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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from TheNonstoptheo in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    The Apostle Paul was both a physical Jew and a Spiritual Jew.
    Philippians 3 :  from verse 4.  The Apostle Paul says about being a physical Jew : 
    If any other man thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5  circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born from Hebrews; regarding law, a Pharisee;
    And he was Anointed by Jesus Christ as a spiritual Jew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    The Apostle Paul was both a physical Jew and a Spiritual Jew.
    Philippians 3 :  from verse 4.  The Apostle Paul says about being a physical Jew : 
    If any other man thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5  circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born from Hebrews; regarding law, a Pharisee;
    And he was Anointed by Jesus Christ as a spiritual Jew. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in KAZAKHSTAN: 131 administrative prosecutions in 2020. Not only JWs.   
    the best will turn against all religion.... so that is bible prophecy going into fulfillment
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    I really don’t know what you’re talking about.  Paul was a physical Jew.  Phil 3:6,5  At his anointing, Paul became a spiritual “Jew” which @4Jah2me tried to tell you.   Spiritual “Israel” is comprised of a “little flock” of physical Jews and also…”other sheep” of physical Gentiles. (Luke 12:32; John 10:16; Acts 13:45,46; 10:45) They are one anointed flock, now known as spiritual “Jews”…”Israel”… “Jacob”. 
     “For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace”   Eph 2:14,15
     Our physical heritage no longer matters.  We are either “Jews”, by the anointing, “circumcision of the heart”, or “Gentiles” – “uncircumcised”.  (Rom 2:29; Heb 8:10)
     
    Sure, I can grasp the context of the article, it gave the account of Korah, and then twisted its application to excuse the reason for the existence of a "Gentile" organization - The Beast from the Sea that makes war against the saints.  Rev 13:1,2,5-8
    Tell me, are the elders "circumcised Jews"?   Are they God's priests?  Or, do they "sit"/rule over the Temple members of God?  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2
    As I said earlier, give me one scripture where God has allowed anyone to serve or represent his priests in His temple.
    Is that so hard to ask?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    What am I opposing, Arauna?  God?  Jesus?  The Holy Scriptures?  The only thing I am opposing are lies against God, against Christ, and against the Holy Scriptures.  I oppose the Beast/organization of Rev. 13:1,2 that makes war with the anointed ones.    
    "And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."    Rev 13:5-8
    The anointed have been overcome, conquered in your own organization, and all you can see is the physical glamour and physical works that you believe are blessed by God - the very organization that says, the anointed MUST NOT BOND TOGETHER.  THEY CANNOT STUDY THE BIBLE TOGETHER.  THEY MUST REMAIN QUIET, AND ACCEPT WHAT FOOD THEY RECEIVE FROM PRESUMPTUOUS MEN, WHO SAY CHRIST HAS CHRISTENED THEM AS "FAITHFUL AND DISCREET". And these men are not "inspired"!  How did they receive that message from Jesus then?  Matt 24:48-51
    Tell me, who stopped the anointed from gathering together in the first century to study God's word?  NO ONE! (1 Cor 12) What has changed?  Scripture?  Only in your organization has scripture been corrupted concerning the anointed. 
    And this doesn't concern any of you.  
    It is easy to say "these guys have forgotten what they use to know about the bible"; but "these guys" are using scriptures to defend their belief.  What are you doing?  Are you using God's word, or as Allen Smith falls back on, ad hominem attacks against the individual?  
    I so wish JWs would wake up and turn away from false prophets, who have no interest in the lives of those they have effectively deceived.
    Matt 7: 15-23; 24:24; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:11,12,15; 16:13-16
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from TheNonstoptheo in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    Then you should have condemnation against all the Watchtower Leaders that demanded that CSA be kept hidden in the Organisation. 
    Yes the Leaders of the Watchtower have done this for years.  Misusing scripture about 'the time of the end' to pretend that Armageddon was coming in 1941, and in the late 1960's / early 70's. Then again 'before the end of the century' meaning the year 200. 
    They deliberately misused the scripture about the Superior Authorities, up until 1962.  Yes only to satisfy themselves. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from TheNonstoptheo in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    You are a wally.  Apostle Paul was a Spiritual JEW. 
     
    Witness is referring to Spiritual Jews of which the Apostle Paul WAS ONE. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    Show me one scripture in the Bible that says God allows His holy priesthood to be replaced/represented by "uncircumcised Gentiles".  What are God's commandments concerning His Temple and who should serve there?  
     
     Read this entire article, and then talk to me about following God's commandments.  JWs fall for Wt. hypocrisy, every time.
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002563?q=representing+the+royal+priesthood&p=par
    After reading it, will any JW who has done so,  have the courage to "challenge" the rebellious attitude of your leaders who are only satisfying themselves, and the needs to keep their organization up and running?  THAT is why the royal priesthood has been replaced and trampled down by the elder body.  2 Thess 2:1-4  If this organization was directed by God's Spirit, His priesthood would be serving the people.  Mal 2:7
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    These guys have forgotten what they used to know about the bible.  They remind me of an opposer who knew the principles of god very well and asked: Did god really say that you must not eat from every tree in the garden?? Like a troll he put a bad idea in her head. 
    The same machinations going on here... and sometimes it is open OCD-hostility.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    Then you should have condemnation against all the Watchtower Leaders that demanded that CSA be kept hidden in the Organisation. 
    Yes the Leaders of the Watchtower have done this for years.  Misusing scripture about 'the time of the end' to pretend that Armageddon was coming in 1941, and in the late 1960's / early 70's. Then again 'before the end of the century' meaning the year 200. 
    They deliberately misused the scripture about the Superior Authorities, up until 1962.  Yes only to satisfy themselves. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in Jehovah’s Witnesses releases world’s 1st complete sign-language Bible   
    American Sign Language Bible Translation Completed After 39 Years | God TV
    Why is the Watchtower lying?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    You know what, we should ALL start with ourselves. It is a good point.   Who or what do we worship?  To  whom have we dedicated our lives?  To what have we dedicates our lives to?  Who's laws do we follow?  
    WHO DO WE OBEY, God as ruler, or men?
    24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And He is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 
    Would this scripture be respected in a judicial committee?  No, because the organization needs human hands to build its "temple".  Men's decrees, trump God's Word in the Wt. 
    26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from any one of us. 
    Does anyone need to join an organization to find God?  Not according to this scripture. 
    28 ‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
    Do new JW converts find God?  Or, do they find an organization that speaks erroneously of God?  And yes, it does speak wrongly of the Father, because it doesn’t respect verse 24 and 25 above.  JWs do not  respect the Temple already being established on Christ, the apostles and the anointed “living stones”. They literally are conditioned to shun the anointed “stones” within your organization.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 
    Oh, how the organization boasts of its skills and building techniques.  “Jehovah’s organization” – a powerful god to be worshipped.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4
    30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”  Acts 17:24-31
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    One more thought - God's "enemies" are those whom He had entered into covenant with. (2 Chron 15:12)   They rebelled against Him, sought their own way, and their own gods. (Rom 1:24,25)  After He gives warning and plenty of it, He completely abandons them to the Destroyer - Satan the Devil - if they continue to defy His decrees.  (1 Cor 10:6-12; Isa 33:1)
    With Nineveh, He made this comment to Jonah:
    And the Lord said, “You cared about the plant, which you did not labor over and did not grow. It appeared in a night and perished in a night.  So may I not care about the great city of Nineveh, which has more than a hundred twenty thousand people who cannot distinguish between their right and their left, as well as many animals?”  Jonah 4:10
    The people in the world are left to God's righteous judgment, who reads hearts. (1 Cor 5:12,13)   Are they God's enemies? Can they distinguish between their right and their left? These are all questions that we can't answer, but the Wt. seems to know that all will be destroyed who don't reside in their organization.  Yet, the people of the world have not entered a covenant with Him, but "Israel" in the anointed, have. (Heb 8:8)   When these ones turn away from His laws fulfilled in Christ, it is they who become God's enemies.    
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses releases world’s 1st complete sign-language Bible   
    Yes the GB/Watchtower/JW org are quite good at physical things, but not so good at spiritual things. 
    A bit like producing a wonderful map, but the map takes you in the wrong direction. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Micah_Orion in Did God reject his people (Israel)? WTJWorg quote and Bible verse   
    I would say that God rejected Israel as a nation, but not as individuals. 
    Why would he have Jerusalem destroyed in he did not reject it. It wasn't just the place destroyed but the people and the records of their inheritance. I'm sure I've read somewhere that after the destruction in 70C.E. none of the Jews could prove their birth line / family tree.  God replaced physical Israel with Spiritual Israel. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from TheNonstoptheo in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    Now, I watched that video and he was talking about God's enemies. So lets dissect this. 
    Firstly, I would agree with anyone that says God's enemies should be destroyed.
    After all, the Earth cannot be cleansed whilst God's enemies remain. 
    Secondly, that scripture   Berean Study Bible Matthew 5 v 44
    But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
    This was spoken to the Anointed by Jesus, and it is saying to the Anointed to love THEIR enemies, NOT to love God's enemies. 
    In this one instance I will agree with A Morris, to hate God's enemies. 
    Now here we venture into another topic, that of, who has the job of deciding who God's enemies are ? Well concerning God's enemies, by their works we will know them, so here the True Anointed will know who they are. Even we of the earthly class, that are not JWs, would be able to see some who directly work against God. 
    A villain is not a villain 27/7, sometimes they may even do something good. It's the same with the GB of the Watchtower/JW Org. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    His actions, contrary to Jesus' words remind me of Hebrews 4:12:
    For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Anna in Did God reject his people (Israel)? WTJWorg quote and Bible verse   
    I would say that God rejected Israel as a nation, but not as individuals. 
    Why would he have Jerusalem destroyed in he did not reject it. It wasn't just the place destroyed but the people and the records of their inheritance. I'm sure I've read somewhere that after the destruction in 70C.E. none of the Jews could prove their birth line / family tree.  God replaced physical Israel with Spiritual Israel. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from JW Insider in Did God reject his people (Israel)? WTJWorg quote and Bible verse   
    I would say that God rejected Israel as a nation, but not as individuals. 
    Why would he have Jerusalem destroyed in he did not reject it. It wasn't just the place destroyed but the people and the records of their inheritance. I'm sure I've read somewhere that after the destruction in 70C.E. none of the Jews could prove their birth line / family tree.  God replaced physical Israel with Spiritual Israel. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    It may be the same kind of problem WTJWorg has regarding the redress scheme in Australia. The Jehovah's Witnesses have refused to sign up, arguing the religion did not have the "institutional settings" needed to be covered by the scheme.
    Perhaps South Korea, also, do not have "institutional settings" to please, to meet the requirements (scheme) of JW members about this issue.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    Okay, project this spiritually.  In the organization, are both “Jews” of “Israel” (anointed, Rom 2:29; 9:6-9; Gal 4:26-28)...
    ...And “uncircumcised Gentiles".
    The governing leadership is suppose to be all “Jews” (I have some doubts about this latest crop).  The majority of elders are “Gentiles”.  Who, has given the elders power to convict other “Jews” as seditionists?  Who can put them to "death" in the spiritual sense?  (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)
    The elders have been consistent in upholding the power of the GB, and vice versa; while the anointed “Jews” are told to follow the “oral tradition” of the organization.  (Matt 24:48-51)
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    The Sanhedrin was the JEWISH RELIGIOUS court system of Israel - of God's nation.  It had power over the temple activities - over the priesthood.    Who today, have power over the anointed Temple "living stones"?  
    The Sanhedrin put Jesus on trial.  Who puts the anointed today on trial?  Your elder body, under the direction of the GB.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Jehovah’s Witnesses releases world’s 1st complete sign-language Bible   
    Yes the GB/Watchtower/JW org are quite good at physical things, but not so good at spiritual things. 
    A bit like producing a wonderful map, but the map takes you in the wrong direction. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    .... and expecting obedience to, THEIR word – the word of men not inspired by Holy Spirit.
    This is so well said.
    What parallel do I see with the words of the apostles, to obey God rather than men? To whom did the apostles not want to submit? They did not want to obey Sanhedrin and the elders of the Jewish people. To the spiritual leaders of their own people and religion.
    Did the members of Sanhedrin claim to be inspired by God? Did Sanhedrin claim not to be inspired by God? GB claims that they are not inspired, but that they must be obeyed.
    Religious people, JW also, accept the claim that the Bible is inspired by God. And this fact (that the Word is inspired by God) provides in itself proof that people should accept God's guidelines and be obedient to that very Word.
    On the other hand, we have the fact that GB is not inspired (according to their own claims). And that fact ("we are not inspired") provides the basis for what the apostles claimed, Not to obey (GB) people who are not inspired by God, because their “commandments” (doctrines) are not God’s, but human’s.
    Was everything the Sanhedrin taught wrong and contrary to God’s Law and Word? I don't think we could say anything like that. But still, the Sanhedrin and many religious leaders, the elders, violated God’s law and God’s word in many things. Both in word and in spirit. That is why it was justified for the apostles to oppose it.
    Today JWs have a Biblical precedent from the book of Acts, to oppose their religious leaders (GB and elders) for the same reasons and in the same way as it was in the 1st century.
    Can Acts 5 be identified with Romans 13?
    In Acts it is allowed to oppose spiritual authorities. The Epistle to the Romans calls for obedience to secular authorities with no alternative.
    But whatever we personally decide, every choice carries good and bad consequences. Each of our choices will make us stronger or weaker, that we are winners or losers, happy or unhappy. “As long as we’re alive nothing is lost,” one man said.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Constitutional petition filed against alternative military service law. Some folks are never happy.   
    You do know the account concerning this one scripture alone?  The apostles were preaching about Jesus Christ in the temple courts.  The Jewish high priest and the Sadducees, were filled with “jealousy”, because converts were being made.  They had them put in the public prison. This account has nothing to do with the “secular authorities”.  It has everything to do with God’s people of the day, and it still does, with God’s spiritual “Israel” today. 
    Who acts like a “high priest” in the organization, replacing Jesus Christ as Head and high priest?  Your governing body.  They are jealous tyrants who refuse any confrontation, any questioning of their teachings and pseudo authority. 
    In the congregation of JWs, where the temple in the anointed is found, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  anointed ones who…
    #1 Preach Jesus Christ as their only Head instead of a wicked slave and a “Gentile” elder body who lord it over them (Luke 22:24-27; Rev 9:3-5; Rev 13:1,2,5-7)…
    #2 Reject an organization (since the authentic organization is the anointed Body of Christ) (1 Cor 12:14; Eph 2:20:22;1 Cor 14:40)…
    #3Reject changes in God’s “set times and laws” – 1914 and all other dates as well as doctrine that changes as shifting shadows…(Dan 7:25; 2 Thess 2:1-4; James 1:17)…
    #Obey God as ruler, rather than men…
    ..are brought before a judicial committee and disfellowshipped – all for following the teachings of Christ and using the example of the apostles, which is to obey God as ruler, rather than men. 
    You would think that your governing body would listen to anyone, especially the anointed who preach about Jesus, but this isn’t the case.  God’s anointed people are to be submissive to another headship and other decrees – the GB’s decrees. (Matt 24:24)
     “If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves.” Gal 6:3
     “Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.”  Rom 10:3,4
    If ANY JW truly loves God and Christ, that person would discern, that Wt’s leadership has transgressed the fulfillment of the law in Christ – adding to, and expecting obedience to, THEIR word – the word of men not inspired by Holy Spirit.
    The Wt’s leadership is destructive ,and the primary obstacle to eternal life that JWs are facing.  It isn’t the governmental authorities in the world that should concern any of you.  (Rev 18:4-8)
     
     
     
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