Patiently waiting for Truth

Oh….this is so tempting to me who has started up many aliases, second only to Dimitar……sooooooo tempting.
”You have not spoken correctly of me as has my servant TrueTom! You dodo.”

Yes, I know, Pudg, but it appears that’s the way it is and always has been, even in the first century, and you should try to get your head around it. Pray to God for intervention and he says, “I’ve got people who handle that stuff.” Point out to him that some of those people are pieces of work, and he says, ‘Well—you’re no cream puff yourself. Do you have any idea how much you try me? You’ll just have to work it out.”
I say ‘always has been’ because the Bible does not celebrate the ‘free speech’ that is axiomatic in the West. Sometimes it celebrates shutting people up. Certain ones have to be muzzled because they are stumbling entire households. The tongue is even more damaging than actions since ‘see—how little a member can set the whole forest ablaze.’ Few actions you could do will have that effect. Even if you chased after the lithe and tantalizing young prostitutes of Thailand like Lloyd it would not have that effect.
So you do well to practice self-control, and chalk certain things up to discipline, even if they weren’t meant that way. Sort of like the kid Mark Twain wrote about who complained to his dad about getting punished for something he didn’t do. Well, the old man replied, in that case its for something you did do for which you should have got punished but didn’t.
Strictly speaking, the statement is not even true, though it certainly is true by Western standards where people argue their grievance to the nth degree and don’t give up until the other side is bludgeoned submission, and since that doesn’t happen, they don’t give up. You get to blow off steam but little more is accomplished. Come come. We must not be like the obstinate politician who just prior to hanging is asked if he has any last words. “Yes! This is unacceptable!” he cries, as the trap door swings open and the rope snaps taut.
I suspect there’s a small local consortium of those who know you personally who hold you in high regard as they should—upholder of justice, defender of the widow, the downtrodden, and so forth. But online it takes some time to realize you’re not a spiritual terrorist. You might be better striving to be one of those ‘watchtower brothers’ you once said your life would have turned out better had you been one of them. Strive to be ‘one of the boys’ and from that position influence them to be better. You piss away your talents making common cause with ones who are resolutely opposed to the 15% you cherish. I mean, the day one of these characters likes a post of mine, I will take it as time to do a swan dive off the Golden Gate Bridge.
 

As you may or may not be aware TTH, in the Truth there is no means to address grievances. And until the last 8 years the Governing Body has acted as if it was infallible, inspired of God, and more.
This is no longer the 1950’s.
Even a dog does not like to be beaten, even by the persons that fed him.
 

Come, come, don’t gloat over an absentminded typo. You are not PSomH. She has many times said her eyesight is terrible.
If I had been saved from massive bloodguilt and my entire life been markedly improved, I would not continually find cause to bite the hand that fed me.

I despise noisy anti-JW complainers. It's the same w/the evangelical rabid-atheists. Both of these groups are intolerant of diversity of viewpoint and want that these be silenced or converted.
 

With regards to the above - I find ex-witnesses love to gloat over any form of negative news or findings regarding JWs.
They are losing sight of this:  Authorities are letting violent criminals out of jail at present because they are not supposed to be 'confined' ; or..... they are from one of the minority groups which cannot ever be deemed criminal or racist but are criminal due to their social conditions or the past racism towards them or... some other made-up philosophy .  All kinds of wickedness is now tolerated as long as the perpetrators profess the new transgender values and the new warped sexual values as acceptable; justice is no longer justice but targeted to achieve the new goals.
In this kind of environment "everything" (meaning every deviation) is acceptable to the majority...except a clean condition before Jehovah.  Do you not think this is by Satan's design in the system he is running?  Do you not think this will become worse and JWs will eventually be persecuted as prophesied?
Yes- JWs are very flawed as people but very few of us have criminal inclinations........... So ask yourself the question.
Whose side are you on?  The good and bad values of Jehovah or your own. Take into consideration that this was the original sin:  Adam rejected the "good and bad" of Jehovah and chose his own values.  In this system you will eventually be forced to except the values of the system.  There are just two sides:  Human government and its values or Jehovah and his values.

Prove the 15 percent and show the other 95% that you deem unfit to contemplate.

You dodo! Bolded, all-caps, and in red!?
He may find this not the cakewalk he imagines. The ECHR has repeated found that the tension between JWs and vocal ex-members comes from the latter group, who refuse to accept the views of their believing relatives. That court has a sound track record of righting the wrongs of lower faddish and/or populist courts.
In a separate recent ruling from the ECHR toward Belgium, the Court ruled that country out of line in discriminating against JWs. Moreover, it did so in “a surprisingly quick decision compared to its usual standards.” One can almost picture the justices saying, “Oh. Belgium, is it? They may not know law but they know what they like.”
Why do you not spot the obvious misrepresentation?
All one must do to cut through his hyperbole is read published Watchtower counsel that humanitarian concerns do not terminate with disfellowshipping. One need not run from a DFed one “like the plague.”
This will be because the man has become a fanatical crazy who will not leave his wife in peace but works 24/7 to undermine her belief system so that she tunes him out to preserve her sanity. It has to be something like this because, again, Watchtower published counsel is that normal marital relations continue in the aftermath of a disfellowshipping, minus only the spiritual component.
No, they will not have an easy go before the ECHR. Probably the case will be reversed by a higher court before it ever gets there. It is possible the case was poorly defended. More likely, though, the local court already had its mind made up with regard to ‘anti-cult matters,” like the Russian Supreme Court of 2017, and were ready to slap down a guilty verdict on any pretext. 
From BitterWinter: The general principle that “ostracism” per se is not justiciable, and teaching “ostracism” is not forbidden has been affirmed by a large number of precedents, including at the European Court of Human Rights and in cases in the United States, the United Kingdom, Italy, and Germany. It was confirmed last year by the Court of Rome.
https://bitterwinter.org/disfellowshipping-ostracism-jehovahs-witnesses/
Well, he’s not stupid. And he sees what your newfound belief system has done for you. It is you who puts the dog into dogmatic, not he.

Pudgy is merely an affectionate literary device, like “BLACK BEAUTY”, the novel, being told from the perspective of the horse.
As have stated before, over an over and over here, for perhaps nine years, that I consider Jehovah’s Witnesses right only 15% of the time …… but WHICH 15% make all the difference.
For perhaps nine years I have constantly challenged all comers to show me something better, and ALL HAVE FAILED TO DO SO.
Humans, all humans, are “just ugly bags of mostly water” And are prone to all manner of failures and faults, and so are you and I .
If it wasn’t for Jehovah’s Witnesses my entire life would have been much worse, and I may have killed innocent people in Vietnam, the Congo, the Middle East, or Peru.
I have no fear of death, because I never expected to live past my 40’s, so “theocratic” Boogyman threats, and even directed gunfire I find silly, not scary.
It is YOU, PwfT, that are half afraid JWS MAY BE RIGHT, not me.
That is why you continue to hang out here.
My estimation is that they are right 15% of the time …… in a world where all the others are so much worse.
When a person is afraid of dying, there begins the search for comforting lies.

Please point out the false assumptions so I can possibly re-word my question. I will stand on the the Black Mass memorial, as there is evidence of the jw way of doing this is developed from pagan/satanic history. ..But all that aside.......is a disfellowshipped person allowed to even touch the plate and glass that is passed around the congregation? That is my question. Please stick to the question I asked and try to deflect the conversation.....dogs are so easily distracted.

Your question is a based on TWO blatantly false assumptions and is a thinly disguised insult that legitimately deserves no response other than strong condemnation of the thought processes that spawned it.

James oh James, you just cannot decide which side of that fence to be on can you ? 
You know they are wrong but you are still frightend they just might be right  ....  
Well maybe they are half right, but oh dear, that means they are half wrong tooooooooooooooo  
It must be difficult for a man that is pretending to be a dog, to have to make genuine decisions. 

When I posted this article, it was not directed at anyone. I posted it because it was JW news that was not available on the JW.org website, no more.
Topic was not considered, by me.
If Elon Musk was a “closet” JW, that too, would have been news, probably not on the JW. org website.
 

AND I NOTICED AS SOON AS YOU MENTIONED THIS, THE WHOLE TOPIC WENT POLITICAL, JUST TO DISTRACT FROM THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION YOU UPLOADED. 
Shunning is of couse discrimination, and also misuse of scripture which was instruction given to the Anointed not to the earthly class. 
But if you need to use scripture in order to show love to people, try this. 
Matthew 5 : 43 - 45. Yeshua said 
"You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’  (This is the JW way) 
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" 
But the GB / Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org, want you to hate everyone outside of THEIR Org. 
JWs are told not to have friends outside of the Org, not to trust anyone outside of the Org, and not to even look at or speak to Ex JWs. And many many JWs are too frightened to disobey.
 

Mr Rando, you seem to take great pleasure in the wet dream of your own, that you will see people suffer as they die.
There is no mention above of the destruction of Babylon the Great, the removal of wicked governments or other in 'power' and no mention of the removal of the devil and his demons. 
You just seem to thrive on the idea of NON JWs suffering and dying. 
That idea is so very old school JW / Watchtower. It comes back to that old idea that only baptised JWs will be 'saved'. 
I really don't see anyone beating themselves with grief just because JWs have been conned into believing that old 1914 propaganda. 
After all any one with common Bible knowledge KNOWS that Yeshua had ALL AUTHORITY in Heaven and on Earth from 33 C. E. ... Unless you intend to call Yeshua a liar Mr Rando. 
But do you really think that Yeshua / Jesus wants to watch all the wicked die, OR, is it just YOU that wants to watch people die ?  
I would have thought that Yeshua would just simply remove all the wicked ones, or at least kill them all at one time. 
I suppose in your wet dream that you have, you can see angels protecting the JWs whilst the wicked are still here on Earth. After all if JWs are going to be getting younger and watching the NON JWs die, what stops the NON JWs attacking the JWs ? 
But I'm sure you have it all worked out in your dreams Rambo.
And @Thinking upvotes that wonderful idea of yours about watching people suffer and die. 
There is more wicked thinking inside the JW Org than by Ex JWs it seems. 
 

Here in the United States 13% the population commits 60% of the violent crimes. It is considered racist to identify their race, so people just refer to them as “the 13%”.

All Pudgys. (ask a dumb question, get a dumb answer).  We're talking about the EU and it's jihadist-loving members who have ruined europe.

They love jihadists.

Belgians are the worst sort of French.

AND SPEAKING OF CURRENCY BY THE POUND….. NEWS FROM BELGIUM (. … who are famous for their breakfast Waffles!)
 

I suspect it is a common problem ….

Maybe you should have thought of that a few years back James 

The birth pains in the last days - perousia -  which culminates in Jesús coming to do the judgement (first separating sheep and goats)   is NOT the same event as the birth pains bringing forth a heavenly child - the Son of god at the beginning of his Kingdom rule.  The heavenly woman is involved in this birth.
The birth pains of the last days (a symbol of the turmoil and pain in the last days) culminates in the day of Jehovah and there is no woman involved....it is merely an illustration of the painful conditions.

Jesus is ruling in heaven  amidst his enemies on earth but not yet ruling over the entire earth!  He will only rule over the entire earth AFTER Armageddon.  He has been ruling since 1919 over the spiritual paradise or the "land " But this is not earth wide.  It is the secret place that psalm 91 talks of that belongs to those who offer him pure worship.  So only those who are servants of Jehovah and are in this secret place serving him are in the " land".

It’s only birth pangs for the earth…as in woe to the earth as he knows he has but a short time….it’s symbolic talk?Hes going to let mankind go to the point of extinction…as in no flesh left then he will roar as a might Lion King…there is no baby  being born??????? At this point…you are deliberately talking stupid.
your question doesn’t make sense to me?.