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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in Hello friends.   
    Yeah I'm breaking my new years resolution, but what the heck. I hope you all are healthy and corona free.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    I could do it, but it might take several months ... at $175.00 an hour.
    When the check clears the bank, I will start.
    In God I trust.
    ...all others pay cash.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Matthew9969 in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Maybe someone smarter than me could put together a power point presentation on how this topic evolved from a discussion about a ludicrus power point presentation on a attempt to disprove God, evolving to a discussion about the insane theory of the overlapping generations, to the validity of the governing bodies words, value and worth..
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    People should be defended wherever possible. The motives can be quite pure and still mistakes are made. In fact, I would say that there are specific good motives that make certain kinds of mistakes even more likely. I'm pretty sure that's why we have extra warnings in the Bible about not being misled when it comes to speculation about the end-time events. Paul said not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us. Obviously, the end-time events get us all excited, and these are the most likely times and events that persons would be speculating upon.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Thank you for 'shooting down' your GB and showing how unreasonable they are.
    I think it is out of fear of being disfellowshipped or worse, that JWs of any rank do not speak plainly about such rubbish, directly to the GB. But then it is probably not possible for a 'brave person' to even get close enough to tell them to their face. 
    Respect is one thing, worship is another. But it's probably more like fear. 
    You all think your organisation has God's name, but you all sit back and let the GB make a mockery of it. 
    And now you will of course jump to their defence. But time and time again you bring out all the Bible Students / CCJW lies / mistakes / false claims. And yet you think poeple should trust this GB and its Org. 
    As for TTH, well he's a writer and writers love fairy tales. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    Do You suggest how satan has more power over people than god plan to give him? Do You suggest how context of individual or organized faith in WTJWorg, as in example of Job or old Jew people in past time, is not sufficient to reveal devil's games and deceit? .... I can agree with with this, if you think the same. But, that would mean how devil is powerful enough to deceive whole WTJWorg in the same manner, as he done with many other individuals, groups and nations before.  
    So, JW elders are not what they have to be?
    Standard practice in secular law system? Because secular law system is not good enough as WTJWorg judicial system is? JW elders are guided by HS because of elder's prayer and bible principles, so why congregants would need "standard practice"?
    Secrecy? Secret knowledge? Knowledge that few can understand?
    When Judicial committee made decision about the "case" and announced it before congregation, do you say how they making second or third or fourth meeting and take time to discussing how their first decision is not so good ? 
    Idea and practice of posthumous reinstatement, you said is happening in JWorg, is out of mind. You can't reinstate dead body. But you can "punish" elders who done bad things. And public announcement about this, can bring some satisfaction to living family, relatives, friends and brothers who witnessed to injustice. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    I know this wasn't directed directly at me, but I am just as likely to ridicule the chart as several others around here. The reason is reason:
    (Philippians 4:5) 5 Let your reasonableness become known to all men.. . .
    (2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2) . . .However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.
    (James 1:22) . . .However, become doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning. . .
    (Romans 12:1) . . .Therefore, I appeal to you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason.
    (James 3:17) 17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, . . .
    This reminds me of the time when Rutherford began teaching about "Armageddon" in 1925 (and the start of the resurrection of the ancient worthies like Abraham and David). He said it was not just a possibility or probability, but the practical equivalent of a certainty. This teaching was Rutherford's most famous prophetic interpretation from the moment that he was supposed to have embodied the "faithful slave" and the "Governing Body" starting in 1919. The 1919 prophetic message "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" was a message about how people would stop dying in 1925.
    Should anyone have said anything to Rutherford about how unreasonable this idea was? Should anyone have said anything to anyone else who was teaching this? Rutherford was saying that his hearers and readers could be more certain of 1925 than Noah could have been certain about an imminent Flood. He said 1925 was more of a certainty than 1914 had been. (Which year had also been displayed in famous charts and chart-dependent presentations.) 
    I think you are implying that out of respect for Rutherford (and the "faithful slave" and the "Governing Body") that no one should have pointed out that this was unreasonable. Something similar might go for the idea that the Governing Body said that there should be no divorce allowed for a sister in the congregation when her husband was found to be committing adultery with another man. In the latter case, I'm pretty sure that the rule was changed only when enough people were bold enough to make fun of it. If no one had spoken up, we might still be stuck with this unreasonable teaching.
    You point out that it now seems reasonable that the end might come about based upon the travails that the world is going through at this time. That might seem reasonable to a lot of people. Yet, even if it happens to be correct that we are currently listening to the world's "death rattle," it still does not follow that an unreasonable chart had anything to do with it.
    If the end comes tonight and someone later discovers that a man in, say, Northern Queensland had been holding up a sign to that effect in a cow pasture, we could not reasonably connect the man's sign to the end-times event.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    @b4ucuhear  It was you that mentioned a group of Elders ganging up on an innocent one. 
    And it has been proven that elders have ganged up on victims of CSA. 
    And as I said Elders have to obey their superiors. 
    You mentioned Satan testing Job, so it must be Satan has got a good foot in the door of the CCJW. 
    You mentioned a man that " yet he faithfully continued on and never saw justice in his lifetime." But you said he was disfellowshipped.  Am I understanding that correctly. 
    Are you thus saying that a disfellowshipped person can continue to serve God properly ?
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    @b4ucuhear  Quote : Many/most brothers who serve as elders are loving shepherds who just want to do what is right. 
    Let's examine that statement. When a brother is appointed as an Elder he knows that he has to obey all rules and punishments dished out by the GB / Leaders of CCJW. 
    One example is Child Sexual Abuse. Doing what is right is reporting it to the Police or a child protection agency. But Elders were told not to report it. In fact Elders didn't even warn the congregations. Didn't name the paedophile. They just kept it all secret. That has been proven in so many cases that it cannot be argued.  (I actually think that is the subject of your comments )
    Elders are Policemen. That is the job the GB / Leaders gives them.  But even you seem to say that they police the wrong people.  In fact you bring us back to that scripture that mentions the Evil Slave beating his Fellow Slaves.  You seem to give proof that the Fellow Slaves / Anointed are being mistreated.
    Quote: I'm not writing this to provide more "ammo" to opposers 
    I do wish JWs would not be brainwashed by this idea of opposers. This idea of them against us.  Many JWs, some on here, make known faults in the CCJW.  If a person chooses to leave the CCJW because of the many faults within the Org, and if said person makes known those faults, they are not directly in opposition to the whole organisation. Otherwise half of the contributors being JWs on here are actually opposers. 
    But i do find it funny when some of you sit on the fence. What does it say in Revelation, something like, 'You are neither hot nor cold, so I will spit you out of my mouth'.  Each one of you will have a big decision to make soon. Unless the CCJW is completely cleansed before Armageddon. 
    If the Ark had been contaminated the animals would have got sick and died, and even Noah and his family may have died. But the Ark was constructed perfectly for its job and the humans were also found faultless by God. 
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to b4ucuhear in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    There is much, much more to be said in answer to this than you are making out. I don't usually buy into "they question how something was handled because they don't have all the facts" line - especially when in many cases it's the ones making the accusations on certain things that DO have all the facts. So I see that explanation sometimes as a dodge. But I will have to say that in this case, you apparently do not have all the facts - even if there are at times exceptions and legal considerations involved that provide an exception. But this has been hashed over many times before in numerous threads. Believe what you want.
    Good points. Most people think of the physical and emotional pain and suffering Job went through when Satan attacked him. But really, there was nothing that wasn't common to men - for instance in times of war. Millions of people have lost everything. Lost their families, status in the community, their possessions, their health... So yes, Job lost a lot and suffered a lot. But Satan was more interested in compromising Job's integrity - his everlasting prospects based on his relationship with God. How did he do that? By making the test very difficult to rationalize or understand within the context of his faith. He made it appear as "discipline from Jehovah." As if God was unfairly disciplining him for something he knew he was not guilty of. Discipline can rightly be viewed as coming from Jehovah when it based on the principles and clear direction expressed in God's Word. It's "discipline" from Satan when it is used to deliberately harm innocent people or hide wickedness. Satan hasn't changed his tactics and still uses them. "All things were written aforetime..."
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to TrueTomHarley in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    The more I think about it, the more I am surprised that you would continue to ridicule this, now that it was acquired powerful circumstantial evidence that it may turn out just this way. 
    A stretch? Not the most likely meaning of generation? Possibly. Still, the GB began saying ‘the last of the last days’ about 6 months ago, just before a virus and worldwide collapse that couldn’t fit better with such a description came along. Even if it seems from a distance not the most likely explanation, there is nothing illogical about it, nothing fictional, that you should continue to laugh your sides off. It is only your disrespect for those taking the lead that makes you do this. There is nothing about the explanation that rings false in itself, and now much that suggests it might be true.
    You should reassess your ridicule. It smacks too much of Dathan splitting his sides laughing at Moses’ chart of how the earth would open up.
    .....
    “Zena! Zena! Oh no! Poor Zena. Why didn’t she listen to Jehovah?”
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    I see what you mean, it's like a chart within a chart. I think it's just trying to separate the "2nd generation" generation from the "1st generation" generation, which includes the overlap with both generations ending at an unknown time after 1992 (with a question mark), but it's then trying to show that the 2nd generation, which did not overlap with the 1st goes all the way to the GT.  Does that make sense? 🤔
    In other words we have two classes of generation, an overlapping one and a non overlapping one 🤪
    Reminds me a bit of when we got bogged down with types and anti types. I thought we were over that....?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    We are, yes, but notice that the chart explicitly names "This Generation" from the quote in Matthew 24:34, and while we may have a specially defined "generation" that includes "This Generation," there is all that gap going up to the Great Tribulation that starts from just after 1992 up until the GT. That part is not part of "This Generation" (according to Splane's chart) even if it's part of our new definition of "generation."
    Perhaps this is a mistake, and the chartmaker just forgot to extend our meaning of generation going all the way up to the Great Tribulation. It's pretty obvious that "all these things" must include the Great Tribulation according to Matthew, Mark and Luke.
    [edited because it was even less clear before the edit]
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    The only thing I consider when reading "..this generation will not pass away until all these things occur" ... is what did the Apostles understand it meant when Jesus said it to them?
    All else is FANTASY!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    Yes, but don't forget we are now applying an untraditional concept for the word "generation", one based on (overlapping)  contemporaries of that generation. If you think about it, it was quite genial coming up with this "extension" 😄
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    @James Thomas Rook Jr., I know that I've already said more than my share about this chart. But there is one point that I have never seen discussed very clearly. It's the fact that it's another way of saying the following:
    This generation will by all means have passed away before all these things occur.
    That probably sounds bad, since Jesus said exactly the opposite. But look closely at the chart and note the actual earliest and latest bounds shown for:
    |<-- "This Generation" -->|
    On the chart, "This Generation" only reaches to the time when the last person anointed by the year 1914 has died. Notice that big gap before "The Great Tribulation." It does NOT continue to last into the period when a "group 2" anointed person remains alive after the persons from "group 1" have died. And the talks always imply that there are already no more living persons from "group 1."
    Therefore "This Generation" already finished in 1992 or perhaps a few years after that, although no specific examples were ever brought up as possible candidates, even if unnamed. The idea is given that there may have been possible candidates from group 1 that outlived FWF, but we can assume that these would not have outlived him for very many years. These appear to already be dead based on indications from the talk that Brother Splane was giving.
    Although some might try to stretch group 1, we should remember that a person is not considered "anointed" until they are baptized. A reasonable baptismal age seems to be from about 14 to 30, so we'll accept 14. For a person to be anointed by 1914, they should have been baptized, presumably as a "Bible Student" and therefore aware of the Watchtower's view of the sign in 1914. This means they were born by or before 1900, baptized by or before 1914, and would be at least 120 years old today if they were part of "This Generation."  
    Therefore "This Generation" has already passed away, and all these things did not occur. So, clearly, we are being asked to believe the very opposite of what Jesus said about the generation.
    Jesus: This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
    Splane: This generation will by all means have passed away before all these things occur.
    Whom do we choose to believe?
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Srecko Sostar in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    In Jesus time, OCD didn't "existed". In those times, secular medicine and even Jew medicine wasn't advanced as today, they have no clue about OCD. Perhaps they would say how such persons are mad or possessed by demons.
    Bible speaks nothing about OCD. Such terminology is not in Bible, so we can conclude OCD not existing :))) similar to some other words: blood transfusion, hell, cross, airplane, GB, organization ...etc. But word "follower" does. :))))
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to b4ucuhear in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    It would be unfair to paint with too wide a brush to basically say "everyone" is "always" this or that. Many/most brothers who serve as elders are loving shepherds who just want to do what is right. Who love Jehovah, love their families and love their brothers and sisters - regardless of whether you share their beliefs or not. But as has always been true, (whether in the times of the patriarchs, Israelites under Law and even the Christian congregation), there have been men who were "bad actors" who were anything but loving. Who grasped at positions of authority for totally the wrong reasons. Do we have men like that today? Although an "inconvenient truth," It shouldn't surprise us that yes, we do. In fact, doesn't the Jehovah clearly warn us against such ones in his word? Also, while recognizing my limited perspective geographically, I will grant you that from my "neck of the woods," there does in fact appear to be a concerted attack against anointed Christians from "wicked men and imposters" from within the organization. I personally know quite a few anointed Christians very well as close friends even serving with them and their greatest tests have come from within. I've seen it. Too often in fact to be a coincidence and not for doing bad, but exposing badness of other "shepherds." It's not that they were disliked - in fact most loved and respected them for the good lead they set spiritually - but I can only describe what I have personally seen as a murderous hatred. Well beyond what I would consider normal. Too clever, too orchestrated, too many outright lies and deception levelled against them to be coincidental. It seems more like a "machination" because of that. I'm not writing this to provide more "ammo" to opposers since as I had stated, I don't know if this goes any farther than my geographical area and it certainly does not characterize the vast majority of shepherds I know, nor does it necessarily describe the experience of anointed Christians elsewhere - but it's there. Yet, all of those are still serving with Jehovah's organization faithfully as pillars in the congregation despite Satan's evil efforts from men within. (Except for the anointed brother who died while disfellowshipped for years. He was posthumously reinstated when it was found that 3 "shepherds"/elders lyingly framed him in order to get him disfellowshipped. They in turn were disfellowshipped themselves when found out). There's a saying in my country: "Don't expect justice from Bethel." I would have to agree with that from what I have seen in my country. But I have also seen many good things. The bad shepherds you referred to in Jeremiah most certainly CAN at times describe men from within. But to my mind more appropriately describe those in Christendom as it's history shows. Of course, I can't mention sensitive stuff I know about to the average rank and file JW - it's too far beyond their scope of experience. But while I disagree with your broad application and decidedly negative only viewpoint, I also know things happen that shouldn't happen. 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    You're becoming a pro at using ad hominem attacks, Arauna    And again, you have it backwards.  It was the leaders in Jesus' day who attacked his teachings, when he exposed their lies.  I'm not the one lying here; David Splane your leader is.  This man, one of eight, also uses ad hominem attacks against anyone - anointed or not - who questions the GB's teachings and their assumed authority as above and beyond the authority Jesus Christ has over his sheep.  Mark 13:22
    On the contrary, I believe they are two disciples of Jesus Christ.  Would you call yourself a disciple of Christ, or of eight men whom you feel are innocent before God, no matter what they spew out of their mouth?  Matt 12:34
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Anna in Jehovah’s Witnesses: Members Must Reject COVID-19 Plasma Treatment… Or Else   
    Yes! And that is why I think the chart with the ham sandwich that JTR posted is not comparable with the chart showing fractions of blood. Because the ham sandwich is made up of ham, bread and the vegetables, so that is like the blood made up of red cells, white cells platelets and plasma. But each of those four components of blood are then fractioned into even smaller parts. So in the same way the ham, wheat/rye and tomato/lettuce should be broken down into smaller parts, like for example the ham into protein molecules, same for the other ingredients....and then it really would be unidentifiable as a ham sandwich, just like fractions of the 4 components of blood are no longer identifiable as blood.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    I don't pretend.  I am what I am....... and I repeat.... you are a slave to your own desires and viewpoints and always combative...... 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in DAVID SPLANE AND HIS CARING SHEPHERDS   
    There has been considerable criticism on the latest GB member’s second update about the pandemic. Some good observations have been made, but one thing I noticed was his deceptive use of scripture. Briefly, he gave assurance of the “love” and “prayers” that the GB has for all JWs enduring all issues of the pandemic. But, the bulk of his message was about the elder body’s concerted effort to learn new avenues providing online “spiritual food” for all. He stated that through his organization, “Jehovah provided the direction they needed”. (Isa 46:5-7; Rom 1:25; 1 Pet 1:18,19; Rev 13:4,8)
    I can’t see this as such an insurmountable problem that perhaps other organizations, religious or otherwise, were not able to deal with successfully during this time of the pandemic. For them, their collective ‘organization’ no doubt provided the direction they needed, without God’s help.
    These so-called “caring shepherds” are said to fulfill the prophesy in Jer 23:4. I’d like to compare his partial quote of that scripture with a few other translations.
     
    NWT – “I will raise up shepherds who will really(said with emphasis) shepherd them…None will be missing.”
    NIV – “I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the Lord.”
    NKJV – “I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,” says the Lord.”
     
    So, what’s going on in Jeremiah 23 that would cause fear among the flock, the significant issue that the governing leader deftly ignored? What necessitated the need for caring shepherds who would, under such grave conditions, be rescued by God? If this one scripture is prophesy being fulfilled today, then it is important to read the entire scripture, as well as know the circumstances leading up to the verse he partially quoted. 
    “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. 2 Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,” says the Lord.” Jer 23:1,2 
    At that time period, God’s people had been led astray, into idolatry. (Jer 23:13) As a flock they were not only ignored by evil shepherds, but “driven away”, as exiles.
    “Both prophet and priest are godless;
    even in my temple I find their wickedness,”
    declares the Lord. Jer 23:11 
    Jer. 7:30 gives us insight on this wickedness:
    Jer 7:30 - ‘The people of Judah have done evil in my eyes, declares the LORD. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it.”  (Jer 25:29)
    (see Ezek 8:3-16 ) 
    By reading more of the chapter, we find the adulterous prophets of Jerusalem ‘living a lie’. Their sins are so great, they are compared to Sodom and Gomorrah. (Jer 23:14; 2:8)  
    Yes, if we were to read this entire chapter, we can easily tie its spiritual significance to the organization, but much differently than what the GB member described.
    · There is an army of evil shepherds (Rev 9:4,7-11; Joel 1:6-7; Rev 13:5-7)
    · An adulterous Harlot/false prophet (Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11,12; 17:5,15)
    · And lies and idolatry found where God’s Temple “living stones” reside. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
    · (Rev 8:10,11; 13:13,14,15,18; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 9:20,21)  
    These pseudo shepherd/elders aid the Harlot - Wormwood, by promoting her poisoned teachings. (Rev 13:16,17) Falsehoods have been declared and upheld by the organization throughout its history. This act of profanity has resulted in the scattered, silenced and removal of God’s true shepherds/priests, profaning the Temple of God; although God’s holy people are just as guilty of committing wickedness. (Jer 23:14) (Ezek 44:23; Zeph 3:4; 2 Cor 6:14-16; Rev 2:14-16)  
    15 “Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts concerning the prophets:
    ‘Behold, I will feed them with wormwood,
    And make them drink the water of gall;
    For from the prophets of Jerusalem
    Profaneness has gone out into all the land.’ ” Jer 23:15 
    If God’s people were faithful to Christ’s truths, would he “make” them drink wormwood? He “sends” or allows it to happen, since Satan demands to sift God’s people under covenant, or challenge their faith and integrity to truth. (Luke 22:31:Rev 12:17)
    “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.” 1 Pet 5:8
    “devour” - to drink down, i.e. gulp entire (literally or figuratively):—devour, drown, swallow (up). 
    Just as Jesus proved his obedience to God under trial and suffering, so too must those who are to imitate Jesus, by walking in his footsteps on the path he took while on earth. (Matt 4:1; Heb 5:8,9; 4:1; Phil 2:8; John 17:19; Rom 8:16,17; 1 Pet 1:6; 4:13; 5:10; 1:7; Mal 3:1-3; Rev 3:19)  
    God tells the people,
    “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
    they fill you with false hopes.
    They speak visions from their own minds,
    not from the mouth of the Lord.
    17 They keep saying to those who despise me,
    ‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’
    And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
    they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’ Jer. 16,17 
    God will always protect those who call out to Him for knowledge and truth; but to any who choose to continue drinking in Wormwood’s profanity and lies, to them it will be granted. (Ps 20:1; Prov 4:6; John 17:15; 1 Cor 10:13; 2 Thess 3:3)  
    "I did not send these prophets,
    yet they have run with their message;
    I did not speak to them,
    yet they have prophesied.
    But if they had stood in my council,
    they would have proclaimed my words to my people
    and would have turned them from their evil ways
    and from their evil deeds." Jer 23:21,22
     So, can Jer 23:4 be fulfilled by the industrious activities of a counterfeit “Gentile” priesthood that has been given complete authority over God’s authentic priesthood, “Israel”? (Ezek 44:6-9; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) No; rather, it is just the opposite. The fulfillment results from the wicked environment outlined in the chapter, that necessitates the need for God’s true shepherds to submit to Christ’s refinement and stand up for truth.
     
    The "good news" in the time of the end, is that God will provide the repentant remnant redemption, by means of Christ's blood, and their own required sacrifice for the sake of truth, in imitation of their model, Christ.
    The circumstances of the Great Tribulation requires defiance/warfare against the religious slavery that held them captive, and caused them to fall asleep (1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10; Col 3:24; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Rev 11:5; Jer 23:29; Rev 17:14).
    The wicked steward is presently lording it over the anointed household of God (Mark 10:42-45),
    and wielding the power of Gentiles in order to beat his fellows,
    just as the Harlot / "false prophet", wields her power, through the Gentile Beast
    (Rev 17:6,8; 11:7; 13:11,15,14; 19:20).
    Pearl Doxsey, from “Questions from the Beast”
     
    The GB member ended his talk with two supposedly reassuring points; the organization will continue to be guided by God, and it will happen under the care of “loving shepherds”. He then quotes John 10:11, stating Christ is overseeing the work of these false shepherds. Is he? Would he be supportive of those who “trample” God’s appointed “living stones” of His Temple built on Christ’s Body? (Mal 2:7; John 21:16; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 4:11-13)
    (Ezek 8:6,9; Num 16:3-7,10,11,18,20,21,35,40; Num 18:7; Matt 24:15,16; Dan 8:24,25; 11:31,32; Mark 13:14)  
    The identity of the true shepherds of Jer 23:4, the faithful anointed of God, are described in the follow-up verse as a “Branch”:
    “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
    “That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
    A King shall reign and prosper,
    And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
    6 In His days Judah will be saved,
    And Israel will dwell safely;
    Now this is His name by which He will be called:
    YHWH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."
     
    Pearl described this Branch just recently:
    Isa.4:2 reads;
    "2 In that day the Branch of the Lord will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of the survivors in Israel."
    Regarding that "branch",
    Jesus said that he was the vine and his Father was the cultivator (John15:1).
    [“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser"]
    Jesus said that those who emerge from Jesus, are the branches (John15:4-5).
    [4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 ‘I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."]
    The "fruit" they bear, is the sayings/teachings/testimony, from their mouth (Luke6:44-45).
    ["44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thorn-bushes, or grapes from briers. 45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For *the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."*]
    We know that the heart is full of truth, when the Word of God has been planted in it and cultivated (Luke8:11,15)
    ["1 ‘This is the meaning of the parable: the seed is the word of God. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."]

    That "crop" is the "fruit"/true teachings, that we have been talking about.The branches are united in spirit with Jesus, just as Jesus is united in spirit with the Father (John17:20; 1Cor.6:17).
    [21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me."]
    ["17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit."]
    Such a branch bears lasting fruit that glorifies the Father (John15:8,16).
    ["8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples."]
    ["16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit – fruit that will last – and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you."]
     
    “I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the Lord.” Jer 23:3,4
     
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    “Earth Swallows Satan’s River”
    “Baptism Series – Lesson Two /Section 1 – The Wilderness”
    "Abomination Causing Desolation"
     

  23. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Aircrafts waiting for us all to flee to the wilderness   
    How does a bug react when it hits the windshield?
  24. Like
    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Witness in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    There you go again @Arauna mixing up Yahweh with the GB / CCJW. 
    And once again, when you have pretended to be a pleasant person, you go making accusation of me. 
    And you pretend to have a Christian based conscience and attitude. Do you not see how you follow your GB in your pretending to know things that you do not know, and making things up as you go along.. 
    It is because I am a slave of God through Christ that i am no longer attending the CCJW meetings. It is because I have a Bible trained conscience that I cannot allow myself to be part of the immoral and dishonest organisations, both the Watchtower and the CCJW.  
    Some prefer to sit on the fence but i could not do that. I know of people that would love to leave the CCJW, but they could not bear to be parted from friends and family. Some older people have nothing else but the congregation and would be totally alone without it. 
    As for my personality, I got on well with the other congregants, we did ministry together regularly, we had social gatherings, it was the Elders that lord it over the congregation that were a problem, but a problem to themselves not to me. I've always known that i answer to God through Christ, not to the Elders of the CCJW. 
     
  25. Haha
    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Memorial 2020 during covid-19 lockdown   
    Those who are not slaves of jehovah are slaves to their own desires and viewpoints.  It explains a lot..... you think you are independent but in actual fact a slave to yourself.  You did not get along with other JWs, not because of doctrine but because of personality traits..... a combative attitude.
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