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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to admin in Why Some Men Have Dogs And Not Wives   
    1. The later you are, the more excited your dogs are to see you.


    2. Dogs don't notice if you call them by another dog's name.


    3. Dogs like it if you leave a lot of things on the floor.


    4. A dog's parents never visit.


    5. Dogs agree that you have to raise your voice to get your point across.


    6. You never have to wait for a dog; they're ready to go 24 hours a day.


    7. Dogs find you amusing when you're drunk.


    8. Dogs like to go hunting and fishing.

    9. A dog will not wake you up at night to ask, If I died, would you get
    another dog??


    10. If a dog has babies, you can put an ad in the paper and give them away.


    11. A dog will let you put a studded collar on it without calling you a
    pervert.


    12. If a dog smells another dog on you, they don't get mad. They just think
    it's interesting..


    13. Dogs like to ride in the back of a pickup truck.


    And last, but not least:


    14. If a dog leaves, it won't take half of your stuff.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to The Librarian in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    That is not how the law works in the USA. If there was a plea bargain, arraignment or even a plea entered there would be a record of that. 
    You are making stuff up out of thin air at this point. All that can be seen at this point is the arrest and the charges.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in CCJW established 21st August 2000.   
    Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses, New York, incorporated in 2000 for administration of full-time preaching activities.
    I learned one detail just now while searching internet. WT Society is Company, Business, Corporation. And as such they uses all possible ways to do business as optimally as possible. Creating new corporations under the management of the Mother Corporation is part of the business.
    IRS using this and other terminology and WTJWorg accepts it. In the same manner as GB and Elders speaking about themselves how they are CLERGY :))) In  JW congregations, Christendom is Clergy, and they are Elders, but in the Courts they are Clergy too, because they want "secular government" to see them as CLERGY. And to have same status as Christendom Clergy.
    - https://www.irs.gov/publications/p517#en_US_2016_publink1000255884
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    That’s it!  That is the game played since beginning and what attracted the anointed and millions of others, from day one, until now. (Matt 24:4-6; Luke 21:8,9)  All of the signs were and still are, taken literally; and Armageddon was and still is, taught to begin at any moment.  So the organization became the only source of security, the only source of spiritual peace. (Ezek 13:8-12; 1 Thess 5:3) It is pounded into the minds of its members that everyone on the outside of the mountain-like organization, will die.  Most definitely, this is the use of evil cult-like tactics. 
    All who put faith in the organization, are putting faith in a repetitive broken record of lies. But JWs willingly “move ahead” with the organization no matter what suffering it has committed to its members, and what gross lies of promise it has made.   Gosh, what an incredible act of idolatry which has entrapped all of the anointed remnant over the last hundred years. (1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)  The apprehension of displeasing God is magnified, through displeasing the organization.
    “If we object to something done by the body of elders or criticize the way some matter is handled,     we are being disloyal to Jehovah’s organization.”   w74 7/1 pp. 407-413
    “How can we aid our brothers in prayer?  As we approach the universal war of Armageddon it is vital to stay close to Jehovah’s mighty organization.”  w72 6/1 pp. 328-333
    Stay close, stay loyal, stay faithful…to the Father and Jesus?  No! to the organization…that claims to have brought God’s people out of spiritual “Egypt”/Babylon.  
     “So we need to abandon the “present wicked system of things,” the antitypical “Pharaoh the king of Egypt and . . . his crowd.” We need to put ourselves on the side of Jehovah’s organization.”  w77 5/15 p. 313-314
     
    Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”
     2 And Aaron said to them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
    Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”  Exod 32:1-4
     
    http://armageddon-obadiah.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Yes, it’s something I read in @JW Insider topic: https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/39516-all-aspects-of-1914-doctrine-are-now-problematic-from-a-scriptural-point-of-view/ where he highlighted, among many points, also this one about "wars and rumors of wars" 
    Jesus said not to be fooled by the idea that wars and rumors of wars would be the start of a "sign" (Matt 24:4,5) Well, it seems how WTJWorg Leaders in the past and today are convinced how exactly WWI with all other wars are proof for start of Last Days (and Kingdom Rule).  
    It is fascinating how we see and read this Bible verse so many time and every time WTJWorg make us to believe GB and not Jesus ! Collective obscuration!!??
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Matthew 24 v 4 through 8. 
    Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.  You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.  Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.  All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    Jesus emphasized 'see to it that you are not alarmed' and that 'the end is still to come'  or, IS NOT YET. 
    Also most translation read as beginning of birth pains. But NWT reads as  beginning of pangs of distress. A big difference in giving birth, as opposed to, having pangs of distress.  
    Quote @Srecko Sostar  But, on the other hand, it is a fairly successful method of keeping people in a state of anticipation. 
    If you couple these fake 'signs' with the threat from the GB / CCJW that one has to be a Baptised JW to be saved, then this constant threat of Armageddon from the GB and CCJW / Watchtower, gets more people Baptised into the Org and therefore brings in more money.  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    Matthew 24 v 4 through 8. 
    Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.  For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.  You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.  Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.  All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    Jesus emphasized 'see to it that you are not alarmed' and that 'the end is still to come'  or, IS NOT YET. 
    Also most translation read as beginning of birth pains. But NWT reads as  beginning of pangs of distress. A big difference in giving birth, as opposed to, having pangs of distress.  
    Quote @Srecko Sostar  But, on the other hand, it is a fairly successful method of keeping people in a state of anticipation. 
    If you couple these fake 'signs' with the threat from the GB / CCJW that one has to be a Baptised JW to be saved, then this constant threat of Armageddon from the GB and CCJW / Watchtower, gets more people Baptised into the Org and therefore brings in more money.  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to AlanF in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    TrueTomHarley said:
    Still incredibly thick. Read my earlier post to Anna.
    Still lying. My mother and plenty of other older JWs are still around, and saw the false predictions of 1941, 1975, by 2000 and Real Soon Now. You think these people are zombies?
    [ Drivel deleted ].
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witnesses never made a direct prediction that the end would come in 2000?   
    If I may, I would interpret that this way: “Keep on watch” in the sense that we are rethinking our own way of life. And, that's what you have to do your whole life.
    The second part that talks about “day” and “signs” is too general, because there are signs always and everywhere. Regardless of their quantity and frequency. "Day and signs" in apostle time and for their time are one whole/unit, which begins and ends in one period of time and includes one system (limited geographically and temporally) and as such will not be repeated. 
    Dealing with the these words of Jesus as all religions try to do, and WTJWorg in particular, in a way that the end is always expected over and over again in every decade, is a complete failure. But, on the other hand, it is a fairly successful method of keeping people in a state of anticipation.
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in CCJW established 21st August 2000.   
    Bible scholars and Presidents, in the past and today, almost always uses same terminology about the beginning of Armageddon. :)) Of course, with 140 years of failed prognostics, now they using more "neutral" words as, "last days of last days" :)))) 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in CCJW established 21st August 2000.   
    You’re saying that God and His laws in Christ legalized the organization’s existence and worship, even though just one of the false teachings during that time was based on a book written by Russell – “Universal War Near”.  How soon was that war to take place?
    "...the scriptural evidence and the physical facts strongly indicate that such witness work is now almost done; and when it is done the universal war will begin. Universal war is absolutely certain to come and that soon, and no power can stop it. ...during the few remaining months until the breaking of that universal cataclysm the powers that rule the nations of the earth will continue to make treaties and tell the people that by such means they will keep that world peace and bring about prosperity. (Universal War Near, 1935, p. 3, 26-27)
    This was the same time period when it was admonished not to marry and have children, and the word of God supposedly backed this teaching.  Now, for someone who hates looking backward at old teachings, how can you say that your worship is legalized by God, when you refuse to look at the false teachings that occurred from the birth of your organization?  And if JWs excuse the vast record of falsehoods, by giving leeway to their leaders for their “mistakes”, who are they ultimately obeying, God and His laws in Christ, or men and their crooked decrees and teachings?
    Since when does God’s law permit lying?  Since when is God’s name glorified by a lie? 
    The God I worship does not legalize lies.  He does not acknowledge false worship.  I believe JWs should intensely consider who the god they worship, really is.  Rev 13:1,2,11,12
     
    This is what the Lord says:
    I, the Lord, made everything.
    I stretched out the heavens by myself.
    I spread out the earth all alone.
    I cause the signs of false prophets to fail
    and make fools of fortunetellers.
    I make wise men retreat
    and turn their knowledge into foolishness.  Isa 44:24b,25
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/obey-men.html
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in Crystal Lake man, church elder charged with failing to report   
    https://www.nwherald.com/2020/11/24/crystal-lake-man-church-elder-charged-with-failing-to-report-sexual-abuse-of-child/aqqnlcw/
    A Jehovah's Witness church elder is accused of failing to notify police about a known instance of sexual abuse against a minor in his congregation.
    Michael M. Penkava, 71, of Crystal Lake, was charged Nov. 18 with violating reporting provisions. The offense is a misdemeanor typically punishable by less than one year in jail.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in Crystal Lake man, church elder charged with failing to report   
    Maybe it should be at least five years in jail if proven true. I wonder how long the child has been suffering. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from César Chávez in Crystal Lake man, church elder charged with failing to report   
    I don't see @TrueTomHarley commenting on this one. I presume this Elder was breaking the 'Superior Authorities' Law as well as breaking God's 'laws' and Christ's instructions. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Why so many left?   
    Book Children 1941
    Should men and women, both of whom are Jonadabs or "other sheep" of the Lord, now marry before Armageddon and bring forth children They may choose to do so, but the admonition or advice of the Scriptures appears to be against it. Being married before Armageddon and both continuing faithful and surviving Armageddon, their marital relationship shall continue and persist after Armageddon. They receive their right to life everlasting after Armageddon, and after receiving that right to life their children then born would be born in righteousness. Page 312
    That would appear to indicate it would be proper that those who will form the"great multitude" should wait until after Armageddon to bring children into the world. Page 313
    Watchtower magazine 1941
    Cartons of Children that had been deposited in The Arena were now opened, and Judge Rutherford instructed the children how to come and each get a copy thereof, those in the rear half of The Arena marching in two columns out through a side exit, and those in the front half of The Arena marching up over the platform and out through a rear exit. As the march began, the orchestra (minus all its children instrumentalists) struck up and rendered songs, "Children of the Heavenly King," "The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon," and "Who Is on the Lord's Side'" while the vast audience sang. Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioners, on a contribution.    September 15 Page 288
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Why so many left?   
    FALSE prophets (of old and modern time) making "mistakes". Well, it makes huge difference. :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in CCJW established 21st August 2000.   
    EIN: 22-3765681
    Mission
    Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a religious organization that supports the religious worship of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States. Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses uses voluntary contributions to obtain buildings, hold large assemblies, support congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and coordinate Bible-based training programs, all for religious worship, and to provide humanitarian assistance to individuals suffering from natural and man-made disasters. These activities assist people in the community to be law-abiding citizens who live by high moral standards. - https://www.guidestar.org/profile/22-3765681
    Directors
    Name Title Shuster Allen E President LUCCIONI ROBERT VP Griffin Anthony VP NONKES WILLIAM H Secretary/Treasurer WEIGEL STANLEY F Assistant Secretary/Assistant Treasurer Ashe Richard Assistant Secretary/Assistant Treasurer Jefferson Jr. Thomas Assistant Secretary/Assistant Treasurer http://flcompanydb.com/company/F06000001390/christian-congregation-of-jehovah-s-witnesses-inc.html
     
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    ALLEN E SHUSTER, director,  branch nonprofit CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (New Mexico (US), 17 Jul 2008- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, director,  branch nonprofit JW CONGREGATION SUPPORT, INC. (Nevada (US), 6 Jun 2005- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, vice president,  branch nonprofit JW CONGREGATION SUPPORT, INC. (Nebraska (US), 20 Sep 2004- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, director,  branch nonprofit CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Nebraska (US), 30 Jan 2006- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, director,  branch nonprofit CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Michigan (US), 21 Mar 2006- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, treasurer, 28 Nov 2011- ,  branch nonprofit JW CONGREGATION SUPPORT, INC. (Arizona (US), 18 Aug 2005- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, president,  branch nonprofit CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Michigan (US), 21 Mar 2006- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, director, 28 Nov 2011- ,  branch nonprofit JW CONGREGATION SUPPORT, INC. (Arizona (US), 18 Aug 2005- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, director, 28 May 2013- ,  branch nonprofit CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Arizona (US), 2 Jun 2006- ) ALLEN E SHUSTER, president,  branch nonprofit CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (Nevada (US), 3 Jul 2008- ) https://opencorporates.com/officers/324037096
    https://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Austin/christian-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses/37224033.aspx
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in Crystal Lake man, church elder charged with failing to report   
    What I want to know is why the other elders are not being charged with anything?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Crystal Lake man, church elder charged with failing to report   
    Why did the parents not report it?  Are they dead?  Usually the parents (direct family members to the girl) are asked to report it - not an uncle.   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    Watch Tower in Pennsylvania is Mother No 1. (born in 1881) -  today: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania 
    After some time she born a Daughter, Watchtower in New York, or Mother No 2. (born in 1909) - today: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
    CCJW is Daughter of New York Mother No 2. (born in 2000)
    But this is simplistic way, i guess, because of their jobs . Somebody with better insight can elaborate this more accurately. :))
    They have separate, different area of activity, but GB is Top Managers for all of them. Of course, so called Helpers are in fact Directors (CEO) in various Departments or entities. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    New Corporations Formed
    The January 15, 2001, issue of The Watchtower reported on the organized way in which Jehovah’s Witnesses are continuing to move forward with the Kingdom work in all the earth. It also explained how various legal entities are used as instruments to facilitate the spreading of the good news. Such entities or corporations are necessary to conform to local and national laws, as required by God’s Word. (Rom. 13:1) Because of the diversity and scope of our work, the Governing Body has approved the formation of additional corporations to care for certain needs of Jehovah’s Witnesses here in the United States. The new corporations are as follows:
    Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Religious Order of Jehovah’s Witnesses
    Kingdom Support Services, Inc.
    These will operate along with Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania and Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. Congregations and publishers may receive correspondence from any of these corporations. Your cooperation with these adjustments made by the Governing Body in fulfilling its assignment to care for all the Master’s belongings will be greatly appreciated.—Matt. 24:45-47. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202002009
    Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses is a not-for-profit corporation organized on August 21, 2000, in the state of New York. The purposes of the corporation are religious, educational, and charitable. -https://www.guidestar.org/profile/22-3765681#summary
    The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a nonprofit corporation formed in 1884 under the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, U.S.A. It is used by Jehovah’s Witnesses to support their worldwide work, which includes publishing Bibles and Bible-based literature.
    According to its charter, the corporation’s purposes are “religious, educational, and charitable,” in particular, to “preach and teach the gospel of God’s Kingdom under Christ Jesus.” Membership in the corporation is by invitation only and is not based on how much a person has donated. The corporation members and directors assist the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. - https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/watchtower-society/
    According to simple explanations made on WTJWorg interenet pages it seems how all this corporations doing same work, namely:  purposes are “religious, educational, and charitable. 
    But for beginners like me it is interesting to read also this:
    Incorporation has many advantages for a business and its owners, including:
    Protects the owner's assets against the company's liabilities.
    Allows for easy transfer of ownership to another party.
    Often achieves a lower tax rate than on personal income.
    Usually receives more lenient tax restrictions on loss carryforwards.
    Can raise capital through the sale of stock.
     
    Other Advantages of Incorporation
    Incorporation effectively creates a protective bubble of limited liability, often called a corporate veil, around a company's shareholders and directors. As such, incorporated businesses can take the risks that make growth possible without exposing the shareholders, owners, and directors to personal financial liability outside of their original investments in the company.
    GB directing and approving all operations of all WT companies around the World. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    Thanks, for illustration. 
    Let continue with example you gave. One part of that story you presented speaking of "gun that is in possession of individual who are innocent".  I would like to ask you: If authority ask that individual to handle this gun with which crime was committed, would it be problem for him, innocent individual to hand over that gun to police?
    The message and lesson of your story would be this:
    CCJW go to police and court and say;  look, we have documents given to us (or, which we found in WT basement, or, which we purchased at a sale of WT property ...,) by the WT of New York. They produced those documents and they are responsible for the processes in which they participated. We are just a kind of warehouse, an archive in which we keep their documents. Please take this documents as sign of good will from our side, because we obey Cesar's law. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JUST HOW BIG OF A DEBACLE, WAS THE PROPHESY OF 1975?   
    @Srecko Sostar Thank you for the links / downloads. That has opened my eyes (given me new information).
    But it now gets more confusing to me. So what was the CCJW before it was the CCJW ? 
    I thought JW Org was just the website side of the organisation. 
    And I thought that the Watchtower was the 'business' side including the printing works. 
    The whole lot of them, including the Governing Body, are very devious and will be judged by God through Christ.  But in the meantime the Child Sexual Abuse will continue and Elders and Ministerial Servants will continue to get away with it. 
    My prayers to God to bring in a True Anointed or for God to start a new organsation before the Judgement arrives.  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Governing body again telling Jehovah what they want Him to do.   
    It looks like the reason that God will destroy all apostates, is because the organization is the “envy of any corporation”, according to the elder in the video included in the news article.   The organization has no peer and no rival.  And of course, the “preaching work” is done out of love for neighbor and “the sanctity of life”. 
    The sanctity of life stops with any who stand against this Beast. Forget what Jesus said about loving your enemy.   (Matt 5:43-48)  What would it be like if the GB said, “we’ve made mistakes, and we’ve mislead people.   We need to realize what damage we’ve done to many who believed in our teachings that proved to be false. Perhaps we should make amends with those who have lost faith in us – in our organization.  Perhaps we should look closer at the teachings of Jesus”. 
    No.  It has never been this way, and it never will.   
    “People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
    “The second beast (false prophet) was given power to give breath to the image (“spirit-directed”)  of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.”  Rev 13:4,15
    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/web-extra-jehovahs-witnesses-contact-government-officials-businesses-with-message-of-hope/
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