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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    Why you call my name in vain? :)))
    Children want to be like adults. Adults want their children to be like themselves or something bigger and better. Children imitate adults and accept suggestions. I think these mentioned children of JW parents are doing what their parents suggested to them.
    Sometimes it can be nice, cute, funny, fun, delighting adults and the like. This child's letter, which is presented in the topic, has at least two elements. It begins with a good introduction, then turns in a direction that is religiously marked because the child mentions the Bible in a way that is characteristic of religiously oriented people, someone who is engaged in Bible study. In other words, the sentence sounds like it was written by an adult, not a child.
    This is followed by a completely strange wording that invites the recipient of the letter to go to JWORG. This is where the child's mind, children's openness and naivety completely cease, and the influence of propaganda begins.
    So, I don’t mind children writing letters to their neighbors at a time when their surroundings are affected by some trouble, if their parents want it. It is a kind of social engagement, though religiously colored. Everyone is looking for their own meaning and purpose of life, their own way out of the problem.
    Given that this is related to WTJWorg, then this kind of action through letters can only be seen as a way of acting of a religious organization and its members who stopped going from house to house and found a substitute way of preaching.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    If he would be equally outraged at a child expressing support for his school, love for his country, support for some local cause, rallying for some local politician, selling Scout cookies, knocking on his door offering to shovel snow, & such things, then he would be consistent. However, I think most other people would tell him to get a life.
    Come come, 4Jah, you still claim to be Christian. Srecko may think evangelizing is child abuse, but you should not. What if he made no mention of jw.org, but just encouraged Bible reading, or just spoke of God and Jesus? Would you be as upset then? You’re just snarling every time you see JW.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Thank you. Every man has his nights and days.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Ray Devereaux in Edinburgh Residents targeted with handwritten letters from child members of Jehovah's Witnesses brand the move 'sick   
    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburgh-residents-targeted-with-handwritten-letters-from-child-members-of-jehovahs-witnesses-brand-the-move-sick-3153697
    Residents in Leith who received handwritten letters through their door from Jehovah’s Witnesses members as young as ten-years-old have branded the move ‘sick’.
    It has emerged that residents in Leith and other areas of the city have been targeted by the group – notorious for door-stepping – by letters written in multiple languages.
    The man, who had also received a leaflet from the group, who claim to be the ‘one true faith’, said in his comments the move was “sick”. He added: “This is indoctrination of a 10-year-old child. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are a dangerous cult.”
    full article available on link above. 
    Well I suppose the children have to get their hours in or they will counted as 'inactive' publishers. The Org needs to keep it's number up somehow. 
     

    BUT if the letters are hand written and then put through doors, they could pass on the Virus, so this might be illegal,  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    This is where a True Anointed in needed. Because your GB have placed themselves above all others by stating that Only They are the F&DS. Therefore the GB will say everyone else is wrong in their interpretation of God's word. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    This is so funny............. The GB have demoted the Anointed ones. The GB have said ONLY THEY are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. The GB have placed themselves above all other people on this Earth by saying only they are God's mouthpiece. 
    And then Anna says "If an individual feels that he is inferior spiritually to someone else"
    The GB have made everyone spiritually inferior. THE GB expects all JWs to obey them. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    .. strong words.
    Opposers argue is garbage? People's motive are garbage? Suggests that people with such emotions are garbage? JWTV replica?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    How true this is. It reminds me of the misuse of the Romans scripture regarding the Superior Authorities. 
    But xero is showing his true colours once again. Garbage ?  The GB does deny free will to anyone that becomes a member of it's Org. They even demand baptism into the Org, not to God, Christ and Holy Spirit, as Jesus instructed.
    The GB even decide what type of clothing people should wear. And oh dear, remember the Beard problem ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    I agree with the explanation you gave, supported by life situations and the possible reasons why this is happening. So, I see this: People, members, seek guidance and help from those they think are “closer to God,” that they are “more spiritual,” that they “know more,” etc.
    We need to ask ourselves how this situation comes about. Is it because of the existence of a "hierarchy", the doctrine that there are "classes" within the assembly. FDS class and non-FDS class. The clergy class and the lay class.
    As much as WTJWorg declaratively denies the existence of such differences, it still exists in JW assemblies. Clergy "exist" to give support and answer to members of laity. That is how is in all religion, so why we would expect to be different in JW church?
    On the other hand, those who give "answers" to layman's questions have created a climate in which it is "normal" for laymen to ask, and "normal" the clergy know the answers to everything. And clergy wants to know the answers to everything even when they don't really have an answer, even if they don't need to know the answer, nor if do they need to give an answer for what doesn't concern them.
    Also, Bible don't speak about things that Watchtower's "our readers ask", study editions or BOE articles answering. Private opinions made by "spiritual men" have to stay private opinions ....not teachings and doctrines and instructions.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Opposers want to argue that the WTBS has full responsibility over individual conscience and its application. That's garbage as are the motives of those who suggest the same. These would Satanically deny humans free will and the consequent responsibility.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Good explanation, for sure. But please, don't forget that we are dealing with a religious system in which rank and file need to "know" who teachers and representatives are. That is, to express ourselves in WTJWorg jargon, who is the "channel" through which "all truth and knowledge" comes. ". In this "channel" members should have confidence, trust (statements from GB+Helpers members on JWTV and in publications). Also this channel is “the only one authorized by God and Jesus”, as JW's believe, to give lessons, interpretations and direction.
    In this and such context we have to deal with your fine observation and explanation.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Let’s face it, some people are more eager to look to others for guidance than others. This has been discussed on this forum before. If an individual feels that he is inferior spiritually to someone else and wants someone else’s “spiritual opinion and guidance” then that is up to them. On the other hand, if someone is confident in their own spirituality then they might feel they should not consult with anyone else. It works both ways. You cannot lump everyone in the congregation into the same category. I have known sisters who would practically not breathe unless they asked an elder if it was OK. And I have also known sisters who were able to figure out ambiguous situations by themselves using the Bible and Bible based publications, their own conscience, and common sense. So according to your theory about a hierarchy, this would not happen. Everyone would feel they had to go and seek advice. But as it is, some people are just too lazy to do research and find answers themselves. I think this has a lot to do with personality as well....
    Jesus himself set up older men to shepherd the congregation. The elders are there to be approached with concerns or questions if we wish.  If you are really interested in what the WT actually says on the subject of elders, read this article: https://www.jw.org/hr/biblioteka/casopisi/w20130115/skupstinski-starjesine/
     
    In all the “questions readers ask” I have never seen private opinions but rather reasoning on what the Bible says. If the subject is not directly mentioned in the Bible then Bible principles are discussed. I am sure it is the same with the BOE letters. You seem to keep forgetting that the WT’s main concern is that we do not go against Jehovah’s principles. Therefor the Bible is the guiding force. The question is always: what does the Bible have to say on the matter?  Everyone who has a Bible can check for themselves.
    If someone wants to ask what does the GB say on the matter, then as long as what they have to say is based on the Bible, then that’s OK too. If we have a Bible, it is up to us to verify if what they say is based on it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    I wonder why people bother answering some of these opposers when A. They are often atheists who have no business even referencing morality as there is no such thing  as morality w/o God B. They support abortion as well C. They hate the nuclear family D. They actually promote abuse of children w/transgender ideology
    - Quite frankly they are full of it.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Perhaps because Australian law says you have to keep 50 years of records, and American law says you only need to keep 25 years worth of records? I don't know. If you are so concerned about it why don't you do some proper research instead of just inventing theories of your own. I think I know what your reply will be; You can't be bothered to do research. (You would rather just read what is handed to you on a platter by opposers and stick to your own theories).
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    And you know all the truthful details ???? So tell me why Australia had over 50 years records of Child Sexual Abuse and America GB Lawyers are saying they have 25 years Database. Whereas the Org / Watchtower started in America so should easily have more on record that Australia. Unless the GB are saying that Australia is more perverted than America.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    It is not a grey area at all. The ministry is part of the JW 'church activity'. This is easily proven by what is happening right now. Letter writing instead of door to door work. This is instruction by your Leaders as is all ministry. NO grey area at all.
    Now, what you say about children being the responsibility of the parents. This is where I say that ALL Pedophiles in ALL congregations should be made known to Everyone in the Congregation,(and outside really). Any proven act of abuse reported to Elders should be made known, naming the abuser but not naming the child. But it has been proven that Pedophiles have been hidden in congregations Earthwide, especially Elder pedophiles. So the congregation parents are not to blame for that. Remember that the KH is 'advertised' / spoken of, as being a safe place for families. JWs constantly invite 'new studies' to the KH, telling them what a wonderful and friendly place the KH is. From there JWs invite people into their own homes and on to ministry. It's a 'snowball' effect. More activities, more mixing with others. Therefore everyone should have ALL needed information about dangerous congregants including Elders.
    Anna, just turn off the JW think for one moment, and look for truth about it all. Look into your heart not into the GB eyes. You know what has gone on in the JW Org. And there is no proof that it has stopped. Why ? Because the Elders still have control over the congregations. and we know what happens if people question the Elders, or if a person complains about being mistreated.  D/fed for causing a division in the congregation. Loss of all contact with everyone in the Org. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    It is not a grey area at all. The ministry is part of the JW 'church activity'. This is easily proven by what is happening right now. Letter writing instead of door to door work. This is instruction by your Leaders as is all ministry. NO grey area at all.
    Now, what you say about children being the responsibility of the parents. This is where I say that ALL Pedophiles in ALL congregations should be made known to Everyone in the Congregation,(and outside really). Any proven act of abuse reported to Elders should be made known, naming the abuser but not naming the child. But it has been proven that Pedophiles have been hidden in congregations Earthwide, especially Elder pedophiles. So the congregation parents are not to blame for that. Remember that the KH is 'advertised' / spoken of, as being a safe place for families. JWs constantly invite 'new studies' to the KH, telling them what a wonderful and friendly place the KH is. From there JWs invite people into their own homes and on to ministry. It's a 'snowball' effect. More activities, more mixing with others. Therefore everyone should have ALL needed information about dangerous congregants including Elders.
    Anna, just turn off the JW think for one moment, and look for truth about it all. Look into your heart not into the GB eyes. You know what has gone on in the JW Org. And there is no proof that it has stopped. Why ? Because the Elders still have control over the congregations. and we know what happens if people question the Elders, or if a person complains about being mistreated.  D/fed for causing a division in the congregation. Loss of all contact with everyone in the Org. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses to join redress scheme   
    First Christians suffered and died for principles and died with thoughts how it is not justified what Caesar doing.
    WTJWorg are not willing to "suffer and die" for same reasons, because "cost of operating" depend on money not on God blessings.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses to join redress scheme   
    WTJWorg still have their lawyers. Perhaps they will give suggestion to GB; "We can sue Australia for this" :)))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Showing sexuality is a private matter between husband and wife, right? Then why are there GB regulations about it?
    Things are not quite as they seem at first glance. WTJWorg has a great influence in family and private matters. And it does so as a Company, Organization, Institution.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    ... apparently not, as it IS up to God ...
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    The problem is you know just enough to get confused. You do not have all the facts nor knowledge, just bits and pieces from various sources. Not only that, but also twisted information. It's like when opposers say Br. Lett said that child sexual abuse in the congregation are all apostate lies. When in fact he said that the JWs supposedly not caring about child sexual abuse are apostate lies.  One says that we deny there is child sexual abuse, and the other says there is sexual abuse and we do care about it. Big difference.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Parents are the ones who give consent to anyone, whether it be an Elder, a ministerial servant or a publisher to study the Bible with their child and/or go in service.  It is a private arrangement and agreement between the parent and the relevant person. Everyone is educated at the meetings, including the children who should sit with their parents. If someone else is "teaching their children" or if children are sitting with someone else besides their parents, then that is by the parents own arrangement. As regards the ministry, that is a grey area because the ministry can be considered "church activity" this is especially the case when someone who is not the parent, assigns the child to work with someone else (Candace Conti). As far as I know, this no longer happens. But people still make their own arrangements, for example little Johnny might ask to work with little Davie and his dad because they are buddies.
     
    Like I said, there is no institutional program with MS or elders involved. If it happens, then it is outside the congregational arrangement, and at the discretion* of the parents.
    *the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation.
    And CC is wrong when he applies "It takes a village to raise a child" to the spiritual raising of children. That is exclusively the parent's/guardian's responsibility.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Well no truth comes from your words, that's for sure. Just as no truth comes from the GB or the Watchtower. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    This is so hypocritical. It would be funny BUT it is very serious.
    BUT the GB and their Lawyers still refuse to hand over the Pedophile Database in America. 
    And here in UK the Bethel did not want to hand over information, but were taken to court and had to hand it over. 
    And the GB Lawyers have been seen on video whilst in court, Telling Lies. 
    And Elders claim Clergy Penitent Privilege so as not to give evidence against other Elders in court, but then the Org pretends that Elders are not Clergy.  So how can Elders claim that privilege if they are not clergy ? Hypocrites. 
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