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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    .....or they will be removed by human hands aka new policy, new people in management structure, "new light" about GB and so on.   
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    I wish more people would speak out against the GB, but the GB will be removed by God through Christ, or they will stand down when God's time is right for it to happen..
    Egotism : The GB calling themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. The GB saying that only they, those 8 men, are that Slave, and that the other Anointed should not meet together for bible study etc, when those 8 men meet together all the time. The GB saying that 'God and Christ trusts them' and that therefore 'all JWs should trust them'. 
    THAT is Egotism. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    I wish more people would speak out against the GB, but the GB will be removed by God through Christ, or they will stand down when God's time is right for it to happen..
    Egotism : The GB calling themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave. The GB saying that only they, those 8 men, are that Slave, and that the other Anointed should not meet together for bible study etc, when those 8 men meet together all the time. The GB saying that 'God and Christ trusts them' and that therefore 'all JWs should trust them'. 
    THAT is Egotism. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Quote @Arauna :  Judgment mmmm…..going to deep as you cannot read hearts.
    @Arauna  I'm only giving back on what I receive from Tom and for you.  
    Tow writes : I wonder if the yo-yo has taken to plastering a ‘Question Authority’ bumper sticker on his Yugo. Probably not, because there is only one authority that he cares about—unless he has modified it to: “Question GB Authority.” This will cause all his neighbors to think he is nuts, but perhaps they already think it.
    You write :  Some people do not even cooperate with others because they feel it encroaches on their autonomy...… those usually have a problem with all types of authority.  Hmmmm.
    So, I see those comments as not being at all spiritual. And I repeat that i have never seen a spiritual comment from Tom. But no real harm done and no bad feelings felt for either of you. And yes my dislike is for the GB and for things i see as not being honest or not showing mercy or justice within the CCJW organisation. Jesus said we should love our enemies, but that is easier said than practiced. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    Talk of removing him as an overseer goes a ways back, but I never heard that this was actually done. If it was done recently this could even explain a few things. But I couldn't tell for sure if this was just your opinion or a guess.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    This is something what you need to reevaluate again. Or to allow to other people doing the same. 
    Judging is about dealing with motives of person. Because there, in motives, stands almost all answers why people doing or not doing something. Our deeds or "fruits" from our tree are visible but motives are not so clearly visible or understandable to observer. I am observer of GB deeds, or your's or my own deeds. Deeds are visible with literal eys. Motives are deeper and not so obvious at first look.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Questioning their motives is not being rebellious. I obey carefully, especially if they want me to do something against Jehovahs law. Peter himself said we must obey God rather than men.  So I think you do not understand this issue properly.  Will you go to war if the government tells you to? Will you support LGBTQ  and abortion if the government requires it? 
    I am not here to teach you.... .... I suggest you read up a little more about it.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    What reasons you have to doing so?
    As JW member you have strong Bible reasons for not doing this at all. To not put in question "secular authorities" because they are on their position because God put them there. And also, GB is on their position from 1919 because God put them there too, according to WT publications.
    All articles in WT publications speaking against "rebellious attitude". I am surprised to hear that from you or from any other JW member. You can't have both. Defending your standpoint and defending WTJWorg + GB + Helpers in the same time. WT Organization expect from JW members to not put any doubt and to question guidance and leadership of HQ Top Managment.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Yes I do question ALL authority …. so I definitely do not worship the GB as you have often accused me.  I have thought all aspects through carefully.
    I am not a natural rebel. I leave that to hotheads like … the OCD crowd. I think things through before I rebel. 
    Judgment mmmm…..going to deep as you cannot read hearts.
    How silly!  What universe are you living in? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    The DS is a nice vehicle. They look lovely. You should have kept it.......  I have 3 cars, 1 van, 1 motor scooter. I dare not show people the one i mainly drive, which is a 1961 car.  My van is small and scruffy, like me . My wife has a 1970 Morris Minor, which lives in the car port and hardly ever sees daylight.  She has a small blue car, a modern thing, which is her daily transport. The Motor Scooter is an LML, like a Vespa, but it is automatic. Hopefully it will be sold soon as I do not like it and do not use it.... Two of the cars are very cheap to run as they are MOT exempt (don't need to be examined for road safety) and are tax exempt (don't have to pay to use them on the roads). So it only cost money for insurance and fuel.... The thing with vehicles is this. If you treat a vehicle well and look after it, it will work well and not cause you any trouble. BUT, no matter how nicely you treat people you cannot be sure they will not cause you trouble. I much prefer vehicles  .... 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    The DS is a nice vehicle. They look lovely. You should have kept it.......  I have 3 cars, 1 van, 1 motor scooter. I dare not show people the one i mainly drive, which is a 1961 car.  My van is small and scruffy, like me . My wife has a 1970 Morris Minor, which lives in the car port and hardly ever sees daylight.  She has a small blue car, a modern thing, which is her daily transport. The Motor Scooter is an LML, like a Vespa, but it is automatic. Hopefully it will be sold soon as I do not like it and do not use it.... Two of the cars are very cheap to run as they are MOT exempt (don't need to be examined for road safety) and are tax exempt (don't have to pay to use them on the roads). So it only cost money for insurance and fuel.... The thing with vehicles is this. If you treat a vehicle well and look after it, it will work well and not cause you any trouble. BUT, no matter how nicely you treat people you cannot be sure they will not cause you trouble. I much prefer vehicles  .... 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Are that old-timer cars?, can you show some photos. I had Citroen DS 1973, before 35 years. Now i am sad that i sold it. I can only watching YouTube and see how expensive these cars are now.    
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I am inside context :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    We were dealing with the court system and secular authorities - their role ; and the role of elders...… can you not even keep to the context ?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I am not declare myself as Storm Trooper (from Star wars or any wars).
    Yes, i am free as a Bird :)))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I wonder if the yo-yo has taken to plastering a ‘Question Authority’ bumper sticker on his Yugo. Probably not, because there is only one authority that he cares about—unless he has modified it to: “Question GB Authority.” This will cause all his neighbors to think he is nuts, but perhaps they already think it.
    You don’t have to question authority on every piddly little thing—that’s why the world is chaotic and most of what is done is quickly undone.
    Nathaniel Hawthorne (He wrote books, 4Jah, he was a writer, he goes on and on and on, and sometimes readers tire after a paragraph or two because he doesn’t slam the Governing Body and place a laughing emoji at chaper’s end) wrote of Hester Prynne, that “It is remarkable, that persons who speculate the most boldly often conform with the most perfect quietude to the external regulations of society.“ Nobody speculates more boldly about this world than Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    Hawthorne didn’t say it, but the opposite is also true. This who cannot conform with the most most perfect quietude to the external regulations of society tend to be the most timid of all.
    (Now watch him go ballistic that I have attributed a Yugo to him—a sly JW trick he knows well, he will say.   )
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Not only was it a good try—it knocked the ball out of the park.
    With a certain type of hyperbolic person, sarcasm is well-nigh irresistible. It may be the ‘language of the Devil’ but there are certain times when it is exactly the way to go.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Sarcasm does not hide FACTS. Not even a good try Tom. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    As far as using social media concerning CSA, i have warned many people about contact with Jehovah's Witnesses. I even have a FB page dedicated to such. I upload many articles straight from source. Of course i do not know the honesty or dishonesty of the articles, but I leave it up to the people that read them to make up their own mind. So I'm not exactly a bystander when it comes to warning others about the CCJW. But outside of that i see everything else as 'the world', and none of us can solve the 'world's' problems. Space Merchant sees things totally differently. That is his choice. His life and his situation is probably totally different to mine. Arauna has admitted to obeying the GB, so that is her choice. Whether she obeys blindly and does everything according to 'the book' is also her choice. Mr Harley is just a comedian and a writer looking for input for his next book, so cannot be taken seriously. I have yet to read a spiritual comment from him. Srecko seems to have a similar viewpoint to me, or in fact me to him. He asks intelligent question and gives good quotes, but he gets discredited for it all. JWI seems to be the most balanced, and he gives very good and strong answers. We must all remember that we are all different and i will quote the singer Seal :-
    Different kinds of people, with different kinds of lives, Walking toward the future, with different size strides. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    If Arauna and SM don't believe You, why would strangers on the street believe in this JW problem!?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I am not sure why you said how secular authorities do not care about spiritual well being of individual. Because there is many "worldly" institutions who deal with such "immaterial things" in human life. Perhaps they named that with different terminology, not using strictly religious word such is word "spiritual". Because "spiritual" have few components and connotations and it is not only religious quality. 
     
    spiritual relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.    
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Shiwiii in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I do feel pity for @Arauna as she is so blinded by her love of the GB and the Org. 
    Quote Arauna, " All aspects of this subject has been covered before in many pages and still you guys keep opening it up again and again (OCD-like) as if this is all you think about." 
    BUT Arauna, that is what this topic is about, and it is about new information concerning the victims of CSA. Yes it is an ongoing situation whether in Australia, UK, America or elsewhere. It will continue to be an ongoing topic. It is not OCD as you pretend, but new information being added and then discussed and related to old information.
    Then every JW should have been allowed to tell the Police and Superior Authorities from the very beginning. There should not have been any secrecy, and JWs should never have been told to leave it with the Elders. JWs should have had the FREEDOM to chose who they told without the fear of being disfelowshipped. To change the rules now is shutting the stable door after the horse has gone missing. To little toooo late. 
    Quote Arauna, "Yes, there are a lot of flaws.. but then..... so did Israel have flaws back in their day - and Jehovah still used them for his purpose."
    You have a love to misuse examples. The Israelites were born into that nation. They did not chose to be Israelites. JWs CHOSE to be JWs. Therefor their heart condition should be toward doing GOOD in order to serve GOD properly. The situation EARTHWIDE with Child Sexual Abuse in the CCJW proves that many JWs deliberately turn their back on God. Hundreds of Elders would have had first hand information regarding CSA, and they kept it hidden. Some of those Elders would have been and possibly still are Paedophiles. And you think God will use them ? 
    @Space Merchant goes on about helping to save children from child sexual abuse. The JW organisation should announce to a congregation when there is a Paedophile in that congregation. The Elders should say the name of the paedophile so that everyone knows it. The paedophile should be reported to the Police or Superior Authorities, not kept hidden in the congregation. THAT would help keep children safe.  The silly idea that Elders will know when a person is repentant is stupid. And some Elders are even given their position in the congregation back. 
    And as I'm shunned by every JW in my area, how am I supposed to tell them what i know ? I have spoken to those that contact me by phone or email, but they do not believe me, and they should not be contacting me (according to man made rules) so they will not pass on the information I give them. These ones are not local but very doubtful they will use the info' i give them. 
    SM calls me a bystander, Quite funny as that is a JW expression. Any JW that does not go out preaching is called a JW Bystander here in England.  And it seems that SM expects me to go out and talk to complete strangers, even children, about CSA and Paedophiles. Um, i think I would get arrested or at least accused of something nasty. This is England and people are more unsociable or reserved, so you do not just go up and speak to young children that do not know you. 
     
     
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