Priest and you going to him with a sacrifice to offer on your behalf to Jehovah, you'd make eye contact and speak to him. I mean it's not like he's a guard at Buckingham Palace. It also says he's a high priest who isn't unaware of our own failings, so maybe the need for some chattiness is understandable too. I'm not really worried about what any other human has to say about all this. Like somehow I'm asking any human for permission on any of this - quite frankly I'm not. I also know that people are going to do what they're going to do no matter what I say or don't say. I just know that absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence when it comes to prayer.  (Plus any reading of Hebrews would lead one to imagine that there would be some communication w/Jesus for him to "sympathize with us" as a "high priest" on our behalf w/Jehovah. Still in public I'll pick one or two things I feel the congregation can say amen to and get off the platform and not ramble on like some pharisee...BUT when I'm in my private chamber....different matter I may ramble.)
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Musing on prayer   
    The one who I said. She is too much. She defines the expression “waterless cloud,” drowning everyone in gallons of verse, but then not being guided by them.
    Someone says, “but I want to talk to Jesus.” Rather than be guided by scripture which, strangely or not, seems to make no allowance for it, she spins a gooey human analogy. You can speak to anyone you want, she says (and you join her) Sometimes a child has to speak with daddy, sometimes mommy, sometimes grandpa. It’s enough to make a guy heave. 
    Go with the scriptures. If they seem counterintuitive, as they might in this case, see if you can get your heart and head around how they still are the arrangement and still for the best. Don’t say, Well I want to talk to Jesus, and to say I shouldn’t is unloving, and we know that God is not unloving so that must mean I can talk to Jesus whenever I want.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    Approved? No "transparency" than? As people today would say. You know, today is modern to be "transparent"   
    But, let us go to old wording and same meaning: "Be honest in all things" Heb 13:18 ... and let people know what are you speaking and thinking and doing.  Let it be known for all to see, without limit.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Musing on prayer   
    Yes and no. You have to be approved to join the JW Only club first in order to read the contents and comment. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Musing on prayer   
    @TrueTomHarley  When "They (GB) speak", members are reminded to have full trust in GB  (and their words), and not to question "instructions" because WT Study Edition gave lesson:  All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or  human  standpoint or not. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pl/r1/lp-e?q=w13 11%2F15 20
    Who is "too much", TTH ?  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Musing on prayer   
    Why I would choose to block one villain on this forum, and not another, I don’t know. They all equally want the downfall of Jehovah’s organization.
    Were I going to do that, I would block them all by not coming to the open site. I’d stay on the closed one. As it is, I usually do with threads I originate. Yesterday I posted something on this week’s assigned Bible reading. There has been some discussion. I didn’t post it here becasue I did not want soreheads urinating on it with completely irrelevant remarks about how they think the GB is no good.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    What exactly does this last item mean ?  It's not really good English.  But the JW org has been proven to be immoral. CSA and adultery are ripe and ongoing in the JW Org. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Both these statements were made by Anna. the second one was one that i previously quoted.
    My point being that if as Anna says " It is a difficult doctrine for me (her) to accept, then it would appear she HAS put more faith in men than in God.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    YOUR GB CALL THEMSELVES THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE. 
    Your GB have stated that "GOD AND CHRIST TRUST US THEREFORE ALL JWs SHOULD TRUST US"
    ON BOTH COUNTS YOUR GB HAVE NO PROOF OF WHAT THEY SAY.
    Now tell me who's fault it is that congregants have put their trust in MEN. 
    YOUR GB DEMAND IT. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    I can feel the HATE coming from you through your words.  The whole of that comment is sick. 
    I did something better. I left the JW Org because of all the immorality and CSA they were trying to hide, and then I did, and still do, my own Bible studying and prayer to God through Christ. And I warn people about the dangers of the JW Org. However i also give people information about Almighty God and Christ, and about the coming judgement of every individual on Earth.  And I suggest to people that once they have the information that it would be good for them to read God's written word. I also make it known that once a person has the true knowledge, then it is their own responsibility to start to serve God as best they can.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    He hasn't always used organisations.  And he certainly punished the Nation of Israel in Babylon and Egypt. And surely there was a time when no known religion was serving God properly, so God would not have been using a whole organisation. A time when ordinary people were not allowed to have the Bible and it was punishable by death. 
    God and Christ do not seem to be using any organisation right now. 
    Quote, "Clearly the nominally Christian organizations have been used to one degree or another over time (wheat and weeds growing together)."
    Now this statement is interesting. So you are suggesting that other religions are wheat and weeds growing together but that the Watchtower / JW Org is just Wheat. Um, that would mean you are saying that the Harvesting has already been done
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Do you seriously believe what you've written ?  Yes of course you do.  It reminds me of the Elder that phoned my wife and told her that I was disfellowshipped. When she told that Elder that I had left of my own choice, he replied, "It's all the same to us". 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Very good article and so is the following one.  It was nice to read simple truth without hype. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Loving the GB and the JW org is not going to make you into a living person either. And that has been clearly proven many times by many people.  
     
    His original comment said that when a large group of people gather together they cause trouble / behave badly.  He didn't even mention them being a religious group of people. So my example fitted the bill.  It wasn't until his next comment that he mentioned both a 'group of people' and, a religion.  
    I think it has been proven beyond doubt, to people that are realistic, that JWs are no better as individuals or as a group, than anyone else. @Witness shared a great link to a religion that gives very practical help to people at this time.  @JW Insider shared some information that puts the JW org on a parr with other religions, but no better.  And you yourself know of some details about the JW Org that you do not fully approve of.  (Things you have written a long time ago).  So, take off the 'rose tinted spectacles' and look at the Watchtower / GB / JW Org from a realistic, truthful perspective. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    I also recognize the need for organization.  But I note here you say "the need for organization", NOT the need for AN Organsation.  You are so sly with your words.  I obey laws of the land and observe common decency and therefore I follow the organisation of the land I live in, because the laws and common decency are organised.  But that does not make me part of AN Organisation.  
    This is not so. Because at this time there is NO Organisation serving God properly. So why would i want to deliberately displease God and Christ ?  BUT I do expect an  organisation that is pleasing to God and Christ to 'appear' long before Armageddon. Whether that will be a cleansed organsation that already exists, or a newly formed organsation I do not know. And whether i will still be alive to see it I do not know either. At 71 I'm living on 'borrowed time' already.  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    And when do you predict this Harvest starting ? 
     
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