Patiently waiting for Truth

Let’s see, in this video clip, seven Wt leaders, including Fred Franz and his crafty speech about it, promoted 1975 as the coming year for Armageddon.  I wonder if these leaders were all purged from the organization.  Certainly Franz wasn’t.
If we look before that that time to the past prediction dates of Russel and Rutherford, I don’t see that they were "cleansed" from your organization either.
But, you are speaking of those who followed their teachings, aren’t you.  The leadership is exempt, but the people who must obey the leadership’s teachings are considered the culls if they realize that after all the failed dates of Armageddon, (and teachings needing “new light”) this organization is built on false promises.  That seems rather unfair, don’t you think?  
Does God see the wisdom in those who reject falsehoods and the teachers who speak them, or those who continue to tolerate false promises and those who teach them, as you are doing?
The Harlot in the last days is spiritually immoral, which means she pours into her cup, “wine” or teachings that are deceiving.  To those whom she shares this cup of spiritual falsehoods, the target of blame falls on them when her lies don’t come true.  She softens the sins she herself has committed with more false promises of “peace”. (Ezek 13:10-12; 1 Thess 5:3)  This is how she deceives you, into drinking more of her wine.  She instills fear and guilt and abuse, if you were to reject her wine – her teachings.   Rev 17:1-5
 I suggest you put down the Harlot’s cup, and sober up. Instead of looking at those who have left the organization as the culls, begin looking at your own leaders and their faults.  God has NEVER condoned lies from the mouth of teachers that He would send. (John 8:44; Matt 24:4; 1 Tim 4:1)  God has NEVER expected people to tolerate them.  It is the wise ones, who know when to cleanse themselves of the organization’s lies.  Why are you excusing your leaders for creating lies and then expecting you to accept them?  Have you forgotten how many people can adversely be affected by one lie that they built their life around?  Have you forgotten, that those who sold all of their goods to prepare for 1975, were commended by your leaders for doing so? 
 
I do not sit with the deceitful,
    nor do I associate with hypocrites.
5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers
    and refuse to sit with the wicked.  Ps 26:4,5
 
 
 

The Governing Body never ever said that 1975 was the end of this world, All that is written in the publications  is that it was 6,000 years since Adam`s creation, and people read that as a sign in their own minds that because of 6,000 years and Jesus would reign for 1,000 years that would make 7,000 years and it would be Jehovah ruling after that. No where in what the publications says, So stop living in a fantasy world world, 1975 was a great year because it cleansed the organization of people who was serving with a date in mind and not in the faith and looking to what the Bible says the sign would be for the last days. Oh by the way I`m very happy it didn1t come because I was not in the truth in 1975.

Seconded.

Sounds like all of the above!

Government restrictions on religion increasing worldwide
By DAVID CRARY July 15, 2019 - https://apnews.com/article/3f554ea6fe6a42c08c0618745eee8c2b
NEW YORK (AP) — Government restrictions on religion have increased markedly in many places around the world, not only in authoritarian countries, but also in many of Europe’s democracies, according to a report surveying 198 countries that was released Monday.
The report released by the Pew Research Center, covering developments through 2017, also seeks to document the scope of religion-based harassment and violence. Regarding the world’s two largest religions, it said Christians were harassed in 143 countries and Muslims in 140.
............ In Spain, according to the report, some municipal governors have introduced bans on burqas and face-covering veils, and have also restricted public preaching and proselytizing by such groups as the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Circumcision of boys also has been an issue in Europe. Muslim and Jewish groups in Germany and Slovenia have complained of government officials interfering in their religious traditions by trying to criminalize circumcision for nonmedical reasons.
............ Another category in the report was religious harassment by individuals and social groups. The United States ranked among the worst-scoring countries in this category in 2017, in part because of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where white supremacist protesters displayed swastika flags and chanted anti-Semitic slogans.
Pew said the biggest increase in religious hostility by individuals occurred in Europe. Victims of violence, in incidents cited in the report, include Jehovah’s Witnesses in Ukraine and a rabbi and a Muslim woman in Belgium.
In Germany, Pew said, there were reports that thousands of refugees were pressured to convert to Christianity after being warned they might otherwise be deported.................
“Almost every faith that’s a majority somewhere is a minority somewhere else and often gets persecuted where they’re a minority,” Brownback said at a State Department briefing. “So that’s why a big part of our effort is to get the faiths to come together and to stand for each other.”
“We’re not talking common theology here — nobody agrees on theology,” he added. “We’re talking about a common human right.”
After this article and highlighted/bold ending quotes i will continue to remind readers with recent example how religious leaders and their lawyers unitedly acting in their searching for "human aka religious rights/freedom". 
WT Lawyer David Gnam, under WTJWorg GB approval and blessings, he sought, received, and accepted the support of his religious dissenters (in this Court case they are Intervenors. There were 12 intervenors in the case — eight were religious organizations, including the World Sikh Organization of Canada. - https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/news/general/scc-says-courts-cant-decide-procedural-fairness-of-religious-organizations/275200).
In different circumstances they are all “spiritual enemies” of JW elder David Gnam. Moreover, JW elder David Gnam in his preaching activity and from the assembly podium explains how the religious leaders of all other religions that do not belong to JW will be destroyed because they are Christ’s opponents who advocate the devil’s false teaching. 
It is of great importance to see the WT JWorg hypocrisy in this example. Official doctrine forbids JW members from associating with “unbelievers” except when they are in the "field service of preaching the gospel". David Gnam does not preach the gospel in the courtroom nor refute the false teachings of these other religious and secular “false teachers”. What does David Gnam, JW elder and lawyer, do? He teams up with leaders of “false religions” to gain their support and win in secular court.
With what result?  Respondent’s Lawyer said this:
"The decision seems to say the courts will not intervene in unfair practices by religious groups, even if their decisions have severely detrimental effects, as religion and its community membership can be so central to a person’s life.
“One need only think about what religious organizations are all about to understand the huge potential for expulsion or shunning to detrimentally affect a member's life. . . The potential for harm at the hands of a religious organization is, therefore, great,” he says.
 
Other Parties Canadian Council of Christian Charities Intervener Active Association for Reformed Political Action Canada Intervener Active Canadian Constitution Foundation Intervener Active Evangelical Fellowship of Canada Intervener Active Catholic Civil Rights League Intervener Active Christian Legal Fellowship Intervener Active World Sikh Organization of Canada Intervener Active Seventh-Day Adventist Church in Canada Intervener Active Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms Intervener Active Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Canada Intervener Active British Columbia Civil Liberties Association Intervener Active Canadian Muslim Lawyers Association Intervener Active  https://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/parties-eng.aspx?cas=37273

"How dare you think.."...... moral high ground, arrogant words..... contentiousness..... egotism.   I will not try to reason with you because you are beyond being reasonable. 

By YOUR superior standards of course as you have appointed yourself judge and executioner of what is acceptable.  I remember a group of people with this attitude. They decided to kill the true messiah. 
The only part of your statement that is a acceptable is that the world is morally corrupt.

To help finding context, some more quotes from another WT publications:
 What Does Religious Freedom Mean to You?
Surely, we would expect any nation that genuinely cares for its subjects to grant such freedom. Sadly, this does not always happen.......Consider, for example, the situation that prevailed for many years in Mexico. Although the Constitution guaranteed religious freedom, it stipulated: “Churches used for public worship are the property of the Nation, represented by the Federal Government, who shall determine which ones can continue to be used as such.” In 1991 the Constitution was amended to end this restriction. Nevertheless, this example illustrates that religious freedom may be interpreted differently in various lands.....Interestingly, however, there is a kind of religious freedom that does not depend at all upon locale. While in Jerusalem in the year 32 C.E., Jesus said to his followers: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”—John 8:31, 32. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1997080
 
Protecting Freedoms—How?
We naturally tend to reject or suspect that which is different or unusual, especially views that differ from our own. Does this mean that tolerance is impossible?...What should be the aim of this education? The magazine UNESCO Courier suggests that instead of fostering rejection of religious movements, “education for tolerance should aim at countering influences that lead to fear and exclusion of others, and should help young people to develop capacities for independent judgement, critical thinking and ethical reasoning.”....
 
The Best Way to Fight Intolerance
Tolerance does not mean that everyone should have the same ideas. People might disagree with one another. Some may feel strongly that the beliefs of another person are very wrong. They may even speak publicly of their disagreements. However, as long as they do not spread lies to try to incite prejudice, this is not intolerance. Intolerance is seen when a group is persecuted, targeted by special laws, marginalized, banned, or in some other way hindered from following their beliefs. In the most extreme form of intolerance, some kill and others have to die for their beliefs.
How can intolerance be fought? It can be exposed publicly, as the apostle Paul exposed the intolerance of religious leaders of his day. (Acts 24:10-13) When possible, though, the best way to fight intolerance is to work proactively—to promote tolerance, that is, to educate people to understand others better. The UN report on the elimination of intolerance referred to earlier says: “As all forms of intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief have their birth in the human mind, so it is at human minds that action should initially be directed.” Such education may even lead individuals to examine their own beliefs. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101999003
It is notable, now, how WT publications in those periods of time, made praises to UN and try to show how UN goals are of benefit for all people, including JW.
Does WTJWorg stand today on same UN ideas about "religious tolerance" or you think how WTJWorg changed "context" for different sort of understanding? :))
WTJWorg public claims are how JW members have to "tolerate" and "respect" other religious ideologies. What does this mean in "your context" of understanding? To "shun" people who think differently? And to not even say "simple hello" to ex-JW? :)) 
Obviously, you are not part of such JW majority, because you doing even more than simple hello, you discuss spiritual things with ex-JW, which is forbidden activity according to JW Leaders. It seems you show more religious tolerance and less discrimination than GB mandatory instructions. And that is good. Up-vote for you!

I quote @Arauna 
One cannot compare this to JWs. We allow people to choose their religion - but we cannot condone those who are traitors to Jehovah.  We do not mix with those... but we do not stop them from practicing their new choices. 
Reading this actually made me feel sick.
How dare you think you have the right to condemn people. You are so full of hate from the teachings of your GB. It is your GB that instills this type of belief into JWs. 
The CCJW does not own Almighty God or Jesus Christ. Will you never understand until it is too late for you ? Your GB are the ones that have turned their backs on God and Christ. But you just love having your ears tickled by your GB and the Org. 
It is sad. Your GB are stumbling blocks to so many people. Your GB continue to tell lies and to 'err', but JWs continue to serve them. Your GB continue to cover up the Child Sexual Abuse and continue to hide the pedophiles in the CCJW. Your GB will not appologise to victims of CSA and refuse to pay compensation to them. And you have the stupidity to say it is others that are 'traitors to Jehovah'. 

I quote @Arauna 
One cannot compare this to JWs. We allow people to choose their religion - but we cannot condone those who are traitors to Jehovah.  We do not mix with those... but we do not stop them from practicing their new choices. 
Reading this actually made me feel sick.
How dare you think you have the right to condemn people. You are so full of hate from the teachings of your GB. It is your GB that instills this type of belief into JWs. 
The CCJW does not own Almighty God or Jesus Christ. Will you never understand until it is too late for you ? Your GB are the ones that have turned their backs on God and Christ. But you just love having your ears tickled by your GB and the Org. 
It is sad. Your GB are stumbling blocks to so many people. Your GB continue to tell lies and to 'err', but JWs continue to serve them. Your GB continue to cover up the Child Sexual Abuse and continue to hide the pedophiles in the CCJW. Your GB will not appologise to victims of CSA and refuse to pay compensation to them. And you have the stupidity to say it is others that are 'traitors to Jehovah'. 

Reading the news could make a person ill right now.  I've joked with Tom how Armageddon could be ten years away yet, but looking at world conditions it could easily happen today or tomorrow. What I find so disturbing is the 99.9% dishonesty everywhere. All politicians / governments. All religions. Even most ordinary people cannot be fully trusted. 
It is very sad that not one religion can be trusted to give honest answers to honest questions. It is not God's fault of course. Even when God had His own Nation, those people turned their backs on Him at times. And now it seems as if all religions have also turned their backs on God and Christ. 
My hope is that God will 'raise up' a True Anointed remnant, to lead His people to truth and light, through Jesus Christ. Ahh, but I hope it happens very soon. The world is certainly becoming a 'darker' place for everyone. 

I quote @Arauna 
One cannot compare this to JWs. We allow people to choose their religion - but we cannot condone those who are traitors to Jehovah.  We do not mix with those... but we do not stop them from practicing their new choices. 
Reading this actually made me feel sick.
How dare you think you have the right to condemn people. You are so full of hate from the teachings of your GB. It is your GB that instills this type of belief into JWs. 
The CCJW does not own Almighty God or Jesus Christ. Will you never understand until it is too late for you ? Your GB are the ones that have turned their backs on God and Christ. But you just love having your ears tickled by your GB and the Org. 
It is sad. Your GB are stumbling blocks to so many people. Your GB continue to tell lies and to 'err', but JWs continue to serve them. Your GB continue to cover up the Child Sexual Abuse and continue to hide the pedophiles in the CCJW. Your GB will not appologise to victims of CSA and refuse to pay compensation to them. And you have the stupidity to say it is others that are 'traitors to Jehovah'. 

We allow people to choose their religion - but we cannot condone those who are traitors to Jehovah.
This statement and such attitude shows "religious discrimination". It seems how everyone who choose different religion belongs to "traitors" of JHVH. 
Islam claim how Abraham, Moses and Jesus + Mohamed are God's representatives of true religion aka Islam. 
In time of Moses, practicing another religion or different beliefs was also punishable by death.   
Well, after having past and present facts, we face the question: Do we want religious freedom for all or only for selected? 

If you noticed Bahrain, Maldives etc are all Muslim countries who do not allow other religions to be practiced in their countries... even if it is another brand of Islam.
One cannot compare this to JWs. We allow people to choose their religion - but we cannot condone those who are traitors to Jehovah.  We do not mix with those... but we do not stop them from practicing their new choices. 
In most Muslim countries you can go to jail or be killed for practicing another religion. Bahai religion is banned in Iran and persecuted...most have fled the country. Iran now executes apostates on the smallest of pretexts....  

Dear members of JW. I would like to draw your attention to an article in your journal Awake, Under the headline, the author of the article, who is no doubt a JW, put the ideological idea of UN organization from 1948. You call that same organization "the scarlet colored beast that came out of the abyss" and how this Beast is "full of blasphemous names."
How is it possible that the author of the article, with the approval of GB, invokes such an organization and accepts the “blasphemous” ideology of Article 18 and at the same time “prophesies” against the UN?
Let's see what Article 18 says.
Religious Intolerance Today
“Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.” Article 18, Universal Declaration Of Human Rights, 1948. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101999001?q=minorities&p=par
Article continues:
DO YOU enjoy religious freedom in your country? Most countries in the world ostensibly subscribe to this noble principle, ....It is estimated, however, that in numerous countries where intolerance and discrimination are hard realities, countless millions of people today do not enjoy religious freedom. ....
“Discrimination based upon religion or conviction exists in almost all economic, social, and ideological systems and in all parts of the world,” noted Angelo d’Almeida Ribeiro, former Special Rapporteur appointed by the UN Commission on Human Rights. In their book Freedom of Religion and Belief—A World Report, published in 1997, editors Kevin Boyle and Juliet Sheen state: “Religious persecution of minority faiths [and] the proscribing of beliefs and pervasive discrimination . . . are daily occurrences at the end of the twentieth century.”....
Religious discrimination can take many forms.....The book Freedom of Religion and Belief cites other examples of intolerance: “Heresy and heretics are not only an image from the past. . . . Rejection, persecution and discrimination towards those who have taken a different path remain a major cause of intolerance. ...." Clearly, religious freedom is under threat in many parts of the world....
..., the director of the Human Rights Centre of the University of Essex, United Kingdom, observed: “All evidence points to the conclusion that religious intolerance . . . is increasing rather than decreasing in the modern world.” Such increasing intolerance threatens religious freedom, perhaps your religious freedom. Why, though, is religious freedom so important?.....
Freedom of religion is like part of the foundation of a building. Other freedoms—civil, political, cultural, and economic—are built upon it. If the foundation is undermined, the whole edifice suffers....
If other freedoms are to be protected, religious freedom needs to be safeguarded first.
In order to discern how best to protect something, it is essential to understand it. What are the roots of religious freedom? How was it established, and at what price?
The parts of the text that I put in bold are the messages of the author of the article. It is very hypocritical for the author of an article to invoke something that forbids to their own members. And if some member change or is in process of changing their religious beliefs, then the Organization, together with its members, subjects them to religious intolerance and spiritual and literal persecution.
JW members in their public preaching announce that there will come a New World in which only those who accept the WTJWorg doctrine will live and be able to exist. Please, then, what kind of religious tolerance and religious freedom do you want to exist today and tomorrow for the religious majority and for religious minority?

It's interesting to note the progression towards annihilation of Babylon the great isn't it.  

@Srecko Sostar I find that kind of funny.  But I expect the GB are happy getting money from anyone right now.  I hope they use it to pay compensation to victims of CSA. 

@Srecko Sostar I find that kind of funny.  But I expect the GB are happy getting money from anyone right now.  I hope they use it to pay compensation to victims of CSA. 

West Lakeland Township officials are considering purchasing the former Jehovah’s Witnesses Kingdom Hall building and turning it into its town hall.
The 2,300-square-foot building is at the southwest corner of the intersection of Stagecoach Trail and 10th Street North. It is listed for sale for $360,000; Petersen Properties has the listing.
The town board currently meets at Oak-Land Middle School in Lake Elmo and rents office space at the Joshua Taylor building in Lake Elmo.
Township supervisor Gary Horning said buying the building makes sense. He said West Lakeland officials sometimes have difficulty securing the school for its monthly town board meetings. He also is concerned that the price of renting office space — currently $700 a month — could increase when the Joshua Taylor building is remodeled.
The Kingdom Hall is in a good location, and there is easy access in and out of the building, he said.
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Another Kingdom Hall up for sale.  I wonder why ? 

Here is another KH sold to Islamic centre. :)) 
https://acorn.agencypilot.com/store/documents/other/253504_49hn3294r6063mrc.pdf?agtype=7&agkey=444+26748
https://www.hyderi.org.uk/news/development-of-new-hyderi-islamic-centre-into-multipurpose-comple/?fbclid=IwAR3AKpazFX-0lkXSr4zwQTyqgVhUD3pJ8tgliM9kV8e_TYJWPManPjiot2w
 

West Lakeland Township officials are considering purchasing the former Jehovah’s Witnesses Kingdom Hall building and turning it into its town hall.
The 2,300-square-foot building is at the southwest corner of the intersection of Stagecoach Trail and 10th Street North. It is listed for sale for $360,000; Petersen Properties has the listing.
The town board currently meets at Oak-Land Middle School in Lake Elmo and rents office space at the Joshua Taylor building in Lake Elmo.
Township supervisor Gary Horning said buying the building makes sense. He said West Lakeland officials sometimes have difficulty securing the school for its monthly town board meetings. He also is concerned that the price of renting office space — currently $700 a month — could increase when the Joshua Taylor building is remodeled.
The Kingdom Hall is in a good location, and there is easy access in and out of the building, he said.
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Another Kingdom Hall up for sale.  I wonder why ? 

He is actually the only person on this forum that I have ever seen change significantly. This he did only at the end, and so who can say how enduring it will be? But even at his most outrageous, I did come to respect him in that if I hit him over the head with a baseball bat he would strive to give as good as he got without complaint. There have been some here that if I so much as step on their toes they cry about it for their next 5 posts.

It does sound that way, doesn’t it?
Nah, he reappraised what he had been doing and discontinued his posts here with this final goodbye:
I miss the old pork chop. I hope he succeeds in turning over that new leaf. He even got 8 likes—more than I have ever registered.

What does it mean to be an extremist? noun. a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters. a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.   Does extremist always mean nasty and violent ? I think the CCJW org is extreme. Surely it is meant to be ?   In fact I think it is not extreme enough. Didn't the disciples / apostles say, 'We must serve God as ruler rather than men'.  Surely it was extreme then and still extrem now ?    If someone called me an extremist I would take it as a compliment, being no part of this wicked world surely is extreme.     

A bit different to WW2 when the leaders of the CCJW told congregants that they had to go to prison.
Because of the lies told by the Leaders of the JW org / CCJW concerning the Superior Authorities scripture, congregants obeyed their Leaders rather than being allowed to have their own conscience. They served time in prison when they could have done farming work or other things. All because of the lies of the Organisation's Leaders. 
But now it seems that congregants can use their conscience and do something useful too.