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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    In the video Brother Glockentin says:
    "The good guidance from Jehovah's Organization during this pandemic is just another proof that Jehovah is with the Governing Body."
    In my opinion, this GB Helper didn't take in consideration one famous and simple Jesus' quote, God giving sun and rain to wicked and to righteous.
    In this verse we see how God is impartial. He see humans as own children, no matter of their own partiality and belongings. In "spirit" of these verse we can see also little further, an interesting messages.
    a) How every individual will have His blessings about every good thing and effort for good he has, and                          b) How God will not stop you in your intentions, no matter are they good or bad    
    Well, GB Helper has wrong perception about his own position and position of Institution, he represents, before God. 
    Why would God give "separate and advanced knowledge" about Covid 19 to GB?, but left in "dark" whole secular world? Do you remember?  "Sun and rain" illustration !?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    @Arauna   No one is saying that the GB cannot get anything right, BUT what is being said is IT IS NOT PROOF OF GOD'S HELP. 
    So for a GB helper or anyone to say it PROVES that God is with the GB, is just stupidity and will be seen by many as such.
    The GB and it's Org agrees with God's word in the Bible on some things, so they get some things right, but it still does not PROVE that God is with them. 
    @Srecko Sostar comment was sarcasm i think  
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Yes. That is the point. And it was not just the statement about Covid19 that I was responding to in the speech, even though it was the only example I focused on.
    If an example of good guidance proves that Jehovah is with the GB, then someone could just as easily point out that examples of bad guidance must be proof that Jehovah is not with the GB. Most of us who have been Witnesses over a long period of time will recall how a continuing theme of our meetings, especially the book study, for years had always been about how examples of bad guidance in Christendom is proof that they are being guided only by Satan. This can result in the same hypocrisy. But worse, it can make brothers, like the speaker above, feel that he must try to hide negative information away from the average Witness who can't face anything negative. It has made brothers like him in responsible positions try to declare that false doctrines had a good purpose in the past to filter out those who were weak. (This has been done for several of the big falsehoods like 1925, superior authorities, 1975 expectations, etc.)
    If it ends up making us call what is good, bad, and what is bad, good, then we should point that out.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Clearly that is why we choose to associate with our fellow brothers and sisters. I much more enjoyed the closer association in months and years gone by, but I think the present situation is working very well. We still have to get used to the technology, and being muted and unmuted. I like the fact that we start the meeting a half hour before, and some talking still goes on between individuals. Some use small chat groups, and some end up showing their baby pictures to the entire congregation. I see a lot of people actually getting to the meeting earlier, to the midweek especially, and really enjoying this type of association. But it's also novel, and the newness can wear off, too.
    In my thinking, the GB did a great job.
    This is exactly what I think we should do: give the GB credit where it is due, and yes, they really are cautious. I think they did the right thing under the circumstances, and they acknowledge that the conditions of Covid19 are not going to be equal everywhere, and that some flexibility in procedures will no doubt be seen over time -- but evidently always erring on the side of caution if there is a question.
    As far as detractors calling the GB wicked names, that is going to occur anyway. It's part of the territory here. But we shouldn't fear speaking our conscience just because someone else is going to misuse our words. It is our duty to be honest and unhypocritical. If we see someone using reasoning that would be considered specious from any other organization, then we would be hypocritical to say that such specious reasoning is good for us, but not anyone else.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    While I am happy to know about this persons book,  I am fortunately not an admirer of persons - no matter how good a scholar they may be because they are just human.  Scholars are prone to all the failings other humans have and sometimes more prideful - unfortunately.  I wish him well.  Now that he needs the support of fellow witnesses, he has set himself up in a lonely way because he thought he could ride the top of the tidal wave on his scholarliness - get attention for his profession and not for Jehovah's glory..
    He will have to show humility to return....  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    As you may already hear or read about Covid 19 in Croatia, Croatia is, according to news,  among few countries that had best results in protection population from pandemic in "first wave".  In cca 4 months (from last period of February to July 7) here is 3272 infected, 2141 cured and 113 deaths.
    The ruling parliamentary party, which won elections again on Sunday, boasts that the situation is good with regard to this contagion because they have managed well in times of crisis and made the right decisions. 
    So, which, what God was with HDZ (party in power)? Did HDZ received JHVH help and does this is proof how JHVH helped this party to won elections again and to be His Servant ("secular authority") in Croatia? :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    i just listened to the video that Witness spoke about:
    I fear I might have been wrong about the intended un-scary use of the Covid19 scenario. In the video Brother Glockentin says:
    "The good guidance from Jehovah's Organization during this pandemic is just another proof that Jehovah is with the Governing Body."
    I'm sure the GB themselves would be much more careful about their wording so that it doesn't come across as manipulative. He surely means well, but probably doesn't realize what we would think of any other organization for trying to create "proof" out of such types of reasoning. If there is more of this, then I might even have to rethink the intentional use of trial balloons.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Something is seriously wrong with this equation!!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    “ When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods **WHO WILL GO BEFORE US.**” Exod 32:1a 
     “So Moses went back to the Lord and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold.” Exod 32:31 
     
    Just recently on a jw video, Gajus Glockentin, a GB helper, said:
    “LIES CREATES DOUBTS AND UNDERMINES OUR COMPLETE TRUST IN THE GOVERNING BODY.  THIS MAKES US VULNERABLE”
    Vulnerable to what? To learning the truth about the idol JWs follow?  That trusting the GB is following blind men into a pit? Matt 15:14 Obviously, this is damage control resulting from the release of Furuli's book.
    He continues:
    “Jehovah will use his **organization** to **LEAD US** through the great tribulation. THERE IS JUST NO OTHER WAY TO SUCCEED”
    This is a lie, and it definitely should create doubts in the JW mind.  It is no different than the rebels under Moses creating a golden calf to LEAD them, "GO BEFORE" them,  through the wilderness.    
    “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”  Matt 11:28-30
    “Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”  Matt 17:20
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    "Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions.
     Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings."
    I am convinced this is what you suffer from.  Your continual targeted references toward me of my supposed hate, my theorized OCD, as well as the apparent regret of not being recognized as a teacher while in the organization, of not achieving the label as a “leader”, all stem from your own negative feelings, unfulfilled desires, and emotions.  These are what you deal with, not me.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Oh dear, then we must have this unending circle of followers following followers, based on upvotes and likes. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    @Arauna 
    I've heard "your OCD" about this same thing (followers) a few times already. :))
    Please, let me ask you, does giving a like and an up-vote to someone’s comment turn that someone into a follower?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    If you and your followers on here think the beast in Revelation is the 'JW elders' or the GB...… there is nothing I have to say.... I just shrug my shoulders at the sheer dissonance of it.   I think you have exposed yourself  …….!!  seriously! 
    And if your disciples are too silly to see it and still agree with all your "prophetic comments", and take your prophetic comments against the "elders" and GB as fulfillment of scriptures in Revelation  ....  I suggest they look at their themselves.  
    All your contributions indicate to me that you wanted more power because you see yourself as a privileged anointed that needed a position to teach.  You are bitter because you were denied this and accuse others of usurping what you feel belongs to you and was taken away.  Look at your Revelation explanations?  I just shake my head in disbelief...….. maybe you will come up with something more bizarre.... I don't know..... but at this point I think I will not answer you again... so go ahead with your silly accusations.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I will tell you why: because if I go out and commit immorality and I am found out, and I am not repentant I will be disfellowshipped. Thousands are disfelowshipped every year for unrepentant immorality. If you think you can stop people from being immoral then you are being very unrealistic. The only thing that can be done is revoke membership. Which is what is being done. What's your argument with that?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Ludicrous - I will not answer that. You seriously believe that or you are surely making a joke?  
    Witness and her disciples can now echo each other and pat each other on the shoulders.  Goodbye.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    The GB has lost any Holy Spirit they may have been given.  I do believe that there are men on the GB that were genuinely anointed, but I have my personal doubts about all of them receiving an anointing.   Who would know, since their “anointing” is kept a secret? 
    What are the signs of one losing Holy Spirit? The pursuit of power, dominance, and material riches. Do they not have access to all of that?  Power, to decided what their brothers in Christ are to do and preach?  What to build, where the money goes, etc?  They assumed the position of a "faithful slave" over the house of God.  Isn't that to be Christ's choice and revealed when he returns? It's pretty bold of them to assume they are the faithful steward when what they offer as "food", rots while it sits on the table. (John 15:16; Isa 28:7-10) And shouldn't that be up to the individual who is admonished by Christ, to test the fruits /teachings each slave offers? (Matt 7:15-20)  Since they walked into that role, with "new light" up their sleeve, they are indeed, "wicked".  
    “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.”  Luke 4:5-7
    Compare that scripture with Jesus’ words in Matt 6:19-21 - "where your treasure is, there your heart will be also”.   The GB treasure their organization of material riches.  They “treasure” their assumed responsibility over God’s household. (Luke 12:42)  Jesus would not have warned of a wicked slave/steward rising over God’s anointed house, if it were not a possibility. After all, it was he, a perfect being, who was initially offered those “gifts” by Satan.  How much harder would it be for a human to resist Satan’s temptation?  (Matt 24:45-51)
    “I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will not welcome us. 10 So when I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, spreading malicious nonsense about us. Not satisfied with that, he even refuses to welcome other believers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.”  3 John 1:9,10
    The GB has no desire to “welcome” the anointed in Christ. They fully reject their opinion, turning to a “Gentile” elder body for assistance, to produce spiritual food.   Are their actions of disfellowshipping any different than what Diotrephes did?
    They preach a “different Jesus”. (2 Cor 11:4) HE should be the focus; instead, THEY are the focus.  All obedience is given to them, over Jesus Christ. They have replaced the “Head” of the Body, thus severing themselves from Jesus.
     “ They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.” Col 2:19
    “You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”  2 Pet 3:17,18
    Just because an individual is anointed, it doesn’t mean they are all found to be “faithful” slaves when Jesus returns.  (Matt 25:26-30) 
    If they had remained part of the Body, the vine of Christ, the spirit would have led them to seek out all anointed in the organization.  As humans, we would dread losing one of our physical bodily appendages.  Spiritually, all anointed should desire to seek out the “members” of Christ’s body.  (1 Cor 12) And yet, the "rule" is that they should not "BOND".  Surely, you should ask, why.  Their bonding together would threaten the GB's headship over them.   I speak here, knowing there are anointed listening in.  It is my prayer that they wake up and get away from the wicked rule of the organization. This includes everyone.  Rev 18:4-8
     
     
    https://pearl-finetrees.blogspot.com/
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    You jogged my memory about that. It is a thought we on the outside recognize, since we're not loaded down with all the "do's and dont's". (Col 2:20-21; Gal 1:10) We can cut to the chase. 
    I could say that more bluntly. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in Jehovah's Witnesses refute ties with Mother and daughter's death   
    I know of 2 JW suicides, one was an elders son of my former Cong was found OD in his room and the other one was at my best friends congregation he killed his wife then himself afterwords dont know the reason of any of the 2  as we are not meant to be talking or ask anything about it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Jehovah's Witnesses refute ties with Mother and daughter's death   
    Self-sacrifice by starvation  for religious reasons.....  Does that sound like JWs?   It sounds like the stories of Jews drinking blood of babies. 
    Maybe witnesses visited them and they listened..... and that gave neighbors the idea they were Jws.  People make up their own narrative about things especially in backwaters.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in The Devil and Dennis Christensen   
    How funny you are. You know exactly what I'm saying.  There is a difference between calling on God's name, and, having to be a JW to gain salvation. You have decided then that a person cannot call on God's name if they are not a JW ?  Have you decided that or are you just following the GB ? 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in The Devil and Dennis Christensen   
    I don't know why some of JW's and non JW's on this Forum going ad hominem when are not glad to hear  comments, opinions and arguing or critical thoughts of ex-JW ?! :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    So you are not better than the GB.....  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in The Devil and Dennis Christensen   
    “Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.
     13 But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.
    Luke 21:2 - “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings (false priests) and governors (GB), and all on account of my name."
    John 16:2 - "They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."
    Heb 13:13 - "Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore."
    Does this happen to JWs?  Are they “thrown out of the synagogue”, the Jewish meeting places?  Or, are individuals thrown out of the organization where the majority of God’s anointed “Jews” reside?  One can easily be disfellowshipped, considered spiritually “dead”, for turning solely to Christ Jesus.  (Rev 13:15)
     14 If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15 If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.
    Spiritual “murder” is committed daily by the organization. In Russia, the act of disfellowshipping – the breaking up of families -  is considered extremism.  For that, JWs “suffer”.   Thievery is a daily occurrence as the sheep are expected to support with their labor and money, a falsehood known as “the truth”.   2 Thess 2:9-12
     16 However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, (the anointed) what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
    The judgment begins with the anointed spiritual house of God. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17;Eph 2:20-22)  Will they be foolish and remain under the rule of a wicked slave and its elder body, continuing to “buy” their spiritual oil from the wicked slave? (Matt 24:48-51) Or, will they suffer for turning to their Head, Jesus Christ, and enter the Marriage Feast? Matt 25:1-13
     18 And,
    “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
        what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”  1 Pet 4:12-18
    So, I am guessing you really believe that God will turn a blind eye to the organization’s sins – the same sins that are committed by others in the world, just because 8 million people call on the name of “Jehovah”, yet put total faith in an earthly organization.
    Who, what, is your ROCK?  A "mountainlike organization"? or, the Almighty God?  We cannot slave for two masters.  Matt 6:24
    Rev 8:8,9
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Really?  Why would they be afraid to follow their convictions, when they have thought it through?  The follow their conscience... 
  25. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    And the newest research proves they were right.  Since you refuse to acknowledge this....  I am not going to please your hate-OCD by engaging in a lengthy argument about Jehovah's name.  Let us just say.... time will tell.   I do not have an urge to always be right...
    A blanket statement that none of them have the spirit of God when they were anointed by spirit.... funny.....  but you seem to blessed by some spirit do have such deep insight but it does not appear to be from Jehovah -  you do not even accept the name....
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