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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    And your governing body are doing it from the inside, crafty fellows!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Well actually your god Anthony (bourbon) Morris already decided that this jehovah of yours is going to wipe out all apostates, so he and you who worship and agree with him (Tony Morris) have judged all apostates worthy of death. Just one more reason why you are guilty of idolatry..
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    I like this perspective about people's relations. It is true how our character can bring difficulties or easy time with different individuals. In general, and same is in JW congregations.
    We, ex JWs worked very hard to get this status :))) 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Definition of equal  (Entry 1 of 3)
    1a(1): of the same measure, quantity, amount, or number as another (2): identical in mathematical value or logical denotation : EQUIVALENT b: like in quality, nature, or status c: like for each member of a group, class, or society provide equal employment opportunities 2: regarding or affecting all objects in the same way : IMPARTIAL 3: free from extremes: such as a: tranquil in mind or mood b: not showing variation in appearance, structure, or proportion 4a: capable of meeting the requirements of a situation or a task b: SUITABLE bored with work not equal to his abilities     It seems how Paul speaking about economic or financial equality. This is, for sure, sort of social involvement, activity inside one specific group or society that existing inside human society as such. This is sort of socioeconomic conceptual influence on congregations. Perhaps something new for those period. Later we can see similar attempts to achieve such a status for the society of a people, a nation in a country. French revolution and later Communist Revolution sought to achieve equality for their people. And not only in economic status, but in many others - about education, gender, health, race etc. We would call that today - human rights.   Well, Paul's social activism perhaps brought some results in those days. What sort of social activism is today inside WTJWorg? GB solicit or makes petition for donations of all kind. Publicly known reason is, as they say, for "Kingdom interests". What is well known is this. Donation money, it is not used so that brothers in an assembly can pay rent, electricity or water expenses, buy their children books for school, and so on. Using donation money or money that WTJWorg collect in other ways (stocks, real estate sales etc) are not intended for poor members for reason to became less poor or equal to brothers who are materially rich, as Paul imagined for Christian congregation in 1st century.   Charity status of WT and all WT entities or sister companies are for reason to not pay taxes and to receive money from state (where law of country provide such privileges).    Is there a way for GB to turn Paul’s imagination into reality today?      
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    In a previous incarnation, Cesar told me: “You keep out of my way and I’ll keep out of yours.”
    That works well enough. Look—it’s the internet, not the congregation. There’s only so much one can do in coming together. You can’t even be sure that people are who they say they are.  It is enough that he settles on the side that is right, even if he does take a flamethrower to not just enemies, but even ones who would call themselves allies, though less rigid.
    And as long as I’m at it, how about this one on Why Jehovah’s Witnesses do not respond to accusations:
    https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/respond-to-accusations/
    Don’t misunderstand. This is not a reproof to anyone. Or if it is, it is mostly to me. Probably I should mull over it more. But as Anna said, each one has his/her own specific reason for being here. It is safe to say that NO Witness here is typical, excepting only those who come, stick their toe in the water, make a comment or two, and then disappear, never to be seen again.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Excellent topic. But can I suggest, if you want to start another discussion, for example on the above subject, then go to the top of the page, and depending on what device you are using, click on "new topic" (on the computer) or the "plus sign" (on Android phones) and start a new topic that way. If people follow you (I do) they will see it. Or, you can search relevant words, and see if there is a topic already on this subject and then add your comment to it. This will resurrect the thread again and people will respond to what you post. And, if you want to direct those who have been commenting on this topic here, you can insert the link here to the topic there. 👍
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Emma Rose in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Well it's open for business now 😉
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Emma, there aren't many people on this forum that actually comment or even read anything. It's just a handful. There are two sides, the ex-JWs, and the JWs like Tom, JWI, me and a few others. This is not a forum where interested ones (people who want Bible studies) hang out. The JWs who are here have their various reasons for being here.
    For me, it's good training ground. I get to learn about various controversial topics that are not really discussed anywhere else except maybe on apostate sites. This is not an apostate site, but some with controversial ideas are allowed to comment here, and this makes for interesting discussions....sometimes. In any case, it helps me to sharpen my faith. That's just how I feel about it. Tom and the others have their own reasons too, and may be different from mine.
    So if you are looking to find someone who has genuine questions, well, as far as I know, there are non here at the moment. But, whoever ventures here can follow the conversations and comments, and see how we, the JWs respond to them. And they can make their mind up about what makes sense. So in a way you are giving a "witness" of some sort by commenting....
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    I’m not saying that we are not responsible for paying our taxes.  (By the way, “Jehovah’s organization” has found a way to avoid paying taxes)  Jesus was speaking of our need to separate riches of this world with spiritual riches that he offered in his teachings. Those are the important treasures, which we are to build upon. I am saying that Jesus was preaching new wine, to be put in new wine skins. (Col 2:2; Matt 9:17)  But, the Wt. has proven that they prefer "old wine", where they can build their kingdom in this world ruled by Satan.  (Luke 5:39; 4:5-7)
    “It is not that there may be relief for others and hardship for you, but it is a question of equality”  2 Cor 8:13
    You are telling me that your GB practice financial equality among JWs. That they ensure their abundance is distributed to every JW?   Not possible, is it.  They wouldn't allow it, would they.  
    Your kingdom halls may be built as grass huts or with chandeliers hanging in their foyers as I have seen, according to the financial ability of the congregation.  Conveniently, all are now owned by the organization; a very prosperous move by your GB.  What your leadership does for its offices and assembly gathering places, are far from modest. I'm sure a tour of Bethel will open your eyes...or not.  
     
    What's more important, how clean your buildings are, or how truthful your teachings are; today, yesterday and decades in the past? Jesus said, those whom he sends must produce "fruit that lasts" - it stays, never to rot, never to be tossed away.  Do you understand this?  It is another teaching of Jesus, that your GB don't seem to recognize.  (Matt 23:25-28; John 15:16)  Because your leadership has built its own "temple"/organization, and has rejected God's authentic "house of prayer" built with "living stones", your entire organization is an idol, prophesied to "make war" with the "saints".     (Rev 13:4,7,8)
    You asked what my "story" is.  My testimony about the Temple “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) the blasphemy and falsehoods of the organization, (2 Thess 2,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2)  and its wicked slave (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12), is why the organization considers me an apostate.  It has nothing to do with sinning against the Father or Jesus Christ; but everything to do with exposing Wt’s lies, which is the location of the "man of lawlessness" that "sits"/rules/stands where it does not belong...in God's Temple.  (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3,7)
    So, if knowing that I am an apostate on those grounds, causes you to make your decision to "shun" either I or @Srecko Sostar for his reasons, what a shallow and weak decision it is.  We either love the light of truth in Christ and keep seeking it, or we gravitate to darkness, where lies about the Father, the Son, and His dwelling in Spirit, are told. (John 3:19; 2 Thess 2:9-12)
    https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Emma Rose in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    "...detecting their craftiness..."  They were trying to put him on the spot about taxes.  Romans 13:1-8, particularly note verses 6 and 7: "That is why you are also paying taxes...render to all their dues, to the one who calls for tax, the tax;..."  
    2 Cor 8:14 is speaking of contributions made so that those with more could equalize with those that had less...that calls for contributions, which is how we arrive here, our contributions are used to offset the needs of those that have less.  I am more than happy to contribute donations for my brothers and sisters that may have needs that I don't.
    Jesus said the widow that dropped two small coins in, dropped in more than all the rest that dropped in out of their surplus, but she dropped in all she had, ergo, there were contributions being made, always have been. Mark 12:43
    Hahaha...our buildings are not ornate, hahaha...thank you for that chuckle, they are clean, well kept and free of idols.
    I have to tell you, I am not manipulated by anyone to part with my cash.  
    Again, the scriptures are replete with examples of donations given to further the worship of God.  I can get into that if you like but I feel sure you already know.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    1. To Society Watch Tower, Watchtower and corporations
    2. To Jehovah's Witnesses and all assemblies
    3. To all whom this concern
     
    Declaration on termination of membership to a religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses
     
    I was baptized in 1977 at the age of 17, then a minor. But, in good faith I answered the following two questions just before baptism, which is symbolized my dedication to God in terms of the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses religion.
    At that time (before the change of June 1 1985) questions have read as follows;
    Have you repented of your sins and converted, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?
    On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?
     
    Since I have over decades closely followed the changes in various aspects of activity of this religion, I noticed some frequent collisions (1 John 4:1; 1 Th 5:21). It is visible in: a) the content of the various interpretations; b) in the theory and practice of action in everyday life issues. Overview of many historical aspects of the spiritual heritage, which the organization has, since its inception in the 19th century, left to its members-followers, and wants to cover it up, revise and incorrect display, is astounding. Who wants to drink a water from a cup in which there is a single drop of dangerous substances?
    The purpose of my statement is not to explain doctrine and practices of society and the board of directors, who are disturbed my conscience and reasoning within the love, faith, knowledge and understanding that I feel and I have to God and Jesus Christ and to the people, so I will taxatively single out only a few of them (Rom 14:4). These are obvious example, on the one hand, theological acrobatics from the main church body of Jehovah's Witnesses, and on the other hand, their dishonesty and practice in which one they are learns, and other they are works;
    1) Confusing conceptions about their own identity (Who shared spiritual food? One servant, all 144 000, a composite body or the governing body ...,)
    2) Pragmatism in changing dogmatic interpretations before the change was "firmly biblical established", such as a series of explanations about the "generation" ...,
    3) Speculation about the meaning of biblical statements and how they should be understood. More than once the revised interpretation were in style of YES-NO-YES-NO; then this year's "changed approach to the interpretation of reports from the Word of God" ...,
    4) Switching of responsibility from the governing body and their representatives on the ordinary believers in respect of the decisions and attitudes that members should be carried out, when it becomes apparent that they were endangered spiritually, mentally and literally health of fellow believers (eg, multiple expectations of Armageddon, Malawi and Mexico of the 1970's, questions about blood, juvenile members / Bulgaria /, neutrality ...,)
    5) Co-operation and association with political organizations such as the UN and the OSCE.
    6) Increasingly open calls for financial donations and contributions to the funds of the corporation.
    7) Careless and unkind treatment of victims of pedophilia within the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses
     
    Regardless of how, as collective or personal, members of the Jehovah's Witnesses will treat me after this letter of resignation, considering the worldwide-known practice of ignoring and avoiding (shunning) that Jehovah's Witnesses apply to all who are outside of their religion ("worldly" people, dissociated and disfellowshipped) - I with fully conscious and reason declare still this; My relationship with the people / persons in the Jehovah's Witness religion and those who are not, is based on the words of Jesus; "Love your neighbor as yourself"; "Love those who hate you"; "Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them."
     
    I expecting from you, that any kind of information which is stored anywhere, in connection with me and has my full name, such as personal files, or any other files you immediately destroy!
     
     
    Zagreb, July 27/2015 Srećko Šoštar -------------
    Verified by notary public
     
    How do you feel what JW's think about me after reading this? :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    In relation to what, to whom? :))
    Perhaps the question should be: Do JWs consider me an apostate? :)))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    What Is Baptism?
    The meaning of baptism
    The Bible compares baptism to burial. (Romans 6:4; Colossians 2:12) Water baptism symbolizes a person’s dying to his past course of life and beginning a new one as a Christian dedicated to God. Baptism and the steps that lead up to it are God’s arrangement for a person to gain a clean conscience based on his faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 3:21) Thus, Jesus taught that his disciples must get baptized.—Matthew 28:19, 20. - https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-baptism/
    Even WTJWorg publication explained what is purpose of baptism and in the same time contradict to themselves. Purpose of baptism for individual is not to show others to what sort of organized religion she/he belongs. Baptism not exist for purpose of registration to particular organization. Baptismal question No. 2 in WTJWorg is not in harmony with own published explanation and not in harmony with Jesus' teachings. 
    Question No. 1 Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ? contains elements that can be found in the Bible.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    "Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
    23 But detecting their craftiness, He said to them, 24 “Show Me a denarius. Whose image and inscription does it have?”
    “Caesar’s,” they said.
    25 “Well then,” He told them, “give back to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and to God the things that are God’s.”   Luke 20:22-25
     
    Did Jesus say, take half of that coin and give it to God? No. It had Caesar’s name on it, not God’s.   Shouldn’t this tell us that money is not needed to worship God “in spirit and truth”? (John 4:23,24)  Any money that Jesus and the disciples had, was given to those in need – the poor.  Can your organization let go of all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21; Luke 12:33)  After Jesus left the earth, the congregations shared everything, they supported one another.  This is our template to go by.  If you had read the post link, you may have understood.  
     We convince ourselves that we need money for religious purposes, when we are told and believe leaders of a religious organization cannot feed us spiritual food without it. They cannot spread their version of “truth”.  (Matt 23:15)  “There is more money going out, than coming in”, GB Stephen Lett stated. This is manipulation, and we know it worked. People were changing their meager budgets to give to men who were already money-rich. All involved at the top, have this insatiable drive to build and expand on, their fleshly desires. (Matt 19:21-24)   They are now selling kingdom halls to free up money for larger projects.  The development of the organization is the same development as all other religious organizations. So, what sets your religions apart?  Nothing, really; expect the anointed trapped within. (Rev 20:7-9)  It tell lies also, just as other religious do.  Money is required to keep religious leadership’s power and authority stable over the “flock”; no matter if it is the Catholic church, or the Mormon church, or the Wt. organization.  The end result, is power to manipulate another person’s spiritual well-being.  The organization has always thrown up the example of the Catholic church in the faces of its members, expounding on its riches.  Well, when it comes to its own riches, they are dead quiet about it.  There is no transparency at the top.
    What is the distinction between pure worship and false worship?  Pure worship does not require money. The Temple of God, the dwelling of His Spirit, does not need riches to promote “spirit and truth”.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  It does not need a physical, literal mountain to worship at.  That was Jesus’ point when talking to woman at the well.  A literal mountain is seen from a distance.  Wt has built many of them, for the world to see, with riches procured from those who have fallen for their deception. (Matt 24:24; 2 Pet 1:16; 2:2) And the organization glorifies its works that they have ‘collected’ in these endeavors. (Luke 4:5-7)  Wouldn’t you agree that other religions have been successful at that also?   Jesus was saying that building organized mountains, are not the way to worship God. 
     Truth in Christ is light, that radiates outwardly from within. (Luke 6:45)  He told those whom HE would send, that they would be a lamp shining in a dark place, just as he was the light of the world. (Matt 5:14-16; John 1:4,5; 13:20) As the source of living water, his words were enough for us to recognize truth and he did not charge money to receive it.  He didn’t ask for donations. If your leaders were truly part of the vine of Christ, they would not expect you to give money for it either.   (John 15:1-6; 7:38)  Riches are not necessary to produce his truth.   
     Can your organization sell all of its riches and give them to the poor? (Matt 19:21)   It has become “treasure” for all who are part of it.  It is their desire of the eyes, so much so, that thousands travel many miles to flock to its ornate buildings.
    You had a source of spiritual riches when knowing the two anointed ones you spoke about.  Sadly, they most likely didn’t understand the light of truth was in themselves, since they bought their spiritual provision from a false prophet. (Matt 25:1-13;;Rev 13:11,12,15-17)  They were captivated by “empty philosophy” just as you are.  (Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16)  God’s Spirit dwelled within their heart – the spirit of truth, and His laws were written within it.  (Rom 5:5; 1 John 2:27; Heb 10:16)  Instead, they submitted to the corrupt rulership of an organization built with literal riches.  In your organization, the “living stones” of the Temple are not allowed to shed their “light” God gave them in Spirit, since it would conflict with the false light from your evil slave. (Rev 8:10,11)  Each anointed one, is a “teacher” of the law fulfilled in Christ.  Yet, those who are subservient to an evil slave are restricted from teaching Christ’s truths.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)
     “Don’t collect for yourselves treasures (“or valuables”) on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But collect for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves don’t break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
    Does your organization adhere to this teaching of Jesus? Or, does it tell only its members not to do this?
    I speak of both the Father and the Son.  I listen to the words of Christ, as the Father told us to. (Matt 17:5)
    Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would ask him, and he would give you living water.”  John 4:10
    John 7:37,38 - On the last and most important day of the festival, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, he should come to me and drink! 38 The one who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him.” 
    “Come, everyone who is thirsty,
    come to the waters;
    and you without money,
    come, buy, and eat!
    Come, buy wine and milk
    without money and without cost!
    2 Why do you spend money on what is not food,
    and your wages on what does not satisfy?
    Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
    and you will enjoy the choicest of foods.
    3 Pay attention and come to Me;
    listen, so that you will live.
    I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
    the promises assured to David.
    4 Since I have made him a witness to the peoples,
    a leader and commander for the peoples,
    5 so you will summon a nation you do not know,
    and nations who do not know you will run to you.
    For the Lord your God,
    even the Holy One of Israel,
    has glorified you.”  Isa 55:1-5
     
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Emma Rose in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    We are fully aware that Jehovah brings salvation and that when that time of judgement arrives, we will all be judged individually.  If there are those that someone here referred to as PIMOs (physically in, mentally out), they will be judged accordingly.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Emma Rose in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Apollos needed to adjust what he knew, don't miss the point.  
    Ah well, we'll be able to find out what Priscilla and Aquila taught him in the new system.  
    Are you considered an apostate?  
    I understand that my dedication and baptism identifies me as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization.  A reminder to work with God's spirit-directed organization.  If I call myself one of Jehovah's Witnesses, others will reach the conclusion that I'm associated with Jehovah's organization.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures.  He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John.  He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately. - NIV
    Apollos already had accurate teaching/knowledge/faith about Lord. One thing is mentioned here about baptism detail that was different. He was already instructed about Jesus. It would be interesting to see what explanations came from Priscilla and Aquila that are under wording "more adequately".
    Again, please consider what WT doing about "the way of God". They intrusively determine what is "the truth" about God and proclaim those who do not accept it with the name “apostates”. Perhaps JW's today need some new Priscilla and Aquila (married couple, aka female and male teachers) in WTJWorg Organization who would be able to explain the way of God, to temporary GB, more adequately/accurately.  
    We can speak about two things about wording: 
         adverb: adequately:   A) to a satisfactory or acceptable extent. B) to a sufficient degree or extent        adverb: accurately: A) in a way that is correct, exact, and without any mistakes B) without mistakes or errors   A) Was it about Priscilla's/ Aquila's ability as a speakers (educated, substantial vocabulary, etc) who know to adequately and sufficiently explain some more details of the topic to listener who already know core/basic teaching and have accurate information about Jesus?
    B) Was it about Priscilla's/ Aquila's call/need to correct some wrong believes, ideas, perspective of listener?
    ... he knew only the baptism of John.
    Issue of baptism is interesting if you have knowledge about changes on baptismal questions through WT history. If Apollos learned from this Christian couple that you need to be baptized in The Name of ..., how it is possible that JW candidate is baptized in The Name of Organization instead of Father, Son and HS? 
    Question No 2: Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization?  ....New: ...identifies you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Jehovah's organization?
    Who today need adequate and accurate explanation? :))
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Emma Rose in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Have a read of Acts 18:24-26.  Here was Apollos, a Jew, well-versed in the scriptures and although he was speaking and teaching accurately the things about Jesus, he was acquainted only with the baptism of John, so what did Aquila and Priscilla do?  they took him into their company and explained the way of God more accurately to him.
    Milk = what all of us learn at the start, Solid Food = what we come to learn over time.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    I am in Zagreb, Croatia, Europe. I believe you are many, many miles/kilometres away .... :))))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    17 Today’s watchman class has likewise had to clarify its views from time to time. Can anyone doubt, though, that Jehovah has blessed the ‘faithful slave’? Besides, viewed in context, are not most of the adjustments that have occurred relatively small? Our basic understanding of the Bible has not changed. Our conviction that we are living in the last days is stronger than ever! -https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1997604
    I would like to direct your attention on this paragraph from WT 1997 study edition article. 
    On one side you commented how JHVH' and Jesus' instructions are given in different time for different or certain purpose. Can you explain why would be how some "given instruction" in 1st century, be it more appropriate at a certain point of their or our time and some not? I believe how whole set of Jesus' teachings and instructions are good and appropriate for whole and each period of human lifetime. 
    But this WT quote give answer why (perhaps you) JW members think differently about this. Because the need to "clarify  own  (watchman class aka GB) views came and coming from the reason they don't teach Jesus' or JHVH' teachings but own human doctrines.  
    I guess, we have no need to adjust teachings from Bible, but in WTJWorg example, GB had/have need to adjust own interpretations about own teachings.  
    For example, do we need to "adjust" God's teaching (law) about slavery to our time? No, because we don't want slavery today! So, we reject any past law (even if it was divine) that supported slavery. 
    We are in position to follow or to not follow teachings and instructions revealed in Bible. 
    Quote from WT say: Our basic understanding of the Bible has not changed. Our conviction that we are living in the last days is stronger than ever!
    Here we have next thing. Author of article made self conviction how their (and all JW's) "basic understanding" (aka core understanding  /core=basic, central, key, fundamental, elemental, principal/) about something has not changed. And then continue with one basic or core JW teaching -  about "last days".
    This Study article put accent on "basic understanding" that JW members strongly believe: Resurrection, Keep on Watch, Everlasting Life, Eternal Future, End is Close at Hand, Put Your Trust in Watchman aka GB.
    Also have in mind that this is from the year 1997, that is 83 years after 1914 (Generation Doctrine).
    And 13 years after famous WT study article: 1914—The Generation That Will Not Pass Away -https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984361 
    WTJWorg basic doctrine, let say, No 1, according to article: End is Close at Hand, that was based on other basic doctrine, let say, No 2: 1914-The Generation That Will Not Pass Away, ........ are both false, because each supported the other. You are aware of fact how 1914 Generation is replaced with Overlapping Generation. 
    According to your understanding what is what in this case?! Milk and solid food or "to call a spade a spade" aka false teachings?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    By teaching that an organization, filled with corruption, in Satan's world will bring JWs salvation, Jesus as the only Way, Truth, and Life, has become less important. (John 14:6; 4:21-24) God's Temple priesthood has become less important. (Matt 16:18) God's Temple has no meaning, but the organization...JWs cannot live without. 
    That's just the beginning of your organization's full rejection of Christ's teachings.  By looking to the brainstorm of men, your leaders have paved the way for going beyond the teachings of Christ.  
    "Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212
    "Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us.”  Acts 4:12
    "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen." Rom 1:25
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Please, don't be angry at me. Expression "core teachings" is in JW vocabulary and some JW participants here using this terminology to show how JW religion is same as 1st Congregation. With that in mind, logically, JW have teachings, also, that are not "core". In fact, many regulations and instructions inside WTJWorg are men made teachings and instructions, and by that they are, obviously "less important" for your faith, but important for Organization.  
    With that in mind, i said "less important" in connection to Christ's teachings, because Religious system of particular church/organization, in our example WT,  lowered the importance of some Jesus’ teachings and replaced them with "more important" human traditions.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Emma Rose in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    Why would we find some of Christ's teachings "less important", that is the sort of thinking that paves the way for going beyond it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in "PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES   
    That, is an ingenious idea! 
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