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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It is not the teaching of JW org. that anyone, child or adult, should be tested. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to xero in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Imagine yourself living at the end of the 1st and the beginning of the second century and you were in one of the seven congregations. Imagine the letter was read to you how Jesus viewed your congregation. You also got to hear what he had to say about the other congregations. If you thought the others were getting a better report, would you abandon your congregation to move to the one with the better report, or would you have stayed and helped to improve it? Or would you have abandoned the project of being a Christian entirely imagining wrongly that you could go it alone. "It's just me, Jesus and Jehovah against the world of darkness out there!", you might imagine to yourself. (and you'd be wrong).
    You simply cannot be a Christian by yourself. You need the perpetual annoyances of the congregation to live up to the requirements. Oh, you might say to yourself "What about the baptists, the seventh day adventists, the christadelphians, the way or any other non-denomnational group. What about the catholics, lutherans, episcopalians, methodists, etc?" Well, I'd say, if you feel that these are better at following the bible, then you need to hook up with them ASAP and be a REAL Christian (if that's what these are and I'm not the ultimate judge) otherwise you're not a Christian, because you absolutely need to be attached to a congregation to be one.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    No. They upvoted because you are a dodo. You can’t even get the reason for your unpopularity straight.
    It looks from this .like they bent over backwards to make things easier for you. The endless bellyaching you do about being shunned—they would have spared you that. But no—you made it clear you no longer wished to be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. So later an announcement is read at the Hall: “Patiently Sitting on his Hands is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses” and the brothers treat you accordingly. You brought it all on yourself, not necessarily by lapping up ill reports, but by your hastiness to assign wicked motives to your brothers.
    You could have avoided your shunning, with no stain on yourself. Were you convinced some great injustice was being done, you could have waited on Jehovah to rectify things. He’s God, you know. He can fix things. Possibly had you found something better…well, then I can see a departure.  But no. In your quest to prove yourself more righteous than anyone else you put yourself in a place where you can no longer remember how the death of Christ benefits humanity, nor how God’s name is universally pronounced in the Western world. You willingly put yourself in a place where you don’t expect to survive, separating yourself from your former brothers who do expect to survive based upon their faith in Christ’s sacrifice. No wonder they want nothing to do with you.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Pudgy and Thinking  2 Yes well, what should we think of this then.
    Pudgy, who we know is James, and who we know has certain problems of his own, gives Arauna an upvote for making accusations against me.
    Thinking also gives an upvote to those accusations. 
    Both of those people pretend to be Christians. All three of them would quote scripture about not slandering anyone, not making false accusations against anyone.
    Pudgy even told me off for using a common expression toward Mr Rando. 
    double standards me thinks  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    Matthew 28:18 in 33 C. E. 
    Berean Study Bible
    Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
    Now who is right Yeshua = Jesus or the GB of JW Org ? 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Yes but was @Thinking  suggesting that YHWH 'allows' Child Sexual Abuse to happen continuously, and that each child should just suffer in silence because "Jehovah will put things right in the end" as the GB teaches. 
    Is that the 'teaching' of the JW Org ? That even children should be 'tested' from inside the congregation. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Applying Godly Wisdom.  Yes.  BUT from a JWs viewpoint it seems that 'Godly Wisdom' only comes from the GB and from Elders. 
    In my opinon, my leaving the JW Org was applying Godly wisdom. Also in my opinion my warning others about the serious problems in the JW Org is applying Godly wisdom and showing love to other people. 
    But I doubt you would agree. Tom, applying Godly wisdom means different things to different people. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    So now, the one who was removed from the Congregeation denies the Birth Pangs of a New System of things coming in.
    Once the distress pangs come to their climax, don't we celebrate what comes next as the birth pangs subside with the new delivery?
    Instead of thinking of the pangs as an ending, should we not think of it as a New Beginning?
    WTS quote "As we have already seen, it was in 1914 that Jehovah God conferred upon his Son authority to begin ruling in the midst of his enemies. The long-awaited “new heavens” then came into existence. What occurred was far more magnificent than the events associated with the deliverance of ancient Israel. (Psalm 110:2; Daniel 7:13, 14)  The government brought to birth in 1914 actually rules from heaven itself, and God has given it authority over all the earth. The enlarging of this government occurred later with the resurrection of Christ’s spirit-anointed followers (who had already died) to be kings and priests in heaven with their Lord. As other members of that Kingdom class have finished their earthly life, they too have been added to the growing membership of the “new heavens.” (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17; Revelation 14:13) By far the great majority of Christ’s joint heirs are now active in that heavenly Kingdom. The spirit-born Christians thus joined with Christ make up the New Jerusalem, concerning which Jehovah said: “Here I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joyfulness and her people a cause for exultation.”—Isaiah 65:18."
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in The JW.Org Forum   
    A club is so you don’t have to suffer an endless torrent of dodos, saboteurs, and serious malcontents.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    If we take into account the various events described in the Bible, then we come to the conclusion that "faithfulness to God" is proved by enduring the terrible circumstances of life, but also by giving life, as a sort of sacrifice to God, while adhering to the principles. There are also fewer examples in which God in a supernatural way saves the lives of believers from the hands of evildoers. They mostly die in hope.
    I wanted to say that the concept applied to Job differs greatly when it comes to the majority of humanity, whether they are worshipers of the “true God” or not.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    No - it means they do what they please (where their own desires lead them), which may include the above behavior.  God has standards and we have to follow them to get Jehovah's approval.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Thanks for the reminder. Their conversation was a kind of bet, and it was less about “allowing” in the concept of ideology we discuss. Furthermore, does this one kind of “agreement” between god and devil mean that it applies to all people after Job? In addition, God forbade the killing of Job. So what kind of concept is this that applies to all people from Job to the present day?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    One would think that all or almost all the people around us who are not JWs are liars, fornicators, thieves, etc. How wrong it is to look at it that way.
    WTJWorg publications have different statements as far as I know. The last thing I read about it is that God will provide collective but not individual protection in Armageddon. Whatever that means. :)))
    Better a living dog than a dead lion, the Bible says. If we stick to that, then the affair with the boss is not the end of the world, but it is the beginning of condemnation from the JW community. What has the JW community done to prevent suicide from happening? By rejecting and excluding such a sister (if it happened) from the family and the congregation, it contributed to this act of suicide and illness of her mother. How much "the burden on the conscience" is in those who contributed to this outcome?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I think we should be far more careful with the ideology behind the phrase “god allows”. In fact, I’m not sure the phrase “God allowed or allows” is found anywhere in the Bible text.
    If we deal with the explanation of an event and say "God allowed it", then we must know which events "God did not allow" to happen. How will we know when the permission or non-permission happened and why? We can only find the answer in our interpretation and our ideology.
    So there is no real or correct answer, because the answer does not come from God but from man. If one claims that something is “God’s will” then such an individual puts himself in the place of God, and then it is idolatry.
    You write about degradation. On the one hand, you are assessing the general degradation of humanity, and on the other hand, you are talking about the degradation of the WTJWorg organization itself and its members. Of course, this is a subjective and emotional statement.
    Humanity is no better or worse than in past centuries. The scenography has changed and other global changes have taken place, but the nature of man is constant. People love each other and people hate each other. Of course, my assessment is also insufficient, because it is based on personal circumstances and the conditions in which I live.
    If you personally notice the degradation within JW membership then we may wonder to what “new light” JWs have been exposed to over the past 50 years? Does degradation depend and arise on the type of theology and doctrine you are exposed to or is it due to “external factors”?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Of course I link "jehovah" to the org. We carry his name don't we?  You are the one who is mentally in a box...... the hate-OCD box.... 
    You are just throwing anything at me. So do not expect any answer -   try to control the OCD. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    No, that is not what you did and you know it. You went far beyond talking to the brother u had a beef with.....  ... so . Do not act all righteous. You are a stinker and you know it!
    You are a stinker! Twist my words for a nasty purpose!   I stand up to anyone who does not treat others well. That is why I see through your MO. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in I have a question about your memorial.   
    Don’t get mad, but that was the practice of WTS in prehistory. :)) 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in I have a question about your memorial.   
    Drop the ‘Jesus’ because the name is definitely anglicized and you offend him when you say it. 
    Or join the ranks of reasonable people, acknowledge that names adapt when translated into different languages, and say ‘Jehovah.’
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in I have a question about your memorial.   
    When I was baptized, I recall I was baptized in the name of all three -  and we use the names of all three.  You seem to only use Yeshua. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    You know you did not “get it”, when you wake up handcuffed, on a boat, surrounded by people you don’t know, with your feet in a bucket of concrete.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Sometimes we (people) understand the same things differently. And sometimes we (individually or collectively) come to different conclusion about own previous statement/view.
    In WTJWorg theology, this happens periodically. "Generation doctrine" is one of such things.
    "Get it", it’s not something only I need to worry about  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Oh for crying out loud, Dimitar! Why would you downvote that one?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Your actions give us the same opinion.  Why is ALL  your hate directed in only one direction?   Hate is not a godly quality if you were a true follower of christ.  Even people from other religions are not as set in their hate as you are..... this demonstates an attitude which Jesus does not approve of.  It is not a righteous attitude because your accusations would.......
     
    be more logical and not so wildly unreasonable.   See above? I guess you have not seen all the wonderful pictures of the future paradise. 
    I think I will cut off this conversation. I have no time to spend with you. You are destructive and the worst kind of leaven. You hang out here because you need some form of revenge....  I do nog plan to be your next victim. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in I have a question about your memorial.   
    @Arauna  This is what i wrote. That Yeshua / Jesus gave the instruction, and that instruction was to baptise in the name of the Father (YHWH / Yehovah) , the Son (Yeshua / Jesus) and the Holy spirit.  But the JW Org does not do this, so they are not following the direct instruction form Yeshua / Jesus.  That is fact, and cannot be sensibly denied. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    In private interpretation of Prophesy, a vague, general idea that is correct is always better than specifics, which so far, have ALWAYS been wrong.
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