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Patiently waiting for Truth

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    As an aside, people who are offended or disgusted by the behavior of other people are often putting themselves in the judgment seat. There is a natural disgust reflex, but the opposer especially the moral opposer who places themselves in the judgment seat often has an unnatural and self induced disgust based on his or her own presumptuous standards. In truth, they have no right to be offended or disgusted by anything but themselves as they fall short of Jehovah's standards. Of course rather than focusing on their own offensive, disgusting behavior from Jehovah's standards, they presume to be clean. In this presumption they are the filthiest of them all and the most disgusting.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Right before Peter said those words, he told the people…
    Jesus is
    “‘the stone you builders rejected,
        which has become the cornerstone.’  Acts 4:11
    The organization is observable, and the leadership’s visibility is well seen through their broadcasts.  They magnify themselves and their great building attempts; all in the name of “Jehovah”.  There is promise of a token contribution to Jesus by a coming video production on his life.  Yet, the organization also explained that it felt there was too much emphasis made on the name of Jesus in the early years, so a change to more emphasis on the name, “Jehovah” was established.  What audacity.  There is no comparison of the early apostles’ teachings about Christ, to the teachings of the organization’s leaders. 
    So, where is the chief cornerstone?  Is Jesus the cornerstone of a physical organization? He is the cornerstone of God’s spiritual Temple, built with “living stones”. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) How disgusting to think that Jesus would be proud of earthly possessions – the same possessions that Satan offered him in the wilderness.  (Matt 6:21; Luke 4:5-7)
    The chief cornerstone of the organization are false christs – false teachers/prophets.  (Matt 24:24,11-13; Luke 21:8)
    How I wish JWs would turn to Christ and reject these deceitful men.  As you say, it is Jesus who grants us salvation through obedience to him.  But JWs obey what and who they physically see.  
    Do we really want to stand before Christ during judgment to hear him say, “I never knew you” because we rejected him as the chief cornerstone of the Temple built on his body?  (Matt 7:21-23)
     
    The stone the builders rejected
        has become the cornerstone;
    23 the Lord has done this,
        and it is marvelous in our eyes.
    24 The Lord has done it this very day;
        let us rejoice today and be glad.  Ps 118:22-24
    "the builders rejected"  
    How telling is that!  The builders are busy building Ramapo with slave labor and treasures on earth!
    Glory
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Not really. Somewhere down the line watchtower got mixed up in thinking their organization can offer the same salvation as Jesus Christ. According to the Bible, it’s only Jesus Christ who can save. “Only Jesus has the power to save! His name is the only one in all the world that can save anyone” Acts 4:12 [CEV]
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Sure. Maybe God will prove to be a soft touch. He sure did with Nineveh. All you had to do is not know your left hand from your right and there are many here that meet those qualifications. Plus, there are some who are dumber than domestic animals, fulfilling the second portion of the verse. Still, I see no reason to take any chances and not hang out in the place of known safety.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    I can feel the HATE coming from you through your words.  The whole of that comment is sick. 
    I did something better. I left the JW Org because of all the immorality and CSA they were trying to hide, and then I did, and still do, my own Bible studying and prayer to God through Christ. And I warn people about the dangers of the JW Org. However i also give people information about Almighty God and Christ, and about the coming judgement of every individual on Earth.  And I suggest to people that once they have the information that it would be good for them to read God's written word. I also make it known that once a person has the true knowledge, then it is their own responsibility to start to serve God as best they can.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    I can feel the HATE coming from you through your words.  The whole of that comment is sick. 
    I did something better. I left the JW Org because of all the immorality and CSA they were trying to hide, and then I did, and still do, my own Bible studying and prayer to God through Christ. And I warn people about the dangers of the JW Org. However i also give people information about Almighty God and Christ, and about the coming judgement of every individual on Earth.  And I suggest to people that once they have the information that it would be good for them to read God's written word. I also make it known that once a person has the true knowledge, then it is their own responsibility to start to serve God as best they can.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    He hasn't always used organisations.  And he certainly punished the Nation of Israel in Babylon and Egypt. And surely there was a time when no known religion was serving God properly, so God would not have been using a whole organisation. A time when ordinary people were not allowed to have the Bible and it was punishable by death. 
    God and Christ do not seem to be using any organisation right now. 
    Quote, "Clearly the nominally Christian organizations have been used to one degree or another over time (wheat and weeds growing together)."
    Now this statement is interesting. So you are suggesting that other religions are wheat and weeds growing together but that the Watchtower / JW Org is just Wheat. Um, that would mean you are saying that the Harvesting has already been done
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Do you seriously believe what you've written ?  Yes of course you do.  It reminds me of the Elder that phoned my wife and told her that I was disfellowshipped. When she told that Elder that I had left of my own choice, he replied, "It's all the same to us". 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Kick_Faceinator in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    The Watchtower teaches:
    "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19
    According to Watchtower doctrine, this means all those disfellowshipped by the elder body and announced from the platform as “no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”, would ultimately be sentenced to death stripping any future prospect of life for that person. In effect, the elder body actually believe they have the right to “save your soul”.
  10. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Please don't bother anymore, I've gotten enough from you so far. :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    It looks like you are amending your idea somewhat from the first statement.  
    Noah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, the minor prophets, John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, the apostles.  These were opposers who spoke against the majority, cutting to the chase by proclaiming the sins of the world around them - the sins of their own people.
    None of them had money, none answered to an established earthly organization. None were waited on daily by servants who provided all of their needs, like your organization’s leaders. None of them dressed up in the finest clothing.   But, all were spiritual men inspired by the Holy Spirit. 
    Isn’t it amazing that God can choose whom He wants to proclaim His will without the use of an earthly organization?  He has a history of doing this, but we don't see a written history of His using an organization.  
    There is a valid account of a family in the mid 1800’s who lived a life of homesteading, as thousands have over the years.  They had a Bible that they read out of each day and they tried to live their life by it.  An earthly worldly organization wasn’t necessary to bring them the scriptures. 
    I think as an elder, you desire the position you have as a “natural man” appointed with authority in the organization.  (1 Cor 2:12-16)  It's hard to let go of a life that rewards one's personal esteem.  (Matt 16:25)
    “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
        neither are your ways my ways,”
    declares the Lord.
    9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
        so are my ways higher than your ways
        and my thoughts than your thoughts.”  Isa 55:8,9
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    I can feel the HATE coming from you through your words.  The whole of that comment is sick. 
    I did something better. I left the JW Org because of all the immorality and CSA they were trying to hide, and then I did, and still do, my own Bible studying and prayer to God through Christ. And I warn people about the dangers of the JW Org. However i also give people information about Almighty God and Christ, and about the coming judgement of every individual on Earth.  And I suggest to people that once they have the information that it would be good for them to read God's written word. I also make it known that once a person has the true knowledge, then it is their own responsibility to start to serve God as best they can.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    1) Is God using this/or that organization, like I might use a stick to get some crap off my nikes after a trail run, after which I have no use for the stick?
    Weird idea? Shows that God is monster.
    2) Does this organization assent that it is being used by Jehovah?
    If God somehow created "the organization" aka WTJWorg, what do you mean with this question? "Clay" is not asked what it (clay) wants to be.
    3) Does this organization have Jehovah's approval?
    You ask wrong person. Ask God for that answer.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    So, the whole "world started spinning" in 1879 with the founding of WT? :)))
    ... internet source about game:
    Play starts when object is thrown into the air. Players may either snatch object out of the air or wait until it lands. If the object lands, the person closest to it MUST pick it up. (Group will use judgement, or someone who wants it can just pick it up.) Once a player is in posession of the object, they try not to get tackled. Once tackled, the object is thrown into the air (or at a particular person) and the game starts over. Play usually ends when everyone is tired or when someone gets hurt.
    Play usually ends when everyone is tired or when someone gets hurt.
    Good lesson! Good message! :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Give me a minute please. ..... In the past He had contacts with individuals, families, tribes, the people of the Jews. I don’t remember any biblical account that he used something that/like we call “organization” today. Of course, an individual can be organized. The family can be organized. The people can be organized.
    In conclusion, I can say that God can use anything he wants to do his will. Does God use "the organization" to which the JWs belong from 1879/1935?
    How about a counter-question? Does God use secular organizations?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Let's cut to the chase. Opposers can go pound sand.  Opposers wouldn't know squat about the Bible if there wasn't an organization to superintend its preservation and transmission to the present. Opposers wouldn't have known enough to bother with learning about the Bible were it not for organizations existing to push doctrine. Opposers can't exist without an organization to oppose. So nothing is useful about opposers. These exist as parasites feeding off the real or imagined deficiencies of organizations.
    For them to become useful is to become yet ANOTHER organization from whom will rise yet more opposers.
    But opposers are ultimately cowards and lazy as it's easy to complain and point out real or imagined deficiencies, but these either can't or won't do anything to do better.
    We used to play a game called "smear the queer" (in the UK it's called British Bulldog) at lunch and only the cowardly kids would refuse to play by taking the ball and running w/it. Opposers are like that.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, he presented doctrine of "light" that will shine more and more with every day, year and decade :))))
    ....and WTJWorg introduced that theory of "new light" years after, ....and advanced it to such an extent that it brought it to the status of a doctrine. The doctrines, according to which it is possible to declare previous false teachings as a "divinely guided" way of reaching the " increasing new light", without declaring the "old light"  to be a lie.
    By the way, Bible has not words such "New Light". So, words that are not in the Bible, not supports doctrine like this :))) 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    What opposers refuse to acknowledge is that Jehovah has always used organization to further his will and purposes. (they wouldn't even know anything at all without these organizations whom they've chosen to oppose and criticize) Sometimes these organizations are listening and responding as they should in our eyes and sometimes not so much. The question to answer is which organization is he using, or which organizations and to what end. Clearly the nominally Christian organizations have been used to one degree or another over time (wheat and weeds growing together). The individual (you and I) with our God-given conscience and our own responsibility have to determine which organization we will associate with and justify our choices in this regard. Suggesting that organization in unnecessary is just unscriptural idiocy.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    Very good article and so is the following one.  It was nice to read simple truth without hype. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    You are getting confused. The role of the elders is to help shepherd the sheep and protect the flock, not to judge who will gain everlasting life and who will not. If someone is disfellowshipped it is on account of known unrepentant wrong doing and according to the scriptures. Since the elders cannot read hearts, the ultimate judge will be Jesus. Which means that possibly some who are disfellowshipped may be judged worthy of life. Thankfully Jesus' got this, and if we're doing all we can to be finally found by him spotless, unblemished and in peace, no one has anything to worry about.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    He presents a false dilemma. It isn't organization vs conscience. On the other hand Jesus was right. Opposers simply want to weed the congregation out of existence. " If, though, you keep on biting and devouring one another,+ look out that you do not get annihilated by one another.' -Ga 5:15
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    So you simply want to disobey Jesus and go on with your unauthorized weeding. You left the organization because you wanted to weed it. Guess what? Not your job. Not only that, you wouldn't know what you know about the bible w/o it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    This is not true of Rambler owners, for whom life is a 24/7 love-in. Such dreamy conduct you never saw.

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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    According to Scripture? Perhaps than,  JW Judicial Committee need to be public in front congregants and other people. Role model is written in OT. Perhaps Moses Law is fulfilled in Legality and Legalism for Christians. But still, GB calls and promote OT Principles not just or only from NT. If so, please Public Hearings and Court Decisions guided by JW elders. Even secular Court in Valencia have this method.
     

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