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August 5th 2020  Old news revisited, but this must be costing the CCJW a bit of money. 
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/08/jehovahs-witness-sexual-abuse-report-can-stay-online-judge-rules/
A report into the handling of sexual abuse among Jehovah’s Witnesses does not have be removed from a government site, a court in Arnhem has decided. It is the second time the Dutch branch of the church has gone to court over the report. In January it tried to stop publication but at the time judges ruled it should be published in the public interest.
Just 25% of victims said they were satisfied at the way their complaints against the community had been handled and only 27% of cases were ever passed on to the police or other officials. Most of the reports related to abuse in the past, with just 32 covering the past 10 years.




 

@César Chávez It could not be more of a misconception than your idea that Moses and your GB have anything in common. 
We know that God spoke directly to Moses but we also know that God does not speak directly or even indirectly to your GB.  If God spoke directly to the GB then the GB would not err spiritually in spoken or written word. Unfortunately your GB err many times and so do their helpers. 

2 hours ago, César Chávez said:  Where in scripture do you find God spoke directly to the people? Maybe here. I say maybe and I will start a new topic.  Matthew 3 v 16& 17.
After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17  Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
 

Do you try to make joke of me or of yourself? :))
We two, both have interactions here. Does this mean how you have intend to "replace" me with someone else? Who said Jesus had no "interactions" with people and institutions around him? :)) 
Perhaps not, but my position in that issue does not diminish the stated fact about other issue - secular structure, namely Court, asked WTJWorg for documents about CSA, and GB decided to not give documentation and help victims to find some sort of "justice and truth". 

@César Chávez In all your talk about Moses and Jesus do you forget how they both were inspired of God's holy Spirit ? 
I think that you are deliberately avoiding the point that the GB / Watchtower / CCJW are not inspired by Holy Spirit and are not even 'spirit led'. 
I think you also deliberately avoid the fact that the Apostle Paul was 'contacted directly by Jesus  Acts 9 v 3-5
 3  Now as he was traveling and getting near Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, 4  and he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5  He asked: “Who are you, Lord?” He said: “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
And Paul did not go up to Jerusalem for the first THREE YEARS of his missionary work. 
Add to that the point that it was the Apostle Paul, who was not one of the Twelve, that wrote all the letters to the congregations, that we have in the Scriptures now.  
If you really think there was a 1st Century GB, then why weren't the letters written to the congregations from THEM ? 
As for questioning the CCJW / Watchtower, well all organisations have to be questioned. If a person is seriously looking to serve God properly then they will of course question / investigate / research any organisation / religion that they may be thinking of joining. 
And, just as importantly, if a person has information, good or bad, about an organisation, then it is right that they should make such information known publicly as a help to other people. 
 

There certainly is a kink in Watchtower’s spiritual “hose”.  When a House Steward attempts to personally produce every provision necessary for the residents of the house, without consulting the cook, the maid, the gardener, the keeper of the books, do you think the house will run efficiently; especially if the steward has never been a gardener, a cook, a maid, or a keeper of the books?
What would motivate a House Steward to take on all that responsibility?  Why wouldn’t he seek out or “dig” for some help? Luke 16:1-4   When he did realize he couldn’t do it all, why would he appoint his own “helpers” outside of the house?  Matt 24:48-51  And, what does he tell those servants already inside the house?  Does he tell them “submit to my decision or I’ll have you fired?”  Rev 13:15-17
The House is God’s spiritual house; the anointed Body of Christ. Eph 2:20-22  Every member of His house must be put to use in the capacity God gave them.  It’s not the decision of men to regulate another’s personal gift from God; but, this is between Christ and his priest.  Eph 5:23
“For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.” Rom 12:3-8
"There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works [e]all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all." 1 Cor 12:4-7
"But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you'; nor again the head to the feet, 'I have no need of you.' 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no [h]schism (division) in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it." 1 Cor 12:20-26
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the [e]edifying (building up) of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ  Eph 4:11-13 
And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more."  Luke 12:42-48
Each anointed one receives a “portion” of Holy Spirit, to be used properly and not to be squandered away at the demand of a wicked steward/slave.  1 Cor 1:21,22    In the organization, this is exactly what is taking place. Matt 24:48-51
 
I was raised on plenty of potatoes, a lot of spaghetti, peaches and pears from our trees, and trout that my father caught in the spring and summer.  I had never tasted an avocado or a pomegranate until I moved away, which became some of my favorite foods; even though as a child I wasn't deprived of food.  We don’t miss what we have never had.  2 Chron 15:3; Lev 26:26; Ezek 4:10-13; Amos 8:11; Rev 3:17; 6:5,6  Until the Body works uniformly in providing spiritual food as God expects it to, you will not know what you are missing, since the anointed in the organization are not allowed to contribute to the production of spiritual food.  Isa 55:1,2; Rev 22:17  
As the quote from the WT states:  
 
Pearl Doxsey - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
"A Hidden Famine - A Hidden Feast"
 

"If the Body of Christ is united and, in your estimation, it is only the eight that have gone renegade, disfellowship them already and be done with it!"  - True TomHarley
 
Hmmmmmm ... and just who is there on Earth today that could do it?
Jehovah did not interfere when the Nazis and the Japanese Empire were trying to take over the world. 70 years ago, and he did not help or harm any nation involved in the conflict, or any individual, inside or outside of the Truth.
There is NOBODY on this Earth, able to fire the Governing Body.
..... er .... except in the Russian Federation.
 
 
 
 

I think how "papers and administration" are complicated almost everywhere in the world. :)) 
 
From this, should we, could we conclude how Bible is not enough for WTJWorg Administration today, to manage things about "God's earthly mountain-like organization" on 1st century Christian Congregation foundation and example??
And next, if "inspired by holy spirit" was only thing what make 1st century Christian Congregation to be successful and according to God's will and inside Jesus' teachings, don't we have problem today, because people in Management of this organization (GB+Helpers+Lawyers+Elders) are just "guided by spirit"?? According to WT publications "guided by spirit" means plenty of err doctrines and instructions.
If we add, as you said; complexity internally, modern society is a lot more complex,  cannot organize things the same way, would be inefficient today -  what guaranties JW members have that their's organization is in harmony with principles established by Jesus and how this modern organization is copy-paste (type-antitype) of 1st Congregation as role model, despite fact how all was drastically changed after almost 2000 years? Do not forget how 1st Congregation made, not just mistakes in teachings and guiding members, but ended in apostasy. If these happened to people who was "inspired by spirit", how much worst it can be for people who are lower on that "spiritual scale" - namely "guided by spirit"?

People were thirsty and needed water, and they asked for water. They asked for water from Moses as God representative on Earth. In Bible there are a verses that said how we can ask from Father whatever we want and He will give us. Perhaps something else was behind Moses statement and his fear for life. Or as chapter 16 said; In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions. 
This testings (of people and leadership) of all sorts are very common and often in Bible.  
Preach me more about this and "earthly spiritual power".
Not so sure what is issue here, because of my English. 
 
Jesus said that he has nothing with this world. In that respect Jesus done nothing to "superseded" Roman power. Roman power belonged to "secular authorities" as God's servant, so i don't see what and why Jesus would have to done to "supersede" Roman or any other secular government in past or even today.
Today, these "secular governments" doing same task as in the past, when Epistle to the Romans was written.
Another issue is "theocratic government".
Very good. Then why WTJWorg GB with own "theocratic structure of power" are not in subjection to "secular structure of power" and give CSA documentation to the Courts and other Institutions that investigate this problem, this crime (Australian Branch is exception)?  

Quote  @Anna In order to be legally established you have to comply with rules and regulations of the country. In America, it seems these are extra complex. 
It would be nice if the GB did comply with the rules and laws of the country (America). Then they might just hand over that Database.
Isn't there a law in America about 'withholding information' from the Police or courts ? 

Perhaps CC would say how this part, of WTJWorg you explained me, is just  "visual effect" :))

Does Father need your "monthly report", for example? Or is it just "visual effect" in mind of former members?  

Although most JWs cannot “see” what you say, I am appalled at the shameless approach the WT takes toward the role of the anointed these days.   The decay of who the anointed are and their role as God’s priesthood, has been gradual; while at the same time, the exultation – the rise and power of the elder body – has become predominate.  (Dan 8:9-12; 11:16; Rev 16:13,14)
The assumption that the Holy Spirit works for this change, is blasphemy. 
Secular meaning of “blasphemy” - the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence to a deity, or sacred objects, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable. Some religions consider blasphemy to be a religious crime. (wikipedia)
God’s holy people are His anointed ones. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9,10; Rev 5:9,10) They are His spiritual dwelling.  His living Temple. (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 Cor 6:19-20)   Would He allow others to attack His dwelling with sacrilegious insults, for very long?  The anointed heart is where Holy Spirit resides - the Spirit that is truth and should motivate the heart to teach it. (John 16:13; 1 John 2:27)
Thus, this statement uttered by the WT, is blasphemy:
“Modestly, anointed ones acknowledge that they do not necessarily have more holy spirit than those with an earthly hope. They do not claim to have special knowledge or revelations; neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior. w16 January p. 23-24”
So, what is an anointing for? And why would a powerful group of people suppress the role of the anointed – who are in the minority?    It is the “pouring out” of Holy Spirit onto the individual. It begins from outside of the physical body and eventually reaches every internal part of the person. (1 John 2:27; Rom 5:5)  Can that be dismissed as ‘not necessarily having more holy spirit than another person’?  If God’s anointed were allowed to speak about this supernatural event; if they were not fearful of the dual power hovering over them and the slander made against them if they do speak up, JWs would realize the difference between the “common and the holy”. (Ezek 44:23; Rev 11:1,2)   That individual, a “living stone” of God’s Temple, should protect the Temple, but in a religious setting where another group of people has gained power over them, what happens to God’s Temple, and what are the consequences? (1 Cor 3:17)
Who would create a religious setting where the anointed have gathered, yet are also slandered with falsehoods about themselves?  (Rev 13:1,7; Rev 20:7-9)
“Don’t let anyone deceive you about this in any way. That day cannot come unless a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed. 4 He opposes every so-called god or anything that is worshiped and places himself above them, sitting in God’s temple and claiming to be God.
The anointed are God’s sons - they are “gods”. (John 10:34-36)  They are to “house” the word of God, Truth from Christ, in their heart.  (John 17:8)   It is their role to defend God, to defend His dwelling.  It is their role to defend Jesus Christ, the Head of God’s Temple. It is their role to remain “in Christ” and teach his truth. (Mal 2:7; John 15:4)  They don’t need to defend a false priesthood that has warned ahead of time, that its role cannot be challenged.  But sadly, in the WT, they have allowed the dismantling of their spiritual holy garments as God’s priests and handed them over, to lawlessness that rules over them, in the absence of truth. 
If the elder body was sanctioned by God, why the need to tell God’s Temple members, not to challenge the ‘representation’, of themselves? 
I wish JWs would see that the organization they ‘love’, is out to destroy God’s holy people. 
The “man of destruction” would say this:
“…neither do they try to prove that they are in some way superior”.    
The “man of destruction” would say this:
“In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study.”
The “man of destruction”, would say this, about the Temple “stones” ‘bonding’ together:
“Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.”
"you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house ("into a temple of the Spirit")  to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."  1 Pet 2:5
“Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”  Matt 24:2 
“Peace and unity”, is needed run an earthly organization well, without interruptions in its agenda, of a feeding program directed by a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51) 
“Your prophets saw visions for you that were empty and deceptive; they did not reveal your iniquity and so restore your fortunes. They saw pronouncements for you that were empty and misleading.” Lam 2:14
“Dress in sackcloth and lament, you priests; wail, you ministers of the altar. Come and spend the night in sackcloth, you ministers of my God, because grain and drink offerings are withheld from the house of your God.”  Joel 1:13
“house” – “household”, home”, temple. 
“Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.”  Eph 2:19-21
“joined together”?  Not when the anointed cannot “bond” in the WT.
The “man of destruction” uses the weapon of deceit to destroy God’s Temple, household, today.  When power is obtained over an individual, or a group of people, it has the ability to erode the people. 
Rev 13:6:  “It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme His name and His dwelling—those who dwell in heaven.”  (see Heb 12:22)
The biblical Greek meaning of “blasphemy”:
“slander, detraction, speech injurious to another's good name”
“impious and reproachful speech, injurious to divine majesty”
“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.”  2 Thess 2:9,10,8
 
I wish JWs, including the elders, would “see” what’s coming.
 
 https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2020/05/what-is-divine-purpose-for-anointed.html
 

Spin a book out of it. That is what I did when I found myself heading the thread: ‘TrueTom vs the Apostates.’
Initially, I protested. I didn’t want the job. I don’t go out of my way to pick fights with these guys, and didn’t want it presented as though I did.
My protests fell upon deaf ears. So I warmed to the task and went after them with such ferocity that the same powers-that-be that assigned me the thread yanked me off it—not just me, but the entire thread. 
A year or two later the experience became the intro for the still-free ebook.
 
 

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said: And you are sure that WT with GB listens Christ in all things, little and big?
Quote @César Chávez answer " The Watchtower does with its illustration of fine works as described and instructed by Christ himself."
Well actually the Watchtower / GB / CCJW do not 'listen to' or follow Christ's instructions in most things. And I think it is clear that Christ is not instructing the Watchtower / GB / CCJW. 
Example 1, The GB call themselves the Faithful and discreet Slave, but prove by their words that they are not so.
Example 2. The GB had it written in the Watchtower that the Anointed should not gather together for study or prayer to God. The GB stated that it would be 'working against the Holy Spirit' if the Anointed did gather together. Whereas Jesus Christ told the Anointed that where ever two or three of them were gathered together HE would be amongst them. 
I could add more but I've been warned not to. 

I'm glad we brighten up your day. We all need a little humour sometimes  
Actually @TrueTomHarley 'cracks me up' so it's great that we help each other 

I guess how idea behind Moses's, John the Baptist's, or Paul's ideology or first Christian's people is Holy Spirit. JW people accepts idea how holy spirit is behind their speech, letters, deeds. But GB said how you all who belong to united worldwide congregation of JW's are just "guided by spirit", but not "filled or inspired by spirit". In the same time you all, as leaders and members, continue to claim how all what you teach is and must be "the truth". The truth that can be err, wrong, that need clarifications, that have to be changed because of misconceptions and wrong interpretations, and so on and so on.
First of all, WTJWorg idea how "guided by spirit" is different of "to be inspired or "to be filled by spirit" is missed conception. All three expressions are same in meaning. Manifestations "of spirit" can be various. But JW's wrongly accept idea how "to be inspired" meaning miraculous work, for example speaking in tongues, or prophesied, or healing, or walking on water etc. Even more, JW's think how only text that is written and is part of Bible is only what was "inspired". And how only "spiritual doctrine" belong to thing that is, can be "inspired", and how all that finished in 1st century.  
GB invented conception how "guided by spirit" gives them permission for wrong and err doctrines and instructions that leads millions of people. But in the same time said how GB is FDS and only, sole "channel" in the World who giving "Truth" to the people. Because, as they explained, "inspired by spirit" means "infallibility". :)) ... and on other hand "guided by spirit" means "fallibility". :))
And how no one is "guilty" for "imperfect spiritual food" on "JHVH table" today. No one in GB. But JW members are "guilty" for wrong  understanding  of wrong doctrine (misunderstanding of wrong doctrines). :))
Exodus 35:30-35
Then Moses said to the sons of Israel, “See, the Lord has called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah. And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship; to make designs for working in gold and in silver and in bronze, and in the cutting of stones for settings and in the carving of wood, so as to perform in every inventive work. He also has put in his heart to teach, both he and Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan. He has filled them with skill to perform every work of an engraver and of a designer and of an embroiderer, in blue and in purple and in scarlet material, and in fine linen, and of a weaver, as performers of every work and makers of design
These verses confirms view how influence of HS on people can not be limited on things that GB want to limit as HS scope of action in limited particular time periods. In the past or today. 
Actual member or former member or not member at all .... Judge is impartial. :))
Please, in what kind of "spiritual unity " you are in, with JW pedophiles ? Remember that my comment was about "collective" - 
Well, your "collective unity" is good until something wrong happened. Even GB don't want "collective responsibility" for CSA cases. They said how that is act of "individual member". And sending WT lawyers to defend WTJWorg before Court on this issue. GB don't want to  "bear the guilt of your brother who is a pedophile" , nor literally neither spiritually, but it seems you are ready.  

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said: And you are sure that WT with GB listens Christ in all things, little and big?
Quote @César Chávez answer " The Watchtower does with its illustration of fine works as described and instructed by Christ himself."
Well actually the Watchtower / GB / CCJW do not 'listen to' or follow Christ's instructions in most things. And I think it is clear that Christ is not instructing the Watchtower / GB / CCJW. 
Example 1, The GB call themselves the Faithful and discreet Slave, but prove by their words that they are not so.
Example 2. The GB had it written in the Watchtower that the Anointed should not gather together for study or prayer to God. The GB stated that it would be 'working against the Holy Spirit' if the Anointed did gather together. Whereas Jesus Christ told the Anointed that where ever two or three of them were gathered together HE would be amongst them. 
I could add more but I've been warned not to. 

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
To continue; why WTJWorg need to have enormous numbers of rules, instructions and various policies, similar to Old Law that Jesus put out of power? Little and big WTJWorg "laws". Jesus made "simplified edition" and "Jesus Law" said this: “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” - Gal 6:2.  (To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.- 1 Cor 9:21)
Most Bible teachers understand the law of Christ to be what Christ stated were the greatest commandments in Mark 12:28–31, “‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’”
Well again, have to ask: why WTJWorg need to have massive organizational structure (half religious and half secular) with hierarchy and all various departments, when Jesus ask from his followers only to "Carry each other’s burdens"??!! :))

@4Jah2me You are 1/2 inch toward getting banned.
You troll other topics with your same content over and over. 
Stop or else. Final warning.
@César Chávez You too are on thin ice (again). This time I'll delete everything you've ever written on this club. Tone it down.
@Witness You troll as well.... start your own threads. Stay on topic. 

I appreciate your work trying to make sense of a topic, since you feel the need, and have the authority to do so.  But, in the case of the topic,
Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body",  I do feel most of the primary posters could fit your idea of “trolling”. Most everyone had gone off topic. 
 I’m pretty old, so the term “trolling” had to require an internet definition. 
“An internet troll is someone who makes intentionally inflammatory, rude, or upsetting statements online to elicit strong emotional responses in people or to steer the conversation off-topic. “
I believe I’ve experienced that from a JW here who uses the term “hate-OCD” quite regularly, or another who has damned me completely.  I'm not expecting them to be removed, even if one of them has received a warning.
They can come in many forms. Most trolls do this for their own amusement
Yes, we do have a writer on board who comes up with the most amusing, and often sarcastic comments directed to a poster; sometimes, when least expected.
but other forms of trolling are done to push a specific agenda.
Who wouldn’t be pushing their own agenda if they are commenting on a topic, within a forum open to both JWs and non JWs?  I fully admit I do, and I feel that others can share the same opinion.  Personally, I don’t comment for my own amusement, or to make rude statements about the person I am responding to.  I comment because my agenda is about what is truth. 
Either we are all trolls, or we are engaging in a conversation with various opinions, no matter how heated they may become.
 

It is even worse for me. Every day the Librarian (that old hen) makes me comment. I don’t want to. I really don’t with all my heart. But she forces me to, using mind control.
You might just try hitting the ‘leave club’ button at top of forum.

Huh! All that you have to do here to establish your reputation as Teller of TRUTH is to disappear!
If I wasn’t worried about breaking the heart of the old hen, I’d do it myself!
”Ah, TrueTom,” they will say. “He really was true! But we didn’t realize it until he was long gone! If only we had recognized his genius and integrity while he was with us!”

You two, @4Jah2me and @César Chávez crack me up!