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What did Jesus do when he was “disrespected?”
How insistent was Jesus on proving himself right?
Even were I to take this as an insult, which appears the way you intend it, how many times did Jesus say to Peter (after 3 times denying him) “The one that should be ashamed is you, ex-disciple!”
I mean really, CC. If you want people to believe that you are a Witness, you should act like one.

Grrrrr, that is so sad, and I would say unnecessary. But of course we are not masters of an other's conscience, so no one can judge him for that (I am not saying you are ) and say it was totally unnecessary. But, the ironic thing is, how was his conscience formed? Was it through the Bible, or was it through the interpretation and understanding of some men who have erred in the past over a number of things? It's obviously the latter, and that's the sad frustrating, and unnecessary part.  I know, I know....I'm preaching to the choir...

For a (former) job as a police officer, he needed a very good memory.
Today, for the (current) job of an elder, that is a good advantage.
But unfortunately, he lacks flexibility in thinking that would amortize two different views of 1914.
I wonder, how did you teach him that about 1914 that he accepted official teaching and yet could notice the difference (which has obviously worried him all this time) that made him remove you, today, from his list of friends?

I also believe that true anointed persons make up a portion of the WTS. And I see no evidence that there would be any true anointed persons found among Mormons. I'm not trying to be a judge of who is and isn't a "true anointed" but I'm just giving an opinion based on evidence I've seen.
But this view of yours is a fairly unique view among ex-JWs (and the JW acquaintance of mine who is now an ex-elder). It's one of those things that probably made/makes no sense to "John Butler" and "4Jah2me" even though those accounts have often sided with your critiques, but have also been very vocal about not believing that "true anointed" are to be found among JWs.
When you say the anointed "Israel" resides in the WT, you also admitting that the truly anointed persons reside in the WT, but that they must also "get out of her." This means that the true anointed ("Israel") must pass through the WTS and then realize that they are in the wrong place and must get out of her. This also appears to associate the WTS directly with Babylon the Great.
But I admit that I still can't follow the logic:
How did the truly anointed "Israel" (God's people) get into the WTS in the first place? What attracted them? If they were attracted for good reasons, or necessary reasons, but must now come out, then the WTS acts as some kind of trap. There must be something special about the WTS that produces or attracts these anointed to stay in the first place. But if they continue to stay and don't come out, then whatever attracted them was a trap! If Satan is allowed to test them within the WTS then was it Satan who made this trap? Or do you think that the WTS is a good place for all anointed to pass through, assuming they also see that it is not a good place to stay, because they must get out of her? How long is the right amount of time to stay? What happens if whatever was supposed to to attract them to the WTS works, and gets them into the WTS, but they die just before realizing that they were also supposed to "get out of her."
If one looks at the Hebrew Scriptures as a pattern, then God's people (Jews/"Israel") were forced into exile in Babylon as a punishment. Many stayed in Babylon and survived as "Babylonians" for a few years. Some even thrived as Babylonian/Persian citizens for centuries, and the worldly comforts and economy of Babylon held them "captive" from restoring pure worship in Jerusalem with their fellow Jews.
This is why I don't think of Babylon the Great as a specific religion or group of false religions, but as a world of materialism and false ideologies of all kinds: the "world and its desire." This can definitely include all false religion (the general JW doctrine) but now that "location" is not the issue for pure worship, the idea of Babylon, Rome and Jerusalem must be spiritual concepts in Revelation:
(John 4:21-24) . . .Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”
Spiritually speaking, then, Sodom and Egypt, and Rome and Babylon have meanings in Revelation that are associated with their earlier "OT" counterparts. True Christians, whether heaven-bound or not, anointed or not, must get out of Babylon because she represents the "center" of a world of false religious beliefs, false ideologies, political associations, the commercial centers and ideologies. Like you, I believe this is happening now, because true Christians have conquered the world spiritually. As Jesus said, "I see Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven."
(John 16:33) . . .. In the world you will have tribulation, but take courage! I have conquered the world.”
(1 John 2:14-17) . . .because you are strong and the word of God remains in you and you have conquered the wicked one. 15 Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever.
(1 John 5:4) 4 because everyone who has been born from God conquers the world. And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith.
(Romans 8:37-39) 37 To the contrary, in all these things we are coming off completely victorious ["more than conquerors" KJV] through him that loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I don't see anything in the context of Revelation's depiction of Babylon the  Great that would limit it to a specific religion. I see it as something much bigger. I see it as the way in which Christians should know that the last world empire (e.g., "Rome") has already fallen for them, spiritually.

I request that all upvotes that might otherwise go to CC, who disdains them, be bestowed upon me instead. I need all I can get to counter the deluge of downvotes from 4Jah.
Never could there be a worse waste of already strained eyes.
Better people than you have tried to figure this out. I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. I’m not sure what happened either. Last I checked he was upvoting you routinely.
 

Thanks, but these are not my examples but Bible text ... and some English translations. I am not dealing with Greek language but with nowadays languages (English and Croatian translations)
Is she sick?
Has she already died?
Will she die while we talk and walk? 
 
 

I didn't ask this issue, but i will provide you with one example of changing Bible text.
 
 When Jesus had again crossed over by boat to the other side of the lake, a large crowd gathered around him while he was by the lake. 22 Then one of the synagogue leaders, named Jairus, came, and when he saw Jesus, he fell at his feet. 23 He pleaded earnestly with him,  24     “My  little daughter is dying. Please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live.”  So Jesus went with him. - mark 5 23 niv
After Jesus had crossed again by boat to the opposite shore, a large crowd gathered together to him, and he was by the sea.+ 22  One of the presiding officers of the synagogue, named Jaʹi·rus, now came, and on catching sight of him, he fell at his feet.+ 23  He pleaded with him many times, saying: “My little daughter is extremely ill.* (*near her end) Please come and put your hands on her+ so that she may get well and live.” 24  At that Jesus went with him, and a large crowd was following him and pressing against him. - mark 5 23 nwt
While he was saying this, a synagogue leader came and knelt before him and said, "My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live." -  matt 9 18 niv
While he was telling them these things, look! a certain ruler who had approached did obeisance to him, saying: “By now my daughter must be dead, but come and lay your hand on her, and she will come to life. - matt 9 18 nwt
What is the truth about Jairus' daughter? To whom we should believe, to Mark or Matthew? Or to NWT idea where they changed text into 3rd possibility;  By now my daughter must be dead ??
 

In America they call everything opinion.  a lie is not an opinion. I worked in USA for many years and one of the things which struck me was the indoctrination of the people (brainwashing in schools no doubt) to be "polite" to call a lie  an opinion.  I grew up in a country where a spade is called a spade.  A lie is a lie and an opinion is an opinion. 
 
I did not go off - I just called it a lie to say that JWs change scriptures.  That is your opinion about my ignorance.  Any case - if you think you can get through to these people - forget it. They are a bunch of  deceivers and they are here to derail anyone who believes in Jehovah.  This is why I just pop  in quickly now and then.  I no longer deem it important to read through all the garbage - especially since my eyes are bad..  So maybe I am guilty of not paying attention to their lies.... lol..... I do not care .... why do you? 

Schrecko  said JWs are changing scripture.  You called it an opinion - I said it is a lie.  I should have said a 'blatant' lie to say we change scripture. We do not.  So just chill.

it is a lie - not opinion.  

Do you know when satan sowed the weeds and when they became powerful?  This is important to understand to really know the meaning of the parable.
 
It is obvious that you never had a clue of our teachings or are simply lying about what you know.... 
We of course want proof - as our correct pronunciation of Jehovah's name has now been proven.... 
 

1930-1985 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200028612
1986-2021 https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174
On this two links we can find tens and hundreds doctrinal changes. 8 points you made looks poor.  
Thanks for down vote. It seems how you accepted a bad custom. You know, Bad company corrupts good character
:)) 

How about this - I know of many teachings that have been the same almost since the inception of JWs:
1. Most religions teach that the soul is immortal and  can go out of you and float in mid air up to heaven or go down to hell! We have stayed with the same teaching!
2. The name Jehovah - it has now been proven that 2500 manuscripts exist with the point system which indicates YEHOVAH is the correct pronunciation in Hebrew. And the name actually has much deeper meaning than most realize.
3. Jesus put his soul in death - yes he really died! We are the only ones who believe this as far as I am aware.
4. Neutrality - no voting and no active participation in politics.
5. The kingdom is a real government - not something invisible in your heart
6. 144000 go to heaven and the rest are the great crowd
7. Most will live on the earth forever.
8. 1914 itself is a date that has stood for a long time..... despite the scoffers that laugh at us and the mistakes about the end of the perousia..... 
I can mention more - so despite the scoffers that present us as shifty shift - changing teachings all the time  - the ABOVE stable teachings which have NeVeR changed, proves you are the deceiver and accuser ..... not the witnesses. 
 

The Scripture say that weeds and wheat grow together. So neither of us should be in a position to judge, but to distinguish two types of plants. Of course, now anyone can go further and challenge someone’s ability to distinguish one thing from another. :))
WTJWorg religious teachers, scholars with GB+Helpers, "revoking" past and present teachings (each time a “new light” shines on them).
To prove this, you need to provide some authentic evidence of the continuity and permanence of understanding that does not change due to “human error” of past and present GB.
My opinion is irrelevant, because GB claims that they were/are not inspired as apostles and some others in FDS in the First Century.
 

Let someone tell us; Who brought the "beliefs clarified" on the table? Were it the Those who invented and advocated “vague beliefs,” or were these new beliefs generated by some New People in the Administration?
So your idea that there are “qualified people” who are the only ones authorized to revoke the authority of their predecessors does not actually bring any solution to the problem in WTJWorg. 
What then should the phrases mean: “know the proper context?” or “personal intent”? or "the spirit of the written" or "the biblical understanding"?
Almost nothing. Or should these phrases (in your JW context) justify some and belittle others?

... do you think, "beliefs clarified" ? 
 

Soon you'll be able to marry anyone or any thing you want. If you marry a plate of sushi then eat it, would you be guilty of canniblism?

yes - they call you for your opinion and people do not realize it is a political poll. Thank goodness Jehovah is not as harsh as you are.  People all over act in ignorance and they want to sound as though they are fair to others.
Especially if they ask if LGBTQ can have their rights..... Most people who care for others will agree that they should have their rights.  They have the right to choose the lifestyle they want BUT it does not mean we approve of it.... as the questions above proves.
Most witnesses do not understand these new laws..... that it will be detrimental to our future. They have already passed draconian measures in Australia.   
Do not judge the JWs .... Remember the scripture where it says ....... if it is mistakes you only look at Jehovah - who can stand before you?
Mistakes are very different to deliberate sin - like choosing to back a political party or stance.

Sometimes, it's just a matter of how the question is asked. For example, take a question like this:
"Even if your religious beliefs do not condone or support homosexuality (and/or LGBTQ+), do you think that homosexual (and/or LGBTQ+) persons should be discriminated against in the areas of jobs and housing?"
Depending on the exact wording of the question, you could potentially get 100% of any religious group to "support" such a bill. Remember that they are not directly asking if you support some particular bill, per se, but asking about support of some of the measures which might be found in it. The fact that such a bill might be in the works is not necessarily even brought up. Or even if it is brought up as a proposed bill, the survey could overcome prejudice against the political party sponsoring the bill, or religious feelings by using questions like:
Would you oppose any bill that tried to remove discrimination against LGBTQ+ persons?
A Witness would not say they opposed such a bill, because they are generally neutral regarding political bills.
Also, these are not simple yes or no questions in most surveys. They are often multiple choice such as the following, where the intro to the question can produce an implied meaning [in brackets] that may not even be in the "supported" bill:
Question: This is about hiring and firing LGBTQ+ persons from jobs, or landlords being able to not rent to, or kick out LGBTQ+ persons from their buildings or homes.
So . . . . are you:
A. Highly in favor of discriminating against LGBTQ+  [i.e., immediately fire them - immediately make homeless]
B. Somewhat in favor of discriminating against them [i.e., give them some advance notice before firing them from their jobs - or putting them out on the street]
C. Somewhat in favor of not discriminating against them [i.e., allowing them to keep their jobs, apartments, homes in most cases]
D. Highly in favor of of not discriminating [i.e., allowing them to keep their jobs, apartments, homes in all cases]
 
If you interview about 1000 people, and 17 identify as JWs, then only 9 of them need to choose C, and 8 can choose A or B, and that would be the 53% (9 of 17) who supposedly "support" the bill, even if they knew nothing about the bill itself. I think all of us know Witnesses who would answer C to the question.

We do not know who reads this forum. Are there lots of people that just come here quietly and read it ?
So any information given here could well be read by others that are seeking 'truth' of all types.  After all, it was online that i first found out the truth about the CSA in JW Org. So putting links on this forum could be helpful to others that may never even comment here. 
It also helps to find out if any JWs are willing to admit to the faults in their Organistion. For instance, @JW Insider has always seemed balanced in his views. 
This forum has helped me with a Facebook page that I run too. Keep the information coming folks. It all helps. 

This post is almost as narrow as you. Formatting counts, you know.

I somewhat agree with you, but true Christianity may be in danger due to liberal christians and their insane christianity:
Theological Liberalism: What are its various forms? | Carm.org

Me too. But few details exist in this issue, also.
I don't believe in many of the things (what) GB teach others. But JW people holds such "unbelievers" responsible for their decisions in this matter. They think they are to blame (for living organization or if they die in Armageddon, etc). They think they are to blame if they speak out against GB doctrines. 
That would mean, GB can say whatever they want, but it’s your fault if you respect them in their "foolishness". When JW member decide to not respect GB decisions (and perhaps he/she becomes ex-JW) is that "moral" or "immoral " decision?
Some acts of "faithful" servants in the past contributed to collective punishment. And God didn't ask (did not hold a referendum) what and how every single man, woman and child feel about King's decisions and behavior. In such examples no one cared about "we or my". All nation suffered because of "my" or "we".  

We do not know who reads this forum. Are there lots of people that just come here quietly and read it ?
So any information given here could well be read by others that are seeking 'truth' of all types.  After all, it was online that i first found out the truth about the CSA in JW Org. So putting links on this forum could be helpful to others that may never even comment here. 
It also helps to find out if any JWs are willing to admit to the faults in their Organistion. For instance, @JW Insider has always seemed balanced in his views. 
This forum has helped me with a Facebook page that I run too. Keep the information coming folks. It all helps.