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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    I also don't recall any Bible verse. It can be that Jesus, despite his "rebellious attitude" about Jew's customs and interpretations of "Moses's Law" (washing hands, working on Sabbath and similar) in many cases, he also didn't want to provoke spiritual leaders too much, also. If that was the case, perhaps he didn't publicly spoke God's name for same reason as all other Jews of his time. Just idea.    
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    What is silly, is putting importance on speaking or writing the word, "Jehovah" and then proclaiming that by not doing so - not speaking it, not writing it -  that person basically does not "believe", or does not have God's Holy Spirit.  
    Can you tell me where Jesus spoke God's name? 
    He carried God's name within him. 
    "Yah Will Save, Yah Saves" - The name Jesus is the Greek transliteration of either the name יהושע (Joshua) or its shortened form (ישוע) Jeshua, and consists of two elements. The first part is the appellative יה (Yah) = יהו (Yahu) = יו (Yu), which in turn are abbreviated forms of the Tetragrammaton; the name of the Lord: YHWH, or Yahweh. - https://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Jesus.html
    "And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:
    10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest."  Mark 11:9-10
    You know, JWs  (Rutherford to be precise) could have been more accurate in speaking the name of God if they did choose "Yahweh" instead of  the disastrous name,  "Jehovah".  
    What an appropriate name to attach to an organization that has caused the ruin and disaster of so many lives.
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    Are you saying that Yahweh is not English, or Yehowah.  Who's to say what is English ?  After all it is YHWH. 
    Surely by changing the letters you are changing the true meaning ?  Can you honestly say that the meaning is not changed. And how would you honestly know without the gift of Holy Spirit.  Just because some scholar says this or that. Wheras if that scholar said something else you would say they are not guided by God. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    You are so funny. You NEED to be told what name to use by MEN. A name that was invented by MEN.  A name that was invented without the guidance of Holy Spirit. But you put your faith in MEN.  I hope that God through Christ will forgive you. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    It that like the Leaders of the Watchtower repeating  predictable response patterns  about the 'last part of the last day' and the 'oh so close to the end'  and the 'you must be a JW to be saved'. Is that because they have chosen themselves as their own root.  
    Yes, seems to make sense now. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in John 2:18-20   
    How about you go to jw.org and look it up?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200021176
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    @César Chávez, you began your now deleted message reply to me, with...
    "You have poisoned his mind. The church of Christ is NOT only the anointed. It includes the priest. Who are the priest, everyone else that is NOT anointed."
    This would mean all JWs are priests.  But, have you had a change of thought on this?  Just in case you haven't...
    Who was anointed with oil?
      w74 4/15 p. 251-252 - God established a priesthood with ancient Israel, primarily in order to foreshadow his real heavenly priesthood. He selected Aaron the brother of Moses, of the tribe of Levi, as high priest. Moses anointed Aaron with oil.
    These spirit-anointed ones look forward to an actual entrance into heaven in due time. As one of their fellow priests expressed it: “This hope we have as an anchor for the soul, both sure and firm, and it enters in within the curtain, where a forerunner has entered in our behalf, Jesus, who has become a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek forever.”—Heb. 6:19, 20.
    The priesthood has over them AS THEIR HEAD, Jesus Christ – their High Priest and Head of the Body.  ( Heb 3:1; Eph 4:4,12) 
    The priests/Body of Christ are the “firstfruits” to benefit from the New Covenant. (James 1:18) They MUST ALL TEACH TRUTH to the rest of God’s children/believers in Jesus and the Father – now, and always, in the Kingdom.  (Mal 2:7)  In union with Jesus Christ, ("one body"), they are the "trees" that provide "healing of the nations". (Matt 7:18-20; Rev 22:1-5)
    What is rather amazing, is JWs fabricate their own doctrine that diverts from doctrine established (at one time) in the organization.  It seems there is “new light” emanating from the mouths of all JWs.  Yet, they will defend the organization, over defending truth in Jesus Christ.
    As you come to him, a living stone—rejected by people but chosen and honored by God— 5 you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture:
    See, I lay a stone in Zion,
    a chosen and honored cornerstone,
    and the one who believes in him
    will never be put to shame.
    7 So honor will come to you who believe; but for the unbelieving,
    The stone that the builders rejected—
    this one has become the cornerstone,
    8 and
    A stone to stumble over,
    and a rock to trip over.
    They stumble because they disobey the word; they were destined for this.
    9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood a holy nation, a people for his possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.  1 Pet 2:4-9
    The house of God is His Temple.  Only the priests are allowed to serve in the Temple.  (1 Cor 3:16) (Num 3:10; Ezek 44:5-9
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Brother Jackson is not entitled to ask nothing from ARC or from Australia government. Brother Jackson, if want change in Australia inner politic, have to vote for such change or to participate and involve himself, in democratic way, how to change legislative and laws and other social climate in society for better solutions about problem. He is not in position to demand or to suggest. He can only express his opinion. .....but as i am aware of mentality in WTJWorg GB and other Administrative staff, the practice in WTJWorg is that they expect from a government to make a decision or suggestion, and then GB says: we will accept it / we will not accept it. In such scenario GB is not interested for, what you called, "full control" from secular authorities.
    Is my statement "false or true" depends of fact in which corner you sitting and who you want to defend. But my "statement" is observation and publication of fact: WTJWorg deleted their first decision and make new statement how they will join The Redress ... now, because of (money, charity status and imagine, because of Romans 13)
    Do we have to believe how GB+Helpers+Lawyers forget about existence of Romans 13 in their first decision?  :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to lentaylor71 in The Generation of 1914 truly doesn't pass away until 2034.   
    I don't believe Jesus was referring to 2034 when he said this generation.
    The goalposts have moved many times on this subject and the GB have not been infused by the Holy Spirit regarding the 1914 and has become a problematic .
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    What is funny @César Chávez  is that you talk about " living a Christian life was too hard and not what you expected, because you lost certain human freedoms, especially those practiced in today's world of debauchery? "
    But when some one turns that full circle and mentions that the JW org is full of immorality, you don't like it. 
    This whole JW thing about the whole world being wicked, is wrong. The idea that everyone who is not a JW is part of a wicked world, is wrong.  The idea that JWs can be neutrel but no one else can, is wrong.  I'm sure there are many people that are not JWs but are good honest people with good moral standards. 
    I think this scripture is very important. Romans 2 from v 14
    For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15  They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused. 16  This will take place in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.
    This is talking about people in the 'world' that you and others accuse of being so wicked. But by being pure of heart they prove they have God's law written in their hearts. And that has nothing to de with being a JW. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    What a very sad and un-Christian outlook and judgement of people.  Your true colours xero. And you say you are an Elder. You must run a very sad congregation.
    The Jews had God but they were immoral. The JW Org pretends to have God's approval, but the Org is immoral. 
    Now as you and others think the scriptures are for everyone. Take a few lessons from this.
    Matthew 5 from verse 44
    However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45  so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46  For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47  And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48  You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
    1, Love your enemies, and those who persecute you;
    2, Jesus was making it clear here that people do love their own families. 
    So, if you 'are' a Christian then think on scripture before being so unkind to others. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Now that is funny, coming from a so called JW that belongs to an immoral Org. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    1 Corinthians 12 : 12 & 13 
     For just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ. 13  For by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit.
    THIS IS THE ANOINTED
    1 Corinthians 12 : 18
     But now God has arranged each of the body members just as he pleased.
    THIS IS STILL THE ANOINTED 
    The whole of that scripture is about the Anointed.  I'm sorry that JWs don't have the spiritual wisdom to understand that. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Unfortunately this comment of Mr Harley's shows that he has a serious problem in his life, and that problem is not me.
    Here is what i said. Plain for everyone to see. All that Tom mentions is the world Leaders, not the ordinary people living their daily lives.  And i never even mentioned trying to 'patch up the world' as Tom suggests.
    As for the Doomsday clock, it belongs to Men, not GOD. Only GOD knows the day and the hour, but Men still pretend to know. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    It's 11 am here in England. The sun is shining and i have just returned from a two hour walk.  I needed to sit and rest for a while, that's why I'm on here. So what do we find then. Wel it seems as if tom now wants to serve the Devil, and CC. is ranting and raving because he is so jealous that the scriptures are written for the True Anointed. 
    CC is trying all ways to decieve others about God's written word. But the truth is that God's written word is for the True Anointed to understand properly with the guidance of God's Holy spirt, through Jesus Christ.  I could, once again, show many scriptures to prove my point, but it is pointless and wrong to 'cast pearls before swine'. 
    CC's other pointless point about the Elders, well it's very sad. CC thinks the Elders are princes and CC believes the Elders are guided by God's Holy Spirit. CC burbles on about evidence for CSA but we all know that it has been proven that the Edlers were told to destoy evidence., and the congregations were told to keep everything 'in house'. CC really believes that the Elders are princes so lets have a scripture 
    Psalm 146 : 3 
     Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    For sure, you bring good questions. But you still want that few thousands years old rules and methods of Jews be in power today. That is why, enough hard situations for victims and wrongdoer and all beetwen, WTJWorg applicatiions of verses makes more difficult. Because they (GB and elders) navigate between sin and crime, and by that beetwen spiritual and literal punsihment, and beetwen religious and secular reality. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    I don't know what point you are trying to make, but "fellow citizens with the saints" is the merging of physical Gentiles with physical Jews to become one anointed flock under Jesus Christ. These, are spiritual "Israel".  
     So, then, remember that at one time you were Gentiles in the flesh—called “the uncircumcised” by those called “the circumcised,” which is done in the flesh by human hands. 12 At that time you were without Christ, excluded from the citizenship of Israel, and foreigners to the covenants of promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus, you who were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who made both groups one and tore down the dividing wall of hostility. In his flesh, 15 he made of no effect the law consisting of commands and expressed in regulations, so that he might create in himself one new man from the two, resulting in peace.  Eph 2:11-15
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    1 Corinthians 12 : 12 & 13 
     For just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although many, are one body, so too is the Christ. 13  For by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit.
    THIS IS THE ANOINTED
    1 Corinthians 12 : 18
     But now God has arranged each of the body members just as he pleased.
    THIS IS STILL THE ANOINTED 
    The whole of that scripture is about the Anointed.  I'm sorry that JWs don't have the spiritual wisdom to understand that. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Again, the verses: 
    (Matthew 18:15-17) 15 “Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector
    WTJWorg teaches that there are two kinds of sin: Big and small (Minor and gross). Elders do not want to deal with small sins, but say that the members need to solve them among themselves. Every great sin (serious wrongdoing) should be immediately reported to the elders (and therefore it is an assembly, elders=congregation).
    Which is why you need to solve a small problem with your brother on your own, if you might still report it to the elders and the congregation.
    Secondly, what is the use of Jesus' advice if you must not try to solve a big (gross) sin on your own with your brother, but must immediately report it to the elders?
    Read this please, and you will see how Shepherd book interpret one situation in connection to Mat 18 and not giving support to your WOW: 
    The congregation would not consider forming a judicial committee unless the offended Christian had taken steps one and two of Matthew 18:15, 16 and had initiated step three as described in Matthew 18:17.—lvs pp. 253-254. 25. If asked, elders could participate in step two, but they do not represent the body of elders. If the matter proceeds to step three, any elders who were witnesses in step two could serve only as witnesses in step three. They would not be used to serve on the judicial committee. - Shepherd 2019
    Even your publication speaking contrary to general opinion (general interpretation) about meaning of verses in Matt 18. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Try with ... to excommunicate them (dfd them) :)).
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Of course! 4Jah has made fine spiritual progress. Patch up that world! Tell Trump and Biden to get over their spat. Tell Putin to stop being mean. Tell Xi that Urgyers are people, too! Tell ISIS that we must make love, not war.
    Yes. Fix the world! That’s the answer! Why did nobody ever think of this before?
    “Tell me why you JWs always thing the world is getting worse?” someone asked me. “What is it that view does for you?”
    ”It helps me to explain why the Doomsday Clock is 30 seconds before midnight and not 10:30 AM,” I replied.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    When Bible said how "whole world is under the power of devil", that is not proof how whole world is automatically evil, but only that ruler of this World is devil. But because JW beliefs how Jesus is King from 1914, that would mean how Jesus is Ruler and how this World is under power of Jesus, too. Or not? That is question for WTJWorg Bible Scholars.
    But back to first issue. Humanity is not more or less evil because of JW interpretations. Would we say how Eve and Adam became evil because of devil question about fruit? Did the evil influence of the devil come through the question? Or through some bad mental energy? Or by spoken words? Or by visualization  with snake? 
    People are in capacity to doing bad things, but people are ready to help too. Also today, centuries after Adam and Eve perfection. So, whole world is mixed with good and evil things no matter of devil. Even in JW Spiritual Paradise we  see good and evil "fruits".
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    What is funny @César Chávez  is that you talk about " living a Christian life was too hard and not what you expected, because you lost certain human freedoms, especially those practiced in today's world of debauchery? "
    But when some one turns that full circle and mentions that the JW org is full of immorality, you don't like it. 
    This whole JW thing about the whole world being wicked, is wrong. The idea that everyone who is not a JW is part of a wicked world, is wrong.  The idea that JWs can be neutrel but no one else can, is wrong.  I'm sure there are many people that are not JWs but are good honest people with good moral standards. 
    I think this scripture is very important. Romans 2 from v 14
    For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15  They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused. 16  This will take place in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.
    This is talking about people in the 'world' that you and others accuse of being so wicked. But by being pure of heart they prove they have God's law written in their hearts. And that has nothing to de with being a JW. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    This is very serious. 
    Just speculation, but what if each of 4 letters represents one word? Similar to expresion: And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am
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