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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    The first thread started on this topic, and the topic has already garnered hundreds of responses. But it hasn't dealt much with Rolf Furuli's own theme. His real topic is about how the JW religion is "right," but the current Governing Body is "wrong." That's an unsolvable contradiction to many.
    Furuli tries to solve this conundrum by claiming that the GB shouldn't even exist, and that they should not try to find justification for their existence in the parable of the faithful and unfaithful slave/steward of Matthew 24 and Luke 12. There is also the idea in the book that it's only a previous version of the JW religion that is "right." The current version has lost doctrines that should have been kept and this is the fault of a GB that should not exist in the first place. 
    There will also be inevitable comparisons between Rolf Furuli and Ray Franz. And there will be associations made between Furuli and Fred Franz, too.
    I'll leave this topic up here for a while to see if anyone is interested in discussing any of these points. I'll hold off any additional discussion from my end for a while.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Trump delivers on Religious Freedom ???   
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-delivers-promise-advance-religious-freedom-abroad-opinion-1508263
     
    Don't know if this is exactly new news. but it 'sort of' sounds interesting.
    Trump Delivers on Promise to Advance Religious Freedom Abroad 
    This week, President Trump issued a historic executive order that ensures international religious freedom will be a major piece of his legacy. The new directive gives the U.S. government more tools than ever before to advance religious freedom globally and to penalize foreign nations that perpetrate or allow religious persecution.
    Link to article at top. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    That is an insult to Mr Rook. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    @Arauna Quote  " I do not have the same culture as most  people on this forum.... so I often see things differently.... "
    That applies to me also. And @Srecko Sostar I would think too. 
    I have the feeling that most on here are American and of course most of the GB ( 7 out of 8 ) are also American. Unfortunately it would seem that Americans are raised to have an attitude. And to have that 'Collateral Damage is OK', frame of mind. 
    But you've raised a point. You do not have 'the same culture' and therefore you often 'see things differently'. 
    Now, apply that to the GB. If they were from different parts of the Earth, they would be from different cultures and would 'see things differently'. What a wonderful mixture of men that could bring in. Many on here have said that the GB are not especially highly educated. So having men from different cultures / countries would not be a problem. It's not the level of worldly education that would matter, it is the spirituality of the men. 
    ( Worldly education is however needed to get worldly employment. )
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    For me, to see GB members in the shop buying what ever he need or wish is normal thing. That fact not need to be of any specific interest for public.  
    Just, to see such highly positioned individual (top manager in WTJWorg) without make up, neat hairstyle, clothes, clean fingers/hands with an expensive watch and ring, because of TV studio preparations, makes next, different picture and perception about person.
     In all that is normal how no one of us looks "perfect" in various situations and circumstances through a day.
    This short shop video about Mr. Morris is "perfect" for another reason. To see one of them in "normal" situation and say to yourself: "What, Hey, this is the guy who preparing my spiritual food ?" :))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Not the same sense of humor..... unless you have multiple personality..... lol
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    You have not figured out yet that JTR was one of my aliases?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Is there one worth joining is the question ? Do any of then meet the mark of serving God through Christ properly ?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Space Merchant in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    The information and evidence provided is outside of the faith communities, individuals and other groups, as with legitimate evidence to culture concerning even that of blood. It links up with them as well if we are to include them.
    That being said, as I told many, JWs are not immune, they, as with all, are imperfect. The only thing is, not many of them are well equipped to deal with dangers, therefore, if we are to apply what we learn, especially from services we can make some sort of change as long as everything lines up (state, laws, etc.). There was however one example, a Swahili JW I mentioned a while back, for he knew all things related to child abuse, domestic abuse towards men, women, etc and how he applied it, he gave counsel. For what he knows and what he does, someone else, let's say in the UK, may not be capable of doing.
    To minimize the damage anywhere, what we can do, even you, is to teach people.
    But yeah, as for blood, they are not the only ones; blood is both risky, as is culturally damaging.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    @Space Merchant What is true to some will not be true to others.  And in the CCJW / Watchtower, 'truth' to them changes over time. 
    As for your previous comment to me, i was just mentioning things that do cause damage within the CCJW. 
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    In a biblical sense, who can understand will understand -  
    Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another. Prov 27 17
    Thanks for remind me about JTR. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    As Jesus himself said   ( English Standard Version )
    “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."
    TTH I presume you are in contact with JTR so that you are able to know why he does what he does. 
    Do you presume that JTR was not speaking from his heart ? Do you think he said things to 'make friends' ? 
    I don't believed JTR was swayed by anyone. i think he said what he wanted to say because he had those feelings in him at the time.  I hope he is well and happy. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I love to put 'votes' on all individual comments because to me it shows impartiality. My vote is for or against each comment, not it's writer. 
    @JW Insider Quote ' Responding to the Australia trek...'    But all things are possible with God.  Imagine if he had been the one that mentioned the Red Sea opening up, before it actually happened.  Would you have laughed at it ? I think Arauna thought it through in a human way, but if God actually wanted it to happen then it would happen. (No i don't believe will, but in theory it could have) ---------------
     
    @Anna  replied 'I guess the answer depends on what you interpret as damage. It's complicated because not everyone gets damaged by the same thing. It also depends on our ability to forgive.'
    Child Sexual Abuse damages more than just the victims. So does the Shunning procedure. Even the Blood issues. 
    It brings as back to Collateral Damage, which Americans are all to familiar with. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Different Bible translation ?   
    I think the interlinear translations are great. Of course, you can do this online now. But I have J.P.Green's Hebrew Interlinear and think it's good. I think I bought mine for 20 while at Bethel, and I see it's now several times higher in price on Amzn. The KIT was always the best priced Greek Interlinear, and the word-for-word is just fine, even if you don't like the NWT in the margin.
    For the NWT, I was referring to any of them prior to 2013. The black one you refer to is nice for old eyes, and more room for writing in the margins.
    I also really like the Bibles that have 4 translations to a page, and I also have one with 8 translations on a page. This way you only have to glance over at another translation if you want to see how someone else translates the same verses/passage.
    [edited to add: by 4 an 8 translations per page, it's really only 2 and 4 per page, but when you open to any page it uses both open pages, side by side, left and right, to display the same set of verses. So the "8" really only has 4 translations on each side. You typically won't read all of them, but it's a good way to find both a more literal and a more readable on the same page with easy access to both.]
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I also hesitate to put some of signs to JW people comments, even i was found some sentence in entire comment i agree with too. But why to show agreement on things that are generally normal and agreeable because they are normal to normal people. Yes, yes, Bible speak about: whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. - Philipians 4 
    But if we just praise (sing up comments) each other we won't get far. :))) On other hand people like me must learn how not be partial because, for example, other people religion belongings. :))) 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    It can be learned. At Sheepandgoats U, there is a degree program on not responding to the ignoramuses. It is taught by a professor of impeccable qualtifications and sterling example - myself. 
    Hesitate to sign up, perhaps put off by some examples that you have seen with your own eyes? Then consider a testimonial:
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Thanks for accent on this word. I used it from @Anna comments, and perhaps not get deeper meaning of expression. It is not only about "behavior" as such. When you said "interesting wording" that send me a signal. I went on dictionary again:  
    Definition of demeanor
    : behavior toward others : outward manner - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demeanor
     outward manner - I get it. It is not just behavior as such, but two face, two side how individual present self: in general public and inside closed circle.
    To have such "insight" on others is more possible with people around us. It is little more difficult about people who writing articles in magazines about whom i don't know nothing. Only WHAT they write. Little more is possible to see on people who showing themselves on TV Broadcasting. We see faces and tone of voice. That is very helpful.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Interesting words srecko. Any "aquired" demeanor is hypocritical.  I believe in being who I am and showing it.   JWs come from all parts of the world and have different personalities. As long as we show love and kindness, impartiality we are acceptable to jehovah and each other.  When we expect others to be like ourselves it is a red flag. Live and let live. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Display of ego - has nothing to do with scholarship but is all about displaying a quality of satan. Knowledge puffs up - love builds up.
    Some people have to prove they are right at all cost.  They are not thinking of their neighbour but themselves. We all fall into this trap...... but surely there is a time to stop?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I don't think so...... very few courses are worth their salt these days and children come out dumber than before they went into the propaganda machine. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I guess the answer depends on what you interpret as damage. It's complicated because not everyone gets damaged by the same thing. It also depends on our ability to forgive. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Yea, agree.  The level of judgment is like a nagging wife.....(I will refrain from using hate-OCD MO).
    I had a few good moments with two of her cohorts when they stepped out of their usual MO shoes yesterday and we could just decently share thoughts like human beings.... I enjoyed that. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    May i ask, if some ordinary JW member come to position to see what is going on, or how act of those who lead will (do) cause damage.....,would be realistic to react, to tell why you disagree and to refuse be part of wrong "demeanor" of individual or of group or of organisation?  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    I saw that. It takes a lot of self-control for me NOT to respond, as I find myself opening another window and dashing off a response before I even finish reading the entire post. Many don't get sent.
    Responding to Australia Trek was primarily an exercise in discovering where he is coming from and trying to figure out his level of sincerity and flexibility on some of these ideas. Now that I have kind of figured it out, there won't be much more to see. I think I already understand Witness (and Pearl, too) pretty well, so I read her writing quickly and don't really engage. I don't see a lot of flexibility there, so I think I already have a good idea what to expect if I did engage with Witness. But I also appreciate that she has a few things absolutely right. I better stop talking or I'll end up giving my view on everybody.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in Furuli's new e-book: "My Beloved Religion - And The Governing Body"   
    Is it possible that he somehow chose wrong college?
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