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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to admin in What would you like offered on this website to make it more useful to you?   
    @biddy2331@gmail.com Please see the site guidelines above. 
    Not sure what religion you are... however can you see where the Catholics on here would also want me to ban their apostates?
    That could get endless...
    Facebook for example doesn't ban Catholic apostates (aka Protestants) and neither do I.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I do, but not according to YOUR way.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    Interesting Australian news today, the Australian Government has put JW on notice if they don't join the Scheme. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    @César Chávez Yeah this author is something else, there are claims within the book that she was told by God this and that, on a crusade against an enemy (Jehovah's Witnesses) who has a hold on everyone in the world - what? She defended Trinity based doctrines, and on occasion, even attacks JWs in this sense as if they are wrong, but in order to cover up the notion she keeps jumping back to the religious leader of JWs.
    She defended the comma johanneum (The false version of 1 John 5:7) and asserted that John 10:30 means Jesus is God, likewise to John 8:58.
    She used the long version of Mark 16, known not to be Bible canon.
    Royal points out the following:
    They do not accept the Lord Jesus Christ as Deity (John 8:58, 10:30) They don't believe in the Trinity, three people in one (John 10:30 and 1 John 5: 7) She argues that The Holy Spirit is a person and believes this teaching of "The Holy Spirit not being a person, only originated with JWs, to quote her [Holy Spirit is an active force or "only the power of Jehovah."You don't know the Holy Spirit and you don't recognize him as a person, but I don't blame you. I blame the unbiblical false teachings of the so-called faithful and discreet slave (See Luke 3:16,John 1:33 and Acts 1:8 ) .] She goes on to speak on how the holy spirit is indeed a person, a 3rd God, whom she calls Jesus and not YHWH. She even went as far back to Bible Students and said this of Pastor CTR [How do I know that the Holy Spirit was no longer in him [Russell]? He denied the deity of Christ saying that Jesus Christ the received his divinity as a gift after dying on the cross. And this is still one of the main beliefs of the JW organization] For even before JWs existed, 1st century Christians believed Jesus to be the son of God, not God himself, but Royal does not see this, yet she claims this revelation is from God Almighty. She continues [By denying the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of the Lord, they are denying Jesus Christ as deity. Because of this, the governing body, the so-called faithful and discreet slave is the Antichrist] The irony of it all, both Srecko and 4Jah2me made a response on the thread concerning John 17:3.... She makes a remark that appears as if the JWs have a very high body count when it comes to suicide, adding that JWs are in favor of, desires blood, purposely pushing people to suicide. She attacks them for blood transfusions, but at the same time says they are right, and just brushed it off for a conversation for another day. She considers the later, no she said the Holy Spirit told her a revelation about the latter faith being bloodsucking demons, but remains convoluted in the subject of blood, contradicting herself several times, even attacking Doctors. An example below: [Almost a year after receiving this revelation about the devil bloodsucker, the Lord showed me in a vision an ugly little demon who was drinking blood. It was a time when I felt very tired, completely weak and I suffered many attacks on my health and my finances. I asked the Lord what this meant and why was he showing me this ugly image.The Lord said, "This is the demon that is sucking the energy out of you to make you surrender to Me and your faith. This is the demon that causes you pain and for which you are losing strength.Rebuke that demon, and see how you will regain your strength. "I rebuked that bloodsucking demon and spread the blood of Jesus against him. I started to feel better and regained my strength.Why am I sharing this personal vision with you? I want to assure you that demons are real. Everything you experience and suffer physically has been done in the spiritual.] She alluded to ARC and twisted information on child abuse, even stating that The Lord gave her a revelation in regarding this. She refered to Jesus as a "She" when it is known that Jesus is a born Jew who is male. She proclaims that Jesus is God and it is to him you have to render sacred religious service, as well as mocking and lowkey insulting YHWH. She deems Non-Trinitarian Christianity originated with Jehovah's Witnesses, despite the fact it is fact that Non-Trinitarianism aka Subordinationism was practiced among 1st century Christians, i.e. The Didache (60-120 A.D.). The list goes on... It is more of a rant. Also it is safe to say she was given revelations by The Lord, as is with a Spirit. As, I remember the Bible was very clear about
    Galatians 1:8 reads -  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    Granted fallen angels/demons were once angels, and since they are spirits, you can see where this is going.
    Now no one is denying that Child Abuse happens in the faith of Jehovah's Witnesses, it is everywhere, but like I said, to over exaggerate is a disgusting thing, even when she goes about suicide in the wrong way.
    What makes it even more distasteful is that she conjured up a prayer, speaking in prayer as if Jesus is God Almighty. She, as is with parts of the book she, again makes a notion of God [to her it is Jesus] is speaking to her to fight against JWs to be born again with what she deems as truth...
    She cited and promoted the late Evangelist known as Reinhard Bonnke German Evangelist, mind you this guy is part of KAIROS MOVEMENT! of ALL things...This man was deemed by mainstream Christianity as one of God's Generals.
    To quote Derek, he is in the right for saying what he said. 
    I have a strong disdain for The Trinity, as is with mixing verses and misapplying them to fit an exegesis, mainly found in this book. I hate the absurdities of suicide mentioned in this.
    This is a book that would even make the most disgruntled JWs out there feel ashamed of, it is that bizarre and rant ridden.
    This is why Christians can see through the nonsense. Anyone can choose to agree or disagree with the faith in question, but to go through hoops to speak of absolute craziness???
    Moreover, she is also using Jehovah's Witnesses as a cover to attack those who believe Jesus is God's Son, Non-Trinitarian Christians.
    That being said, if someone really read the Bible and understood what discernment means and being vigilant, they would easily see that Ms. Royal is no different from the Praiser Evangelist of mainstream Christendom who believes they are inspired like Apostle John. That said, there is a reason as to the purchase count of this book is minuscule, and possible the onlooker would opt out for a Spiderman comic book instead of the same price.
    Further analyzing this German Evangelist, it is not only she is of mainstream Christianity, but clearly, she has quite the spirit on her, not a good one either.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    My last SIX topics I've put up on this forum do not relate to CSA, so stop exaggerating @Space Merchant
    And even then you tear my topics to pieces. So, sorry SM, I cannot take you too seriously. You also take a lot of words to say very little. You seem to go round and round in circles. 
    The only people that KNOW how a faith truly operates are the people inside that faith. I laugh when you say you can speak with Elders on a neutral footings, that is so funny. Elders will tell you what they want you to know. And the GB have said that Elders can tell lies to protect the CCJW Org. They call it 'spiritual warfare'. 
    Quote " I would like you to point out as to what I do not know - please do, I want to see. "
    That has been done many times, BUT YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU, because you THINK you know better. 
    There is exaggeration on both sides. the very Anti-JWs that make videos etc exaggerate the problems. AND the GB, Writing Department, COs, Elders exaggerate in the opposite direction. Please remember that the GB said it was all apostate rumours, until a lot of it was proven as fact.
    As for CSA being Earthwide, everybody knows that. But, this is a JW forum and I am only interested in the CCJW.
    True Christians should be 'no part of the world'. And true Christians should not be trying to solve worldly problems. If a person is directly involved in an incident or can help those close to them then yes of course help, but, not spend time or money trying to put right things the world over.
    My point of being on this forum is, to either see the CCJW / JW Org / Watchtower, cleansed by God through Christ, or, to see the beginning of a new religion that will serve God properly. I am therefore not looking at 'the rest of the world' from this viewpoint. 
    As for this comment of yours :-
    " it is striking that even solutions provided by the ones you seek aid from, it often ignored. "
    Who are you suggesting that I am 'seeking aid from' ? For in my opinion only God and Christ can set matter straight. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I'll say one thing again :-
    You have to be an ex- 'JW' to KNOW how the Elders and the CCJW works.  Just reading info' about JW Org does not give a person the real insight. Unfortunately Space Merchant THINKS he knows the CCJW / JW Org, but he doesn't.  No matter how much you read about something it does not match up to personal experience. Some of us do not just rely on news media reports, we actually know what the CCJW is like first hand. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    My concern here in the UK is that JWs will get seriously hurt whilst on the ministry or going to meetings, by people that are outraged by the disgusting behaviour within the CCJW.  The regular JWs seriously do not know how bad it all is. They do not investigate it. Because they are 'sheeplike' they do as they are told, and they are told not to do research outside of the 'Org'.  I had told the Elders of my ex-congregation of the dangers, but they did not listen to me. This is why I now try to make it known anywhere i can, because my ex congregation are not allowed to converse with me. The more news articles the better, earthwide,  as far as I am concerned. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Ann O'Maly in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    When was he removed? Any intel on the circumstances?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    Your words revealed how you have extra perception ability and/or how people who are elders and MS are of no good, according to your conclusions about them. Interesting! And what is your "position" in congregation? Rank and file members or something else? How you "dare" to talk against "older men"? :))) What example you giving to other JW members here?! :)))) Or, members just have leaders they deserve? :))
    Please down vote me. I collect that.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Nathaniel Compton in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    That's true. That's why he wrote the book to begin with, since he had already been removed as an overseer. Just like Raymond Franz, his thinking on matters of God belong to those that have fundamental flawed views about scripture. In other words, those in spiritual responsibility let it go to their heads instead of sticking to scripture. I've seen enough Elders and Ministerial Servants, they believe they understand scripture while not realizing how far they have gone from scripture. Usually, those are the ones with a greater voice, but then again, so does the devil.
    So, it wasn't a surprise. Now he can concentrate on apostate books like the rest of them. Maybe he will get some pointers from "Floyd" lol!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    Of course I'm not serious about it.  Dear SM, what I'm trying to tell you is the same thing I've said before many times to you.  My focus is on my people in the organization, not on the political, religious movements in the world.  I don't care about left, right, right center bias, or center right bias.   Yes, I admit WT has its fingers in politics when it is advantageous toward their cause, but my interest is in their complete denial to follow God's words in Christ.  
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Nathaniel Compton in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    Thank you for this information. If it is true then it does indeed prove his point.
    Of course the blind JWs will defend their god the GB. It is who they worship and they just cannot see beyond that. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from derek1956 in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    @Srecko Sostar   This comment you have written about the 'Last days' and 'Holy spirit'  is a very good comment and well thought out....   Also this that you've written is so funny. 
    On other hand GB Stephen Lett claims how we today living in Last days ("the final part of last days", "the final part of final part of the last days")))))). - short video of his famous statement     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrges_TxOzQ
    Then we have Billy the Kid aka CC saying :-
    "Therefore, how can any present witness take the opinion of a person that never understood scripture, give an honest assessment about the Watchtower GB. That's just laughable."
    Truth is, anybody with information about the GB can give an honest assessment about them. Each person gives their own honesty. The problem there is, JWs are too frightened to look at honest assessments of their GB. They just follow like sheep, but behind a wicked drunken shepherd. The GB are drunk on their own power and authority over the CCJW and the Watchtower Society. However it isn't laughable to people that truly love God and Christ because we can see the damage being done by the GB. The GB have ruined and continue to ruin the CCJW and the GB continue to bring God's 'name' to shame. False prophecy and misuse of scripture continue to spew out of the mouths of the GB. 
    And now it seems they've disfellowshipped one of their best workers too. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    My concern here in the UK is that JWs will get seriously hurt whilst on the ministry or going to meetings, by people that are outraged by the disgusting behaviour within the CCJW.  The regular JWs seriously do not know how bad it all is. They do not investigate it. Because they are 'sheeplike' they do as they are told, and they are told not to do research outside of the 'Org'.  I had told the Elders of my ex-congregation of the dangers, but they did not listen to me. This is why I now try to make it known anywhere i can, because my ex congregation are not allowed to converse with me. The more news articles the better, earthwide,  as far as I am concerned. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Nathaniel Compton in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    @Srecko Sostar   This comment you have written about the 'Last days' and 'Holy spirit'  is a very good comment and well thought out....   Also this that you've written is so funny. 
    On other hand GB Stephen Lett claims how we today living in Last days ("the final part of last days", "the final part of final part of the last days")))))). - short video of his famous statement     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrges_TxOzQ
    Then we have Billy the Kid aka CC saying :-
    "Therefore, how can any present witness take the opinion of a person that never understood scripture, give an honest assessment about the Watchtower GB. That's just laughable."
    Truth is, anybody with information about the GB can give an honest assessment about them. Each person gives their own honesty. The problem there is, JWs are too frightened to look at honest assessments of their GB. They just follow like sheep, but behind a wicked drunken shepherd. The GB are drunk on their own power and authority over the CCJW and the Watchtower Society. However it isn't laughable to people that truly love God and Christ because we can see the damage being done by the GB. The GB have ruined and continue to ruin the CCJW and the GB continue to bring God's 'name' to shame. False prophecy and misuse of scripture continue to spew out of the mouths of the GB. 
    And now it seems they've disfellowshipped one of their best workers too. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    The WT on Australia TV news report stated they will be no joining the Australian compensation scheme 
    Here is the video from The Project news report.
    Google drive
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HtD3NB4nnKfjN9GHnV4qhyjpYQ5wArhK/view?usp=drivesdk
    Youtube
    https://youtu.be/NmYajUmWCBw
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    I find it very interesting how people can blindly still defend the WT still after knowing the lies the misinformation and the cover ups.
    Some years ago my wife and i got spitted on the face for defending the WT reputation.
    But now after there is so much uncovered we could not even step inside a KH our concience does not even give us the sanity to do it anylonger, we understand that there are some JWs that dont know whats going on but after you hear the news and the many misinformation of the society how can you sincerely still defend them just fascinates me, to the point to say you can not trust ALL THE NEWS, honestly buffles me, i wonder if they will say the same thing about all other religions news. 
    Btw i am not interested talking to those that keeps defending the WT because the GB is not even interested in doing that.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    Copy paste one comment from You Tube:
    They obey the authorities??
    Montana is a reporting state and they didn't report the abuse of Lexi Nuñez. They were sued and lost 35 million. They appealed the decision claiming they were not clergy and won.
    Pennsylvania is another mandatory reporting state. They did not report the abuse of Stephanie Fessler. They settled out of court.
    California is another reporting state. Gonzalo Campos was an elder who had abused children before in the Congregations. The Watchtower did not report to authorities and did not warn the Congregation. This appointed elder abused more children. They lost a 13.5M lawsuit and the court demanded that they turn in their database of pedophiles which the Watchtower refused!!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in "SPECIAL INVESTIGATION INTO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"   
    The issue here is the accusation from News Corp itsef ..................No, not for me. 
     
     
    and the whole Redress situation ............ That is of interest for VICTIMS firstly i suppose, and for me as observer and former member who is disgusted, appealed and horrified to learn that I belonged to an organization that treats (in past and present) its members and children and other various age victims that way !!!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Celebrated Watchtower Scholar, Rolf Furuli, Disfellowshipped   
    Thank you for this information. If it is true then it does indeed prove his point.
    Of course the blind JWs will defend their god the GB. It is who they worship and they just cannot see beyond that. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    I am not here to defend her or your opinions and statements. I don't know is she inspired or not. But i can comment your comment about her. For example Act chapter 2 is interesting for this subject.
     
    The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
    2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
    explanation about this is given in next verses:
    These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
    17 “‘In the last days, God says,
        I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
        your young men will see visions,
        your old men will dream dreams.
    18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
        I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
        and they will prophesy.
    Writer of Act book said two interesting information:
    1) Year 33 AD is LAST DAYS period
    2) "ALL PEOPLE" (young, old, men, woman) and "MY SERVANTS" will be inspired by HS
    Does people today living also in "LAST DAYS" ??  Do we have more than one "LAST DAYS" period/s? "Overlapping Last days"?? :)) "new light" 
    What is difference between? Who are  "ALL PEOPLE" and who are "MY SERVANTS"? Is this people in the same religion or are they various people around the globe?
    WTJWorg GB making strong claim how it is impossible to be inspired by HS today, because that was only unique for 1st century Congregation. On other hand GB Stephen Lett claims how we today living in Last days ("the final part of last days", "the final part of final part of the last days")))))). - short video of his famous statement     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrges_TxOzQ
    It is obvious how all of them "evangelize"something . And they make testimony for Jesus. At the "end of the day" Jesus is, according to Bible, the one who is in capacity to say: 
     Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
     And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. -  Matt 7
    Well SM, are you really ready to take Jesus role and make judgement about her evangelizing, anointing and to conclude she is or she is not inspired ?? :))) 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE RAVENING WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. NEW BOOK about JWs   
    About: She is of mainstream Christianity though, an Evangelist,***
    Author Profile: The author was born in Kosovo (ex Jugoslawia) but grew up and went to school in Germany. She is by profession a nurse but called by God as an evangelist. She´s blessed with two brothers and two sisters. At the age of 11 years she came in touch with Jehovas Witnesses and started already preaching the “Gospel“ at the age of 13 in her school and everywhere she went. She was known for her faith and stood her ground. This hasn´t changed. Now she´s preaching the living Christ and gave her life to him in 2016. 
    Book Summary: The purpose of this book is for Jehovah’s Witnesses and ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses to find their way out of the Watchtower Organization. The author seeks to help them to get to know the truth about the Lord Jesus Christ and to receive Him. The author speaks not only based on self experience with the Watchtower Organization, but has studied a great deal and performed considerable research to ensure that the reader is well informed. It is also written as information to the body of Christ, to be sensitive of what the Spirit of God has to say. The author is giving deep prophetic insight and revelation concerning this man made religion and cult that is holding people in bondage. The unction is given to the body of Christ to know all things and to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given (1.Joh 2:20, Mattw. 13:11). Therefore it is the duty of the body of Christ to pray for this bound people, and for every captive group in any cult, religion or organization. The author is a living testimony that the fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. 
    This book is best experienced with a bible in hand, to reference as you go.
    https://www.xulonpress.com/bookstore/bookdetail.php?PB_ISBN=9781631291043
    Definition of evangelist
    - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evangelist
    1: often capitalized : a writer of any of the four Gospels
    2: a person who evangelizes specifically : a Protestant minister or layman who preaches at special services
    3: an enthusiastic advocate an evangelist for physical fitness
    How her's preaching Christ made her to be "MAINSTREAM" Christian?
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