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They have to be, they NEED the money.  It's only your GB that say that the anointed are mentally ill. 

I think this is proof enough that John Butler DID NOT threaten the life of anyone. 
Therefore John Butler WAS removed because of BillyTheKid46 complaints. 
John Butler was clearly referring to an action that would be either by Angels or by God's Holy Spirit. 
The Librarian obviously knew this so it seems that JB was removed WITHOUT WARNING, just to please BTK.
All JB meant was that God is capable of doing anything God wishes to do. 
If believing that God CAN do miracles is a 'fantasy' in your eyes, then you have lost faith in God And Christ. 
And if you believe that God will continue to allow the stumbling of people that want to serve HIM, then I do believe you are in for a shock. 

@César Chávez  Never answers questions directly, but slyly moves sideways to avoid the issues. This is typical JW practice, although i do not think CC is actually a JW at all.
I'm not actually sure what this is all about. CC unfortunately acts like a child in a tantrum throwing his toys out of the pram. 
I've no idea who i am 'supposed to be' inciting to damage, hurt or kill others.  Whereas the GB / Leaders of JW Org do incite the Elders to 'spiritually kill' congregants.  And to the point of giving orders 'not to contact people that have left the org, or have been de/fed', the GB & Co are guilty of the loss of life of those that commit suicide because of their 'orders'. 

Thanks for another laugh @César Chávez.  I'm sure other people will laugh at you too. 
Did John Butler 'threaten' the GB. I note you put it in inverted commas.  No one covered for him, you (BillytheKid) complained so much he was d/fed from the forum. 
But do tell me, was it hate speech when Jesus condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites, white washed graves, ect ? 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovahs-witness-congregation-blamed-for-rape-8v7m70jcp
The Charity Commission has accused the Jehovah’s Witnesses of resisting a child protection inquiry
 
A Jehovah’s Witness congregation was responsible for the rape of a young woman because of the power male “elders” wielded over “sheep-like” members, the Court of Appeal ruled.
The victim had complained about Mark Sewell’s kissing and innuendo but was urged to show “compassion” by his father, who, like Sewell, was an elder at the church in south Wales.
The Charity Commission has also claimed that the church nationally was frustrating attempts to investigate its child protection procedures.
The victim of Sewell’s rape, known as Mrs B, did not report the attack to the church authorities until she discovered that he was sexually abusing a girl whose father was also an elder. A “judicial committee” of elders from another congregation questioned Mrs B ..........
Why Respect Authority? - JW.ORG
www.jw.org/.../in-gods-love/why-respect-authority Christians obey the instruction found at Romans 13:1-7. (Read.) We respect “the superior authorities” and obey the laws of the country or community where we live. These laws may affect our family, business, or possessions. For example, we pay taxes and provide information that the government requires.
The Charity Commission has accused the Jehovah’s Witnesses of resisting a child protection inquiry
You decide who is telling the truth here  
 

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/160238/jehovahs-witnesses-given-e12000-fine-for-incitement-to-hatred-against-ex-members-ghent-correctional-court-unia-shunning-policy/
The Jehovah’s Witnesses in Belgium must pay a €12,000 fine for the systematic and “disturbing” exclusion of ex-members who have left the organisation, the Ghent correctional court ruled on Tuesday.
The court ruled that the non-profit association behind Jehovah’s Witnesses is guilty of inciting discrimination and hatred or violence against former members, reports the Belga news agency.
“The Jehovah’s Witnesses’ shunning policy cuts to the very core of relationships, and the victims suffer both physical and psychological consequences,” one of the lawyers of the civil parties said during the trial last month.
He claimed that once the members had left the group, they were disowned and completely isolated socially, by order of the organisation.
The Ghent public prosecutor’s office summoned the Jehovah’s Witnesses for four charges: incitement to discrimination on the basis of religious belief against a person, and against a group, as well as incitement to hatred or violence against a person, and against a group.
Jehovah’s Witnesses state that ex-members should be shunned like the plague,” said lawyer Pieter-Bram Lagae, who assists the ex-witness who started the case.
“He used to sit on the Jehovah’s Judicial Committee and help decide on exclusions, until he realised it was going too far,” Lagae said. “We act, for example, for a man whose wife is still a member, and he is ignored in his own home. Or a woman who has never seen her father since the exclusion.”
“This is just the start,” former Jehovah’s Witnesses member Patrick Haeck told Het Nieuwsblad. “We are going to the European Court. This has to stop everywhere.”
 
 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovahs-witness-congregation-blamed-for-rape-8v7m70jcp
The Charity Commission has accused the Jehovah’s Witnesses of resisting a child protection inquiry
 
A Jehovah’s Witness congregation was responsible for the rape of a young woman because of the power male “elders” wielded over “sheep-like” members, the Court of Appeal ruled.
The victim had complained about Mark Sewell’s kissing and innuendo but was urged to show “compassion” by his father, who, like Sewell, was an elder at the church in south Wales.
The Charity Commission has also claimed that the church nationally was frustrating attempts to investigate its child protection procedures.
The victim of Sewell’s rape, known as Mrs B, did not report the attack to the church authorities until she discovered that he was sexually abusing a girl whose father was also an elder. A “judicial committee” of elders from another congregation questioned Mrs B ..........
Why Respect Authority? - JW.ORG
www.jw.org/.../in-gods-love/why-respect-authority Christians obey the instruction found at Romans 13:1-7. (Read.) We respect “the superior authorities” and obey the laws of the country or community where we live. These laws may affect our family, business, or possessions. For example, we pay taxes and provide information that the government requires.
The Charity Commission has accused the Jehovah’s Witnesses of resisting a child protection inquiry
You decide who is telling the truth here  
 

I don't believe publications, I read them and make up my own mind. The publications themselves along with the publishers don't claim to be prophets. It's opposers who get hung up on punctuation because they don't get that it's all wheat and weeds until the harvest. Opposers think it should all be wheat. But then again they reject the bible too.
This is the same style of argument you see in politics. Like say you might say that you're a democrat, and I say "So you're the party of slavery!" and then you say "I don't believe that!" and I say "Yeah, well all the slave holders were democrats. Republicans were the ones who opposed slavery."
Thus someone quotes C. T. Russell or some other older pub.
 
 
 

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/160238/jehovahs-witnesses-given-e12000-fine-for-incitement-to-hatred-against-ex-members-ghent-correctional-court-unia-shunning-policy/
The Jehovah’s Witnesses in Belgium must pay a €12,000 fine for the systematic and “disturbing” exclusion of ex-members who have left the organisation, the Ghent correctional court ruled on Tuesday.
The court ruled that the non-profit association behind Jehovah’s Witnesses is guilty of inciting discrimination and hatred or violence against former members, reports the Belga news agency.
“The Jehovah’s Witnesses’ shunning policy cuts to the very core of relationships, and the victims suffer both physical and psychological consequences,” one of the lawyers of the civil parties said during the trial last month.
He claimed that once the members had left the group, they were disowned and completely isolated socially, by order of the organisation.
The Ghent public prosecutor’s office summoned the Jehovah’s Witnesses for four charges: incitement to discrimination on the basis of religious belief against a person, and against a group, as well as incitement to hatred or violence against a person, and against a group.
Jehovah’s Witnesses state that ex-members should be shunned like the plague,” said lawyer Pieter-Bram Lagae, who assists the ex-witness who started the case.
“He used to sit on the Jehovah’s Judicial Committee and help decide on exclusions, until he realised it was going too far,” Lagae said. “We act, for example, for a man whose wife is still a member, and he is ignored in his own home. Or a woman who has never seen her father since the exclusion.”
“This is just the start,” former Jehovah’s Witnesses member Patrick Haeck told Het Nieuwsblad. “We are going to the European Court. This has to stop everywhere.”
 
 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovahs-witness-congregation-blamed-for-rape-8v7m70jcp
The Charity Commission has accused the Jehovah’s Witnesses of resisting a child protection inquiry
 
A Jehovah’s Witness congregation was responsible for the rape of a young woman because of the power male “elders” wielded over “sheep-like” members, the Court of Appeal ruled.
The victim had complained about Mark Sewell’s kissing and innuendo but was urged to show “compassion” by his father, who, like Sewell, was an elder at the church in south Wales.
The Charity Commission has also claimed that the church nationally was frustrating attempts to investigate its child protection procedures.
The victim of Sewell’s rape, known as Mrs B, did not report the attack to the church authorities until she discovered that he was sexually abusing a girl whose father was also an elder. A “judicial committee” of elders from another congregation questioned Mrs B ..........
Why Respect Authority? - JW.ORG
www.jw.org/.../in-gods-love/why-respect-authority Christians obey the instruction found at Romans 13:1-7. (Read.) We respect “the superior authorities” and obey the laws of the country or community where we live. These laws may affect our family, business, or possessions. For example, we pay taxes and provide information that the government requires.
The Charity Commission has accused the Jehovah’s Witnesses of resisting a child protection inquiry
You decide who is telling the truth here  
 

https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/160238/jehovahs-witnesses-given-e12000-fine-for-incitement-to-hatred-against-ex-members-ghent-correctional-court-unia-shunning-policy/
The Jehovah’s Witnesses in Belgium must pay a €12,000 fine for the systematic and “disturbing” exclusion of ex-members who have left the organisation, the Ghent correctional court ruled on Tuesday.
The court ruled that the non-profit association behind Jehovah’s Witnesses is guilty of inciting discrimination and hatred or violence against former members, reports the Belga news agency.
“The Jehovah’s Witnesses’ shunning policy cuts to the very core of relationships, and the victims suffer both physical and psychological consequences,” one of the lawyers of the civil parties said during the trial last month.
He claimed that once the members had left the group, they were disowned and completely isolated socially, by order of the organisation.
The Ghent public prosecutor’s office summoned the Jehovah’s Witnesses for four charges: incitement to discrimination on the basis of religious belief against a person, and against a group, as well as incitement to hatred or violence against a person, and against a group.
Jehovah’s Witnesses state that ex-members should be shunned like the plague,” said lawyer Pieter-Bram Lagae, who assists the ex-witness who started the case.
“He used to sit on the Jehovah’s Judicial Committee and help decide on exclusions, until he realised it was going too far,” Lagae said. “We act, for example, for a man whose wife is still a member, and he is ignored in his own home. Or a woman who has never seen her father since the exclusion.”
“This is just the start,” former Jehovah’s Witnesses member Patrick Haeck told Het Nieuwsblad. “We are going to the European Court. This has to stop everywhere.”
 
 

There's no shortage of mentally ill people among JW's that's for sure. Shows what a tolerant and welcoming lot they are.

I might even get in trouble for this because no one gave me permission to capture images of posts. But I promise The Librarian and admin(s?) that this is the only place I will do this (for this particular topic). Here is an image of BillyTheKid (Cesar Chavez) responding to the words of John Butler (4Jah2me) and another image in response to action taken by The Librarian:
Personally, I believe that the words from John Butler did not constitute a specific imminent threat, but they still reveal something dangerous. Even if it only reveals a "fantasy" that God by some miracle will "one day soon" find a way to kill a specific group of people, this fantasy may result in someone acting on it. If I were the forum owner/admin, I would have removed it and given the person a warning because the death fantasy is about a specific group of identifiable individuals. In this case I think BTK46 did the right thing to bring it to the attention of the forum owners. If they had allowed the continued promotion of these ideas, they could possibly even be held liable if someone had acted upon the fantasy.
I am only repeating two of the posts here because they put JB's words in an expository context, and they are being rightly confronted by BTK46 in this case.

 

To some extent. So, I see that Jesus pronounced condemnation (judgment). Did Jesus hate them? I don’t know much about it. I don’t know anything about how He felt about that feeling (hate). Maybe somewhere in the Bible it says that Jesus hated someone? I don't know.
But I know something else. Jesus sat at the table with some "sort of sinners". He ate, drank, talked, and even felt good with them. He also accepted the Pharisees' invitation to dinner and fellowship at the Pharisee's house. 
On other hand, he probably didn't hang out with "some other sort of sinners". Both "group of sinners" belonged to one congregation - the Jewish people.
It seems to me that His choice of whom to associate with was not about what  kind of sin particular individual done, but what He thought about sinner who was in question. But maybe I’m wrong, I’m not very familiar with this kind of topic. It would be good to hear more thoughts from others about it. 
 What is this? Hate speech, Judgmental speech, Command speech? :))
I will use what @Witness comment on other topic. 
 Tony Morris:
“The final end of God’s enemies.  It can be very encouraging, albeit sobering…(Ps 37:20) Since they’re Jehovahs enemies, and Jehovah is our best friend, that means they’re our enemies. How we look forward to these enemies of Jehovah, our enemies vanishing like smoke.   
Fire would be a suitable means of eliminating such refuse.  What the fire would not consume the maggots would.  Now, I don’t know if you know much about maggots, you see a whole bunch of them…it’s not a pleasant sight; but what a fitting picture of the final end of all of God’s enemies. 
 
Sobering yet something we look forward to.
…they’re finally gonna be gone, all these despicable enemies that have just reproached Jehovah’s name, destroyed, never ever to live again.  Now its not that we rejoice in someone’s death, but when it comes to God’s enemies, finally, they’re out of the way…especially these despicable apostates who at one point had dedicated their life to God and then they joined forces with Satan the devil, the chief apostate of all time.” 
And also what @Kick_Faceinatorfind in WT magazine (in same topic):
Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19
Here we have both in GB - hate and judgment. 

@César Chávez  Never answers questions directly, but slyly moves sideways to avoid the issues. This is typical JW practice, although i do not think CC is actually a JW at all.
I'm not actually sure what this is all about. CC unfortunately acts like a child in a tantrum throwing his toys out of the pram. 
I've no idea who i am 'supposed to be' inciting to damage, hurt or kill others.  Whereas the GB / Leaders of JW Org do incite the Elders to 'spiritually kill' congregants.  And to the point of giving orders 'not to contact people that have left the org, or have been de/fed', the GB & Co are guilty of the loss of life of those that commit suicide because of their 'orders'. 

I was on a Facebook page earlier today and had the chance to give people information as to why world conditions are so bad and what was to happen in the future. A lady responded to me and agreed with my comment. Then she gave information about her 15 year old daughter that wants to become 'a man'. This lady is so distraught because no one will listen to her. The girl's school, the NHS, everyone, is saying let the girl make her own choice. This child is 15 years old. Her mum wants to do what is right. Everyone else just wants to follow the ways of the world and encourage this young girl to have a sex change. 
My biggest disappointment here is that I could not direct this lady to the JW Org, because the Org is so immoral itself. Instead of concentrating on doing God's will, the GB has taken two lines of action. One is to pretend it knows so much, when in truth it knows so little. The other is to 'reign down fire' on anyone that has left the Org or dares to speak against the Org. The GB and their helpers, that could have helped people find the right road, are guilty of stumbling people searching for God. Because of their pigheaded, run ahead, selfish actions, the GB & Co have turned the Watchtower / JW Org into something that can no longer be trusted, and into a laughing stock of false predictions. In fact the GB & Co are blood guilty. 

You seem to emulate the opinion of your leader, Tony Morris:
“The final end of God’s enemies.  It can be very encouraging, albeit sobering…(Ps 37:20) Since they’re Jehovahs enemies, and Jehovah is our best friend, that means they’re our enemies. How we look forward to these enemies of Jehovah, our enemies vanishing like smoke.   
Fire would be a suitable means of eliminating such refuse.  What the fire would not consume the maggots would.  Now, I don’t know if you know much about maggots, you see a whole bunch of them…it’s not a pleasant sight; but what a fitting picture of the final end of all of God’s enemies. 
Sobering yet something we look forward to.
…they’re finally gonna be gone, all these despicable enemies that have just reproached Jehovah’s name, destroyed, never ever to live again.  Now its not that we rejoice in someone’s death, but when it comes to God’s enemies, finally, they’re out of the way…especially these despicable apostates who at one point had dedicated their life to God and then they joined forces with Satan the devil, the chief apostate of all time.” 
The match trick followed.  His words slurred a few times during his speech.   I'm sure there's a very valid reason for that.   Perhaps he should take your advice and focus on his own offensive, disgusting behavior deviating from God's standards, presuming to be clean and already "saved", I'll add.  
I do believe he means those  who “at one point” had dedicated their lives to the organization.  Yet, it is very true, once many people are done with the Wt., they become atheists.  They had enough of oppressive religion built on lies.  

Hate speech or judgment speech?
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? matt 23

Again, I have never seen aggression as your describing. and are you aware the watchtower is claiming they are clergy in court cases?

I just think of the scripture that says "the taking of offense rests in the bosom of the stupid ones"

xero Introducing comment:
I was an atheist visiting the KH w/my gf who was studying, and I observed them for months and also went to a day of a district convention when it struck me what was most different about JW's was that their behavior improved to the extent that they got together as a group. This I contrasted with every other group I'd been with. To the extent the group grew in size, to that extent it became unruly and more badly behaved.
...their behavior improved to the extent that they got together as a group.
As a non JW, from your observation, you concluded (i guess or perhaps i am wrong because don't understand English enough) that (previously "bad") individuals were getting better and better persons and that motivated them to start hanging out with each other at the public meetings (JW public group meetings, not some other group as you suggest). And second option of my understanding is, that you described how they in such mutual socializing grew in size and grew in more better behavior (to each other, of course). Am i going in direction of your thoughts?
This I contrasted with every other group I'd been with. To the extent the group grew in size, to that extent it became unruly and more badly behaved.
 Here I would like to ask: With how many groups you had been? And with what kind of groups?
As an aside, people who are offended or disgusted by the behavior of other people are often putting themselves in the judgment seat.
How do you feel about behavior of other people who doing something that you do not approve?
There is a natural disgust reflex, but the opposer especially the moral opposer who places themselves in the judgment seat often has an unnatural and self induced disgust based on his or her own presumptuous standards.
You made general rule (idea) how people normal reaction is to be disgust with some other people actions in word or deed. But after this sort of amnesty for all, how we all have right to be disgusted by other people behavior, you started to speak about "opposer", and how such "sort" of people are not just in possession of "disgust reflex", but that they "seat in judgment seat". Who are "opposer" in your thought stream? How you came to such "judgment"?  Is your judgment based on...... 
... own presumptuous standards.
....or on WTJWorg group standards that carry "judgment for all who don't accept JW religious standards"?
Does your JW group standard bring judgment how only  WTJWorg is clean and all other are filthy?

I agree that what you said at first, and it is probably true quite often. But I honestly couldn't tell if you were trying to be funny or ironic when you appeared to be coming "full circle" by putting yourself in the judgment seat to judge these behaviors of others as even more filthy, offensive and disgusting.

If a person didn't judge in some way then they would not know right from wrong.  For instance if a person didn't judge they could simply become a Catholic, maybe because their parents were or a friend is.  And be honest the GB / JW Org has judged the Catholic church and other religions many times. Some JWs on here regularly judge other religions when making comparison to JW Org.  
And being disgusted by Pedophilia seems right in my eyes, as I'm sure it is in the eyes of God and Christ. 

Is there one ?  Certainly not a JW Kingdom Hall where pedophiles frequent. 
 
The scriptures say that God takes NO pleasure in the death of anybody. Whereas the GB and it's many companies seem to take pleasure in threatening ex congregants in any way they can.  And try to blackmail other people into joining those companies / orgs.
 

Is there one ?  Certainly not a JW Kingdom Hall where pedophiles frequent. 
 
The scriptures say that God takes NO pleasure in the death of anybody. Whereas the GB and it's many companies seem to take pleasure in threatening ex congregants in any way they can.  And try to blackmail other people into joining those companies / orgs.