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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    Now if you have been kind enough to read my main comment above, please consider this.
    From the GB as written in a Watchtower 
     Anointed Christians do not feel that they should spend time only with other anointed ones, as if they were members of an exclusive club. They do not search out other anointed ones, hoping to discuss their anointing with them or to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) The congregation would not be united if anointed ones did those things. They would be working against the holy spirit, which helps God’s people to have peace and unity.
    The GB say that the True Anointed would be 'working against the holy spirit,   What gives the GB the right to say such things ? 
    Jesus said to His disciples, who were of the anointed,  (recorded at Matthew 18 v 19 & 20 )
    Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. 20  For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.”
    How can these ones of the anointed 'agree' on anything if they do not communicate with each other ?
    How can Jesus be in the midst of two or three of the anointed, if they do not gather together. 
    So tell me, who is working against the Holy spirit ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in THE GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE FOR THE TRUE ANOINTED ONES.   
    The more I read the Greek scriptures, the more it is made clear to me that they are written for the True anointed Ones. 
    Romans 1 v 7 to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones
    1 Corinthians 1 v 2 to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones,
    2 Corinthians 1 v 1  to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, including all the holy ones who are in all A·chaʹia:
    Ephesians 1 v 1  Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, to the holy ones who are in Ephʹe·susa and are faithful in union with Christ Jesus:
    Philippians 1 v 1 Paul and Timothy, slaves of Christ Jesus, to all the holy ones in union with Christ Jesus who are in Phi·lipʹpi,a along with overseers and ministerial servants
    Colossians 1 v 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, and Timothy our brother, to the holy ones and faithful brothers in union with Christ at Co·losʹsae
    1 Thessalonians 1 v 1 Paul, Sil·vaʹnus,*a and Timothy,b to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
    2 Thessalonians 1 v 1 Paul, Sil·vaʹnus, and Timothy,a to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
    Note in Colossians 1 v 18, ( it is talking about Jesus and it says ) and he is the head of the body, the congregation.
    It is saying that the congregation is the Body of Christ. The Anointed.
    Verse 24 confirms this. .... in behalf of his body, which is the congregation.
    Verse 27  confirms that this was written for the True Anointed ones. 
    to whom God has been pleased to make known among the nations the glorious riches of this sacred secret, which is Christ in union with you, the hope of his glory.
    Colossians 3 v 4 When the Christ, our life,e is made manifest, then you also will be made manifest with him in glory.
    3 v 12 Accordingly, as God’s chosen ones
    At Thessalonians 1 v 1 to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
    Note the congregation in union with God and Christ. ONLY the Anointed are IN UNION with God and Christ. 
    The Congregation as referred to in the Greek Scriptures are the Anointed ones. 
    The Holy Ones in the Greek Scriptures are the Anointed ones. 
    Revelation 5 v 9 & 10 proves to us that Christ died for the Anointed ones.
    “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue* and people and nation, 10  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
    God's nations was once physical, but now it is Spiritual Israel. God's Congregation is God's Holy Ones, God's True Anointed Ones. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Shirley Lowery in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    Why are you questioning Jehovah? Through his holy spirit, our beloved governing body receives instructions! Just reading  about your topic really makes me wonder, are you even one of Jehovah's Witnesses? If you were, you wouldn't ever question our heavenly father, Jehovah! When you dedicate you life to serve Jehovah, you belong to Jehovah, and he through his holy spirit directs our Governing Body! You develop a close relationship with Jehovah, through our faith, and our trust we believe in Jehovah, and I'm so proud to say, that I have now for 48 years now, and over 8 million and growing everyday, people of the world are accepting Bible Studies, to develop their own personal relationship with Jehovah! Right now, were all living in a Pandemic, thousands of people are dying everyday, sadly 5,000 of our Spiritual Brothers and Sisters have passed away from Covid19! Jehovah has promised us in Romans 5:12: All those in the Memorial tombs will hear his voice... all our loved ones will be resurrected from the dead! So we just need to trust and rely upon Jehovah, for his protection from The Great Tribulation coming soon!!!! Also Jehovah always takes control over everything in his own due time!  The construction of Warwick began in September 2015, and was completed in April! On April 29, 2017, Saturday, hosted the second of two special open-house receptions, drawing a larger crowd, then the first event!  In a few years the construction of Ramapo will begin in 2022 and will be completed in December 2026, all with the backing of Jehovah, according to his will! So never question Jehovah!!!!!
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in DO THE GB HAVE PLANS FOR THE COMING GREAT TRIBULATION ?   
    I think the idea IS to have plans. But personally I don't think we should need plans as God can save anyone anywhere at any time regardless where they are.
    Only the ones who "worship" the organization might panic.
    I think at that time supernatural things WILL happen, because after all, Armageddon will be from a supernatural source, and to survive it, will have to involve miracles.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Witnesses sell, Elim buys   
    I remember the first big wave of closures of many Bethel around the world a few years ago. That was just before my complete departure from JWorg in 2015.
    Today I stumbled upon another in a series of sales of so-called “god-dedicated” JW buildings.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/9124458/Witnesses-sell-Elim-buys
     
    Elim Christian Centre is a contemporary, relevant and multicultural church established over 30 years ago.
    We exist to be a centre of hope, to reach, serve and influence our local communities and beyond.
    At Elim people come to know God, find freedom, discover their unique purpose and be equipped to make a difference in our world.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in WHAT JW'S BELIEVE OR WHAT JW'S TEACH OTHERS   
    Yes, it is the same about my 1941 topic. Perhaps, quotations from WT publications are too much to be able to digest :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from AlanF in WHAT JW'S BELIEVE OR WHAT JW'S TEACH OTHERS   
    AS the '607' topic was going way off topic I thought it best to start a new one.
    Jesus directed His followers to preach the 'Good News of the Kingdom'. JW's pretend to do this but....................
    In the '607' topic there has been much debate (off topic) about true teachings or false teachings. Some JW's only believe some of the GB's teachings and just let other teachings go by.   Some of the JWs call this being a mature Christian.  Other folks call it being physically in / mentally out.  I would call it being physically in but spiritually out. 
    BUT here's the rub. What does a JW do if they do not believe some teachings from the GB, but that same JW has to teach those teachings to others. ? 
    This happens in many ways.
    It would happen on the door to door work by distributing magazines promoting those false teachings.
    It would happen on the Cart / Trolly work by encouraging members of the public to take books and magazines promoting those false teachings.
    It would happen in a study, that pretends to be a Bible Study, for a newly interested one. I say pretends, because it is really a study of a book written by the GB's writing department. The book would be promoting the false teachings and the JW would be encouraging the interested person to believe those false teachings.
    It would happen by inviting an interested person to a Meeting where the false teachings are preached from the platform.
    It could be happening if a JW is posting out magazines to address given them by their Elders.
    And all this encouraged by JWs that do not believe those false teachings themselves.
    Hypocrisy ? I think so. But obviously JW's see it as being a mature Christian.  Do any of you JW's here promote false teachings ?
    Do you promote teachings that you yourself do not believe ? 
    ( It was a secondary reason for me to leave the JW Org. My Christian conscience would not allow me to teach lies to innocent people ).
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WHAT JW'S BELIEVE OR WHAT JW'S TEACH OTHERS   
    AS the '607' topic was going way off topic I thought it best to start a new one.
    Jesus directed His followers to preach the 'Good News of the Kingdom'. JW's pretend to do this but....................
    In the '607' topic there has been much debate (off topic) about true teachings or false teachings. Some JW's only believe some of the GB's teachings and just let other teachings go by.   Some of the JWs call this being a mature Christian.  Other folks call it being physically in / mentally out.  I would call it being physically in but spiritually out. 
    BUT here's the rub. What does a JW do if they do not believe some teachings from the GB, but that same JW has to teach those teachings to others. ? 
    This happens in many ways.
    It would happen on the door to door work by distributing magazines promoting those false teachings.
    It would happen on the Cart / Trolly work by encouraging members of the public to take books and magazines promoting those false teachings.
    It would happen in a study, that pretends to be a Bible Study, for a newly interested one. I say pretends, because it is really a study of a book written by the GB's writing department. The book would be promoting the false teachings and the JW would be encouraging the interested person to believe those false teachings.
    It would happen by inviting an interested person to a Meeting where the false teachings are preached from the platform.
    It could be happening if a JW is posting out magazines to address given them by their Elders.
    And all this encouraged by JWs that do not believe those false teachings themselves.
    Hypocrisy ? I think so. But obviously JW's see it as being a mature Christian.  Do any of you JW's here promote false teachings ?
    Do you promote teachings that you yourself do not believe ? 
    ( It was a secondary reason for me to leave the JW Org. My Christian conscience would not allow me to teach lies to innocent people ).
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to AlanF in Is "dynamic energy" a Proper Translation In Isaiah 40:26?   
    Is "dynamic energy" a Proper Translation In Isaiah 40:26?
    In various Watchtower publications the writer argues that the phrase "dynamic energy" that the New World Translation uses in Isaiah 40:26 implies that God inspired Isaiah with divine knowledge of Albert Einstein's most famous equation E=mc^2, i.e., that matter and energy are equivalent. But is this a valid claim? I will show that it is not.
    The 1998 Watchtower book Is There a Creator Who Cares About You? contains a typical example of this argument in chapter 6, "An Ancient Creation Record--Can You Trust It?" (pp. 90-91). After explaining what Einstein's equation means, that matter and energy are intimately related, it says:
    << From beginning to end, the Bible points to the One who created all the matter in the universe, the Scientist. (Nehemiah 9:6; Acts 4:24; Revelation 4:11) And it clearly shows the relationship between energy and matter.
    For example, the Bible invites readers to do this: “Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing.” (Isaiah 40:26) Yes, the Bible is saying that a source of tremendous dynamic energy--the Creator--caused the material universe to come into existence. This is completely in harmony with modern technology. For this reason alone, the Biblical record of creation merits our deep respect. >>
    The argument is wrong in several ways.
    We note that the scriptural quotation is from the New World Translation. The key phrase here is "dynamic energy". The book claims that this somehow has to do with the modern scientific concept of "energy". Does it? Let's go a few verses farther into Isaiah 40 and see. Verse 29 says of God, "He is giving to the tired one power; and to the one without dynamic energy he makes full might abound." Now, does that sound like God is giving "energy" in the modern scientific sense to the one who is tired and lacking power? Of course not. By the same token Isaiah 40:26 is not saying anything about the relationship between matter and energy.
    This can be seen further by looking at the meaning of the Hebrew word 'ohnim that the NWT translates as "dynamic energy". A variety of Hebrew lexicons yield the following definitions: "great strength, might, power, manly vigor", and these quite properly describe God. A better translation of these verses might be this, from Tanakh--The Holy Scriptures by the Jewish Publication Society: "Because of His great might and vast power, not one fails to appear... He gives strength to the weary, fresh vigor to the spent." It seems clear that the author of the Creator book has relied on a misleading translation to make his point. All that Isaiah is saying is that God is really, really big and strong.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "NUMBERS DON'T LIE, BUT YOU CAN LIE WITH NUMBERS"   
    I watched that this morning. Very good presentation about "hours" and statistic on preaching service, categorization.
    In my "last days of last days" period of my living JWorg i internationally put 30 minutes on report paper. Elder called me and say that i have to write new report because this i gave is not acceptable. Something like, give report next month on which i can put 30 minutes from this report. I reminded him how it is acceptable to put 15 minutes on report if you don't have more hours/time. Than he said that i have not permission from Elders for doing so. Or course, that was my last report :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in JW 2020 YEAR TEXT, AN INSULT TO GOD AND CHRIST   
    I thought the same thing when I read the year text.   They are baptized in the name of an organization - in the name of an idol. 
    Why do JWs say they follow scripture when it is evident that they follow the doctrine of men instead?  And why, do they make excuses for their doctrines?  
    So he said to them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written,
    ‘This people honors me with their lips,
        but their heart is far, far away from me.
    7 And they worship me in vain,
        teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
    8 Abandoning the commandment of God, you hold fast to the tradition of men.”
    9 And he said to them, “You splendidly ignore the commandment of God so that you can keep your tradition. "  Mark 7:6-9
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in JW 2020 YEAR TEXT, AN INSULT TO GOD AND CHRIST   
    OUR YEARTEXT FOR 2020: “Go, therefore, and make disciples . . . , baptizing them.”—MATT. 28:19.
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-january-2020/go-therefore-and-make-disciples/
    3. Jesus said: “Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, . . . teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.”
    True to Jesus’ words, today the disciple-making work is in full swing. Think of it! Nearly 300,000 people each year get baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses and become disciples of Jesus Christ!
    21 During 2020, our yeartext will help us to focus on improving the quality of our disciple-making work. It features some of the words Jesus spoke during that momentous meeting on a mountain in Galilee: “Go, therefore, and make disciples . . . , baptizing them.”—Matt. 28:19.
    What a complete insult to Almighty God and Jesus Christ. Why ? Because of chopping out half of the True Scripture to suit their own greedy selfish purposes. Read above, they "get baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses " 
    Matthew 28 v 18 - 20 
     Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19  Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20  teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”
    Anyone that cannot see the difference between the two baptisms must be deliberately blind.
    And, I have also noticed that only the NWT writers have chosen to write Holy Spirit with lower case first letters. Other translations give those words proper respect.  Just three examples. 
    Berean Study Bible
    Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
    New American Standard Bible
    "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
    New King James Version
    Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
    Choose for yourself whom you will serve, either serve the GB/Watchtower/JW Org, or, serve Almighty God through Jesus Christ. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    I agree, in fact. 
    If one believes in something, then we may wonder; Why should I convince him that he is wrong ?!
    Why JW preach the Bible to those people who believe in the Bible, but in a different way?
    Why ex-JW sends messages to JW that they are wrong when are submissive to GB in everything, when both, they and GB believe they are right in what they are doing ?!
    And answer on all these "why" is: God allows all that to happen... because he does not have  dilemma. 
    :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Problem that all this (Christian) religious leaders have is their idea how God and Jesus choose just/only Them and no one else. GB claims how God had chosen them in 1919 is huge farce. 
    In reality, fact can be verbalized this way: God allowed GB to introduce themselves as his servants in the same manner as God allowed satan to pretend to be an "angel of light". 
    Well, that ubiquitous response (God allowed) when there is no right/precise answer is not the answer that solves the dilemma.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    @Space Merchant becomes a JW at heart.  He uses the JW way of 'lumping all non JWs together'
    Shame on you SM, I thought you were better than that. 
    I could put it in capital letters for you I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT THE GB OR THE ORG  STATED THE END WOULD BE IN 1975.  I do hope that is clear enough for you. 
    Now you said  you responded to the remark about 1975, 
    I think a whole list of us responded to remarks about 1975.  BUT I never made any statement that the GB / Org said 1975 would be Armageddon..
    However we do ALL know things that the Leaders of the JWs said in the mid to late 60's and possibly early 70's. 
    SM, the simple question is, Do you think the Bible Students / JWs / Watchtower Soc' / CCJW  have made continuous false predictions from Russell onwards ? 
    I think it has been proven beyond doubt that the Leaders from Russell onward have not served God, but have raced ahead, trying to be clever, trying to run ahead of God and Christ, and in as much as saying 'The Master is delaying'.  
    If they are not saying such then why are they running ahead ?  Neither God nor Christ wants representatives that make false statements, tells deliberate lies and loads heavy burdens onto the shoulders of true Christians. 
    The Israelites had to be content with mana in the wilderness. So it should be for God's servants now.  The spiritual food from the Anointed to the earthly class should be just basic.  Meetings could be giving praise to God, not expecting some wonderful special dish to be served up.  Look at what happened when those Israelites demanded more.  
    Were the Leaders of the Watchtower / JWs frightened that they would loose their power, loose congregants, loose donations ???   And the GB have learnt nothing from the past mistakes. Nothing. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Quote @Srecko Sostar So, the meaning of the concept and the interpretation of words; "Be awake, be on watch", needs to be changed. And JW's need another/different "Watchman".
    I truly believe that different 'Watchman' will be the True Anointed remnant'   The spiritual JEW that the 'ten men' cling on to, saying 'We will go with you because we know god is with you'.  Zechariah 8 : 23
    This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"
    Quote @Anna Of course I do not think mistakes are from God or Jesus. But they obviously allowed them.
    God and Christ allow all false religions to do as they please right now, and have done so in the past.  So why do you think the 'mistakes' of the Watchtower / JWs is any different ?  
    Quote @Anna By whatever misguided means this state of anticipation was achieved throughout decades by the organization is not the question here. The fact is it was achieved and still is being achieved. No one can accuse the JWs of not being "on the watch". 
    No, what was achieved and is still achieved is FEAR.  FEAR of being disfellowshipped, cast out, losing all,
    Remember the lie, 'You must be a baptised JW to be saved'  Then add to that another lie,  'Armageddon is 'definitely coming in your life time'.  What result do you get ? You get people having to carry a heavy load and living in fear of being disfellowshipped.  
    The Org used to say that is was the Ark, and if you are not in the Ark you will die.  Threat after threat after threat. Scaremongering. And you call it 'Keeping on the watch'. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Dealing with the these words of Jesus as all religions try to do, and WTJWorg in particular, in a way that the end is always expected over and over again in every decade, is a complete failure. But, on the other hand, it is a fairly successful method of keeping people in a state of anticipation.
    Watchman would have an excuse to raise tensions about Armageddon if that really happened within a time-frame that would be “normal”. Just for the sake of parallel, we could take the example of Jeremiah’s prophecy of "70 years" of exile, from Israel. The Jews of that time could expect change when the prophesied years were completed. So it was normal for the people of that time to get married, to have children, to plant vineyards and build houses in such long period of years. 
    If there was a WTJWorg Corporation then what would they do? They would have real estate and they would buy and sell properties. Today WTJWorg doing exactly that in all this 140 years period despite warnings how "end is near/close/imminent/within few months/within few years/to the end of the century"..., and so on.
    Keeping people in a state of alert and caution for 140 years means that something is definitely wrong. All this time GB has repeatedly given advice that it is not good for JW to get married, have children, to get an education, because Armageddon will come soon and it could be bad for their spiritual safety.
    JW members, most of them, because of the continuous spiritual and mental spasm that "tomorrow" come to an end failed to be "normal" in their plans, which are typical for people. Even if we take the example of Noah and the people of that time, getting married, building houses and planting vineyards, for a period of 120 years, was not the reason for the coming of the Flood.
    What would have happened if all JWs had obeyed the instructions given to them by the WTJWorg in 1941? No one would marry, no one would have children. How many JWs would there be today if to this day no one in WTJWorg is married and has no children, because they decided to put "Kingdom interests first"?
    So, the meaning of the concept and the interpretation of words; "Be awake, be on watch", needs to be changed. And JW's need another/different "Watchman".
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Am I wrong in calling your leaders, "watchmen"?
    After the Kingdom was established, Jesus appointed a small group of men to serve as the faithful slave. (Matt. 24:45-47) Since then, the faithful slave, now known as the Governing Body, has done the work of a watchman. It takes the lead not only in warning of “the day of vengeance” but also in proclaiming “the year of Jehovah’s goodwill.”—Isa. 61:2; see also 2 Corinthians 6:1, 2. Pure Worship p. 127-128
    Again, WHO has appointed your watchmen?  
    "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."  Deut 18:20-22
    Scripturally, anyone has the right to reject your watchmen, since they have proven themselves  as not appointed by God.  We are not to be afraid of them.  For the GB to disfellowship someone for following scripture, shows that they are spiritually immoral harlots.  
    Rev 13:11,12; 17:1,2
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Oh right.  The barking dog scenario.  In other words, when God appoints a watchman, that one is bound to make mistake after mistake after mistake...when sounding the alarm.  And God and Jesus overlook the mistakes, simply because you believe the organization continues to be guided by God.
    But that's not how God's word describes a watchman appointed by Him.
    "Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and you must give them warning from Me."   Ezek 3:17
    "If the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?" (1Cor.14:8)
    None of the Armageddon calls by the organization proved to be...
    A clear call
    From God
    WHO has appointed your watchmen?  It wasn't God.  
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    I think the situation that was raised was that of: "a fairly successful method of keeping people in a state of anticipation".
    You are familiar with the scriptures that urge Christians to be in a state of anticipation. I don't think I need to quote them all here. 
    Of course I do not think mistakes are from God or Jesus. But they obviously allowed them. 
    By whatever misguided means this state of anticipation was achieved throughout decades by the organization is not the question here. The fact is it was achieved and still is being achieved. No one can accuse the JWs of not being "on the watch". 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    So can you provide a quote of them saying the world is going to be destroyed in 1975? If an ExJW risk his own channel to speak this truth, why not give a quote?
    As of recent, this ExJW is currently against other ExJWs the day he posted the video of whom they forced Youtube to shut him down.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Redress groups risk losing charity status (update)   
    Not defensive at all, according to what was brought forth the last time we spoke, it is 100% correct.
    The claims (News Corp) is regarding the money situation or these rumors that were going around prior to the Redress coming to a conclusion, to which were proven unfounded, granted there was no evidence; and when you were asked, along with the others, nothing was ever said. Yet a few months ago you and the others profess it as a truth when present day, this so called "truth" is unfounded still. The irony of it all, you guys attempted to educate someone on the difference between Alt-Left and Alt-Right with a silly representation of a video - what a joke.
    As of recent, the JWs are indeed still operating in Australia AFTER the Redress. Last I checked, anything related to the Redress or the latter a group and or institution DOES NOT CEASE FROM EXISTENCE despite the outcome. You have to be living in a dream world to assume after these events that suddenly a group or institution simply vanished from the country, that is silly. In regards to the Redress, as pointed out just because they do not acknowledge and or submit to such, does not mean they are gone. This also goes for the police in Australia and other authorities, who, although they get the blame in this too, are still operating as normal, but this time, with a history.
    I have seen the changes, in regards to what YOU wrote, there is no update, that is what I am referring to. Since June, we already know what the Redress Scheme was going to do to a number of groups and what transpired after that, and looking at recent news, it reflects that. Nothing big has happened every since then, hence my response. If you really wish to correct me, tell me something that WAS NOT SAID in regards to the Redress that is new now. Apparently - nothing.
    That being said, in regards to the Redress prior to, during and after, we know what changes were made, and since then, there was not much of an update after June (last recent being July) because the Redress made it clear what it's intentions were for those that did not sign with them oppose to others who rather stick to the Court System.
    The last known update was, like I said, back in June, the only recent, was news in July about the Redress Scheme.
    Next time if you are going to quote the Bible out of context, use it in the right situation, apparently, using that verse here regarding an event that has last been updated months ago isn't going to help you, and a specific verse, I have used time and time again, has already countered you in this regard, hence the lack of discernment and understanding on your part.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    @Anna says They (God and Christ) are doing that; through the scriptures.
    No Anna, your GB and it's Org are the ones doing it by misusing scripture. 
    Do you honestly think God and Christ would deliberately mislead millions of people that want to serve them ? 
    Do you really think Almighty God through Jesus Christ, gave all those lies to Russell,  Rutherford, and other Leaders of the Watchtower society ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Title of topic - Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?
    In this or some other wording, it really doesn't matter. Because all people who made examination about 140 years of WTJWorg teachings, except majority past and today JW members, clearly see how GB doctrines making never ending predictions about "the end". 
    Whether they are talking/speaking/predicting about a certain year or a limited period of time, or trying to confirm the coming of the end with world events, or the proximity of the end is linked to the life span of a specific group of people, GB always have one and the same desire; to be the first in the world to say; now comes the end..... and then they wait to see if it will finally happen to them .... this time.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    They are doing that; through the scriptures
    I do not think that.
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