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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    That’s why in Texas they have the “ … but yer honor … he NEEDED  killin’ !”  defense.
    ….. usually involving some guy named “Bubba”.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sometimes an act of repentance is to forgive others and even to forgive yourself. Who of us does not act irrationally at times? Eccl 7: 7  "Oppression can drive a wise one to madness" 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    We need to do the best we can at this time…..I have come to the realisation that Jesus forgave those who REPENTED…..everyday ask Jehovah to help you with the anger and resentment ….it works!!!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    It was a fair question.
    ”42” can be googled.….. best understood by reading the book it came from … “The Hitcher’s Guide To The Galaxy”. by Douglas Adams.
    You may be able to get it free by searching for it by name + .pdf.
    OR…. You could download THIS ONE.
     
    Hitchhikers Guide.pdf
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    It’s the 42 anointed who met together after they were ordered not to in order to baptize without asking each other a ton of questions.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    As we read this report we do not see any need for “informed consent”. Jesus does not conduct a “biblical study,” he does not condition the acceptance of the doctrine for an act of grace and “salvation” toward these people.
    When Jesus, to the one who returned to give thanks, said; "Go, your faith has saved you," then we may wonder what and how long the leper should have learned about God? How long did it take to change his personality to become “Christian”? How many new doctrines did he have to accept? ...,
    Those lepers showed interest in basic, good health. This did not stop Jesus from showing them goodness.
    Luke 17
    11 Now on his way to Jerusalem, Jesus traveled along the border between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy[b] met him. They stood at a distance 13 and called out in a loud voice, “Jesus, Master, have pity on us!”
    14 When he saw them, he said, “Go, show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were cleansed.
    15 One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. 16 He threw himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him—and he was a Samaritan.
    17 Jesus asked, “Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? 18 Has no one returned to give praise to God except this foreigner?” 19 Then he said to him, “Rise and go; your faith has made you well.”
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    To forgive a great sin against you is surely the one act that jehovah would appreciate and reward.... so work on it.  Your everlasting life is important to all of us. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Tom, the answer seems to be that you do not try to reason on the things @Witness says because you have decided that you wil not agree with anything she says. So be it ,it's your choice, but you make it so obvious of whom you will reason with and who you will not. It seems a bit 'blind' to me as I tend to read and think on every comment i can, allbeit in a hurry some days. Yes I know I disagree with most, but only after fully reading the comments. 
    On a daily basis I don't think on if I will survive Armageddon or not, I don't find it important. God's plans for the Heavens and this Earth through Christ are important. It's about perspective I suppose. My hope, which seems different to others, is that I will die naturally long before Armageddon happens. I'm 72 and in honesty i don't want to see 90. I don't want dementia, i don't want someone having to feed me or bath me. So hopefully i will die, then Yeshua will decide if I should live again. But there are people that i have not forgiven and cannot forgive, hence i think i will not be forgiven. The scripture about a man who was forgiven his debt but would not forgive some one else who owed him money always sticks in my mind when this topic comes up, so it's nice when the topic does not come up. But of course if we are both there 'on the other side' we will willingly rejoice together and probably laugh at all weve said about each other. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Tom, the answer seems to be that you do not try to reason on the things @Witness says because you have decided that you wil not agree with anything she says. So be it ,it's your choice, but you make it so obvious of whom you will reason with and who you will not. It seems a bit 'blind' to me as I tend to read and think on every comment i can, allbeit in a hurry some days. Yes I know I disagree with most, but only after fully reading the comments. 
    On a daily basis I don't think on if I will survive Armageddon or not, I don't find it important. God's plans for the Heavens and this Earth through Christ are important. It's about perspective I suppose. My hope, which seems different to others, is that I will die naturally long before Armageddon happens. I'm 72 and in honesty i don't want to see 90. I don't want dementia, i don't want someone having to feed me or bath me. So hopefully i will die, then Yeshua will decide if I should live again. But there are people that i have not forgiven and cannot forgive, hence i think i will not be forgiven. The scripture about a man who was forgiven his debt but would not forgive some one else who owed him money always sticks in my mind when this topic comes up, so it's nice when the topic does not come up. But of course if we are both there 'on the other side' we will willingly rejoice together and probably laugh at all weve said about each other. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I thought the WT study on Sunday was perfect. It was about readiness for baptism, but the primary theme was about stripping off the old personality and putting on a new Christian personality. People complain about the idea that we tie baptism to an organization. But the primary intention is alway about doing our best to meet the standards of Jehovah's heavenly organization, an organization that only INCLUDES an imperfect earthly part. Also, I don't think that anyone would complain that an Amish baptism is meant to identify you as part of an Amish church, for example. All well-organized churches keep membership roles.
    But back to the WT article. It should be clear that baptism discussions are never about an organizational focus. It's always more about our Christian personality. I don't think even the die-hard WTS haters would find a thing wrong with last Sunday's WT article.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Thanks for explaining - I no longer counter this person's arguments.  They never make sense but are utterances of repetitive hate-OCD.   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Yes, of course. Believing in Jesus whole-heartedly doesn’t mean beans in itself—unless you define “whole-heartedly” as embracing the scriptures you included:

    Though the crazy faux-anointed person here appends scriptures to her comments for tonnage, she can never find the relevant ones, as you have.  
    When it comes to who will be saved, the Christian organization is not authorized to go beyond what the scripture plainly says: 
    “Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you…” (1 Peter 3:21)
    If they have any private thoughts on this, those they must keep to themselves. Of course, baptism assumes doing it the biblical way, not the sprinkled baptism of infants, not the baptism to the hellfire/trinity God. 
    The governing brothers choose not to speculate on this matter. They choose to be bounded by 1 Peter 3:21. We, who do not have a worldwide association of brothers to coach, (though Her Craziness thinks she does) are freer to speculate. When a loved one of mine was asked specifically whether this one or that one will be saved, she replied that she was not Jesus and didn’t know.
    The organization does the best it can. Not all scriptures dovetail. It remains to be seen how certain things will work out. “You will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.” (Matt 10:23) throws a monkey wrench into worldwide coverage. This verse has been cited to show not every person will be adequately reached, maybe not at all, so the question arises just what is God going to do about that come Armageddon? From what I can recall, they only gingerly touch that one. (They have said in the past that the mentally incompetent should get a free pass, so maybe we’re all okay here.)
    At any rate, the Watchtower statement to carry the day is easily found on the website. To the question, “Do Jehovah’s Witnesses feel they are the only ones who will be saved?” included in the answer is: “In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.” If they have seemed to judge in the past, it’s because they don’t feel free to blow away1 Peter 3:21 as though it were nothing.
    https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/
    Then, too, from the Insight book (under the topic Destruction) comes this beaut, that indicates we don’t even know ones destroyed by Jehovah suffer eternal destruction: 
    The Bible indicates that not all destruction is eternal. This is demonstrated by the fact that the Hebrew word ʼavad·dohnʹ (destruction) is used twice to parallel “Sheol.” (Job 26:6; Pr 15:11) ….When speaking of the destruction of the rebels Dathan and Abiram, Moses wrote that they went down “alive into Sheol.” (Nu 16:31, 33) Since Sheol in the Bible denotes the common grave of mankind from which there will be a resurrection, it is evident that not all destruction—not even all destruction at the hand of God—is necessarily eternal.
    So even Patiently Sitting on his Hands, that piece of work, who thinks he will not survive Armageddon and assumes that gives him the stature to advise others….well, maybe he is right and he won’t survive and still I’ll see that dodo on the other side someday, in which case I’ll take back the bad things I’ve said about him and maybe he’ll do the same with me.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    He told his audience that the wicked who are trying to "assimilate" them into their world, are numbered “900 to one”.  He is labeling all outside of the organization as enemies, people to fear.  And the enemies of JWs will be destroyed in Armageddon.  
    I appreciate your opinion, but is it also regardless of what A. Morris thinks?  He put on quite a dramatic performance illustrating how those he hates will be destroyed.
    Dear Anna, 
    The house built on sand, is a house that is built on wrong teachings, men's doctrines that are always shifting.   There is ample evidence that this identifies your organization as the house built on sand.  Think back from the beginning until now.  
    I know elders in the area who laze around and get drunk.  The same elders who hid a child abuse incident from the congregation.  They claim to believe in Jesus.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Why not just hold their hand over an open flame?  To be stumbled spiritually by a spiritual leader is a grave sin.  It is spiritual abuse.  We don't respond with more abuse.  
    "Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation?"  2 Cor 11:29
    GWT - "When anyone is weak, I’m weak too. When anyone is caught in a trap, I’m also harmed."
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    He is "essentially labeling"? I don't think so. He is only going by what Jesus said; that many more are on the road to destruction than those on the road to life. And no, he wasn't judging anyone, he leaves the judging to Jesus, as all of us do.
    Yes, we agree God reads hearts, and yes, He will determine who is saved, regardless of what we think. For those who whole heartedly believe in Jesus there is a warning;  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
    AND "Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand".
    I had a class mate at school who believed in Jesus whole heartedly. She slept around and smoked.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You know when they verbalize it, it means they are offended, and if they've done something bad, they need someone to blame. Those who are really stumbled are rarely aware they've been stumbled.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    One can certainly notice the emergence of one particular generation (various age groups) of JWs that has reached a stage of maturation in which they are ready to tear down the “Berlin Wall” in their organization. At least or primarily on a personal level, while remaining within that same “wall,” more physically than spiritually. Many of your comments here give such an impression and confirmation.
    Of course, it is "your" organization and you have the right to it as it is and as you support it and change or confirm it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    An article from 1987, that goes back a ways!  I think you would probably admit that everything you would like to believe about your Armageddon, can be found in the Wt articles and sifted to suit your conscience.  Although, at the Annual Convention, Stephen Lett numbered the “wicked” against the number of JWs as “900 to one”.  By calling them all wicked, he is essentially labeling all outside of the organization as having no chance of being saved at Armageddon.  They have been judged by your leader. 
     Many people whole-heartedly believe in Jesus and God, but refuse the message of JWs.  God reads those hearts, all hearts, individually.  The message of JWs does not determines who is saved and who is not saved.
    “For what business is it of mine to judge outsiders? Don’t you judge those who are inside?”  1 Cor 5:12
    Paul is talking about the anointed of the Body of Christ.  It is the message to JWs in the last days, specifically the anointed - God’s chosen people - that needs to be noticed and heeded. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9; Matt 10:23; 1 Pet 4:17,18; Rev 18:4-8)
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Anytime I hear the whiney sound "I was stumbled!" I want to dump a bucket of ice water over that person's head.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This verse does not literaly imply we are saving anyone. It is the action of preaching which saves because it involves the other person to listen and obey. They themselves have to bring of themself to jehovah AFTER we have done our duty out of love. 
    However, we should all be careful by our verbal  communications and actions to not be a cause of stumbling.  It is not what goes in but what comes out which defiles us.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    To me this is why I don't sweat it when someone says that I gave a "bad witness". I try not to, but it's going to happen and happen repeatedly. We all have patterns. I just keep trying and relax while doing so. Straining to me or OCD-like obsessive behavior like somehow I held the life of another person in my hands is spiritual narcissism in my view. The same kind of spiritual narcissism I see in apostates. If the GB screws up, so what? They'll figure out how they screwed up and do better next time. I doesn't change me or my responsibility to take charge and responsibility for my own actions or beliefs. You want to know who's engaging in idolatrous creature-worship? It's apostates. They imagine the organization is equal to Jehovah or Jesus and they aren't. We aren't Catholics with a holy see and a pope. Jehovah may be using the organization, but it's not infallible, nor do they have any urim and thummim. They have the bible, just like the rest of us. It isn't "disrespectful" to take note of that. The path to apostasy in my view is an over-reliance on human organizations as if these were Jehovah or Jesus. Organizations are necessary, but not sufficient. They can't point the way, but we individually have to make decisions. We CAN disagree and make our own conscientious decisions and we should. True that some of us in my view want to ride the coat-tails of others, but eventually they'll be bumped off by time and circumstance to stand on their own biblical legs.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Unless you are Timothy:
    (1 Timothy 4:16) . . .Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.
    Or Paul?
    (1 Corinthians 9:22) 22 To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some.
    Or those who declare the good news?
    (Romans 10:13-15) . . .. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”
    Of course, I will agree in advance with the explanation I would expect you could give.
    (Romans 14:4-10) 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.. . . 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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