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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in SECULAR EVIDENCE and NEO-BABYLONIAN CHRONOLOGY (Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, etc.)   
    I agree with @Srecko Sostar exactly on this.
    @Arauna you do it every time. You bring out the faults in the people that you serve. 
    The Governing Body 'lift themselves up' by saying only THEY are the F&DS.  They 'pretend to all they are important' by pretending that are the spokesperson for God and Christ. 
    'because of what their job is.'  but it is a job and title that they have given to themselves. 
    Luke 14 v 11  How the 'mighty' will fall. 
    Arauna wants to blame everyone else, whilst she blinds herself against the many faults of the GB. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in SECULAR EVIDENCE and NEO-BABYLONIAN CHRONOLOGY (Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, etc.)   
    I agree with @Srecko Sostar exactly on this.
    @Arauna you do it every time. You bring out the faults in the people that you serve. 
    The Governing Body 'lift themselves up' by saying only THEY are the F&DS.  They 'pretend to all they are important' by pretending that are the spokesperson for God and Christ. 
    'because of what their job is.'  but it is a job and title that they have given to themselves. 
    Luke 14 v 11  How the 'mighty' will fall. 
    Arauna wants to blame everyone else, whilst she blinds herself against the many faults of the GB. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in SECULAR EVIDENCE and NEO-BABYLONIAN CHRONOLOGY (Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, etc.)   
    What JHVH have with your reasoning and decisions about PHD? Bible interpretations made by other humans and by reader himself bring people (believers) to this or that conclusion and decision.... about "higher education". Under influence of WTJWorg, JW members (most of them) making  decision to reject "higher education". That is their choice and their right for decision making. But please, do not put "burden of responsibility" on God, as he have something with WTJWorg interpretations on Bible text. 
    WTJWorg has been proving to be an unreliable source for 140 years already. Because of that i completely agree with your statement how: Yea, humans are the same everywhere...... they lift themselves up and pretend to all they are important because of what their job is.
    WTJWorg has been pretending that they are God's Sole Chanel aka FDS who spreading "truth". And in same time, after cornered because of so many nonsense in teachings, they came out with "we are imperfect". Everybody knows that they are "imperfect". What is so spectacular with that fact, and to put such "revelation" on JWTV or in own publications??!! 
    Such a statement is not an admission of one's own mistake and stupidity. Such a statement is a hoax and distraction from the real situation in the WTJWorg Organization.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in SECULAR EVIDENCE and NEO-BABYLONIAN CHRONOLOGY (Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, etc.)   
    "Anthony Morris effect" 
    Dear Arauna, you are definitely under strong influence of JW Broadcasting (in the harmony with Anthony Morris' "spirit") and that will not bring you nothing positive and good.   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in “LOVE HELPS US ENDURE HATRED"   
    I followed the advice from your first sentence a few years ago.  I removed myself from the JW Organisation. 
    And I agree with the scripture you quoted. The advice of your wicked GB / Watchtower was to keep Child Sexual Abuse hidden inside the Organisation by not reporting it to the Police or Superior Authorities. 
    And I will not 'sit in the seat of scoffers', because I will be no part of the lies and deceit that your GB spew out. 
    Your GB and their helpers are the ones who are in opposition to love and truth.  
    Everything you 'throw' at others always seems to be better at describing your GB and it's many organisations. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in “LOVE HELPS US ENDURE HATRED"   
    I followed the advice from your first sentence a few years ago.  I removed myself from the JW Organisation. 
    And I agree with the scripture you quoted. The advice of your wicked GB / Watchtower was to keep Child Sexual Abuse hidden inside the Organisation by not reporting it to the Police or Superior Authorities. 
    And I will not 'sit in the seat of scoffers', because I will be no part of the lies and deceit that your GB spew out. 
    Your GB and their helpers are the ones who are in opposition to love and truth.  
    Everything you 'throw' at others always seems to be better at describing your GB and it's many organisations. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Equivocation in How is everyone doing?   
    Seeing that a lot of peeps here are from around the world, just wanna know how you guys are holding up? I was always on lurk mode because I am busy, so I was bored today.
    For me I am busy with virtual classes now, which are dreadful. The brothers and sisters are doing fine, as well as family. Some of our friends and the people we preach too are doing good.
    With the vaccines out there is a lot of fear in the black and latino communities, even outside of it. 2 of my professors are against it, but like all others, they say it is personal choice.
    Anyways.... How about you guys?
    The pandemic is taking a toll on some peeps directly and indirectly. 
    To my Latinos and Latinas
    Viendo que mucha gente aquí es de todo el mundo, ¿solo quieren saber cómo les está yendo?  Siempre estuve al acecho porque estoy ocupado, así que hoy estaba aburrido.
    Para mí ahora estoy ocupado con clases virtuales, que son espantosas.  Los hermanos y hermanas están bien, al igual que la familia.  Algunos de nuestros amigos y las personas a las que predicamos también lo están haciendo bien.
    Con las Covid-19 vaccine, hay mucho miedo en las comunidades black y Latin communities, fuera de ellas.  2 de mis profesores están en contra, pero como todos los demás, dicen que es una elección personal.
     De todos modos .... ¿Qué hay de ustedes?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Equivocation in Merry Christmas friends   
    Erm.... Christmas? Dunno man 😬, for you see... That isn't my cup of tea for a multiple reasons, primarily Biblically. I am good with pleasing Jehovah God. Isn't better to be cool with Jah? Also that video.... I seen that guy before, he isn't always 100%. If you check his comment section you can clearly see some people against him.
    Also there is proof it is pagan, SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE GAVE THAT INFORMATION. And we all know Jesus wasn't born on December 25th because the American Calendar and the Jewish Calendar are different. Jesus' day of birth is unknown, however, due to a number of evidence we find in the Bible, it is most likely that Jesus was born around Autumn [Fall Seaon]. And the shepherds were out.
    And it isn't just us Witnesses who dont partake in that holiday, there are many others. Half the people in my class don't celebrate it,, even the teacher, although he is not religous he believes that Christmas connects to urban legend and spiritism. 
    Anyways, on other news, Home School isn't fun and I don't think I'll be on campus anytime soon.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Equivocation in Merry Christmas friends   
    Well I'm not a JW but there does seem to be evidence of pagan rituals in that part of December, such as worshipping the Sun.  So maybe not worshipping pagan gods, but more like celebrating pagan customs. 
    What religion is Yule? The Pagan celebration of Winter Solstice (also known as Yule) is one of the oldest winter celebrations in the world. Ancient people were hunters and spent most of their time outdoors. The seasons and weather played a very important part in their lives. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Russia’s religious persecution focuses almost exclusively on Jehovah’s Witnesses   
    Not to that extent, and hopefully that extent will not come. However, those Witnesses who lived in Soviet times say the persecution today is worse than that of Soviet times. Beatings were uncommon then. Today they are routine. And torture was unheard of then. It has taken place in the modern day.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Russia’s religious persecution focuses almost exclusively on Jehovah’s Witnesses   
    I didn’t want to spotlight that you know so little but you just push and push with each statement more ill-informed then then the next that you back me into a corner. In fact, nearly everything you say is wrong.
    You were the one who insisted that all minority religions are persecuted in Russia. Nobody made that case louder than you. Now we see through Rachel that the targets are almost exclusively JWs.
    You should at least make amends for your previous blunders before committing new ones.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Russia’s religious persecution focuses almost exclusively on Jehovah’s Witnesses   
    Maybe not so much sense as you think.
    Probably, Putin would know how to “look at it from a government’s viewpoint.” Yet, he is the one who said, “I don’t know why we persecute Jehovah’s Witnesses,’ since “they are Christians, too.”
    Nonetheless, those are the verses that apply, particularly since your “answer” is so easily debunked.
    Ignoring the obvious regarding spiritual things, you might even find that “the kingdom of God has overtaken you,” particularly since you offer NO substitute for the kingdom proclamation that they do. Why allow that to happen?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    ...including non-JW people, too, i guess. :))
    Is Bible, or some part of Bible, is OT, is NT, as Scriptures  or as Promise addressed for this or that people, it is a matter of (human) perspective and intention of Author and/or authors. I will not go in that issue, because not feel that i can defend any position. :))
    inherit verb (FROM DEAD PERSON) - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/inherit
    1) to receive money, a house, etc. from someone after they have died
    inherit verb (QUALITY)
    2) to be born with the same physical or mental characteristics as one of your parents or grandparents: 
    inherit verb (PROBLEM)
    3) to begin to have responsibility for a problem or situation that previously existed or belonged to another person:
    If I may, I would use this logic. According to the Biblical text from Genesis, and the interpretations of many religious people, God created man on Earth and for Earth. So, man and every next offspring, has a natural right to live on Earth, to use the Earth and to keep the Earth for himself and for others after him. The Earth, as a Planet, cannot be "inherited" in some legal sense, based on ownership of the Earth by our predecessors or by somebody else (Jesus, Angels, 144000 etc). The Earth is given as a gift to use, based on Genesis book.
    Do those who "inherit" the Earth also "inherit" life, temporary life, life until they die, eternal life, immortal life? From whom they (people of all sort, JW earth class, JW heaven class, etc) "inherit" something from this we numbered? Or, is such a life a gift, a reward, or something else?
    In order for someone to be able to “inherit” (in any sense of the word, literally and figuratively) land (Earth), he needs life. Without life man becomes earth (dust) and thus he alone becomes the object (dust) of inheritance for someone else. :))
    Blessed are the meek,  for they will inherit the earth. Mat 5
    In this Jesus' sermon, he don't said how "144000" and "great multitude" in Revelation will inherit the Earth.  No, he said how "meek" will inherit the earth. Also he didn't made claim how "144000" or "great multitude" are meek, as WTJWorg articles suggested. In fact, authors of those magazines created the image, premise that Jesus “heirs” would "inherit" the Earth because they are Jesus’ heirs. And Jesus' heirs are meek, not because they are meek in themselves, but because they are Jesus’ heirs. Circular Reasoning or something like that, i guess.
    And, they are "heirs" because they have a hope to be with Jesus in Heaven :)) as they explained/justified their "1919 appointments" in old WT magazines. This was "proof" as well as "self made claim" that Jesus saw how "only they spoke the truth in period from 1914 to 1919." :)) That also proved to be incorrect, as we today clearly see all this and that.
    Jesus told how God want to see all sort of (meek) people to be saved (and live on Earth, i guess)
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Russia’s religious persecution focuses almost exclusively on Jehovah’s Witnesses   
    “Russia’s religious persecution focuses almost exclusively on Jehovah’s Witnesses,” said Denber. (See below article)
    This is much stronger than I would have put it, but it is also from someone more in the know. Rachel Denbar is a spokesperson of Human Rights Watch. She spotlights human rights violations in Russia for all causes—not just religious, but also political, journalistic, persecution of gays, etc. When it comes to religion, there is only one worth mentioning, she reports.
    I have said that all minority religion in Russia is harassed, but that JWs are in the vanguard; I said in Dear Mr. Putin - Jehovah’s Witnesses Write Russia that JWs are banned, but others are shaking in their boots that they will be next. Turns out I was wrong. They can rest easy. For all practical purposes, it is only Jehovah’s Witnesses. “You don’t see this kind of ban on other sorts of religious life,” Ms Denbar says.
    https://www.christianpost.com/news/russia-sentences-66-y-o-jehovahs-witness-to-6-years-in-prison.html
    “In the 2017 Supreme Court case, the actual verdict wasn’t about condemning beliefs, it was about liquidating legal entities. Whether or not someone is a believer, really has nothing to do with liquidating a legal entity,” he said. “They’re using that law as a weapon and misapplying it to attack Jehovah’s Witnesses religious beliefs.”
    Of course! The notion of outlawing a religious organization but not the individuals of that religion is so duplicitous that ordinary people cannot get their heads around it and just carry on as though the people themselves were outlawed. It may have been planned that way. Or it may simply represent manipulation from devious ones, even a Devious One, who prefer to remain hidden.
    The 66-year old just sentenced to prison, where he will rub shoulders with violent criminals and risk getting COVID-19, says: I have found myself being accused not of a crime, but of being a follower of the religious teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I have no enemies, and for my almost 67 years I have never been brought to administrative or criminal responsibility. I am against any form of violence, be it verbal, psychological or physical.” Everyone knows it is true, save for a few fringe anticultists who equate not hanging out with those who turn 180 degrees against you as “psychological violence.” Everyone else instantly realizes the truthfulness of his statement.
    “The law targets those who are extremists or terrorists or dangerous. It’s a gross misapplication of the law.” Of course, again.
    And what are the chances, in any kind of a sane world, that these are the persons who would be persecuted, when there are so many who in the blink of an eye will turn to violence, and a few that specialize in it? It makes no sense from a human point of view. Therefore, persons can be forgiven if they look for a superhuman point of view—and there they can find one.
    “The Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time....[He] became enraged at the woman [mommy, according to Alan] and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.”
    I think of a local brother with a certain dramatic flair decades ago taking a globe onstage for his public talk. He quoted Matthew 24:14: “This good news of the kingdom will be be declared in all the earth for a witness and then the end will come,” and as he did so, he put his finger down upon this or that small area of the globe in which the area king said, “This good news of the kingdom WILL NOT be be declared in my part of the earth.” The unspoken question carried an implied answer: “Who will prevail—the maker of the globe or the one who would defy God on this small section of it?”
    Sometimes those who don’t like Witnesses will carry on about how they overstate their “persecution complex.” We see here from the Christianpost.com that, in reality, Witnesses understate it. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in RESIGNATION OR DISFELLOWSHIPPING OF GB MEMBER?   
    You're right, the title is total clickbait and before posting it, I should have watched it.   But!! I agree one hundred percent with the letter posted at the end of the video.   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    There will be no kingdom of God, if the capstone of the Temple is not sealed.  This is how important the priesthood of God is.   (Zech chapter 4; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)   They will not be found faithful holding onto the skirts of the GB, who tell them falsehoods.  They must give their life only to Christ. They must stand for HIS truth, not the doctrine of men.  His truth is the measuring line that they are judged by. (Zech 2:1,2; Rev 11:1-3)  You appear to have your own doctrine about the anointed; mixed well with the doctrine of false prophets.  
    Perhaps you can use some scripture to support your words.  
    The priesthood is God's "special possession", to be refined and trained to serve all of His children.  In this case, to serve all, they do receive "special treatment" as "first fruits", the "first born".  But this treatment is for the benefit of His children that follow.  You should have a little respect for the Temple of God.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Oh, I do try not to be arguementitive. Earlier i had an hour long conversation on the phone with an Elder, discusing many issues, so I'm now tired.
    Please, just for one moment stop this "But we have grown away from this teaching" Just be you. Don't be a representative of the Watchtower.....
    I agree it seems wrong to limit the message and value of the scriptures to only a few, but it is those 'few' that will be given full understanding. Meanwhile those scriptures will be misused by many including the GB / helpers / Watchtower.  
    Jesus said 'I have other sheep who are not of this fold'.  I believe that not all of Christ's followers in the 1st century were of the Anointed. But I believe the words of the Apostle Paul were only meant for the Anointed ones. 
    I think the True Anointed remnant are far more important to God and Christ, than the rest of us are, right now.  
    The complete 144,000 are needed to make that complete 'body of christ', whereas the number of the earthly class does not matter.  And I think God through Christ, will use the remnant to the full.  So I would have thought that anyone wanting to serve God properly would have the proper respect for that remnant and would support them fully, not tell them they shouldn't meet together.  The Anointed remnant should be taking the lead as the spiritual JEW, and the earthly class should be following as the 10 men.  Therefore I believe that Almighty God will give Holy Spirit, through Jesus Christ,  to the True Anointed, and i believe those True Anointed will teach truth to the earthly ones.  I think this will happen in good time, before Armageddon. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    .If you wish to believe those things then so be it. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    I do not care about 1930 as I said to you before I am a baby- boomer..... any case I read the bible and follow only new light.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    The mindset of both Jesus and the apostles was to expose lies. Your organization was set out to do this with Christendom, and now you are saying that the organization’s own lies must be tolerated and not exposed?  Jesus exposed the lies of his people, and those who are members of his Body, should do the same.  John 8:44; Eph 5:11
     
    Who truly has Christian traits? Those who tolerate false and changed teachings?   Or those who LISTEN to his warnings about false prophets to arise and mislead many, even the "elect"?  (Mark 13:22; Matt 24:24)
    Every single falsehood in the organization has no part with Jesus Christ who is pure truth. They are "doctrines of demons".  1 Tim 4:1
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Where does your loyalty stand, with the organization and a GB who are not inspired, or with God and Jesus Christ?  Where is the humility of men who cannot even consider their anointed brothers in Christ, but choose a vast army of unanointed "Gentiles" to do their bidding?  Are you as arrogant as they are? If God truly blessed the organization, he would make it possible for all of "Israel" to come together and lead it in truth.  Yet, instead, for rejecting lies, "Israel" can be condemned to "death" through disfellowshipping.  They are the victors against this Beast/organization.  (Rev 13:15; 15:2) In the end, only those who put their faith in God and Jesus, are saved.  This is why the road is narrow and cramped.  Don't you see?  Your leaders boast of how the organization is growing by leaps and bounds.  Growing!  That road is not narrow, it is broad leading to destruction.  Only those who listen to Christ, his pure teachings, will be on the road leading to life.  Every word proven to be a lie by these men will be their judge.
    Matt 12:37 -   For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Is the GB following Christ's example, by lording it over Christ's brothers?  Are Christ's brothers following him, or men?  Who really set up this arrangement of a composite "faithful slave" expecting obedience to them?  
    If you are told that you MUST obey the GB...no matter what they teach, right or wrong, this is a dominion created by men.  It is tyranny, a beating down of one's own ability to decipher truth from lies.   Jesus and the Father don't expect us to listen to failed teachings, and they certainly wouldn't inspire their true leaders with a false teaching. This is hypocrisy.
    "Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the Lord."  Jer 23:16
    "On the other hand, that servant, if he is wicked, may think that it will be a long time before his master comes. (1914, 1925...1975) The servant may begin to beat the other servants and eat and drink with the drunks.  His master will return unexpectedly.  Then his master will severely punish him and assign him a place with the hypocrites. People will cry and be in extreme pain there."  Matt 24:48-51
    Are you drunk on the wine of harlots/false prophets?  
    Rev.18:3; Jer.51:7; Matt.13:15; 1Cor.15:34; 1Pet.1:13; 5:8; 1Thess.5:6; Luke 21:36,35
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/01/spiritual-virginity-what-is-it.html
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    The Head is Jesus Christ.  What man has the right to dominate the Body as the GB has done to all the anointed?  
     For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
    Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion. Romans 12:3-8,16
    Isn't it true that the GB judges their own "brothers" in Christ, showing their superiority over all?  In fact, they have a full army of men not anointed to judge Christ's brothers.
    "Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand."  Rom 14:4
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in RESIGNATION OR DISFELLOWSHIPPING OF GB MEMBER?   
    Same for Croatia (or Europe, in fact).
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