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Old Testament (Jew Law) promote few sorts of slavery, males (men) as owners of females (women) wars for land, superiority of one nation (ethnic and religious belonging, common among all nations until today). As any other nation old Jew nation have had good and bad things to show us.   
Their patriarchal system was customary for those time. Even Jesus, as i used Bible verse before, said - Jesus said: “Whoever divorces his wife...". Here is notable to see how man is in position to decide about divorce of his wife. Wife is not in position to divorce her husband. Law established this order. Wife is in possession of her husband, and not conversely.
Well yes, we have old and new philosophy. :)) Perhaps all people are equal before God. But women are not equal before/with men :)))

This is just one of few questions, and not rightly addressed to/for me, but for You too. Issue of "acceptance" and "beliefs" in/about religious matters, here, is in focus, of course. Individual inner sense, feeling about past events and records about such events is question or decision for individual to make. Something about issues we put in focus, is not reasonable to put as black and white format, and to say how not accepting your's beliefs is wrong. 
If i would say how i am fully accept Jesus and Gospel, that doesn't mean how in the same time i have to accept WTJWorg and GB doctrines, because of their claim how only they "have the truth" about Jesus and Gospel. :))   
..... and exactly that is the question you have to deal with. 

Regarding legal separation.... I have not looked into this matter yet but one can surely draw up a legal document wherein the parties are not linked to each other economically - especially in the case of a gambler?

I asked you guys first - and I pointed out that it is easy to judge. But I want to know if a person should immediately be put out of the congregation for porneia -  and if one should consider degrees of porneia......since every situation usually is different i.e. was it spontaneous sin or was it planned etc.; and should these ones immediately be put out of congregation for porneia or their priviledges taken away  and progress reviewed.......  If one considers that it is usually the spirtually weak who get into these type of situations and get up to all kinds of 'unclean'  antics which may even include some perversion we are not aware of. People go after their desires. 
(I take my hat off to those who have to deal with these kind of  things.... I am glad I do not have to....... As someone aptly said above - jehovah knows what is done in secret and the motivations.  We can only judge the facts as they come out afterwards. Sometimes there  is an instigator and a follower but both as guilty of uncleanliness and or porneia )
You know - it is easy to say what another person should have done in hindsight and it is easy to judge too harshly....or too leniently........ something you guys do quite too often and quickly here on this forum. 
I would have thought that a bunch of old men would have more clarity - having been foolish young men yourselves at one stage of your lives.
 

According to Jesus' words, we are being judged by the inclinations of our heart. 
I am happy that both God and Christ are merciful and that whomever is judging me knows more about me than i know about myself. 

I had a few thoughts.
Matthew 5 v 28 Berean Study Bible
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
I presume this was aimed at men, and I would presume this also would apply if a woman were to lust after a man that she was not married to. 
So I did wonder, when a person masturbates would they be thinking about a specific other person. Thus they would be lusting after that other person, thereby committing either fornication or adultery in their heart. 
And if they were thinking about a person of their same sex, maybe they would be committing homosexuality in their heart. 
But if we are honest, we all know that at the time of teenage years the body goes through physical and emotional changes. Whist masturbation may be regarded as wrong, I think both God and Christ understand and are more merciful and forgiving. 
 

According to Jesus' words, we are being judged by the inclinations of our heart. 
I am happy that both God and Christ are merciful and that whomever is judging me knows more about me than i know about myself. 

According to Jesus' words, we are being judged by the inclinations of our heart. 
I am happy that both God and Christ are merciful and that whomever is judging me knows more about me than i know about myself. 

According to Jesus' words, we are being judged by the inclinations of our heart. 
I am happy that both God and Christ are merciful and that whomever is judging me knows more about me than i know about myself. 

I had a few thoughts.
Matthew 5 v 28 Berean Study Bible
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
I presume this was aimed at men, and I would presume this also would apply if a woman were to lust after a man that she was not married to. 
So I did wonder, when a person masturbates would they be thinking about a specific other person. Thus they would be lusting after that other person, thereby committing either fornication or adultery in their heart. 
And if they were thinking about a person of their same sex, maybe they would be committing homosexuality in their heart. 
But if we are honest, we all know that at the time of teenage years the body goes through physical and emotional changes. Whist masturbation may be regarded as wrong, I think both God and Christ understand and are more merciful and forgiving. 
 

@Srecko Sostar  I like your words. They are deep and have meaning. 

Jesus said: “Whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication [porneia, gross sexual immorality], and marries another commits adultery.” (Matt. 19:9) - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1980570
One of problem here in verse is patriarchal look on world. Men are first and above women and above anything else. I don't know did Jesus really told this or not. If He is, i don't know why He said it this way and what sort of implications and complications would be if two married people make agreement and each go own way to form new family or new marriage with or without children. Because if two stay in problematic marriage there is also implications and complications.... for the rest of their life. 
Jesus entering completely new view on life and religion. I would expect from Him to understand all sort of problems and deviations and Bethel's PilowGate Instructions and examples in which human directives adding to world's injustice and tragedy ....inside "His" church. I guess, male people masturbated, was homosexuals and practice sodomy, in His time too, so how come to that, that He didn't mentioned nothing about such situations, that GB Helpers needed to add appendix and upgrade Master's teaching?
Jesus was aware, i guess, how women in His time was dependable on men's world, in many aspects including financial dependence. But, whether He would heal on Saturday or not? Would Jesus give advice and recommendation to sister in congregation how she should stay in marriage with sodomite husband or just separate and be alone and miserable for rest of her life?? Or would He encourage her to pray more and preach more and be regular on every meeting and all problem will gone?? Would Solomon say; bring me a sword and i will cut it into two peaces, a piece for each one of you? 

I agree. It was wrong. Stupid wrong, and "creepy" wrong. But it's still good to be accurate.

@James Thomas Rook Jr.  you continue to condemn the CCJW of which you are a part. 
quote "The specificity ... THE SPECIFICITY ... of those videos is absolute confirmation to me that there are serious, DANGEROUS things going on at Bethel, and with the Society's completely clueless and pharisaic leadership. "
But you still want to be part of it. And you use as an excuse this :-
the way I look at it, it is no different than being in the Marines, when the Officer Corps goes off the deep end ....
BUT the Marines ARE PART OF THIS WORLD so they have that excuse.
It is not good to pretend, either to yourself or others, that the CCJW is God's chosen organisation, then to compare it to a military part of the world.  
Do you really want to bring families with young children into that " serious, DANGEROUS.. organisation with it's " completely clueless and pharisaic leadership. "
My Bible trained conscience would not let me do so. 

@Arauna Like you say it just uses the word porneia 
Quote " and I would like to know what your punishment for it is.... and what porneia includes. "
For my part I wouldn't want to go beyond the things written, and I don't pretend to be inspired by God's Holy Spirit. So I cannot answer your two questions.
But it is your GB and their 'helpers' that have gone beyond the things written, because they admit to not being inspired by God, yet they still pretend to know the answers to your questions. And by their own mouths and written word they prove themselves to be so wrong. 
 

Here in the U.S. sons and daughters are doing the same thing. What has been really fun is kids who cannot have a birthday party, we have been doing party parades as a bunch of cars drive by the birthday child, it brings so much joy to the child's heart.

Scripturally, she could get out. Separation is always possible. But she was not free to remarry. So this often became a matter of not being able to get out of a marriage, economically.

Thought they might have dropped off a food parcel to them though. There's a scripture about telling other to keep warm and well fed, but not offering any provisions to help. 
Here in UK that drive through would not have been allowed as it would have been seen as unnecessary travel and the vehicles would have been turned back. But some of our children, who are not JWs, do go shopping for us and leave it on our front doorstep. 
One thing I've noticed is that people do not have to be 'Christians' to be helping others at this time. Reminds me of a scripture about 'those without Law, doing the things of the Law'. Showing love and giving help seems to be an 'inbuilt' thing to many. It's how God created us I suppose. 

Since I do not represent myself as a spokesman for God, it is immaterial what I 'would do, could do' should do" in regulating and PUNISHING people for what they do or do not do.
But I do know that it is creepy, perverted, overreaching, and DESTRUCTIVE on a very large scale for ANYONE to tell a Sister whose husband is having sex with men, or animals, that she is scripturally NOT free to divorce, and get OUT of that hell-hole,, or the same sort of overreaching IS STILL done today  in the infamous, creepy and perverted "pillowgate videos" ... a continuous 30 minute stream of complete nonsense regulating things about which Jehovah God has NOT EXPRESSED ANY OPINION ABOUT WHATSOEVER, only in the imaginations of the wrapped-too-tight delusional who are grasping at straws, and making up applications to scripture to suit their own cultural taboos.
If nothing else .. it is just plain, ordinary common sense, which the Society seems to have ZERO.
The specificity ... THE SPECIFICITY ... of those videos is absolute confirmation to me that there are serious, DANGEROUS things going on at Bethel, and with the Society's completely clueless and pharisaic leadership.
But, the way I look at it, it is no different than being in the Marines, when the Officer Corps goes off the deep end ..... in the Marines, and among Jehovah's Witnesses, we just have to endure the injustices ... as fidelity to God and Christ ... and we have a conscience that tells us what that entails ....
...and plain old everyday common sense, which apparently, is not all that common.
The Marines have the UCMJ, and we have the Bible.
Semper Fi.
 

Always excuses.
Truth is not a revolving door.  If an anointed remains "in Christ" that one's teachings would be be proven as firm, - reliable, over the years.  John 15:16
 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me."  John 15:1-4
If the fruit taught in the 60's, can be rejected today, then it was never sourced in Christ. If the fruit taught today is proven bogus, God expects us to reject it.  If we love our neighbor, we would not remain silent but speak up for righteousness.  We are told to examine the fruit and reject what is "bad".    Matt 7:15-20
Both Jesus and the apostles taught that there would most certainly be "divisions" in the congregations, based on teachings.  John 15:18-25  Interestingly, those who obey the words of Christ in John 15, and reject falsehoods, are "hated without reason" by their people.  
We embrace Christ's direction, not the wayward direction of uninspired men.   
 
"I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."  Rom 16:17-18
 
 
 

... i agree completely :)) ... my ideas are imperfect !

@James Thomas Rook Jr. quote " The question that needs to be asked is this ....  how can people be dumber than rocks? "
I would have thought that the question that needs to be asked is - ---  
How can anyone that has a bible trained conscience be part of this immoral, dishonest, and basically clueless CCJW Organisation ? 
As for Arauna, she seems to want to delve into sexual immorality. Whereas in scripture it just says this :-
Acts 15 v 28 & 29
 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.i If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
Unless Arauna can show us where in scripture it breaks it down into specific acts. 
A Bible based conscience will know right from wrong. 
I think the GB were just perverted in their thoughts and suggestions. 
However I think James has made it quite clear that the GB does take over people's consciences and people's thinking ability. The conscience is like a muscle in your body. If the muscle is not used it weakens and becomes useless. So it is with your conscience, if it is not used regularly it stops working. This seems to be what happens with Elders and may congregants. They follow the GB's 'rules of men', they become 'robots', they lose their conscience because they no longer need it, because they just follow rules without questioning them.  
Arauna made a point about having independent thoughts but basically keeping those thoughts to ones self. 
James mentioned somewhere about people not being BRAVE enough to question the GB's interpretations.
IMO, the idea of personal study through prayer is to gain truth and spiritual wisdom. Why then would a person want to suppress spiritual wisdom and truth gained through prayer and personal study ? Especially when wrong could be made right in an important way. 
 
 

@James Thomas Rook Jr. quote " The question that needs to be asked is this ....  how can people be dumber than rocks? "
I would have thought that the question that needs to be asked is - ---  
How can anyone that has a bible trained conscience be part of this immoral, dishonest, and basically clueless CCJW Organisation ? 
As for Arauna, she seems to want to delve into sexual immorality. Whereas in scripture it just says this :-
Acts 15 v 28 & 29
 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29  to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.i If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
Unless Arauna can show us where in scripture it breaks it down into specific acts. 
A Bible based conscience will know right from wrong. 
I think the GB were just perverted in their thoughts and suggestions. 
However I think James has made it quite clear that the GB does take over people's consciences and people's thinking ability. The conscience is like a muscle in your body. If the muscle is not used it weakens and becomes useless. So it is with your conscience, if it is not used regularly it stops working. This seems to be what happens with Elders and may congregants. They follow the GB's 'rules of men', they become 'robots', they lose their conscience because they no longer need it, because they just follow rules without questioning them.  
Arauna made a point about having independent thoughts but basically keeping those thoughts to ones self. 
James mentioned somewhere about people not being BRAVE enough to question the GB's interpretations.
IMO, the idea of personal study through prayer is to gain truth and spiritual wisdom. Why then would a person want to suppress spiritual wisdom and truth gained through prayer and personal study ? Especially when wrong could be made right in an important way. 
 
 

So give me a list of situations YOU  think is unacceptable sexual behaviours -  I want to see where YOU will draw the line?  I also want you to give me a list of the offences (such as masterbation) and the 'punishment" you think it deserves.
I would gladly welcome YOUR opinion..... because I want to check your tremendous  insight and wisdom. 
I have learnt in life it is easy to judge others when you do not have good ideas yourself. You may judge other people too harshly. ...or too leniently...... so give me a decent sample of your wisdom...... ( no cartoons or jokes required).

Humans, not only You, but every of us, many times contradicting to themselves.
If you want to be submissive to your leaders, than there is no place for "exploring new ideas", because you have to wait for new ideas coming from GB and Helpers.
What you teach is not your ideas, but GB ideas.
If you "chat" about "improper ideas" with others you are walking "around the edge", according to JW publications.
"Causing division" is something normal according to Jesus, because he told how His teaching will cause family members to be apart, to renounce and to hate, according to Matt 10 and Luke 14.