Patiently waiting for Truth

Par 12 WT 2006
"We therefore have reason to think carefully about our personal situation. Are we actually inside Jehovah’s arrangement of spiritual protection? When the great tribulation strikes, tears of joy and thankfulness will stream down the faces of those who have sought such protection. For others, there will be only tears of sorrow and regret."
When you carefully read this paragraph, it is important to note it is addressing people who have access to the Study version of the WT, which is studied at the KH of Jehovah’s Witnesses. . I do not see a resident of the slums of Calcutta mulling over this WT. Logically, it cannot apply to those people who are not in a position to read these words, and therefore it must apply to those who are able to make a choice, i.e. those who are associated with JWs, know what they should do according to Jesus, but are sitting on the fence. (Or it it sitting on their hands?)
The person in the slums can hardly have regret over something he was not aware of in the first place.

For JWs that "one conclusion" is that the existence of an earthly organization built by uninspired men, is taught as inspired by God. Yet, there are more than one "spirit" that can "inspire" men. (Rev 13:15)
"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [a]fall ("apostatize") away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons  by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron"  1 Tim 4:1,2
Who are the "some" and what do those "some" do?
"But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow their indecent behavior, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep."   2 Pet 2:1-3
The way of the truth is through Jesus Christ - NEVER THROUGH ANY ORGANIZATION THAT MEN WOULD BUILD.  But that is the one conclusion that every JW has come to believe.  Your leaders have denied their Master who bought them through the anointing.  They have effectively diverted the way of the truth, through their teaching that an organization is necessary to reach salvation.  
 

Did you, PfwT, know that you just falsely attributed to me words that I never typed?
1.). How did you get it to look legitimate?
2.). Was it an accident, or deliberate deception?
 

It is easy enough to check exactly what I DID type 16 hours + 20 minutes before your deceptive post. (When I posted THIS … your false attribution was 16 hours old, and your deceptive post was only 20 minutes old.)
3.)  Did you make this up yourself, or quote it from someone else, and then either way falsely attribute it to me?

The boxed “quote” is an example of false, manufactured “documentation”.  The added sentence I made up to show how false attribution can be done.

He did not do it obsessively. 

Ah, this is advertising for the JW Org i see. tithes = donations.  loopholes = clergy penitent privilege 
ever changing rules = new light.   not repentant hearts = immoral elders and m/s. 

I have indeed said myself that I'm due to destruction. As for all the other parts of Babylon the Great, this is a JW forum is it not ? And I 'don't do politics' I leave that to the rest of you. 
Look, it's quite simple. Yeshua showed up the faults of the Pharisees etc, but do you say that He had OCD because He did that ?   Yes, Yeshua had the right to judge them, and you might say i have no right to judge the GB and the Org. But as I've said before, each of us judge things and people everey day. As an example, it seems that tom has judged me to be a moron. But seriously, we all judge what we believe, who we believe, what is truth and what is lies. In my opinion we do not one day without making judgements of some type. You judge me and accuse me of OCD. 
If by giving the warnings that I gave, it helps to save one child from abuse, then I will be happy. If by giving the information that i give it helps just one person to steer clear of lies and destruction, then i will be satisfied.  And Yeshua will judge me. 
 

Answer me this question. Did your GB and it's Org teach that a person "Had to be a baptised JW to be saved" ?
I do not believe that the Watchtower / JW Org is HIS (YHWH) org. If it was it would be a clean Organsation teaching truth. 
But the JW Org is idolatry. And the worship is not pure because the GB and it's helpers try to 'run ahead' of God and His Son. 
I have been a JW, I have seen the hidden sins of the congregations and the false teachings of the GB / org. 

I suppose it depends what you mean by 'conflict'.  I would have thought physical violence would be stopped. Verbal disagreements would probbaly occur due to the unrightious being resurrected. It would be sad to think that anyone would be physically hurt in what should be a 'safe place'. 

I have indeed said myself that I'm due to destruction. As for all the other parts of Babylon the Great, this is a JW forum is it not ? And I 'don't do politics' I leave that to the rest of you. 
Look, it's quite simple. Yeshua showed up the faults of the Pharisees etc, but do you say that He had OCD because He did that ?   Yes, Yeshua had the right to judge them, and you might say i have no right to judge the GB and the Org. But as I've said before, each of us judge things and people everey day. As an example, it seems that tom has judged me to be a moron. But seriously, we all judge what we believe, who we believe, what is truth and what is lies. In my opinion we do not one day without making judgements of some type. You judge me and accuse me of OCD. 
If by giving the warnings that I gave, it helps to save one child from abuse, then I will be happy. If by giving the information that i give it helps just one person to steer clear of lies and destruction, then i will be satisfied.  And Yeshua will judge me. 
 

☺️  When wheels spin they make a sound, right? Thoughts put into words. The sound of the  spinning wheels in the brains of the GB, have produced their insane teachings.  "Conflate" - Instead of naming the list of doctrine, "Beliefs Clarified", "Beliefs Conflated" would be more appropriate.
Thanks for that.
 
 

Oh Tom.  
Matt 24:4,5 - And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray."
"Christ" means "anointed".  Is it not true that the GB are proudly saying they are the "anointed", who have come in the name of Jesus, but have led their flock astray more times than one can count, without a typed-up wordy list called "Beliefs Clarified" to count from?  Of course, all  wayward teachings of your leaders are not included on that list.  
Since Jesus is Truth, the list alone, has fact-checked Jesus away.  It accuses the Wt leaders before Jesus Christ, as false prophets, false teachers.
As Jesus said, "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”  Matt 12:37
 

I'll ask my son for a recap.
Who, is seriously spinning their wheels?  Who was implementing intense damage control in the May Broadcast on unity?  Be sure to listen in. 🙂
Truly, Wt. was not built in one day, but I guarantee it will come down a lost faster, than it went up.
Ezekiel chapter 13

WTJWorg points out, as far as I can remember, two things related to “salvation”; these are place and state. The place is - the JW Congregation which is part of the WTS legal body. The condition is - full membership in the congregation as a baptized member or as an unbaptized member on the way to baptism, or an individual as part of the family being baptized.
It is not entirely clear to me that you are reprimanding me for some things while at the same time you see / look at things like me, and you notice the problems of the "YHVH organization".

Still doesn’t say the ark equals Jesus ….I remember that passage…didn’t like it then and still don’t …..since 2006…the brothers now say only Jesus can decide who will be saved….WE CANNOT…long time in coming I admit,…just goes to show you one must study and reason and not beleive everything written…nor have heart failure and run for the hills screaming ..in panic….one must use the oil in the lamp…..remember…the apostles preached the kingdom had come on their first mission….they no doubt had to eat those words….there are a number of things the WT has had to be humbled on….this is one ….
Sereko you are as shallow and panicked out as they come…you must learn to reason….the WT is not the Bible …it is not holy….those who write it are not holy…it’s a tool…it’s a guidance which gets things wrong from time to time…and some who have written some things have had to eat humble pie…
I did not get my knickers In  A knot over that passage when I read it years ago….I sighed deeply and wondered how they ever passed it..and just who on earth wrote it…
Needless to say Bro Luciano gave a excellent talk recently on …..it is only Jesus who can Judge who will be saved NOBODY else can say that or even try to say it….he was politely letting us know..the above statement is wrong….

I’m working up a post with more on that topic of so many going down in the census and subjects related but I’m just not going to do it in front of that moron who ignores the substance of any remark to insert some completely irrelevant insult of those taking the lead in the evangelizing work. In time it will be in the closed forum.

@Srecko Sostar "WTJWorg describes its organization as a “place of salvation,” as Noah’s ark."
 
 
 
She undoubtedly believes that the organization is the means of salvation, but here comes the conflict:
@Arauna - No the Org. is NOT the means to our salvation... but Jesus' ransom  and his father Jehovah. 
I notice double blindness is rampant among JWs, a deflecting of any evidence verifying what the GB teaches, and what a JW may believe.  As Arauna many times does, they seem to pick and choose the doctrines they prefer, or the wording they prefer, while dismissing what the leaders may teach in that regard. This, while still holding in reverence, the self-elected position of these false teachers. (Matt 24:24,25; 48-51)  Only exjws who bring out the conflict of belief, as Srecko did, are the “haters”, those with "OCD". JWs can question a doctrine, perhaps realizing it is a lie, and at the same time support the leaders who taught the lie.  That's really all that a JW must do to preserve their place in the organization.  And like Arauna, they are not aware of their own “present truth” – present truth for that year, and for that month. Obviously, Wt. doctrine is hard to keep up with. 
The labels “governing body”, “faithful slave”, “elders”, “organization”, are defended, ruthlessly.  Truths and lies can come and go, but according to Samuel Herd, UNITY to those labels, to the concept behind them; unity practiced at all costs, and defense of men -  their idol and their bogus leadership -  are the only glue that holds these blind people captive in the Wt. (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 3:17)
I have four geese, two male, two female, who defend their nest when they are put up each evening.  No matter what feed, what treats they are given, the males attack ruthlessly.  They could starve to death if allowed, if I walked away and let them defend their “organized” haven.  Yes, if I let them, they would create their own famine, just as JWs have done, out of blind spiritual, stiff-necked stupidity.  (Amos 8:11; Rev 18:8)
They refuse to face the truth.  2 Thess 2:9-12
 
How to identify true prophets
 

No the Org. is NOT the means to our salvation... but Jesus' ransom  and his father Jehovah.  If you are dedicated to Jehovah and his Son and you are associated with his org.  you are assisted to maintain pure worship (without idolatry etc.) and to remain in a relationship with them. This helps you to remain in this life-saving situation. 
From your hateful attitude and complaints about everything (except complaints against Satan's organization - which is world wide) - I would say you are well on the way to self-destruction.
 

So you learnt nothing from my example....... .back to the GB - OCD hate.  ... Now i know what I deal with. 

That does not prove that the JW Org is the means to salvation. 
As for baptism I've often wondered who has the 'authority' from God through Yeshua, to baptise people. The instruction was given to the disciples / apostles, that became the Anointed ones at that time.
Also Yeshua gave specific instruction in how to baptise
Berean Study Bible Matthew 28 : 19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,"
But your Org does not follow those instructions, so their baptism is false. 
I think a person should be baptised as a Christian, not as a member of an Organisation. 
I do wonder, if we are all allowed to preach and teach, then should we all be allowed to baptise others ? 
As for dedication, JWs dedicate themselves to the GB and it's Org, not to YHWH through Yeshua. This can easily be shown by the fact that JWs will preach / teach only the things that the GB / Org tells them to preach / teach.  
Time has shown that to be fact and proven it to be so wrong. And people will have died because of it. 

Thank you Srecko. That article certainly does show that the GB were making that comparison.
Quote 11. "However, we do well to remember that only those actually inside Noah’s ark survived the Flood."
"12 We therefore have reason to think carefully about our personal situation. Are we actually inside Jehovah’s arrangement of spiritual protection? When the great tribulation strikes, tears of joy and thankfulness will stream down the faces of those who have sought such protection. For others, there will be only tears of sorrow and regret."
"13 Jehovah has brought about progressive adjustments in the earthly part of his organization....."
I think Srecko has proven the point through that JW article. 

That THOUGHT was still around in the 1960's and 70's here in England in the JW religion. 
And added to that was,( and probably still is) that 'You have to be a baptised JW to be saved'. 
Those two THOUGHTS were pushed on newly interested ones here in England. (I know, I was that 'soldier') 

Jesus managed conflict correctly all the time.  Free thinking allows for different views on things - but people will allow different viewpoints when it is not morally wrong. Morally wrong things will be corrected. 

I leave all the judgement in the hands of jehovah.  You think YOU are the vehicle of God to do that. If you lived in the time of David you would have been a rebel clamouring with the people that jehovah must destroy David for his sins. Many died because he had a sensus taken of the nation.... I believe in modern language that is called collateral damage..... 

True,  Jesus will do the judgement but in the final analyses he does it for jehovah during the 1000 years and the gives all back to jehovah.