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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Like I said. You can talk about whatever you want to talk about and some of it's interesting, but quite frankly a lot of what you're into is for me "been there, done that". Don't imagine you're the only one who's ever done a deep dive on the times the WTBTS has gotten it wrong. I've discovered, though that the whole "apostate" thing is only interesting IF it points to areas of false expectations w/in ONES' OWN SELF. So if chronology is your thing you need to be disabused of, then you can spend a lot of time squirreling away various "nuts" on who got chronology wrong/right how/why. In the end, you won't have advanced any useful cause for yourself, unless it's some kind of emotional catharsis you're after.
    But that's ok if that's what you're into and these are your needs of the moment.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Is there any particular reason for us to discuss more about other religions and organizations at the JW Open Club?
    Current and former members gathered here to exchange opinions, views, beliefs, experiences ....,
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Isabella in Jehovah's Witnesses to join redress scheme   
    Authorities are urging the Jehovah's Witnesses to contact them to get the ball rolling on the religious group's decision to join the national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.
    The organisation says it will sign up because of new rules introduced by the federal government, which mean it would lose its charity status - and subsequent tax exemptions - for continuing to hold out.
    "Now that the law requires charities to join the scheme, Jehovah's Witnesses will comply," it said in a statement to AAP on Wednesday.
    "Jehovah's Witnesses believe that it is their responsibility before God to respect and co-operate with the authorities."
    A spokeswoman for Social Services Minister Anne Ruston has welcomed the statement but implored the organisation to contact authorities.
    "(We) encourage them to make urgent contact with the Department of Social Services so they can make good on this commitment," she told AAP.
    "It can take up to six months for institutions to complete the process of joining and the department would hope to work co-operatively and with haste to facilitate the Jehovah's Witnesses joining as quickly as possible.
    Read more: https://au.news.yahoo.com/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme-061052602.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHbuBHuqnP7KNLb527EVBCNI9aRGuZaVR17ucV6gpZ6gudjs9fT539uAXbCWjB_VAf1U9idMlVhs83yiIa_UDL8I1JzAjES24c9U1blerB_57bzgWeL303HoiR8FESq-9RPGgV4s-0KjIq4umSvUtyV-Xy7uV1GeVbMS1O8PSygP
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses to join redress scheme   
    WTJWorg The administration has changed its mind? On what grounds and motives? Some are mentioned in the article (money issue). Indeed, we can speak of the hypocrisy of those who are the “leaders” of this organization.
    Arguments by some to justify non-cooperation were that the CSA was not “institutional violence” but “domestic violence” (Holly Folk from Cesnur) or that WTJWorg had no “institutional setings” with which to participate in reddress.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    What I get from this is not that you're concerned about Christianity, the process of inspiration or an examination of these things from a historical or biblical sense, but rather you're focused on the WTBTS.
    If that's your focus, then have at it. If you're interested in improving your faith and your understanding, then I'll say you're doing it wrong.
     
    I might say that you've missed entirely the point here:
    24  He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field.x 25  While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left. 26  When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds also appeared. 27  So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it have weeds?’ 28  He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’y The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29  He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. 30  Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up; then gather the wheat into my storehouse.’”z 3
    Note the effort at "collecting weeds" (real or imagined) is turned down when professed followers express the desire for purity via a removal of those these feel to be "weeds".
    If there are "weeds" this harvesting and collecting and winnowing won't be done by any self-appointed humans on planet earth.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Not my striving, just observation and some sort of thinking about issue.
    Let me explain, please. Who was inspired in the 1st century? Christians? Which Christians? Every Christian? Only Writers of Letters and Books of Bible? Men, women, children? Missionaries? Elders? Etc.
    WTJWorg said how "gifts of miracles" aka "inspiration" stopped in 1st Century. But the expressions of the spirit in the first assembly were not the only in "miraculous works." What about teachings? JW members  are said First Christians to have had wrong predictions and expectations, thus trying to justify the wrong doctrines for today’s GB and JW. Were the apostles "guided by the spirit" or inspired by the spirit? "
    How did they work "miracles"? Under "guidance or inspiration"? 
    WTJWorg publications using verse: Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement,*+ but test the inspired statements* to see whether they originate with God,+ for many false prophets have gone out into the world. - 1 john 4 1
    ... and teach members to using these in everyday life to not be deceived. How will JW recognize the inspired expression? How will JW test the inspired expression? How will JW refuse to believe in an inspired expression? .... if he himself is not inspired to be able to see the difference? How will an uninspired individual cope with an inspired expression?
    So it’s not about my insistence on the topic, it’s about how to recognize truth from lies. Is it easier / harder to recognize an uninspired lie or an inspired lie? :))
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Can the use of these biblical passages, to unimportant individuals like me, be applied to GB because they adopted doctrines that later turned out to be wrong (false). This can be explained in two ways, which you would, I would say, “suggest through the first few minutes of the video”: 1) by the influence of the “deceiving spirit” from the outside and 2) by the influence of the “deceiving spirit” from the inside.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    But back on track. Miracles and being inspired of God's Holy spirit.
    It seems that most JWs on here DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD POURING OUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT 'in the last days'. 
    They do not believe that anyone will be inspired. WHY ? Because the GB of the Watchtower / JW Org only teaches physical things, not spiritual things.
     Joel 2 : 28
    Berean Study Bible
    And afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.
    Acts 2 : 17
    Berean Study Bible
    ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
    So, are we in those LAST DAYS ?  Well the Watchtower keeps saying we are.
    So are you calling God a liar concerning the pouring out of His spirit  ? 
    Zechariah 8 : 23
    Berean Study Bible
    This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”
    That Jew is the TRUE Anointed. So will you be one of those 'ten men' ? 
    You of little faith. JWs that pretend to believe in God through Christ. In fact you do not believe in either God or Christ. You put your faith in MEN. Your GB and your Watchtower Society / JW Org, are your gods. 
    That is why you do not believe in the miracle of God's Holy Spirit. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to ETERNALBLACKPROJECT in Did Noah have brothers and sisters?   
    Mark 6:4
    Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home." Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family.”.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Pay more attention to scripture w/serious biblical exegesis and biblical archaeology and textual criticism/historical analysis and less to cherry-picking statements made by other people. Now if you think that somehow your own heart isn't treacherous and desperate, and if you feel that it is a small matter from which one is immune to isolate ones' self and at no time will this cause such one's as yourself to seek your own selfish longing, then I'd say your spirit has become like those of the false spirits which inspired the king to act foolishly so that he might die at Ramoth-Gilead. 1 Kings 22:1-53
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    .. how they approached truth ... 
    ... word of god as something outside of them ....
    .. they approach the truth of god as something inside them ...     
    ... subjectivity leads to all kinds of mistakes ...
    -----------------------------
    Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[c] 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. - John 7
    In which version is it possible to make more mistakes?
    When are you "guided, lead by the spirit" (GB claim they are guided)
    or
    when are you "inspired by the spirit" (GB claim they are not inspired)?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Not just the GB. If you've read any of John Macarthur, or Gleason Archer (Old Testament Introduction), the issues behind inspiration are discussed and match up 100% w/that of the WT's handling of what is considered "inspired". Both of these would have called JW's a "cult", and yet when it comes to how one considers what is and what isn't scripture and how to tell if some novel statement made outside of scripture these are in agreement.
    I don't think you've done your homework on this. You need to go back and do your homework.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    The whole world screwed up. It was because the way things were done back then, that the ARC had to be set up. There are no loopholes in Jehovah's law, however, because of loopholes in secular law we were not able to do things properly.   Arauna is right when she says that years ago there was no effective secular system in place whereby children were protected from CSA. This had become such a massive problem, so much so that it could no longer be ignored, and finally (!) secular authorities are addressing this "what had been a hidden problem for centuries (probably). And yes, I agree completely that thanks to the ARC our policies have changed. Like you, I watched all of the sessions (live). I also have experience of how one case was handled in our congregation. I would say it was typical of how many other cases were handled too. It was all about not bringing reproach on Jehovah's name, and a misapplication of 1 Corinthians 6:7. But the WT never advocated that this scripture applied to serious matters such as CSA, it always applied it to business dealings.  But somehow the brothers applied it to everything, including CSA. This is WHY it had to be clarified in the May 2019 WT study article: "Should the Christian who reported it feel that he has brought reproach on God’s name? No. The abuser is the one who brings reproach on God’s name". 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    If any kind of " inspired expression" is a miracle - which is what you infer - then I feel sorry for you.... because Satan can "inspire many things too.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Obviously we have a different view of the meaning of the term "inspired", but also of the manifestation of the action of the spirit, if / when someone is "inspired". Simply put, "being inspired" does not only mean how someone walks on water or speaks a language they have never learned, walks through a wall and the like. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    You see @Srecko Sostar some of these JWs do not believe in miracles, even if they pretend to. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Incorrect - I have spoken to people from these ' inspired churches' who make up a lot of things as they go along and say they are inspired by god's spirit.  Usually these inspired things are closer to spiritism than the Bible.  The Bible is our "inspired" source.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    One of most indicative "miracles" is to be "inspired by God (HS)". GB deny every possibility that individual or group of people can be "inspired" by God today. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    I don't know how JW member (not only you dear Cesar) can so repetitively, resolutely and drastically advocate a position that is contrary to the public proclamation of WTJWorg and even more important to the teachings of Jesus ?!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    I am respecting your freedom to this (and other) opinion about "people here" and "people of your worldwide brotherhood". I am sure that you in the same moment have perception and idea and guess about reality, that many people in your "worldwide brotherhood" feel and think similar to "people here", but they are not here to tell us that. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    You haven’t seen anything yet. It may be averted however, if you can grow up and treat people civilly, even those who genuinely are opposed.
    Below, I have cleverly modified a well-known verse. See if you can spot the change:
    “But when Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Cezar rebuke you.”
    It won’t necessarily be a bad thing if the two of us get into a cat fight. Presently, 4Jah will start crying, even more than he does now, that his “questions” are not being addressed, even though they have been countless times and he just wants to repackage them and keep running them through in perpetuity.
    Should that happen to thwart his dastardly scheme, you actually will have contributed to combatting “apostasy.”
    Absolutely. Finally, finally, finally, 4Jah says something of value. CC certainly should know that. Any JW knows who is not a newbie that.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Um interesting that you judge me. BUT I repent of my sins to Almighty God through Jesus Christ, as I should.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Yes but it is not in the NWT because it is supposed to be a false scripture ?????? 
    John 8 starts at verse 12. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    There is a difference: to pray directly to Jesus and different to pray to Jehovah through Jesus who paid the ransom. I am sure this is what he meant.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Then he could have a point  
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