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I think it was Robert A. Heinlein that once said something like " A Committee is a life form with at least six legs,... and no brain".

@Arauna writes :  so in future it will be harder and harder for JWs to control our own bodies and that of our children.  They will treat us as property if the state...... to do with as they please.
Do you not realise that your GB control you and your children ? And your GB treat you as THEIR property. 
If only JWs didn't just listen to their Leaders. If only they used their own Bible based conscience. 
If only JWs understood scripture. BUT NO. JWs are ruled over by the GB and the others top dogs. 
JWs won't even try to save the lives of their own children. I think that could amount to murder. 
The GB and it's MOB of rulers will have a lot of Blood to answer for when their judgement arrives. 
I refer again to Matthew 12 v 9 through 12. where Jesus said it was LAWFUL to do a FINE THING ON THE SABBATH. 
If you had a good Bible trained conscience you would understand what that means. 
How much more valuable is a man/woman/child than an animal ? 

Quote "as is with Witness and the others, whom as a collective, do not understand a thing. "
Someone else it seems that has a need to put people into one group. 
Quote "but never can it be an excuse to assume that because one person did something, everyone else is the same "
The Governing Body of CCJW say they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. So the 8 men act as one. They work together, they make the rules for CCJW, they are responsible for Watchtower material. They are not individuals, they are a 'body'.  Therefor they are jointly responsible. 
 

Quote "as is with Witness and the others, whom as a collective, do not understand a thing. "
Someone else it seems that has a need to put people into one group. 
Quote "but never can it be an excuse to assume that because one person did something, everyone else is the same "
The Governing Body of CCJW say they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. So the 8 men act as one. They work together, they make the rules for CCJW, they are responsible for Watchtower material. They are not individuals, they are a 'body'.  Therefor they are jointly responsible. 
 

@Arauna   dictator   noun   a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.   a person who behaves in an autocratic way. (in ancient Rome) a chief magistrate with absolute power, appointed in an emergency.   autocratic   adjective   relating to a ruler who has absolute power. "the constitutional reforms threatened his autocratic power" taking no account of other people's wishes or opinions; domineering. "a man with a reputation for an autocratic management style" I think this describes your Governing Body very well 
 

Hi JW Insider, you know people are different with different strong and weak sides. And some have special gifts that they are born with. Think about John the Baptist. He spoke very strongly and boldly and lived an abnormal life in the desert. And apostle Paul was not either a normal apostle. But he was gifted with special skills and exceptional drive for the good news. 
Persons that are able to make extraordinary things that impact the world around them extraordinarily are usually odd persons. 
Many inventors are also odd persons. Some have analyzed what they have in common and they have found that many of them actually have the Aspergers' syndrome.
Thanks to their extraordinary capabilities, they can figure out new things quite easily, and its sad when the majority has difficultis to recognize fast enough that they often come with valuable new findings. 
But I don't take credit for the more accurate knowledge I have gained. Because if Jehovah God would not had let me understand, I would not had understood, despite the fact that I am quite good at figuring out how things really work.
And I was appalled by the latest WT study edition so I prayed to Jehovah God to get an idea what could be done when the WT organization stubbornly refuses to correct themselves. And I got at once an idea, thanks to God, that I have to dubble down. And write them a whole list of their errors and do a cowork with God. Yes, according to the logic in God's word, a warning has to be given first, only after that can Jehovah force a change by some kind of punishment. 
So, JW insider, I can not see were my logic failed in this case, from a biblical point of view. 
I think I followed the examples of biblical persons such as John the Baptist and apostle Paul.

Mental illnesses are also called mental disorders. They are extremely common in the population. Australia and US 1 of 5 live with mental illness, globally 1 of 10. 
 https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/mental-illness    
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness.shtml
https://ourworldindata.org/mental-health
List of disorders is long. https://www.verywellmind.com/a-list-of-psychological-disorders-2794776  
There are nearly 300 mental disorders listed in the DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders). This is a handbook used by health professionals to help identify and diagnose mental illness. - https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/types-of-mental-illness
1) Does "free will", as gift from god or as our imagined concept, contribute to this problem, cause it? Always present problem of what we want and wish on one side and what we may, must and should on another.
2) Is Gospel sort of magnet for "disturbed and imbalanced" people, if we have in mind who, what sort of people Jesus called and expected to follow Him (people who are rejected from society, who "suffered" )?
3) Does, whether JW's who left WTJWorg are good material to be more imbalanced and have mental issues? Or Organization as complete/ finalized system created individuals who would/will be "lost" without Organization?   
......etc.
 

Hmm. I fell right into that one. But, of course, I agree that it very easily happens to anyone who tries to go into the "times and seasons" arena, where even angels fear to tread. If persons take themselves too seriously, they will want to be seen as a prophet, in spite of a string of past failures. It's an interesting phenomenon. And yes, I agree that even Barbour, Russell, Rutherford, Woodworth, FWFranz, etc continued to believe in "times and seasons" that were the result of a string of failures. No need to repeat it all here.
However, in favor of the Governing Body, I would say that they stopped trying to represent themselves as a "prophet." The last time I saw that phrase directly tied to the representatives of "the faithful and discreet slave" was back in 1971 and 1972, and this was undoubtedly part of FWFranz' promotion of his 1975 expectations.
I have seen much more careful language around dates and a complete lack of predictions among this particular group of men making up the Governing Body. Dates are rarely emphasized at all compared to the 1975 era.
I think it's a valid concern, for himself and those close to him. I don't think that anyone here has begun looking to the constellation Virgo and a few stray planets for the sign of the woman in Revelation 12, and I don't think anyone is seriously considering taking airplanes to Australia to ride out whatever plagues are left in God's quiver. But he is showing signs that should make all of us feel concern for him, and a desire to help him. This does not mean that the rest of us are all that mentally balanced ourselves. But I think we should all be sensitive to how certain phrases and ideas might reveal problems that might need to be dealt with.
This might even be the same reason that the GB brings it up. To try to make sure people are aware of mental issues and how they sometimes reveal themselves. And, I think we all know from experience that there really is a correlation between those who claim to be of the anointed (in some congregations) and those in need of mental health assistance. I cringe a bit myself when it is sometimes pointed out just before the Memorial celebration, but this is probably the best time to be reminded, just before your kids or your Bible students decide to go ask Sister Talks-To-Herself-During-Meetings how she knows she is of the anointed.
There are valid levels of concern about what constitutes "worship" but the Governing Body would likely consider anyone who wants to worship them to be either apostate or mentally ill. It would go against clear counsel by the Governing Body themselves. And the only ones who would obey without question are those who are exaggerating or misinterpreting the Bible's counsel to obey those taking the lead. The GB does not ask people to simply obey without question. Obedience is always in the context of knowing which reminders coming from the GB are repetitions of counsel found in the Bible. Another level of obedience is considered in the context of unknown circumstances ahead when it may be necessary to humbly follow instructions from elders or those in the lead. We won't always be able to understand, or we might even disagree, but we will humbly follow along so that we don't end up creating worse circumstances for everyone. If a coach thinks a certain move is best for a strategic football play, then even if you think you know a better play, you'd best work with the team, or else your own ideas will just ruin the play altogether. It's easy to exaggerate quotes about obedience and think they mean something they don't.

Another factor is (I'm also going to address the atheist here later; he never likes to address his claims), people make such assumptions because they are well rooted in the belief also that God is Omnipresent, which is false. With this idea in mind, they conjure up the notion of God being everywhere, so he should have been able to prevent this or that, but such people fail to see what transpired in the Genesis Act of Creation with an honest mind. This is why when questioned, it is good to know these things, so you can have an answer for it, granted not everyone has the answer to something, but there is no shame in making an effort.
That being said, the chart is silly. Such ones should actually read the Bible for once.
  
Or interpretations that seem to be lacking and or is driven more of an organism's way of thinking.

@b4ucuhear  The reason I thought the letter was a joke or joke like was because it included so many points. 
Some of the points were valid of course but I would think three points would be plenty if he wanted them to take it seriously. 
However, you seem to have joined forces with others on here that think that all people that mention the bad points of CCJW should join together as one. You also seem to have dropped yourself into the trap of calling many people opposers, though whom you refer to in that way i don't know, but you do seem to group them together. Quote :- 
Why don't all you opposers fight it out between yourselves first, and then present one winner - one Goliath - instead of all the moving targets you usually present. We shouldn't have to fight all your battles and do your thinking for you. That way we don't have to "hopscotch" from one personal/conflicting opinion to another like some crazed "jack-in-the-box." Sure, you may be united in your opposition to JW's, but at least get your stories straight. You guys don't even agree amongst yourselves. 
So some questions to you and others. Who do you class as opposers ? Why do you think those 'opposers' should be united as one ? Exactly who are they opposed to ? Do you really think they are all opposed for the same reason ? 
Might even make a good new topic.
@JW Insider  you first paragraph seems to fit the GB very well and I quote :-
you have also provided an "audit trail" of failed time-based interpretations and predictions. you continue to present yourself as an anointed person who actually wants to be seen as a modern day prophet. 
And Para 2 :  I do think you will be seen as one of hundreds of mentally disturbed and imbalanced persons who has associated with Jehovah's Witnesses. 
Now that fits the GB perfectly. I remember a certain person saying how 'dangerous and perverted' the GB appear to be. 
In truth though I think it is sad that you've brought this idea of being mentally unstable into the equation. I know this is a ploy of the GB to say that some people are mentally disturbed, but I think it is wrong to put such a label directly on someone.  
 Another quote from another JW on here : My old  Bethel friend told me long ago that about 10% of the letters received would appear to be from persons who are mentally ill.
A clever way of easily discarding letters that may have probably spoken truth. Just say the letter was from a mentally ill person, then bin it. 
The excuses from the CCJW Co increase. All people that do not worship the Governing Body and do not obey without question, must be either, Apostate, Opposer or / and Mentally ill. 
But what must be remembered is that we are all imperfect, so none of us are mentally well balanced. 

It is funny that JWs say that the CCJW in no part of the world. BUT, then when CSA is mentioned JWs say, yes but it's everywhere in the world.   

I only up vote or down vote an individual comment, not the person whom made the comment. 
If I can find sense and reasoning in a comment, even though i might not totally agree with the comment, i might up vote it. It does no harm, this is only a forum not the coming Judgement. 
I do feel sorry for Arauna though, with her OCD about OCD. It reminds me of when the GB said concerning Child Sexual Abuse accusations, that the accusations only came from Apostates. 
Maybe the whole CCJW / W/t have OCD about apostates and oposers  

I revel in downvotes - especially from OCD-trio.  I must be doing something right then. 

You made here excellently important point. Claims in WT publications said how Jesus and JHVH made examination and had chosen Them in 1919. WT members in those time, and members today have only such claims in publications at which they can put their trust.
If Jesus and JHVH were involved than holy spirit was also involved in this appointed of anointed in WT Society. By all what is visible in Bible records we can conclude how people who claiming their appointed was done by those 3 are in dangerous position if holy spirit was not involved and if it is involved in process of appointing then or any time later.
If holy spirit had nothing with their appointing than GB and all FDS inside WT Society speaking lies or if they are self deceived that makes them false teachers.
If holy spirit did had something with past appointing of people in 1919, that not automatically making all who came later (after 1919) in WT Society to be also "appointed" and "chosen" by holy spirit. Because, it is well known how looked past hierarchic and how looks today this hierarchy in management of Organization. 
We see how elders are appointed, if they fulfilling some obligated recommendations according to some Bible verses. In such cases humans are those who making observation and recommendation and put individual on position. Holy spirit is not involved in that process, but elders in particular area/congregation.
People who take symbols considers themselves as "anointed". Here we have another, different situation. People around this individuals are able to make conclusion about them primary on visible fact how they eat bread and drink red wine. But that also not making some individual to be really "anointed".     
Well, if GB siting on "Moses chair", because they participate in symbols, that not automatically makes them to be appointed by holy spirit, but can make them guilty before holy spirit.
My business is not to remove them from "chair", but to not believe in every spirit who speaking "amazing things". 

Well, JTR is right in his conclusion for a very long time :))

As individuals they are accountable not as a group. If one of them breaks Jehovahs laws they will appoint a committee. 

If they know that the organization teaches the truth, then how is it PIMOs are those responsible for the information leaked to the exJW community?  Much of this information hits exJWs before it reaches the congregations.  There is no motive to do this if they believe the organization is "the truth".  

There's a term called, PIMO (physically in, mentally out).  Their "will" is to leave the organization, but the leaders have instilled the pervasive fear that by acting upon the will to leave, it will bring an end to all relationships held with loved ones.  
I'm sure you know what I mean.  
Col 2:8 - "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ."
 
Rev 13:10 - "If anyone is destined for captivity,
into captivity he goes.
If anyone is to be killed with a sword,
with a sword he will be killed.
This demands the perseverance and faith of the saints."
Rev 13:15 - "He (false prophet) was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast (spirit-directed organization), so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."
Disfellowshipping is a spiritual death.  
"Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God's law through Christ forbid us kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God's law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof. Satan's influence through the disfellowshiped member of the family will be to cause the other member or members of the family who are in the truth to join the disfellowshiped member in his course or in his position toward God's organization. To do this would be disastrous, and so the faithful family member must recognize and conform to the disfellowship order. How would or could this be done while living under the same roof or in personal, physical contact daily with the disfellowshiped? In this way: By refusing to have religious relationship with the disfellowshiped." Watchtower 1952 Nov 15 p.703

True. By what authority does Kosonen think he can warn that the Corona is punishment from God on JWs?  It is absolutely absurd. 
There are no good or logical points to consider......apologies to Mr Rook. Sorry lads,  I think we will see more and more of this as the love of many will cool down (one of the signs of the last of the last days). 
There is still time to repent. 

If I could be bothered I'm sure I could find it, but there is no point. 
If I remember rightly TTH said 'No one can disfellowship them' referring to the Governing Body.
But no matter, you JWs are all alike  anyway. (And yes that is a reference to something TTH says)
 
 

4J:
You seem to get disoriented and confused very easily, about who said what. Your credibility is already shot , with me, irregardless of the credibility of any arguments you may proffer, because of that.

 
And MY point is there is no one on Earth that has the power to fire the Governing Body for any reason whatsoever ... and I am lamenting that fact ... NOT exulting in it.
That makes them unaccountable to anyone, and immune to consequences for ANYTHING they do, at least inside the WTB&TS.
The same thing was true in Jesus' time ... but Jesus himself commanded that Jews "stay with that system", until he himself replaced it.
The GB is supposed to show mercy to us, but can't, because of policy.
That does NOT mean we can't be understanding that they are deeply flawed men, trapped in a system they created, and have no idea how to change it.
"STUFF HAPPENS" (paraphrased)
Get used to it ... that's the way things REALLY are.
 
 

@Arauna  I really get the feeling you are frightened of my words. The hate seems to come from you not me. 
As I've said before though  I must be careful with my words, remembering that john Butler was disfellowshipped from this blog by the Elders here. 
Moses was not of the Anointed so his resurrection will be here on this Earth. The Governing Body say that they are Anointed, and have only recently admitted to not being inspired by God. If they are of the Anointed then i would presume their sins are sins against the Spirit which may not be forgivable. They are saying that they are the 'faithful and discreet slave', but they act more like the evil slave that beats their fellow slaves. They misuse scripture and make up rules to put pressure on the congregation. 
To quote you  That is why you can not be  a JW..... you have lost your humanity and mercy on other humans. 
But I say to you that your GB have lost their humanity and mercy, because they allow the Victims of Child Sexual Abuse to continue to suffer and they continue to hide paedophiles in the CCJW.  The GB continue to degrade the Anointed whilst giving praise to the Elders. They continue to tell congregants to do personal Bible study but condemn those same congregants if they find truth from the scriptures which proves the GB wrong. 
Concerning your GB :- 
Matthew 7 v 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 7 v 21 through 23  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22  Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’a 23  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
 

@Arauna  I really get the feeling you are frightened of my words. The hate seems to come from you not me. 
As I've said before though  I must be careful with my words, remembering that john Butler was disfellowshipped from this blog by the Elders here. 
Moses was not of the Anointed so his resurrection will be here on this Earth. The Governing Body say that they are Anointed, and have only recently admitted to not being inspired by God. If they are of the Anointed then i would presume their sins are sins against the Spirit which may not be forgivable. They are saying that they are the 'faithful and discreet slave', but they act more like the evil slave that beats their fellow slaves. They misuse scripture and make up rules to put pressure on the congregation. 
To quote you  That is why you can not be  a JW..... you have lost your humanity and mercy on other humans. 
But I say to you that your GB have lost their humanity and mercy, because they allow the Victims of Child Sexual Abuse to continue to suffer and they continue to hide paedophiles in the CCJW.  The GB continue to degrade the Anointed whilst giving praise to the Elders. They continue to tell congregants to do personal Bible study but condemn those same congregants if they find truth from the scriptures which proves the GB wrong. 
Concerning your GB :- 
Matthew 7 v 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 7 v 21 through 23  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22  Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’a 23  And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
 

Exactly- that is a dictator.
Absolute power - like the CCP in China or North Korea.
 
That is why I say you have no clue what it is like to live under such regimes because your personal choice is taken away from you.  Soon you will know what it means when you have no choices at all, what you eat, what you buy, what you drink, what you say,  and what you do is controlled by the state.